---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/06/05: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:45 AM - GPS / Compass & Jamming or Interference (sort of) (Rick R) 2. 04:27 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta) 3. 06:11 AM - Re: antenna question (Gig Giacona) 4. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 (Larry McFarland) 5. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (Robin Bellach) 6. 07:48 AM - Re: Trim indicator (Chuck Deiterich) 7. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (japhillipsga@AOL.COM) 8. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (japhillipsga@aol.com) 9. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (Bill Denton) 10. 09:02 AM - ch640 frappr list (Robert St.Denis) 11. 01:20 PM - Nav light mounting (Don Mountain) 12. 02:38 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (Larry McFarland) 13. 03:05 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (bill naumuk) 14. 03:43 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (Gary Gower) 15. 04:25 PM - Facet pump - need one? (Robin Bellach) 16. 04:43 PM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 17. 05:51 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 18. 06:10 PM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Robin Bellach) 19. 06:28 PM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Robin Bellach) 20. 06:43 PM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Jeff Davidson) 21. 06:55 PM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Jeff Davidson) 22. 06:59 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (Don Mountain) 23. 07:39 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (Bryan Martin) 24. 07:42 PM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Robin Bellach) 25. 08:11 PM - 2005 List of Contributors (Update)... (Matt Dralle) 26. 08:33 PM - SLSA Comparison Chart (Jim Pellien) 27. 08:48 PM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Craig Payne) 28. 09:43 PM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Paul Mulwitz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:10 AM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Zenith-List: GPS / Compass & Jamming or Interference (sort of) --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R GPS signals are used for a lot of other uses than that of navigation. I'm in the Telcom industry and we use GPS as a timing source for our optical transport equipment. That way all the little bits line up across the country without any, (much) delay. We can revert to line timing should we loose a receiver, etc... DO NOT ARCHIVE Rick Orlando, FL. USA http://www.n701rr.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC From: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta" I have built the CH640, and the plans include detailed wiring diagrams based on the Alarus. The battery is grounded to the airframe right next to the battery. I believe this type of design is a common and acceptable practice in metal planes. It follows CH's design philosophy, keep things simple and don't add complexity or weight when not required. The most common failures in an aircraft electrical wiring system are failed terminals and chaffed wiring. The airframe won't chaffe and hopefully the continuity between the rear fuselage and the firewall will never be interupted. I have no detectable radio noise, and I think with the high cross sectional area of the airframe, the concerns about corrosion due to the current flow are negligible. It won't hurt anything other than W+B to run a ground wire all the way forward, but I don't think it is a requirement by any means. Steve Adams N621J Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:01 AM PST US From: "Gig Giacona" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: antenna question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" John, I don't have a handheld but have played with a couple in other peoples aircraft and never got the NAV function to work that well. None of the ones I messed with were connected to an external antenna. So either they need it or they just don't work. > Time: 10:25:37 AM PST US > From: john butterfield > Subject: Zenith-List: antenna question > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield > > > hi list > i am starting to finish up my aviornics plan and have > a question on antenna's > i need comm and transponder antenna's. i won't be > using a panel mounted vor receiver, but the handheld > function of my comm/nav backup radio. is it > worthwhile to have a vor antenna to connect to the > handheld? > also, the price for the comm and transponder seems to > be very wide spread. are the simple (cheaper) models > ok, or is it worth paying extra for what appear to be > only cosmeticly better models? > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:13 AM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Bill, A good point, but this can be overcome by making the ground point attachable to a thicker material part like the aluminum tray supporting the battery and its multi-riveted contact with the supporting fuselage members. This allows the current to spread over a larger contact area. This is how I provided ground from the battery even though all lights and external connections were ground returned back to a common ground tabs block on the firewall. Larry McFarland William Jeffries wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries > >Craig, > There is only one major issue I have with that idea. If you use the fuselage as a ground plane, at some point you have to connect the negative terminal of the battery to the fuse as well. Here in lies the problem, the amperage draw on a starter can be upwards of 100 amps in rush and easily 20-30 amp continous. Now marry this with the fact that you have 1 sq. inch or less of terminal area attached from the negative lead to the fuselage. Thats a lot of juice on thin aluminum. > > Bond the motor to the fuse and negative lead, run a negative lead to the battery. Piper does it this way for this very reason. Let's be safe. > > Bill Jeffries, A&P > >Craig Payne wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > >Ignoring the magnetic fields that I was worrying about too much I think you >are fine. Someone commented that aluminum alloys are not as conductive as >pure aluminum which, in turn, is not as conductive as copper. But there is a >whole lot of aluminum alloy between your battery and the engine. Imagine >taking a cross-section of your fuselage and winding it into a solid >cylinder. I think that cylinder would be much bigger than any aluminum or >copper wire you could run. Just make sure you have a central grounding point >through the firewall and a good solid and flexible grounding strap running >from the engine block to that point. Like the Braided Bonding Strap and >Firewall Ground Kit shown on this web page: > >http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?26X358218 > >I'm probably wrong and either way someone will chime in to correct me. > >P.S. the Moroso Thru-Panel Battery Connector mentioned in a previous message >has a Summit Racing part number of MOR-74145. This link should lead to the >description: > >http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74145&N >=115&autoview=sku > >Clearly since it is insulated you would use this pass-through for the >positive lead from the battery. > >Moroso recommends you use these mean-looking lugs with their pass-through >(Summit P/N MOR-74170): > >http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74170&N >=115&autoview=sku > >-- Craig > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of victor verdev >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 >LYC > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev > >Craig, I also ran battery cable on right side of fueslage. I'm using #2 >welding cable as advised by Sky Tec starter people. >I had assumed I could use planes aluminum as ground so I only ran one + >wire. > >--- Craig Spainhower wrote: > > > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Spainhower >> >> >>Victor, >>I'm waiting to get my fuse back from painting, then I'll be >>mounting the engine and completing the wiring as well. Someone >>previously suggested a firewall bulkhead feedthrough >>(http://store.summitracing.com/)for power, I think that's the way to >>go. I'll be running four gauge battery cables + & - along the right >>upper longeron to the firewall. Then through the firewall with a >>bulkhead feedthru for power (to the starter/solenoid)and using a >>non-insulated bolt for the ground feedthru (with a length of cable to >>the engine). I will run cable on the passenger side of the feedthru to >>the power buss. I will probably mount a ground buss at the ground bolt >>for the panel. Grounding anywhere on an aluminum plane isn't a >>problem, except that the potential for corrosion exists due to >>electrolysis. All exterior lighting and fuel pumps will be grounded to >>the frame. I will send some photo's when I get the cables run. How did >>you route your battery cable(s)? >> >>Craig S. >>N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235 airframe complete, wiring/FWF this winter >> >> >>I've started wiring, so far have battery cable run to rear fuselage >>area. Using Sky Tec starter with built in solenoid. >>Where is best place to feed Panel, since Sky Tec shows cable from >>battery going directly to starter? Any advice on how to wire using >>0235 Lyc. would be appreciated. >> >> >> >>Click on >>about >>provided >>www.buildersbooks.com, >>Admin. >>_-> >>browse >>Subscriptions page, >>FAQ, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >Just $16.99/mo. or less. >dsl.yahoo.com > > > >--------------------------------- > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:20 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Bill, I'm planning a similar installation. Am I correct in assuming that when you ran the ground to bus that you also isolated jack from airframe and eliminated the old ground? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > > Craig, everything has been said about grounds or there a'bouts. Only thing I > can add it that the airframe may not be the correct ground for your comms. I > have a separate intercom with the jacks located just behind the lip of the > baggage compartment. Great place for them by the way, assessable in flight (just > barely) and cables out of the way of arms and controls. Only problem was the > system just would not function correctly. Had transceiver, intercom, wires and > headsets tested, all good. Even the jacks in center plug grounds tested good, > but it would not work. Then a smart fellow had me run a separate ground wire > from my ground bus bar to the jacks and BINGO the damned thing worked perfectly > correct. So there are grounds and there are grounds. Best of Luck, Bill > N505WP > 601XL-3300w/DC > 44 hours > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:50 AM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trim indicator --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" Thanks for the detail circuit description and wire connections. Chuck D. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Richards" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trim indicator > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards" > > Hi Chuck The red black wires to the LED indicator are the 12 V supply and a > potentiometer in the servo is connected across the orange blue wires with > the wiper connected to the green wire. > hope this helps but suspect part of LED array has failed > Clive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Deiterich" > To: "zenith-list" > Subject: Zenith-List: Trim indicator > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" > > > > I have a MAC electric trim (from ZAC). The LED indicator used to work OK, > now as you change the trim some of the LED's don't come on, they are blank > and then the next one will come on. The ones that don't work are always the > same, about 4 out of 10. It looks like there are 3 signal wires and 2 power > wires to the indicator. Does anyone know how the signals work, are they a > voltage level or what? > > Thanks, > > C. Deiterich > > > > > > -- > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:42 AM PST US From: japhillipsga@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com Craig, it was neither paint or corrosion. The symptoms are what really threw everybody. The pilot side could hear and talk VOX and transmit with the PTT on the left stick. The right side could hear radio trans but not send on VOX and though the right PTT would show transmit on the digital face nothing would come out. Lastly, the VOX between the two would not activate. Weird, huh ? One little ground wire corrected the problem. Best to you, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Craig Payne Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" All true. I've seen many recommendations that the speaker and mic jacks be mounted on insulated fiber washers and not use the frame ground at all. That's what came with my intercom (PS Engineering PM3000) and that's how I'm installing them. Did you have no sound to the earphones and no sound from the mic or did you have both but with noise? I can understand if you had noise but it is odd if nothing got through. Could it be the anti-corrosion paint or the anodizing? -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Craig, everything has been said about grounds or there a'bouts. Only thing I can add it that the airframe may not be the correct ground for your comms. I have a separate intercom with the jacks located just behind the lip of the baggage compartment. Great place for them by the way, assessable in flight (just barely) and cables out of the way of arms and controls. Only problem was the system just would not function correctly. Had transceiver, intercom, wires and headsets tested, all good. Even the jacks in center plug grounds tested good, but it would not work. Then a smart fellow had me run a separate ground wire from my ground bus bar to the jacks and BINGO the damned thing worked perfectly correct. So there are grounds and there are grounds. Best of Luck, Bill N505WP 601XL-3300w/DC 44 hours ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:04 AM PST US From: japhillipsga@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com Robin, not really. I used the rubber washer on the bottom and the fabric washer on top, but I made no effort to insolate the shaft. they may or may not be touching the airframe ???? Best to you, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Bill, I'm planning a similar installation. Am I correct in assuming that when you ran the ground to bus that you also isolated jack from airframe and eliminated the old ground? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > > Craig, everything has been said about grounds or there a'bouts. Only thing I > can add it that the airframe may not be the correct ground for your comms. I > have a separate intercom with the jacks located just behind the lip of the > baggage compartment. Great place for them by the way, assessable in flight (just > barely) and cables out of the way of arms and controls. Only problem was the > system just would not function correctly. Had transceiver, intercom, wires and > headsets tested, all good. Even the jacks in center plug grounds tested good, > but it would not work. Then a smart fellow had me run a separate ground wire > from my ground bus bar to the jacks and BINGO the damned thing worked perfectly > correct. So there are grounds and there are grounds. Best of Luck, Bill > N505WP > 601XL-3300w/DC > 44 hours > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:45 AM PST US From: "Bill Denton" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" Is it at all possible that the cure came not from the ground wire, but from simply messing with and wiggling things? -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of japhillipsga@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com Craig, it was neither paint or corrosion. The symptoms are what really threw everybody. The pilot side could hear and talk VOX and transmit with the PTT on the left stick. The right side could hear radio trans but not send on VOX and though the right PTT would show transmit on the digital face nothing would come out. Lastly, the VOX between the two would not activate. Weird, huh ? One little ground wire corrected the problem. Best to you, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Craig Payne Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" All true. I've seen many recommendations that the speaker and mic jacks be mounted on insulated fiber washers and not use the frame ground at all. That's what came with my intercom (PS Engineering PM3000) and that's how I'm installing them. Did you have no sound to the earphones and no sound from the mic or did you have both but with noise? I can understand if you had noise but it is odd if nothing got through. Could it be the anti-corrosion paint or the anodizing? -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Craig, everything has been said about grounds or there a'bouts. Only thing I can add it that the airframe may not be the correct ground for your comms. I have a separate intercom with the jacks located just behind the lip of the baggage compartment. Great place for them by the way, assessable in flight (just barely) and cables out of the way of arms and controls. Only problem was the system just would not function correctly. Had transceiver, intercom, wires and headsets tested, all good. Even the jacks in center plug grounds tested good, but it would not work. Then a smart fellow had me run a separate ground wire from my ground bus bar to the jacks and BINGO the damned thing worked perfectly correct. So there are grounds and there are grounds. Best of Luck, Bill N505WP 601XL-3300w/DC 44 hours ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:42 AM PST US From: "Robert St.Denis" Subject: Zenith-List: ch640 frappr list identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Since there wasn't one, I figured I'd make one http://www.frappr.com/zenithch640 [...] Content analysis details: (-4.4 points, 5.0 required) -1.8 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert St.Denis" Since there wasn't one, I figured I'd make one http://www.frappr.com/zenithch640 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:45 PM PST US From: Don Mountain Subject: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain I am in the process of mounting the wingtip NAV lights on my 601 XL, in the fiberglass tips. There are no instructions about what goes through the three mounting holes. There are no screws provided in the kit, so I assume they are A5 rivets? Has anybody had trouble mounting these in the fiberglass without reinforcing the inside of the fiberglass with a washer? Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings --------------------------------- Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:15 PM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Don, You don't want to set pop rivets loosely in fiberglass. Your hunch about using washers is correct if you don't have any other metal backup plate. Larry McFarland Don Mountain wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain > > I am in the process of mounting the wingtip NAV lights on my 601 XL, in the fiberglass tips. There are no instructions about what goes through the three mounting holes. There are no screws provided in the kit, so I assume they are A5 rivets? Has anybody had trouble mounting these in the fiberglass without reinforcing the inside of the fiberglass with a washer? > > Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings > > > >--------------------------------- > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:26 PM PST US From: "bill naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" Don- If they're the holes that you mount the light with, you use rivnuts, not rivets. You want to be able to get the assembly apart again easily. You can also use nut plates, but they're 3 times the work. Harbor Freight makes an excellent quality rivnut puller for about $10. It comes with an assortment of rivnuts, which you can use to practice with. Get the rivnuts you'll use permanently from ACS or Wick's. Plenty of information in the archives. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Mountain" Subject: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain > > I am in the process of mounting the wingtip NAV lights on my 601 XL, in the fiberglass tips. There are no instructions about what goes through the three mounting holes. There are no screws provided in the kit, so I assume they are A5 rivets? Has anybody had trouble mounting these in the fiberglass without reinforcing the inside of the fiberglass with a washer? > > Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings > > > --------------------------------- > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:31 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hi Don, Yes, the fiberglass needs washers to pevent the rivet to brake it when pulled, I made my own "washers" with scratch aluminum skin and the # 30 drill, Just make several holes aligned and cut them in "square" washers. make the instalation holes in the fiberglass and temporary paste the washers in place with contact cement. then rivet the light plate. Is easyer and faster than driving around to find the correct size of aluminum washers... No matter if they are not pretty, they are away from sight. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. Don Mountain wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain I am in the process of mounting the wingtip NAV lights on my 601 XL, in the fiberglass tips. There are no instructions about what goes through the three mounting holes. There are no screws provided in the kit, so I assume they are A5 rivets? Has anybody had trouble mounting these in the fiberglass without reinforcing the inside of the fiberglass with a washer? Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings --------------------------------- Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. --------------------------------- Let fate take it's course directly to your email. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:44 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> I have an extra Facet 40105 from the ZAC kit as I have just ordered two 40108's from ACS (I'm doing 601XL installation perWW). I'll sell the 40105 for $25, shipping included. Note: The 40105 has the 1/8 NPT female threads instead of the AN-6 male of the 40108. Also, the box shows part number 40105N, and I don't know what the "N" suffix designates. Robin Bellach, Jasper, AR 601XL long-range tri-gear w/Wynne-Vair 2900, empenage, wings & engine done, struggling along with fuse and f-fwd ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:24 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" The 4015's are the low pressure pumps...I found these to not generate enough pressure for single electric pump operation from wing tanks. You will need the 40106's for this application. The 40105's will be fine for use with a header tank or possibly for use a primer pump for an engine with a mechanical fuel pump such as the Rotax. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Bellach Subject: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> I have an extra Facet 40105 from the ZAC kit as I have just ordered two 40108's from ACS (I'm doing 601XL installation perWW). I'll sell the 40105 for $25, shipping included. Note: The 40105 has the 1/8 NPT female threads instead of the AN-6 male of the 40108. Also, the box shows part number 40105N, and I don't know what the "N" suffix designates. Robin Bellach, Jasper, AR 601XL long-range tri-gear w/Wynne-Vair 2900, empenage, wings & engine done, struggling along with fuse and f-fwd ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:16 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Don, I know others used the rivets called for, but I used a different method you might consider. I figured that was the only hole I had to get at things in the tip and so I mounted the lights with little stainless steel machine screws. I drilled the same holes through the fiberglass then on the back I secured the washer (a must) and nut with some J B Weld. After it set up I could remove the mounts if required. Way I figured it if I ever had to remove and drilled out, the rivets it would "run" on the fiberglass and require an even bigger rivet plus I would always have the rivet tails rattling around in the tip between ribs. By the way, I have had both off twice for painting and testing during final wring. Consider FWIW, Best regards, Bill ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:34 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Not me. I much prefer the 4108's pulling from my 4 low wing tanks (same pressure but less cumbersome fittings). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > The 4015's are the low pressure pumps...I found these to not generate > enough pressure for single electric pump operation from wing tanks. You > will need the 40106's for this application. > > The 40105's will be fine for use with a header tank or possibly for use > a primer pump for an engine with a mechanical fuel pump such as the > Rotax. > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin > Bellach > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> > > I have an extra Facet 40105 from the ZAC kit as I have just ordered > two 40108's from ACS (I'm doing 601XL installation perWW). I'll sell the > 40105 for $25, shipping included. > Note: The 40105 has the 1/8 NPT female threads instead of the AN-6 > male of the 40108. Also, the box shows part number 40105N, and I don't > know what the "N" suffix designates. > > Robin Bellach, Jasper, AR > 601XL long-range tri-gear w/Wynne-Vair 2900, empenage, wings & > engine done, struggling along with fuse and f-fwd > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:49 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> What sort of carburetion or fuel injection system have you found the 40105 inadequate for? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > The 4015's are the low pressure pumps...I found these to not generate > enough pressure for single electric pump operation from wing tanks. You > will need the 40106's for this application. > > The 40105's will be fine for use with a header tank or possibly for use > a primer pump for an engine with a mechanical fuel pump such as the > Rotax. > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin > Bellach > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> > > I have an extra Facet 40105 from the ZAC kit as I have just ordered > two 40108's from ACS (I'm doing 601XL installation perWW). I'll sell the > 40105 for $25, shipping included. > Note: The 40105 has the 1/8 NPT female threads instead of the AN-6 > male of the 40108. Also, the box shows part number 40105N, and I don't > know what the "N" suffix designates. > > Robin Bellach, Jasper, AR > 601XL long-range tri-gear w/Wynne-Vair 2900, empenage, wings & > engine done, struggling along with fuse and f-fwd > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:56 PM PST US From: "Jeff Davidson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" >>>What sort of carburetion or fuel injection system have you found the 40105 inadequate for? The 40105 is rated at 2-1/2 to 4-1/2 PSI Max. The 40106 and 40108 pumps are 4 to 6 PSI Maximum. Two 40105s were provided by ZAC in my Leading Edge fuel tank kit. Jeff Davidson ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:14 PM PST US From: "Jeff Davidson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" The 4015's are the low pressure pumps...I found these to not generate enough pressure for single electric pump operation from wing tanks. You will need the 40106's for this application. The 40105's will be fine for use with a header tank or possibly for use a primer pump for an engine with a mechanical fuel pump such as the Rotax. Frank, At the Jabiru workshop last summer, Jabiru recommended the "2-4" PSI Facet pump. They are looking for 1 - 3 inches squared at the Bing carby. To me, that translates to the 40105. The Jabiru 3300 also has a mechanical fuel pump. The Jabiru engine maintenance manual lists it at 3-3 1/2 lbs. I know this violates others warnings, but they recommend plumbing the two pumps in series. Jeff Davidson ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:50 PM PST US From: Don Mountain Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain Thanks, this looks like a good idea for mounting the light socket for easy removal with a glued on washer and nut. Another question though. I noticed that the light socket is not grounded except through the light base, like it is supposed to be mounted on a grounded surface with screws going through metal for grounding, although there is a grounding wire going to the flashing light in the socket from its driver mounted on the wing spar. Will the red or green running light ground through this connection to the flasher? Or will I have to run a ground from the socket base to the metal wing spar? Don > Don, I know others used the rivets called > for, but I used a different method you > might consider. I figured that was the > only hole I had to get at things in the tip > and so I mounted the lights with little > stainless steel machine screws. I drilled > the same holes through the fiberglass > then on the back I secured the washer > (a must) and nut with some J B Weld. > After it set up I could remove the mounts > if required. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin Run a ground wire from the back plate to ground the nav light. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain > > Another question though. I noticed that the light socket is not grounded > except through the light base, .... > > Don ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:45 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Jeff, You were really lucky. I bought the regular tank kit plus the aux tank kit and got only one pump total. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Davidson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" > > >>>>What sort of carburetion or fuel injection system have you found the > 40105 > inadequate for? > > The 40105 is rated at 2-1/2 to 4-1/2 PSI Max. The 40106 and 40108 pumps are > 4 to 6 PSI Maximum. Two 40105s were provided by ZAC in my Leading Edge fuel > tank kit. > > Jeff Davidson > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:41 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: 2005 List of Contributors (Update)... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, There seemed to a number of members that were having a problem viewing the List of Contributors this year, particularly for those using some versions of Outlook and some web-based email clients. Just to make sure that everyone is properly acknowledged for their generous support of the Lists this year, I have made a simple web page with the current contributees as of 12/06/05. This can viewed here: http://www.matronics.com/ListOfContributors2005.html Thank you to everyone that made a contribution this year. The Contribution web site with all of this year's great gifts is still open for those of you that would like to show your last minute support! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thanks again to everyone that supported the Lists this year! Matt Dralle Matronics Email Lists Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:00 PM PST US From: "Jim Pellien" Subject: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's on my website: www.MASPL.com Jim Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:33 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" The white box with the red border that says "Comparison of all 22 SLSAs" on your home page doesn't appear to link to anywhere. How do I get to the chart? -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pellien Subject: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's on my website: www.MASPL.com Jim Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:25 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Jim, I tried to find your new chart but failed. Can you post a direct link? thanks, Paul do not archive At 08:32 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" > >I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's on >my website: www.MASPL.com > > >Jim > > >Jim Pellien > >Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes > >The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com > >www.MASPL.com > >703-313-4818 > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 ---------------------------------------------