---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/07/05: 45 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:56 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Richard Hutson) 2. 02:12 AM - Re: GPS / Compass (Larry Portouw) 3. 02:17 AM - Re: antenna question (Larry Portouw) 4. 02:30 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Kevin Thorp) 5. 03:09 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Jim Pellien) 6. 03:11 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Jim Pellien) 7. 03:46 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Paul Mulwitz) 8. 04:13 AM - Re: Nav light mounting (Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta) 9. 05:17 AM - Re: Nav light mounting (Don Mountain) 10. 05:37 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Don Mountain) 11. 05:47 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Don Mountain) 12. 06:27 AM - bending .093 angle (David Johnson) 13. 06:31 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (cgalley) 14. 06:34 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (jim) 15. 07:08 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Tommy Walker) 16. 07:39 AM - Re: bending .093 angle (N5SL) 17. 07:54 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Don Mountain) 18. 07:55 AM - Re: bending .093 angle (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 19. 08:10 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Don Mountain) 20. 08:30 AM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 21. 08:36 AM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 22. 09:53 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (doug kandle) 23. 09:53 AM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (cgalley) 24. 12:51 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 25. 01:33 PM - 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 26. 01:52 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (Don Mountain) 27. 02:12 PM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Craig Payne) 28. 02:26 PM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Craig Payne) 29. 02:31 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity (Paul Mulwitz) 30. 02:52 PM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Tom Orsborn) 31. 03:31 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity (Robin Bellach) 32. 03:43 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (Bryan Martin) 33. 03:46 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity (Craig Payne) 34. 04:15 PM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Richard Hutson) 35. 04:16 PM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Bryan Martin) 36. 05:24 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 37. 05:29 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 38. 06:21 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity (Robin Bellach) 39. 06:31 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity (Robin Bellach) 40. 06:36 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity (Paul Mulwitz) 41. 06:53 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity (Craig Payne) 42. 07:48 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity (Robin Bellach) 43. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (William Jeffries) 44. 10:34 PM - Wheel Kits (kevinbonds) 45. 11:20 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity. (Gary Gower) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:41 AM PST US From: "Richard Hutson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" WORK FOR ME!!! ----- Original Message ----- > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > > The white box with the red border that says "Comparison of all 22 SLSAs" > on > your home page doesn't appear to link to anywhere. How do I get to the > chart? > > -- Craig > > Subject: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" > > I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's > on > my website: www.MASPL.com > > > Jim > > > Jim Pellien > > Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes > > The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com > > www.MASPL.com > > 703-313-4818 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:59 AM PST US From: "Larry Portouw" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS / Compass --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" There is deliberate jamming to deal with, too. It's especially important to watch the NOTAMS around military test activities such as the Electronic Proving Ground at Fort Huachuca, AZ, Yuma Proving Ground, AZ, and White Sands, NM for example. I've seen GPS signal testing conducted centered on the FHU VORTAC, usually in the very wee hours of the morning. As I recall the warning usually describes a cone of interference increasing in diameter with height. Multiple means of navigation are a good idea. I use 4: map, compass, watch, and GPS for backup. Larry Portouw 601XL kit Atlanta, GA ----------------------------------- Rick said: GPS signals are used for a lot of other uses than that of navigation. I'm in the Telcom industry and we use GPS as a timing source for our optical transport equipment. That way all the little bits line up across the country without any, (much) delay. We can revert to line timing should we loose a receiver, etc... DO NOT ARCHIVE Rick Orlando, FL. USA http://www.n701rr.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:38 AM PST US From: "Larry Portouw" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: antenna question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" Gig, John I've got a Sporty's hand held for backup and was surprised to find that the VOR receiver in it works quite well, although with reduced range. It gives a stable course indication with a strong signal using the rubber antenna. This in a Tri-pacer, so I don't know if an all metal plane would degrade it. Larry Portouw 601XL kit Atlanta, GA Do not archive Time: 06:11:01 AM PST US From: "Gig Giacona" Subject: Re: antenna question John, I don't have a handheld but have played with a couple in other peoples aircraft and never got the NAV function to work that well. None of the ones I messed with were connected to an external antenna. So either they need it or they just don't work. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:21 AM PST US From: Kevin Thorp Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Thorp The link didn't work for me, either. It only works if you're running Microsoft's Internet Explorer. (I use Firefox). Here's the direct link: http://www.maspl.com/SLSA%20Comparison.htm Richard Hutson wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" > >WORK FOR ME!!! > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" >> >>The white box with the red border that says "Comparison of all 22 SLSAs" >>on >>your home page doesn't appear to link to anywhere. How do I get to the >>chart? >> >>-- Craig >> >> >>>Subject: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart >>> >>> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" >> >>I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's >>on >>my website: www.MASPL.com >> >> >>Jim >> >> >>Jim Pellien >> >>Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes >> >>The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com >> >>www.MASPL.com >> >>703-313-4818 >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:39 AM PST US From: "Jim Pellien" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" Craig, I just tried it on my browser and it works just fine. Anybody else having this type of problem? Craig, What type of browser are you using? Jim Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" The white box with the red border that says "Comparison of all 22 SLSAs" on your home page doesn't appear to link to anywhere. How do I get to the chart? -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pellien Subject: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's on my website: www.MASPL.com Jim Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:12 AM PST US From: "Jim Pellien" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" Paul, The direct link is: http://www.maspl.com/SLSA%20Comparison.htm What Internet browser are you using? Is anybody getting through to the comparison chart by clicking on the red box on my home page. I'm trying to figure out what the problem might be for Craig and Paul who apparently cannot reach this page by clicking on the red box. Jim Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Jim, I tried to find your new chart but failed. Can you post a direct link? thanks, Paul do not archive At 08:32 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" > >I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's on >my website: www.MASPL.com > > >Jim > > >Jim Pellien > >Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes > >The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com > >www.MASPL.com > >703-313-4818 > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- _- _- _- _- _- _- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:04 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Thanks Kevin, I use Firefox too. It seems to me anyone who uses MS Internet Explorer is just looking to have their computer destroyed by a worm or virus. Paul do not archive At 02:29 AM 12/7/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Thorp > >The link didn't work for me, either. It only works if you're running >Microsoft's Internet Explorer. (I use Firefox). > >Here's the direct link: http://www.maspl.com/SLSA%20Comparison.htm > >Richard Hutson wrote: > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" > > > > >WORK FOR ME!!! > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > >> > >>The white box with the red border that says "Comparison of all 22 SLSAs" > >>on > >>your home page doesn't appear to link to anywhere. How do I get to the > >>chart? > >> > >>-- Craig > >> > >> > >>>Subject: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart > >>> > >>> > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" > >> > >>I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's > >>on > >>my website: www.MASPL.com > >> > >> > >>Jim > >> > >> > >>Jim Pellien > >> > >>Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes > >> > >>The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com > >> > >>www.MASPL.com > >> > >>703-313-4818 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting From: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta" I don't know how different the wingtip in the 601 is from the 640, but in the 640 you make a ground/backing plate out of .016 sheet. This rivets inside the fiberglass tip where the light mounts, then extends under the upper wing skin about 100 mm and is riveted to the wing skin. It is kind of difficult to describe, but I have photos if anyone is interested. It provides a solid backing to hold the rivets and rivnuts, as well as providing a good ground for the nav lights. Steve Adams ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:33 AM PST US From: Don Mountain Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain Thanks Steve. I already cut a backing plate the same size and with all the same holes as the light base, to use as a guide to cut the holes in the fiberglass wingtip. After all the suggestions, I am now thinking about just adding some anchor nut plates riveted on like we used on the inspection plates, and then epoxy gluing the plate on the inside of the fiberglass so I can then just use screws to remove and replace the light socket. And I can slip a wire with a ring type terminal through the same hole as the other flasher wire socket, and screw it down under one of the mounting screws. Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings > I don't know how different the wingtip > in the 601 is from the 640, but in the > 640 you make a ground/backing plate > out of .016 sheet. This rivets inside > the fiberglass tip where the light > mounts, then extends under the upper > wing skin about 100 mm and is riveted > to the wing skin. >Steve Adams --------------------------------- Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:34 AM PST US From: Don Mountain Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain Jim, I am using Mozilla Firefox also, and the box appears on your main page, but unlike other links on the page, my cursor doesn't change into a pointed hand indicating that I can select anything. And when I do click on the red and white comparison box, nothing happens. Earlier I think when I first brought up your web page, the red and white box didn't even appear. But I can get to it from a previously posted direct link. Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings Jim Pellien wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" Paul, The direct link is: http://www.maspl.com/SLSA%20Comparison.htm What Internet browser are you using? Is anybody getting through to the comparison chart by clicking on the red box on my home page. I'm trying to figure out what the problem might be for Craig and Paul who apparently cannot reach this page by clicking on the red box. Jim Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Jim, I tried to find your new chart but failed. Can you post a direct link? thanks, Paul do not archive At 08:32 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" > >I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's on >my website: www.MASPL.com > > >Jim > > >Jim Pellien > >Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes > >The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com > >www.MASPL.com > >703-313-4818 > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- _- _- _- _- _- _- --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:39 AM PST US From: Don Mountain Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain I use the Firefox browser now too, after losing all of my software to the MS Internet virus problem. With it you have to spend lots of money on current virus protection software, and it slows down the computer so much that you better have a big cup of coffee between eash web page you view. With Firefox I can run with an older 500 clock speed, with MS Internet you need to have at least a 4000 clock speed, and even then you wait long periods of time to run the virus protection. Not good. Don Paul Mulwitz wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Thanks Kevin, I use Firefox too. It seems to me anyone who uses MS Internet Explorer is just looking to have their computer destroyed by a worm or virus. Paul do not archive --------------------------------- Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:32 AM PST US From: "David Johnson" Subject: Zenith-List: bending .093 angle --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Johnson" I'm building a 601XL, completed the wings and just started on the fuselage - hit a problem straight away! What is the best way to bend the forward longerons (the 0.093" angles) to match the curve of the forward fuselage without either crumpling the angle or giving myself a hernia? I have managed to get a slight curve, but the material is very springy. Dave Johnson Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:27 AM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" I am the webmaster for several Web sites. Not all browsers will respond to the code that Internet explorer does. It is very frustrating as a webmaster to find that it works with IE but FireFox has an entire differnt agenda. Formatting might be different or disappear entirely. I use Mailwasher and V-com virus checker. NO slow down. Just don't open unknown attachments. If strange things happen then use the system restore. I seldom have to except for my own induced problems. Cy Galley - Webmaster www.edgewoodaggregates.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Mountain" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain > > Jim, I am using Mozilla Firefox also, and the box appears on your main > page, but unlike other links on the page, my cursor doesn't change into a > pointed hand indicating that I can select anything. And when I do click > on the red and white comparison box, nothing happens. Earlier I think > when I first brought up your web page, the red and white box didn't even > appear. But I can get to it from a previously posted direct link. > > Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings > > Jim Pellien wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: > "Jim Pellien" > > Paul, > > > The direct link is: http://www.maspl.com/SLSA%20Comparison.htm > > > What Internet browser are you using? > > > Is anybody getting through to the comparison chart by clicking on the red > box on my home page. I'm trying to figure out what the problem might be > for > Craig and Paul who apparently cannot reach this page by clicking on the > red > box. > > > Jim > > > Jim Pellien > > Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes > > The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com > > www.MASPL.com > > 703-313-4818 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz > > > Hi Jim, > > > I tried to find your new chart but failed. Can you post a direct link? > > > thanks, > > > Paul > > do not archive > > > At 08:32 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote: > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" > >> > >>I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's > on > >>my website: www.MASPL.com > >> > >> > >>Jim > >> > >> > >>Jim Pellien > >> > >>Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes > >> > >>The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com > >> > >>www.MASPL.com > >> > >>703-313-4818 > >> > >> > > > --------------------------------------------- > > Paul Mulwitz > > 32013 NE Dial Road > > Camas, WA 98607 > > --------------------------------------------- > > > _- > > > _- > > > _- > > _- > > _- > > > _- > > > --------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:31 AM PST US From: "jim" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" Don, Can you get to the comparison chart by putting in the URL for that webpage? http://www.maspl.com/SLSA%20Comparison.htm So far it sounds like it is a problem limited to machines that use the Mozilla Firefox browser. Has anybody who is using Internet Explorer browser seen this problem? Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 jim@sportsplanes.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Don Mountain >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain > >Jim, I am using Mozilla Firefox also, and the box appears on your main page, but unlike other links on the page, my cursor doesn't change into a pointed hand indicating that I can select anything. And when I do click on the red and white comparison box, nothing happens. Earlier I think when I first brought up your web page, the red and white box didn't even appear. But I can get to it from a previously posted direct link. > > Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings > >Jim Pellien wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" > >Paul, > > >The direct link is: http://www.maspl.com/SLSA%20Comparison.htm > > >What Internet browser are you using? > > >Is anybody getting through to the comparison chart by clicking on the red >box on my home page. I'm trying to figure out what the problem might be for >Craig and Paul who apparently cannot reach this page by clicking on the red >box. > > >Jim > > >Jim Pellien > >Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes > >The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com > >www.MASPL.com > >703-313-4818 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz > > >Hi Jim, > > >I tried to find your new chart but failed. Can you post a direct link? > > >thanks, > > >Paul > >do not archive > > >At 08:32 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote: > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" > >> > >>I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's >on > >>my website: www.MASPL.com > >> > >> > >>Jim > >> > >> > >>Jim Pellien > >> > >>Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes > >> > >>The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com > >> > >>www.MASPL.com > >> > >>703-313-4818 > >> > >> > > >--------------------------------------------- > >Paul Mulwitz > >32013 NE Dial Road > >Camas, WA 98607 > >--------------------------------------------- > > >_- > > >_- > > >_- > >_- > >_- > > >_- > > > >--------------------------------- > > Sent via the WebMail system at Engage IT ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:32 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" Jim, It works for me using IE 6.0 Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jim Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" Don, Can you get to the comparison chart by putting in the URL for that webpage? http://www.maspl.com/SLSA%20Comparison.htm So far it sounds like it is a problem limited to machines that use the Mozilla Firefox browser. Has anybody who is using Internet Explorer browser seen this problem? Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 jim@sportsplanes.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:08 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: bending .093 angle --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Hi David: I posted a photo on my website of this process but I have to give Larry McFarland full credit for the idea - I think he has a photo or two posted as well at macsmachine.com. Here's how I did it (I used 1/8" thick angle instead of the .093" angles): http://www.cooknwithgas.com/7_28_04_LongeronBending.JPG It will tend to bend in two planes, so you have to work with it, but I was able to get two identical bends for my 1/8" thick upper longerons. Good luck, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com --- David Johnson wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Johnson" > > > I'm building a 601XL, completed the wings and just > started on the fuselage - hit a problem straight > away! > > What is the best way to bend the forward longerons > (the 0.093" angles) to match the curve of the > forward fuselage without either crumpling the angle > or giving myself a hernia? > > I have managed to get a slight curve, but the > material is very springy. > > Dave Johnson > > Do Not Archive > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > _-> > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:27 AM PST US From: Don Mountain Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain Jim, Yes, I can get there from your direct link without any problems. I think the first time I brought up your web page, something else beside the picture of 3 guys standing in front of a Zenith 601 XL was in the middle of the page. Then as I watched, real slowly, the picture of the 601 started to appear from the top down over the previous picture that later appeared at the bottom of the page. And the red bordered white link to SLSA comparisons appeared. But I couldn't click on it. I have to use the Firefox browser on this computer because all of my Microsoft stuff was destroyed by a "new" virus or worm that wasn't in my current protection firewall. And the new worm wouldn't allow me to "fix" any of the destroyed software without reformatting my whole drive. And losing some older valuable software that I no longer pay the upkeep for. So, to protect the stuff I have left, I have to use Firefox. Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings jim wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" Don, Can you get to the comparison chart by putting in the URL for that webpage? http://www.maspl.com/SLSA%20Comparison.htm So far it sounds like it is a problem limited to machines that use the Mozilla Firefox browser. Has anybody who is using Internet Explorer browser seen this problem? Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 jim@sportsplanes.com --------------------------------- Let fate take it's course directly to your email. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:49 AM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: bending .093 angle --> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com I used the 1/8 inch thick angle as well. And I bent it much like Larry McFarland did. It has a tendency to "twist" when you bend it..or as Scott Laughlin says, "it will bend on two planes" But if you work with it, it can be coaxed into the proper shape. It took a little patience...and some elbow grease, but mine came out pretty well. Dave 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:54 AM PST US From: Don Mountain Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain Hello Cy, Thanks for the info, but all of my Microsoft software has already destroyed itself, even after running a supposidly current firewall. And I can't afford to throw away some software that I no longer pay for the support for, but runs just fine. And "restoring" the internet browser does not fix the problem. Microsoft Internet Browser is the source for all of these problems, and I just work around or not view web pages that don't appear on Firefox. I have never had any problems with it. And I believe that an awful lot of people are moving away from Microsoft products due to their self-destroying features when using the Internet. You web masters need to start programming for compatibility with Firefox and other browsers if you want to sell stuff. Don, 601XL, tail done, working on wings cgalley wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" I am the webmaster for several Web sites. Not all browsers will respond to the code that Internet explorer does. It is very frustrating as a webmaster to find that it works with IE but FireFox has an entire differnt agenda. Formatting might be different or disappear entirely. I use Mailwasher and V-com virus checker. NO slow down. Just don't open unknown attachments. If strange things happen then use the system restore. I seldom have to except for my own induced problems. Cy Galley - Webmaster --------------------------------- Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:43 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I had a 105 and a 106 at the same time, one pump buried in each wing root with wing tank only and no mechanical pump. At full power flowing around 8GPH the 105 would show zero pressure (this is full power on the subaru but will be the same for any similar 100HP engine) The 106 showed roughly 4psi. These numbers ae with a single pump running which is how I switch my tanks...I.e the right pump pumps pumps from the right tank and Vice versa. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Bellach Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> What sort of carburetion or fuel injection system have you found the 40105 inadequate for? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > The 4015's are the low pressure pumps...I found these to not generate > enough pressure for single electric pump operation from wing tanks. You > will need the 40106's for this application. > > The 40105's will be fine for use with a header tank or possibly for use > a primer pump for an engine with a mechanical fuel pump such as the > Rotax. > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin > Bellach > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> > > I have an extra Facet 40105 from the ZAC kit as I have just ordered > two 40108's from ACS (I'm doing 601XL installation perWW). I'll sell the > 40105 for $25, shipping included. > Note: The 40105 has the 1/8 NPT female threads instead of the AN-6 > male of the 40108. Also, the box shows part number 40105N, and I don't > know what the "N" suffix designates. > > Robin Bellach, Jasper, AR > 601XL long-range tri-gear w/Wynne-Vair 2900, empenage, wings & > engine done, struggling along with fuse and f-fwd > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:09 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Read my other message where the 105 showed zero at the carb. Probably OK for the engine driven pump version. The pump in series argument has been around a long time and if you think about it this is how FI Lycomings are plumbed and seem to be reliable. Just try to understand what the failure modes can be. I don't know if I would plumb this way or not...My new FI Lycoming has two electric pumps only simply because I am comfortable with the system Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Davidson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" --> The 4015's are the low pressure pumps...I found these to not generate enough pressure for single electric pump operation from wing tanks. You will need the 40106's for this application. The 40105's will be fine for use with a header tank or possibly for use a primer pump for an engine with a mechanical fuel pump such as the Rotax. Frank, At the Jabiru workshop last summer, Jabiru recommended the "2-4" PSI Facet pump. They are looking for 1 - 3 inches squared at the Bing carby. To me, that translates to the 40105. The Jabiru 3300 also has a mechanical fuel pump. The Jabiru engine maintenance manual lists it at 3-3 1/2 lbs. I know this violates others warnings, but they recommend plumbing the two pumps in series. Jeff Davidson ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:18 AM PST US From: doug kandle Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle I'll second that motion! Look at the source for the web page in question. The offending html is enclosed in a comment block! This is what Microsoft does when it creates a non-compliant feature. Stick with compliant HTML and save us all a lot of grief. is comment exit coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="202" path="m,l,21600r21600,l21600,xe"> blah blah blah Comparison of all 22 SLSAs DO NOT ARCHIVE At 09:06 AM 12/7/2005, you wrote: >You web masters need to start programming for compatibility with >Firefox and other browsers if you want to sell stuff. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:39 AM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" I'm sorry about your problem. Did you try a system restore? With regards to other browsers... If they want sell their software, then it ought to be compatible with the standards set forth by W3.org. Since my web reporting service says that less than 5% are using other browsers, They are the ones that need to follow the standards, not the site builder following the standard. Sure there are some work arounds but WHY? I don't care what browser some one uses as I am not selling anything. I am providing information. If the person can't find a "FREE" browser that follows the rules or standards, then that is their problem. I presently run a site that has parallel pages... One for Pictures and one without for those that only have a dial up. BUT they both are only garanteed to work with IE. If they work with other browsers that don't follow the standards, that is a bonus. It is sort of like playing football. If in USA, the field is one size, Canada uses a different field and rules. Would it be fair to have a USA and Canadian team play a game where in each team uses a different set of rules? Cy Galley - MVR Webmaster www.aaca.org/mvr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Mountain" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain > > Hello Cy, > > Thanks for the info, but all of my Microsoft software has already > destroyed itself, even after running a supposidly current firewall. And > I can't afford to throw away some software that I no longer pay for the > support for, but runs just fine. And "restoring" the internet browser > does not fix the problem. Microsoft Internet Browser is the source for > all of these problems, and I just work around or not view web pages that > don't appear on Firefox. I have never had any problems with it. And I > believe that an awful lot of people are moving away from Microsoft > products due to their self-destroying features when using the Internet. > You web masters need to start programming for compatibility with Firefox > and other browsers if you want to sell stuff. > > Don, 601XL, tail done, working on wings > > cgalley wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: > "cgalley" > > I am the webmaster for several Web sites. > > Not all browsers will respond to the code that Internet explorer does. It > is very frustrating as a webmaster to find that it works with IE but > FireFox > has an entire differnt agenda. Formatting might be different or disappear > entirely. > > I use Mailwasher and V-com virus checker. NO slow down. Just don't open > unknown attachments. If strange things happen then use the system restore. > I seldom have to except for my own induced problems. > > Cy Galley - Webmaster > > > --------------------------------- > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:12 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Don, its been a couple years and I can't remember the ground. Best way is to follow the wiring instructions and test fire. If it works, it is correct. I do remember drilling a ground shaft in each end of the wing spar, but I cannot remember what connected to what. Best to you, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:14 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Dear Thread friends, anybody notice that the twelve gallon ZAC tanks for the XL actually have a capacity of about eleven gallons ? Seems like 12 pounds or so forward of the CG missing might be something to be concerned about. Best to you all, Bill ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:24 PM PST US From: Don Mountain Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain Thanks Bill, I decided to make sure everything is grounded, by running a separate ground wire to a separate bolt through the wing spar for both the position light and the flashing white light controller. This brings up another question. Does anybody else use that grey paste on aluminum contacts like they do in the electric power industry to keep them from corroding? Don, 601XL, tail done, Working on wings. > Don, its been a couple years and I > can't remember the ground. Best > way is to follow the wiring instructions > and test fire. If it works, it is correct. I > do remember drilling a ground shaft > in each end of the wing spar, but I > cannot remember what connected to > what. Best to you, Bill of Georgia --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:06 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" I'm also using Firefox. I have version 1.5 which was just released. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pellien Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" Paul, The direct link is: http://www.maspl.com/SLSA%20Comparison.htm What Internet browser are you using? Is anybody getting through to the comparison chart by clicking on the red box on my home page. I'm trying to figure out what the problem might be for Craig and Paul who apparently cannot reach this page by clicking on the red box. Jim Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz --> Hi Jim, I tried to find your new chart but failed. Can you post a direct link? thanks, Paul do not archive At 08:32 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" > >I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved >SLSA's on >my website: www.MASPL.com > > >Jim > > >Jim Pellien > >Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes > >The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com > >www.MASPL.com > >703-313-4818 > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- _- _- _- _- _- _- ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:04 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Don't forget to download the new 1.5 version of Firefox. And if you haven't already done so, switch to Blackbird for your e-mail client. I had to return to Outlook because my company uses it. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Mountain Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain I use the Firefox browser now too, after losing all of my software to the MS Internet virus problem. With it you have to spend lots of money on current virus protection software, and it slows down the computer so much that you better have a big cup of coffee between eash web page you view. With Firefox I can run with an older 500 clock speed, with MS Internet you need to have at least a 4000 clock speed, and even then you wait long periods of time to run the virus protection. Not good. Don Paul Mulwitz wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Thanks Kevin, I use Firefox too. It seems to me anyone who uses MS Internet Explorer is just looking to have their computer destroyed by a worm or virus. Paul do not archive --------------------------------- Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:16 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Bill, Is that 11 gallons useable or 11 gallons total? Paul XL wings do not archive At 01:32 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > >Dear Thread friends, anybody notice that the twelve gallon ZAC tanks for the >XL actually have a capacity of about eleven gallons ? Seems like 12 pounds or >so forward of the CG missing might be something to be concerned >about. Best to >you all, Bill > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:12 PM PST US From: "Tom Orsborn" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Orsborn" Jim - the link on your home page works for me. (IE 6.0) -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pellien Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" Paul, The direct link is: http://www.maspl.com/SLSA%20Comparison.htm What Internet browser are you using? Is anybody getting through to the comparison chart by clicking on the red box on my home page. I'm trying to figure out what the problem might be for Craig and Paul who apparently cannot reach this page by clicking on the red box. Jim Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Jim, I tried to find your new chart but failed. Can you post a direct link? thanks, Paul do not archive At 08:32 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" > >I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's on >my website: www.MASPL.com > > >Jim > > >Jim Pellien > >Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes > >The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com > >www.MASPL.com > >703-313-4818 > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- _- _- _- _- _- _- ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:27 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Seems to me for CG purposes you only need be concerned with the actual amount of fuel in the tank, and if you are the aircraft builder you are responsible for knowing the actual capacity and usable capacity and ZAC's estimates are moot. And speaking of capacity, I have four of the older ZAC tanks, for which they claim 10 gal. each - what have you guys who are farther along found to be the actual and usable capacities of those to be? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:32 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > > Dear Thread friends, anybody notice that the twelve gallon ZAC tanks for the > XL actually have a capacity of about eleven gallons ? Seems like 12 pounds or > so forward of the CG missing might be something to be concerned about. Best to > you all, Bill > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin I do. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. on 12/7/05 4:50 PM, Don Mountain at mountain4don@yahoo.com wrote: > > This brings up another question. Does > anybody else use that grey paste on aluminum contacts like they do in the > electric power industry to keep them from corroding? > > Don, 601XL, tail done, Working on wings. > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:21 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" I'll be measuring the capacity of my 601XL tanks very carefully when I calibrate my fuel gauges. I've got a three liter calibrated cylinder that stands about 3 feet high. So I'll be pouring gas into my (dry) tanks three liters at a time and entering the amount of fuel into my "poor man's" glass panel. http://www.mglavionics.co.za/ultraHXL.html Presumably at the end of filling the tanks I will know their true capacity. Then I will drain all the fuel out through the fuel lines, measure that and know the usable capacity. Good thing I don't smoke. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Bellach Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Seems to me for CG purposes you only need be concerned with the actual amount of fuel in the tank, and if you are the aircraft builder you are responsible for knowing the actual capacity and usable capacity and ZAC's estimates are moot. And speaking of capacity, I have four of the older ZAC tanks, for which they claim 10 gal. each - what have you guys who are farther along found to be the actual and usable capacities of those to be? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:32 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > > Dear Thread friends, anybody notice that the twelve gallon ZAC tanks for the > XL actually have a capacity of about eleven gallons ? Seems like 12 pounds or > so forward of the CG missing might be something to be concerned about. Best to > you all, Bill > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:15 PM PST US From: "Richard Hutson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" yes ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" > > Don, > > Can you get to the comparison chart by putting in the URL for that > webpage? > > http://www.maspl.com/SLSA%20Comparison.htm > > So far it sounds like it is a problem limited to machines that use the > Mozilla Firefox browser. > > Has anybody who is using Internet Explorer browser seen this problem? > > Jim Pellien > Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes > www.MASPL.com > 703-313-4818 > jim@sportsplanes.com > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Don Mountain > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:37:00 -0800 (PST) > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain >> >>Jim, I am using Mozilla Firefox also, and the box appears on your main >>page, but unlike other links on the page, my cursor doesn't change into a >>pointed hand indicating that I can select anything. And when I do click >>on the red and white comparison box, nothing happens. Earlier I think >>when I first brought up your web page, the red and white box didn't even >>appear. But I can get to it from a previously posted direct link. >> >> Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings >> >>Jim Pellien wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: >>"Jim Pellien" >> >>Paul, >> >> >>The direct link is: http://www.maspl.com/SLSA%20Comparison.htm >> >> >>What Internet browser are you using? >> >> >>Is anybody getting through to the comparison chart by clicking on the red >>box on my home page. I'm trying to figure out what the problem might be >>for >>Craig and Paul who apparently cannot reach this page by clicking on the >>red >>box. >> >> >>Jim >> >> >>Jim Pellien >> >>Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes >> >>The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com >> >>www.MASPL.com >> >>703-313-4818 >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart >> >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz >> >> >>Hi Jim, >> >> >>I tried to find your new chart but failed. Can you post a direct link? >> >> >>thanks, >> >> >>Paul >> >>do not archive >> >> >>At 08:32 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote: >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" >> >>> >> >>>I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's >>on >> >>>my website: www.MASPL.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Jim >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Jim Pellien >> >>> >> >>>Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes >> >>> >> >>>The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com >> >>> >> >>>www.MASPL.com >> >>> >> >>>703-313-4818 >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------- >> >>Paul Mulwitz >> >>32013 NE Dial Road >> >>Camas, WA 98607 >> >>--------------------------------------------- >> >> >>_- >> >> >>_- >> >> >>_- >> >>_- >> >>_- >> >> >>_- >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> >> > > > Sent via the WebMail system at Engage IT > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin The link doesn't work for me with Safari, Explorer or Netscape on my Mac. It only works with Explorer on my PC. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. on 12/7/05 6:08 AM, Jim Pellien at jim@pellien.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" > > Craig, > > I just tried it on my browser and it works just fine. Anybody else having > this type of problem? > > Craig, What type of browser are you using? > > Jim > > Jim Pellien > Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes > The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com > www.MASPL.com > 703-313-4818 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:43 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Robin, when you compute weight and balance with full loads you multiply the number of gallons times the weight of fuel. When that is factored in with 180 pounds norm per passenger you can then compute the amount of pounds of baggage you can haul behind center of gravity. Less weight forward means less weight rearward. And with a wife that thinks 100 pounds of luggage is roughing it for an overnight weekend trip that has great bearing. ZAC has given us the CG knowing by design that the elevator can pitch the plane sufficiently on take off and landing if the weighs are within computed limitations. That is why 12 pounds forward of CG is important. Best regards, Bill ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:46 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Paul, the way XL tanks set tipped forwards and about three inches higher out board I suspect the finger filter gets almost all the fuel. But from bone dry the tank will hit the overflow at about 11 gallons, maybe a tad more. Best to you, Bill ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:35 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> You can always add some lead. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > > Robin, when you compute weight and balance with full loads you multiply the > number of gallons times the weight of fuel. When that is factored in with 180 > pounds norm per passenger you can then compute the amount of pounds of baggage > you can haul behind center of gravity. Less weight forward means less weight > rearward. And with a wife that thinks 100 pounds of luggage is roughing it for > an overnight weekend trip that has great bearing. ZAC has given us the CG > knowing by design that the elevator can pitch the plane sufficiently on take off > and landing if the weighs are within computed limitations. That is why 12 > pounds forward of CG is important. Best regards, Bill > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:05 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> That's about what I figure - I'll probably be lucky to get 42 gal. usable out if my 4 so-called 12-gal. tanks. I do have the 12 gal., not 10 as I previously said - I was mixed up at the time, thinking that you had the newer tanks that are 15 gal. when actually you have the same old ones I do. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > > Paul, the way XL tanks set tipped forwards and about three inches higher out > board I suspect the finger filter gets almost all the fuel. But from bone dry > the tank will hit the overflow at about 11 gallons, maybe a tad more. Best to > you, Bill > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:01 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Bill, Thanks for the info. I interpret your comment to mean 11 gallons is the useable fuel in the tank as installed in the plane. I am not at all surprised the usable fuel is not 12 gallons in a 12 gallon tank. There is always some tank space that doesn't translate to gas going to the engine in flight. You may be right about the weight and balance issue introduced by the fuel "Shortage". On the other hand, the fuel tanks are probably placed very near the ideal CG. This is done so the removal of fuel doesn't make a big change in the plane's CG during a long flight. I wouldn't lose sleep over this being a big design flaw until the complete picture is clear with the initial weight and balance calculations on your specific plane. If you need more weight up front you can always put the battery in the engine compartment like it is in most cars. I suspect it is more likely that your plane will need more empty weight in the rear and you will put your battery aft of the seats - just like most small planes. I am sure your plane will be OK. Hang in there. Paul XL wings At 05:29 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > >Paul, the way XL tanks set tipped forwards and about three inches higher out >board I suspect the finger filter gets almost all the fuel. But from bone dry >the tank will hit the overflow at about 11 gallons, maybe a tad more. Best to >you, Bill > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:49 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" What payload will you have left if you carry 42 gallons of fuel? -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Bellach Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> That's about what I figure - I'll probably be lucky to get 42 gal. usable out if my 4 so-called 12-gal. tanks. I do have the 12 gal., not 10 as I previously said - I was mixed up at the time, thinking that you had the newer tanks that are 15 gal. when actually you have the same old ones I do. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > > Paul, the way XL tanks set tipped forwards and about three inches higher out > board I suspect the finger filter gets almost all the fuel. But from bone dry > the tank will hit the overflow at about 11 gallons, maybe a tad more. Best to > you, Bill > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:13 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> 200 estimated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > > What payload will you have left if you carry 42 gallons of fuel? > > -- Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Bellach > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> > > That's about what I figure - I'll probably be lucky to get 42 gal. usable > out if my 4 so-called 12-gal. tanks. I do have the 12 gal., not 10 as I > previously said - I was mixed up at the time, thinking that you had the > newer tanks that are 15 gal. when actually you have the same old ones I do. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > > > > Paul, the way XL tanks set tipped forwards and about three inches higher > out > > board I suspect the finger filter gets almost all the fuel. But from > bone dry > > the tank will hit the overflow at about 11 gallons, maybe a tad more. > Best to > > you, Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:13 PM PST US From: William Jeffries Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries Robin, I would run a wire from the groud bus to the negative terminal that you would establish at the motor mount. From the negative terminal at the motor mount I would also use bonding straps to the fuselage, this will help eliminate radio interference. Always remember that electricity flow in the path of least resistance, so you want your ground buss to have a solid ground. Hope this helps, Bill Jeffries Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Bill, I'm planning a similar installation. Am I correct in assuming that when you ran the ground to bus that you also isolated jack from airframe and eliminated the old ground? --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:58 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: Zenith-List: Wheel Kits --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" It will be a while before I'm ready for them but, I started looking at wheel kits tonight. Anyone have any wisdom to share about what to look for. I'm wondering about the AZUSALITE wheels that are made of Zytel Nylon material. They are very light weight. Anyone using them? The kits all seem to come with drum brakes. Is there a disc brake system for these wheels? I checked the archives already and found nothing on alternatives to Matco. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:33 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower We all know that all electric fuel meters can give wrong readings... The only one I trust before every flight is this one: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/fuelhawkfuelgauge.php Got the Universal model ( part No. 13-00439) and I calibrated (in liters) ever 10 liters. Never fails. I also marked every estimated hour of fuel time. Saludos Gary Gower. 701 912S Craig Payne wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" I'll be measuring the capacity of my 601XL tanks very carefully when I calibrate my fuel gauges. I've got a three liter calibrated cylinder that stands about 3 feet high. So I'll be pouring gas into my (dry) tanks three liters at a time and entering the amount of fuel into my "poor man's" glass panel. http://www.mglavionics.co.za/ultraHXL.html Presumably at the end of filling the tanks I will know their true capacity. Then I will drain all the fuel out through the fuel lines, measure that and know the usable capacity. Good thing I don't smoke. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Bellach Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Seems to me for CG purposes you only need be concerned with the actual amount of fuel in the tank, and if you are the aircraft builder you are responsible for knowing the actual capacity and usable capacity and ZAC's estimates are moot. And speaking of capacity, I have four of the older ZAC tanks, for which they claim 10 gal. each - what have you guys who are farther along found to be the actual and usable capacities of those to be? ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > > Dear Thread friends, anybody notice that the twelve gallon ZAC tanks for the > XL actually have a capacity of about eleven gallons ? Seems like 12 pounds or > so forward of the CG missing might be something to be concerned about. Best to > you all, Bill > > ---------------------------------