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1. 04:37 AM - Re: New Airplane Subject (Kevin Thorp)
2. 05:04 AM - What a waste of bandwidth! (Jeff Small)
3. 05:17 AM - Steering rod boot seals (Robin Bellach)
4. 05:52 AM - Re: New Airplane Subject (Al Young)
5. 06:57 AM - Re: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity.601XL Fuel Tank (Bryan Martin)
6. 07:10 AM - Re: Where *is* Zenith building the Quick-build kits? (Bob Unternaehrer)
7. 07:10 AM - Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin (Bob Unternaehrer)
8. 07:13 AM - Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin (Bryan Martin)
9. 07:32 AM - Re: New Airplane Subject (Bob Unternaehrer)
10. 07:32 AM - Steering arm boots (Bob Unternaehrer)
11. 07:43 AM - Re: HD vs HDS (Larry McFarland)
12. 07:52 AM - Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin (Larry McFarland)
13. 08:12 AM - Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabinExhaust fumes in 601 cabin (Tommy Walker)
14. 08:26 AM - Exhaust fumes - CO Detectors (Robin Bellach)
15. 08:34 AM - Re: New Airplane Subject (Robin Bellach)
16. 08:42 AM - Re: Steering arm boots (Chuck Deiterich)
17. 08:54 AM - Re: Steering arm boots (Robin Bellach)
18. 09:03 AM - Looking for used Rotax 912 (michael burkhardt)
19. 10:03 AM - Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin (Kelly Meiste)
20. 11:25 AM - Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin (Larry McFarland)
21. 11:35 AM - Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin (RURUNY@aol.com)
22. 12:17 PM - Re: What a waste of bandwidth! (ivor.phillips)
23. 12:22 PM - Re: Steering arm boots (Bryan Martin)
24. 01:59 PM - Re: What a waste of bandwidth! (jnbolding1)
25. 04:04 PM - Re: What a waste of bandwidth! (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
26. 05:07 PM - Re: Warm Hangers and de-icing ... (E&M Bima)
27. 05:32 PM - Zenith 601XL Weight & Balance (Craig Spainhower)
28. 05:58 PM - Re: Zenith 601XL Weight & Balance (Jeff Davidson)
29. 06:07 PM - Corrosion Protection (lynn dingfelder)
30. 06:55 PM - Re: New Airplane Subject (Gary Gower)
31. 07:16 PM - Re: Corrosion Protection (Paul Moore)
32. 07:26 PM - Re: Corrosion Protection (Bill Pagan)
33. 07:33 PM - Re: Corrosion Protection (Josh)
34. 07:36 PM - LSA cruise speed. (Paul Mulwitz)
35. 07:40 PM - Re: Corrosion Protection (Paul Mulwitz)
36. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: Corrosion Protection (Bryan Martin)
37. 08:48 PM - Re: HD vs HDS (Randy Stout)
38. 09:23 PM - 701 With Lift Reserve Indicator (doug kandle)
39. 10:24 PM - Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin (xl)
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| Subject: | Re: New Airplane Subject |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Thorp <kevin@medamation.com>
Actually Steve, Mexico is in NORTH America, and yes there are a lot of
dirty, small, manufacturing plants there, but there are also a lot of
large modern clean factories that are on par with anything you'd find in
the Western world. Check out the Volkswagen plant in*, *Puebla, Mexico:
http://media.vw.com/photo_display.cfm?photo_id=1886&view=low_res
http://media.vw.com/photo_display.cfm?photo_id=1888&view=low_res
http://media.vw.com/photo_display.cfm?photo_id=1881&view=low_res
Vans has a manufacturing plant in the Far East. AviPro builds Bearhawk
kits in Mexico.
Maybe Zenith isn't creating a lot of publicity about their new operation
because they're worried people will be concerned about quality. Or
outsourcing jobs.
As far as quality, judging from the Zenith photos of their new plant and
assembly fixtures, it seems like they're running a very professional
operation.
I can't complain too much about outsourcing; I work in the US at a plant
owned by Germans!
Steve Hulland wrote:
>--> Not sure such a clean plant can easily be had in Mexico, SA.<--
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | What a waste of bandwidth! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Please, please, please tell me what FEMA has to do with a Zenith builders
site? This crap that's been ongoing for the past 24 hours is a disgrace; that
and everyone attaching all the old posts to their messages because they're
too lazy to snip or edit out. If you don't know how to edit things out then ask
a teenager.
Can't you guys read and courteously follow the list guidelines? Have you
ever read them? Some of you sure can write - about any BSZone topic that comes
along, but I sure as heck don't think you can read.
If you're capable and intelligent enough to build an airplane you can certainly
be polite enough to allow those of us who still HOPE this is a building
list to continue to see some evidence of that. This list has hundreds of subscribers,
not just the six or seven that have something to say about everything.
Ask yourself if what you are typing is important and relevant to all, if
it isn't then send it to the original poster or a friend, but don't post it here.
Thank you jeff
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org<mailto:cgalley@qcbc.org?subjectRe: Zenith 601XL Weight & Balance&replyto200512091728.jB9HSp54021235@mail.matronics.com>>
You obviously have not tried to deal with FEMA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net<mailto:p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net?subjectRe: Zenith 601XL Weight & Balance&replyto200512091728.jB9HSp54021235@mail.matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Zenith 601XL Weight & Balance
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net<mailto:p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net?subjectRe: Zenith 601XL Weight & Balance&replyto200512091728.jB9HSp54021235@mail.matronics.com>>
>
> The FAA has a long history of arbitrary and obviously wrong
> decisions. They have the distinction of being the worst government
> agency to work for. They also have a long history of managing
> airspace and aviation in such a way that it is, by far, the safest
> form of transportation in this country.
>
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| Subject: | Steering rod boot seals |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
I don't know about Honda boots, but I'd be interested. I'm thinking of
using the Yamaha boots that others have tried, but they seem to cost around
$60 total. Something cheaper that would do a good job and be an equally easy
install would be great. For the Yamaha snowmobile boots see Ben Haas email
of 3-8-03 in the archives, Subject: Bellows for steering rod seals.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:10 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
<craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Somewhere there is a picture of putting Honda (clutch, accelerator,
brake?)
> rubber boots on the steering links.
>
> Does anyone remember where I saw it? :-)
>
> As a back-up I also have one of these CO detectors:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/coguardian4.php
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sire
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
>
> After completing my rudder at the factory workshop in October, I took a
> demo ride with Nick in the factory 601XL. At times there was a very
> definite exhaust fume odor in the cabin (and I'm sure it had nothing to
do
> with my earlier lunch at Porky's Smokehouse). Nick said that sometimes
> happened at lower airspeeds. Does anyone else experience this in a
> 601XL? Are there any ways to better seal the nosewheel steering rods
> where they go through the firewall?
>
> Doug Sire
> 601XL - Rudder done awaiting kit
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Airplane Subject |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Craig- As I understand it the QB kits are being made in Argentina.
Al Young
601XL
Do not archive
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Capacity 601XL...
| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuel Tank Capacity.601XL Fuel Tank |
Capacity 601XL...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
The Fuel Hawk tester is a clear plastic rod with a small hole drilled
through the center with markings along its length. You stick it in the tank,
put your thumb over the end and pull it out to read the tank level. I
started out with a wooden stick like you did but I bought the Fuel Hawk
because I thought it would be easier to read. If you put the stick in the
tank with more fuel in it first and then tried to read the other tank it was
a little difficult to tell how much that tank held because the stick was
already damp from the first tank. It looks like I'll have to find my
original dip stick or make another because the Fuel Hawk fell apart.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 12/9/05 6:55 PM, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com at JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Bryan, some of us on the thread missed what you all are talking about. Is it
> a gas tank measuring device? What I did was ensure my XL's tanks were bone
> dry. Had the airport guy put in gas at 2 gallons at a time. Used paint stir
> sticks to measure how much each time and marked each. When full I did the
> other
> tank to confirm and transferred that to a single stick. Accurate to an oz. and
> was free at Home Depot. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
>
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| Subject: | Re: Where *is* Zenith building the Quick-build kits? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
I thought one of the Zenith people told me they were built in Canada AND the
Czech republic, but that may not be correct. Either way they are NOT in the
usa and that seems to be just a way of life today. I'm wondering if we
aren't patient that production will begin in Mexico Mo. ,,,,Maybe not. bob
U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Where *is* Zenith building the Quick-build kits?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Actually I'm a little confused by the captions on Zenith's web site. On
this
> page there are three "interesting" captions:
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/xl-qbk-photos1.html
>
> "Pre-jigging airframe kits at the Czech Aircraft Works factory."
> "Fuselage construction jig at the Aero Leaver factory"
> "Rotating Wing Construction Table at the Aero Leaver factory"
>
> The factory floor pictured in the "Czech Aircraft Works" photo doesn't
look
> like the one in the other two photos. One thing is clear: with captions
like
> these Zenith certainly isn't trying to hide anything.
>
> Maybe the QB kits are made at Aero Leaver while the complete LSA aircraft
> are built in the Czech Republic? Anyway I suspect backlogs for these two
> products may be shrinking in the near future. Has anyone compared delivery
> dates for the QB kit vs. the "traditional" kit lately?
>
> -- Craig
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Joe E. Can you give us the source and cost of the Co-2 detector. bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "xl" <xl@prosody.org>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
>
>
> I have a CO monitor that shows me the ppm CO in the cockpit.
> Parked on the ground, I'm sitting in a cloud of exhaust.
> I see on the order of 20 - 30 ppm CO. Higher when I taxi
> behind the heavies at BFI. Not a concern. Some fire departments
> use 40 ppm CO as the threshold for using protective gear.
>
> As I reported before, on the list, the CO detector probably
> saved my life when the stock Jabiru muffler failed and I
> had ~500 ppm CO in the cockpit (with no noticable exhaust odor).
> (The replacement stock muffler failed too. I'm using
> homemade mufflers now. When the 2nd stock muffler failed I was
> about 50nm from homebase. I decided to return home instead
> of landing early because my CO detector showed that it was
> safe. It turns out that the muffler had not totally failed.
> It was on its way, but because I was sensitized to the slight
> change in exhaust tone I caught the 2nd failure before it
> became catastrophic - unlike the first failure.)
>
> In cruise the CO detector reads 0.0 ppm.
> In slow flight I do see CO readings of about 50 ppm.
> Apparently, in cruise the airflow blows the exhaust away.
> At about 40 mph slow flight it does not do as good a job.
>
> I think that a whiff of exhaust odor is to be expected.
> But use a CO detector.
>
> Joe E
> N633Z @ BFI
> CH601XL 282 hours (yesterday's flight was awesome!)
> Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 49x64
>
>
> On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Doug Sire wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
> > After completing my rudder at the factory workshop in October, I took a
> > demo ride with Nick in the factory 601XL. At times there was a very
> > definite exhaust fume odor in the cabin (and I'm sure it had nothing to
do
> > with my earlier lunch at Porky's Smokehouse). Nick said that sometimes
> > happened at lower airspeeds. Does anyone else experience this in a
> > 601XL? Are there any ways to better seal the nosewheel steering rods
> > where they go through the firewall?
> >
> > Doug Sire
> > 601XL - Rudder done awaiting kit
> > do not archive
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I have found that air comes into my cabin from the tail cone through gaps
around the seats and the cable tunnel. It could be that in slow flight the
exhaust fumes could be flowing back along the fuselage and getting in to the
tail cone around the elevator openings with some exhaust configurations. I
have never smelled exhaust in my cabin. My steering slots are completely
sealed in flight. My steering rods go through bushings in steel shutters
that slide up in the slots when the nose gear retracts under weight.
http://home.comcast.net/~bryanmmartin/zoom_600.jpg
I do often have the odor of fuel in the cabin when I first get in it. I
think the fumes from the vented caps are finding there way into the wings
and down into the cabin near the wing root fuel line openings. I don't have
the openings around the fuel filler caps or the fuel line openings sealed up
well enough.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 12/10/05 2:33 AM, xl at xl@prosody.org wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
>
>
> In cruise the CO detector reads 0.0 ppm.
> In slow flight I do see CO readings of about 50 ppm.
> Apparently, in cruise the airflow blows the exhaust away.
> At about 40 mph slow flight it does not do as good a job.
>
> I think that a whiff of exhaust odor is to be expected.
> But use a CO detector.
>
> Joe E
> N633Z @ BFI
> CH601XL 282 hours (yesterday's flight was awesome!)
> Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 49x64
>
>
> On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Doug Sire wrote:
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
>> After completing my rudder at the factory workshop in October, I took a
>> demo ride with Nick in the factory 601XL. At times there was a very
>> definite exhaust fume odor in the cabin (and I'm sure it had nothing to do
>> with my earlier lunch at Porky's Smokehouse). Nick said that sometimes
>> happened at lower airspeeds. Does anyone else experience this in a
>> 601XL? Are there any ways to better seal the nosewheel steering rods
>> where they go through the firewall?
>>
>> Doug Sire
>> 601XL - Rudder done awaiting kit
>> do not archive
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Airplane Subject |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Man,,,Ain't this list great,,,we've got the QB kits being made all over the
world...ought to be a good supply quickly NOW. I'd just like to be able to
afford the extra cash to order one. Smile...Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Airplane Subject
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
>
> Craig- As I understand it the QB kits are being made in Argentina.
> Al Young
> 601XL
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Steering arm boots |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
<<< I don't know about Honda boots, but I'd be interested. I'm thinking of
using the Yamaha boots that others have tried, but they seem to cost around
$60 total. Something cheaper that would do a good job and be an equally easy
install would be great. For the Yamaha snowmobile boots see Ben Haas email
of 3-8-03 in the archives, >>>
Seems like a serious enough problem that Zenith piople might ought to include it
in the kit. Don't know if it would be cheaper or higher doing it that way,
but at least it would be consistant and a good design if they did it. I solved
the problem by going to a taildragger, but very few like that idea.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Randy,
I've flew with Kelly Meiste in his HD before I flew my HDS and was
impressed with the HD. Then flying my HDS for a period of
70 hours, I'd acquired perspective for the shorter wing without being
aware of a significant difference. Then we both lifted off from Clinton
with
his HD in front and a plan to fly side by side at altitude. With a
17-degree pitch, I could perhaps fly much faster, but no way could I gain
the altitude as rapidly as the HD. I had to ask Kelly to back off a bit
so I could climb up. Flying side by side we were o.k. but occasionally
if I slowed down too much, I had the sensation that the HDS was about to
drop out of the air. I felt we could do a trip together within overlapping
speeds without any difficulty. He can outclimb the HDS much more
effectively than I can outrun his on the top end. There's only
something like a 20-mph
difference. On performance, I like the HDS handling better because it
rolls quickly, approach and landings are steady without any float,
flares catch
enough ground cushion to make for greaser landings. Short fields of
1600 feet with corn standing at each end are doable, but would require more
practice for me in the HDS. If I flew from a grass strip of less than
2000 feet, I'd have built HD wings. We both have Stratus Subaru engines.
I believe
he is pitched at 15-1/2 degrees. If I were doing another set of wings,
I'd consider constant chord wings at a 24 foot span. Better lift at
middle speeds.
My HDS cruises easily at 4700 rpm and 120 mph and at 5100 rpm can reach
133 for 10 minutes until oil temps climb above my set limit of 235 Deg
F. (260 is max)
The HDS wings smooth out convective air better and I can trim to hands
off most days, but you only have to go higher for that. I think where
you land should
have the most impart to what wings you need.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Randy Stout wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
>
>
>I know a couple of you have considered changing your HD wings for HDS wings, or
vice versa. Do any of you have enough time flying with each type to describe
the differences? Did you loose/gain any climb, service ceiling, or any other
kind of performance? Did it make any difference in the handling? I'm thinking
about building a set of HDS wings to put on my HD. One of the things I'm hoping
to improve is a smoother ride. Those HD wings have a tendancy to bounce me around
pretty good on windy or hot days. I guess I need something to build again.
>
>Randy Stout
>n282rs@earthlink.net
>www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Craig,
I made a slider panel with a rubber grommet to seal each stearing arm
coming thru the firewall
and have had no exhaust or engine odors come in. Probably easier to
make and install and they
occupy less space in the pedal area.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Craig Payne wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
>Somewhere there is a picture of putting Honda (clutch, accelerator, brake?)
>rubber boots on the steering links.
>
>Does anyone remember where I saw it? :-)
>
>As a back-up I also have one of these CO detectors:
>
>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/coguardian4.php
>
>-- Craig
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabinExhaust fumes in 601 cabin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
Craig, I think if you search for Yamaha, you will find the boots. They are
also on the 601/701 sites I think.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Do Not Archive
Somewhere there is a picture of putting Honda (clutch, accelerator, brake?)
rubber boots on the steering links.
Does anyone remember where I saw it? :-)
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| Subject: | Exhaust fumes - CO Detectors |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Anyone considering whether to use a CO monitor, or considering which one
to use, should see Mike Bush's Avweb article:
http://avweb.com/news/aeromed/186016-1.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
To: "Zenith List" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin
<bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> I have found that air comes into my cabin from the tail cone through
gaps
> around the seats and the cable tunnel. It could be that in slow flight
the
> exhaust fumes could be flowing back along the fuselage and getting in to
the
> tail cone around the elevator openings with some exhaust configurations.
I
> have never smelled exhaust in my cabin. My steering slots are completely
> sealed in flight. My steering rods go through bushings in steel shutters
> that slide up in the slots when the nose gear retracts under weight.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~bryanmmartin/zoom_600.jpg
>
> I do often have the odor of fuel in the cabin when I first get in it. I
> think the fumes from the vented caps are finding there way into the
wings
> and down into the cabin near the wing root fuel line openings. I don't
have
> the openings around the fuel filler caps or the fuel line openings
sealed up
> well enough.
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> do not archive.
>
>
> on 12/10/05 2:33 AM, xl at xl@prosody.org wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
>>
>>
>> In cruise the CO detector reads 0.0 ppm.
>> In slow flight I do see CO readings of about 50 ppm.
>> Apparently, in cruise the airflow blows the exhaust away.
>> At about 40 mph slow flight it does not do as good a job.
>>
>> I think that a whiff of exhaust odor is to be expected.
>> But use a CO detector.
>>
>> Joe E
>> N633Z @ BFI
>> CH601XL 282 hours (yesterday's flight was awesome!)
>> Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 49x64
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Doug Sire wrote:
>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
>>> After completing my rudder at the factory workshop in October, I took
a
>>> demo ride with Nick in the factory 601XL. At times there was a very
>>> definite exhaust fume odor in the cabin (and I'm sure it had nothing
to do
>>> with my earlier lunch at Porky's Smokehouse). Nick said that
sometimes
>>> happened at lower airspeeds. Does anyone else experience this in a
>>> 601XL? Are there any ways to better seal the nosewheel steering rods
>>> where they go through the firewall?
>>>
>>> Doug Sire
>>> 601XL - Rudder done awaiting kit
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Airplane Subject |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
I heard they were made in Columbia by Aero-Mercantil Leaver y Cia in
Bogota.
And for a little extra you can get it shipped with all the tubing parts
stuffed with special preservative white powder.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Airplane Subject
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
> Man,,,Ain't this list great,,,we've got the QB kits being made all over
the
> world...ought to be a good supply quickly NOW. I'd just like to be able
to
> afford the extra cash to order one. Smile...Bob U.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Airplane Subject
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
>>
>> Craig- As I understand it the QB kits are being made in Argentina.
>> Al Young
>> 601XL
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Steering arm boots |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Bob,
I have a friend who is building a Sonex. He took some fiber glass cloth,
fashioned a boot and impregnated it with silicon cement, some of this stuff
is high temp as well. It is flexible and air tight, for a lot less than
$60.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
> <<< I don't know about Honda boots, but I'd be interested. I'm thinking of
> using the Yamaha boots that others have tried, but they seem to cost
around
> $60 total.
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| Subject: | Re: Steering arm boots |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Yes, I think the baffle material ZAC suggests is a shameful solution, and
something suitable should be kit included. McFarlane offers some Cessna
boots that might work very well
(http://www.mcfarlane-aviation.com/Products/?CategoryID=124&ID=66874944&PartNumber=MC0543015-6),
but too pricey for me to try.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
To: "Zenith List" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:18 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Steering arm boots
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
> <<< I don't know about Honda boots, but I'd be interested. I'm thinking
of
> using the Yamaha boots that others have tried, but they seem to cost
around
> $60 total. Something cheaper that would do a good job and be an equally
easy
> install would be great. For the Yamaha snowmobile boots see Ben Haas
email
> of 3-8-03 in the archives, >>>
>
> Seems like a serious enough problem that Zenith piople might ought to
include it in the kit. Don't know if it would be cheaper or higher doing it
that way, but at least it would be consistant and a good design if they did
it. I solved the problem by going to a taildragger, but very few like that
idea.
>
> Blue Skies
> Bob Unternaehrer
> shilocom@mcmsys.com
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| Subject: | Looking for used Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
If any of the members of the zenith list know of a
good used 912, that the service bulletins have been
complied? Please let me know. Prefer west coast, low
to midtime. Thanks, Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kelly Meiste" <kellymeiste@jcwifi.com>
Can you give us the source and cost of the Co-2 detector. bob U.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Got mine Kiddie Nighthawk off eBay (new w/ bat included) for about $18.
My tri-gear with slightly worn steering slots gives me peak readings of
about 30 ppm during ground warm up. And during flight I normally read 0 ppm
with an occasional peak of about 25 ppm.
Manual says not much cause for concern unless you get up into the 100 + ppm
range.
Kelly Meiste
601 HD Stratus
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Kelly,
I've got to get one of those CO2 readers...... but for steering rod seals,
if you want to go with something simple to install, I made a 4-sided
capture slide-link that permits the slider to
move up and down, left to right a little between two sheets and seals
with a rubber grommet the same size as the steering rod.
You can goop between the assembly and the firewall and it's only a
2-bolt affair. If the grommet
begins to wear, just replace it. See links to pictures below.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/steer-rod-air-barrier.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/steer-rod-air-barrier-2.gif
Larry McFarland - 601HDS Stratus at www.macsmachine.com
Kelly Meiste wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kelly Meiste" <kellymeiste@jcwifi.com>
>
>Can you give us the source and cost of the Co-2 detector. bob U.
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Got mine Kiddie Nighthawk off eBay (new w/ bat included) for about $18.
>My tri-gear with slightly worn steering slots gives me peak readings of
>about 30 ppm during ground warm up. And during flight I normally read 0 ppm
>with an occasional peak of about 25 ppm.
>Manual says not much cause for concern unless you get up into the 100 + ppm
>range.
>
>Kelly Meiste
>601 HD Stratus
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Doug,
This is what I did and worked out fine. Only part of my firewall that is not
sealed off is around
throttle exit. For the steering rods follow the link for parts and
instructions.
For my 701 I made my own brackets from scrap and had to cut the boot down 1
layer to get
them to fit snug. You might have to do this for your XL. This is a Ben Haas
Idea for an 801.
_http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Benford2@aol.com.1.03.08.2003/_
(http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Benford2@aol.com.1.03.08.2003/)
Brian Unruh
_http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/pm.cgi?login=bunruh&ID=21433&ID=21433&actio
n=display_
(http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/pm.cgi?login=bunruh&ID=21433&ID=21433&action=display)
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| Subject: | Re: What a waste of bandwidth! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Jeff
What about adding DO NOT ARCHIVE as well!
> Can't you guys read and courteously follow the list guidelines? Have
> you ever read them? Some of you sure can write - about any BSZone topic
> that comes along, but I sure as heck don't think you can read.
>
> If you're capable and intelligent enough to build an airplane you can
> certainly be polite enough to allow those of us who still HOPE this is a
> building list to continue to see some evidence of that. This list has
> hundreds of subscribers, not just the six or seven that have something to
> say about everything.
>
> Ask yourself if what you are typing is important and relevant to all,
> if it isn't then send it to the original poster or a friend, but don't
> post it here.
>
> regards
Ivor Phillips
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Steering arm boots |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
My steering slots are completely sealed in flight. My steering rods go
through bushings in steel shutters that slide up in the slots when the nose
gear retracts under weight. This arrangement takes up no space and the parts
were very inexpensive. The steel strips were free (discarded packaging
bands) and I think I paid a couple of bucks at ACE Hardware for the shims
between the steel strips and the firewall and a couple dozen stainless Pop
rivets.
http://home.comcast.net/~bryanmmartin/zoom_600.jpg
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: What a waste of bandwidth! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
WHAT ABOUT TRIMMING YOUR POSTS!!! Fully 80% of the posts have 2-4 COMPLETE previous
posts underneath, how about it guys, lets follow the rules. LOW&SLOW
John
>Jeff
>
>What about adding DO NOT ARCHIVE as well!
>
>
>> Can't you guys read and courteously follow the list guidelines? Have
>> you ever read them? Some of you sure can write - about any BSZone topic
>> that comes along, but I sure as heck don't think you can read.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: What a waste of bandwidth! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
<<<<< WHAT ABOUT TRIMMING YOUR POSTS!!! Fully 80% of the posts have 2-4
COMPLETE previous posts underneath... >>>
Amen!!!!
Dave
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | RE: Warm Hangers and de-icing ... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "E&M Bima" <embima@mts.net>
You take your bird in from the cold and put it in a warm (above freezing)
hanger. The snow and frost turns into water.
A few days later you pull it out into the freezing air and prep it for
take-off.
Any chance that the controls can freeze up? Yah. It has happenned before.
Please verfify "Controls Free and Correct" just after run-up and before
take-off. Avoid becoming a crash video that is debated for authenticity
(Gimli Caribou airplane crash - not a freezing issue, but pilot did not
check Free and Correct)
De-icing fluid is not enviromentally friendly, so check with your local
airport owner if he/she wants this stuff spilled on the apron/lawn.
Best compromised I have seen is a sock over every flying surface and the
canopy. A bit bulky when removed, but is ussually folded into storage
easily enough.
My 2 cents,
Martin
www.mts.net/~embima
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| Subject: | Zenith 601XL Weight & Balance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Spainhower <n601xs@comcast.net>
Bryan,
Thanks for bringing a little sanity back to this thread. Yes the
wings won't depart the
airplane at Vne, it is well below the value that you would have to
worry about the
onset of control surface flutter. I don't think that's a concern in
level flight anyway with
any engine qualified for the 601. The answer to how a plane that may be
able to
achieve 170+ mph (or anything over 135 mph) could be considered as SP
compliant
is two-fold. The top cruise speed is based on sea level (indicated
airspeed) and true
airspeed at altitude would be higher. Also, as discussed in an article
that used to be
highlighted on the Zenith website, the use of a climb prop or (for
adjustable props) a
climb setting to limit top speed is acceptable. There is absolutely no
reason you couldn't
flight test your experimental using a lower speed, better climb
adjustment to achieve
the sport plane top cruise speed value and re-pitch the prop for faster
cruise when
using a valid Private license. That may not be true for an SLSA or ELSA,
which the
601XL currently is not, just Sport Plane compliant. As far as making
any major
change after it's SP compliant, the rule specifically states that one a
plane, Certified
or Experimental, has been modified to increase the gross weight, top
cruise or stall
speeds beyond the SP limits, it can never be consider SP compliant even
if returned
to original condition. (Replacing/repitching a prop is not by definition
a modification)
Craig Spainhower
N601XS, 601xl 0-235 lyc, 90% complete 90% to go
The published Vne of the 601XL is 180 mph. By definition, that means
that 180 mph
is 90% of the maximum speed the airplane has been tested at. I can tell
you from
personal experience that the XL will fly at 200 mph without losing the
wings. You have
to put it into a fairly steep dive to do it. But it will do it. I
wouldn't recommend it on a
routine basis though.
-- Bryan Martin
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| Subject: | Zenith 601XL Weight & Balance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Re: "There is absolutely no reason you couldn't flight test your
experimental using a lower speed, better climb adjustment to achieve the
sport plane top cruise speed value and re-pitch the prop for faster cruise
when using a valid Private license. That may not be true for an SLSA or
ELSA, which the 601XL currently is not, just Sport Plane compliant."
Craig,
I expect Jim to jump in here pretty soon as he has in his possession
the first 601XL SLSA aircraft. As far as re-pitching the prop for a private
pilot to get better top end than the LSA limit, I don't see how that would
possible and still meet the LSA criteria ever after. As soon as the
aircraft is equipped and the limitations changed to allow the higher speed
for the Private pilot, it no longer meets the LSA criteria and cannot be
flown by a Sport Pilot. I too think that it is very dangerous to us all to
try to find a way around the Sport Pilot/Light Sport Aircraft rules.
Jeff Davidson
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| Subject: | Corrosion Protection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
What are most builders using for interior corrosion protection? I've
found little in the archives. It appears that the Alodine 1201 treatment will
be sufficient for my upper midwest location, without the additional weight and
complication of a zinc type primer. Is there a better (more economical) way
/ place to purchase the Alodine and Alumiprep 33 than Aircraft Spruce and Wicks?
Lynn Dingfelder
Corry,
PA
601 XL
/ Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: New Airplane Subject |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Thank you very much Kevin, Is difcult to understand that there are still people
in USA that think that Mexico is like in the Cowboys movies of John Wayne...
Saludos
Gary Gower
Guadalajara, Mexico.
Do not Archive.
Kevin Thorp <kevin@medamation.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Thorp
Actually Steve, Mexico is in NORTH America, and yes there are a lot of
dirty, small, manufacturing plants there, but there are also a lot of
large modern clean factories that are on par with anything you'd find in
the Western world. Check out the Volkswagen plant in*, *Puebla, Mexico:
http://media.vw.com/photo_display.cfm?photo_id=1886&view=low_res
http://media.vw.com/photo_display.cfm?photo_id=1888&view=low_res
http://media.vw.com/photo_display.cfm?photo_id=1881&view=low_res
Vans has a manufacturing plant in the Far East. AviPro builds Bearhawk
kits in Mexico.
Maybe Zenith isn't creating a lot of publicity about their new operation
because they're worried people will be concerned about quality. Or
outsourcing jobs.
As far as quality, judging from the Zenith photos of their new plant and
assembly fixtures, it seems like they're running a very professional
operation.
I can't complain too much about outsourcing; I work in the US at a plant
owned by Germans!
Steve Hulland wrote:
>--> Not sure such a clean plant can easily be had in Mexico, SA.<--
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| Subject: | Corrosion Protection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
I live in the desert SW but I'm still going all the way on corrosion
protection because one never knows what might happen in an aircraft's
history.
I'm washing all parts with Dawn and scotch bright pads to degrease and swirl
the surface for paint adhesion, Metalprep 79 wash, Alodine 1001 wash, then
zinc chromate on all mating surfaces. I will easily finish the entire
airframe with 1 gallon of Metalprep concentrate ($15) and 1 gallon of
Alodine concentrate ($15). Certainly well within my plane building budget
considering the benefit.
I've seen comments on the list that Alodine without a tank is worthless but
I disagree - it's relatively easy to get full, even coverage with the wash
if done correctly, and easy to see and rectify when it's not working.
Paul
XL - O200
-----Original Message-----
From: lynn dingfelder
What are most builders using for interior corrosion protection?
I've found little in the archives. Is there a better (more economical) way
/ place to purchase the Alodine and Alumiprep 33 than Aircraft Spruce and
Wicks?
Lynn
Dingfelder
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Pagan <pdn8r@yahoo.com>
Hi Lynn,
Should be plenty of "primer wars" in the archives but since you posted your message
get ready for the onslaught as many builders have very strong opinions about
priming, not priming and what to prime with. I used the Sherwin Williams
GBP 988 self etching primer on my RV-8A but will most likley get flamed just for
saying that. :-)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Bill Pagan
Florida
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/9749/william.html
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Josh" <dvoverdt@hotmail.com>
Everyone on the list will give you a different opinion on what to use for
interior corrosion protection. I believe it has been discussed many times
and those discussions should be in the archives.
I am using DP48LF two part epoxy primer from PPG on all interior mating
surfaces. This is applied with a spray gun after acid etching and roughing
up the surface with scotchbrite.
I get my aluminum "cleaner" (acid etch) from my local PPG distributor. The
number is DX533 it was about $12 for a quart last time I bought some. Mixes
up to make a gallon of usable product.
I also bought aluminum conditioner (alodine) from PPG part number DX501
which was about 13 dollars for a quart which makes a half gallon when mixed
with water.
Hope this helps.
Josh
601XL
> What are most builders using for interior corrosion protection?
I've found little in the archives. It appears that the Alodine 1201
treatment will be sufficient for my upper midwest location, without the
additional weight and complication of a zinc type primer. Is there a better
(more economical) way / place to purchase the Alodine and Alumiprep 33 than
Aircraft Spruce and Wicks?
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| Subject: | LSA cruise speed. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
There is another factor to the LSA ultimate cruise speed issue -
Maximum Continuous Power.
In many cases, Maximum Continuous Power is an arbitrary power setting
under control of builders of experimental aircraft. Even if there is
a "Blessed" value for max. continuous power, there is nothing to
prevent any pilot from operating the engine at a higher power setting
and reaching somewhat higher airspeeds. This may have negative
impacts on the fuel consumption and expected lifespan of the engine,
but it doesn't violate any of the FAA rules. Indeed, it is very
common to operate high performance planes at maximum power for
take-off and reduce power for cruise.
One other performance issue I intend to experiment with when my XL is
in testing is a ground adjustable propeller. It may well be possible
to choose a setting that produces a high cruise speed at the expense
of runway length needs. Such settings could be readjusted for any
given flight to match the requirements of that flight. (I would
gladly pay the price for a constant speed propeller if not for the
need for a medical certificate to go along with it.)
Paul
XL wings
At 05:31 PM 12/10/2005, you wrote:
>The answer to how a plane that may be able to achieve 170+ mph (or
>anything over 135 mph) could be considered as SP compliant is
>two-fold. The top cruise speed is based on sea level (indicated
>airspeed) and true airspeed at altitude would be higher.
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I'm not using any corrosion control on internal parts. This is based
on recommendation from Joe Norris of EAA suggesting such treatment is
only really needed for planes based in harsh smog or salt-air
environments found near oceans. I do plan to paint the exterior of my plane.
Paul
XL wings
> What are most builders using for interior corrosion
> protection? I've found little in the archives. It appears that the
> Alodine 1201 treatment will be sufficient for my upper midwest
> location, without the additional weight and complication of a zinc
> type primer. Is there a better (more economical) way / place to
> purchase the Alodine and Alumiprep 33 than Aircraft Spruce and Wicks?
>
>Lynn Dingfelder
>
>Corry, PA
>
>601 XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I don't know why you would get flamed for that. The RV8 is made of 2024
alloy which has a relatively low corrosion resistance. The pure aluminum
cladding protects the outside but it definitely needs some kind of interior
corrosion protection added. The Zenith aircraft are made of 6064 allow which
has a relatively high corrosion resistance. The Zeniths don't really need
any additional corrosion protection unless they live in a corrosion prone
environment. It is usually recommended that the areas where riveted sheets
come together get some kind of anti-corrosion treatment though at a minimum.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 12/10/05 10:25 PM, Bill Pagan at pdn8r@yahoo.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Pagan <pdn8r@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Lynn,
>
> Should be plenty of "primer wars" in the archives but since you posted your
> message get ready for the onslaught as many builders have very strong opinions
> about priming, not priming and what to prime with. I used the Sherwin
> Williams GBP 988 self etching primer on my RV-8A but will most likley get
> flamed just for saying that. :-)
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Thanks Larry
You didn't make the decision any easier though. Have you loaded you plane
up to 1300 lbs? If I'm by myself, I can keep the gross weight to 1200 lbs
or less. When I go on a cross country with my wife, it goes up to nearly
1300 lbs. I'm afraid I'd lose a significant amount of climb at that weight
with the HDS wings.
You are right about climbing above the turbulence and I usually do, but
there is frequently too low of a ceiling to do that. Plus I have to land in
the turbulence. Landings can get real interesting.
Maybe I'll just think about it some more and hopefully see ya'll at the
Open Hangar in August.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/10/2005 9:43:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD vs HDS
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Randy,
> I've flew with Kelly Meiste in his HD before I flew my HDS and was
> impressed with the HD. Then flying my HDS for a period of
> 70 hours, I'd acquired perspective for the shorter wing without being
> aware of a significant difference. Then we both lifted off from Clinton
> with
> his HD in front and a plan to fly side by side at altitude. With a
> 17-degree pitch, I could perhaps fly much faster, but no way could I gain
> the altitude as rapidly as the HD. I had to ask Kelly to back off a bit
> so I could climb up. Flying side by side we were o.k. but occasionally
> if I slowed down too much, I had the sensation that the HDS was about to
> drop out of the air. I felt we could do a trip together within
overlapping
> speeds without any difficulty. He can outclimb the HDS much more
> effectively than I can outrun his on the top end. There's only
> something like a 20-mph
> difference. On performance, I like the HDS handling better because it
> rolls quickly, approach and landings are steady without any float,
> flares catch
> enough ground cushion to make for greaser landings. Short fields of
> 1600 feet with corn standing at each end are doable, but would require
more
> practice for me in the HDS. If I flew from a grass strip of less than
> 2000 feet, I'd have built HD wings. We both have Stratus Subaru engines.
> I believe
> he is pitched at 15-1/2 degrees. If I were doing another set of wings,
> I'd consider constant chord wings at a 24 foot span. Better lift at
> middle speeds.
> My HDS cruises easily at 4700 rpm and 120 mph and at 5100 rpm can reach
> 133 for 10 minutes until oil temps climb above my set limit of 235 Deg
> F. (260 is max)
> The HDS wings smooth out convective air better and I can trim to hands
> off most days, but you only have to go higher for that. I think where
> you land should
> have the most impart to what wings you need.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> do not archive
>
> Randy Stout wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
> >
> >
> >I know a couple of you have considered changing your HD wings for HDS
wings, or vice versa. Do any of you have enough time flying with each type
to describe the differences? Did you loose/gain any climb, service ceiling,
or any other kind of performance? Did it make any difference in the
handling? I'm thinking about building a set of HDS wings to put on my HD.
One of the things I'm hoping to improve is a smoother ride. Those HD wings
have a tendancy to bounce me around pretty good on windy or hot days. I
guess I need something to build again.
> >
> >Randy Stout
> >n282rs@earthlink.net
> >www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
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| Subject: | 701 With Lift Reserve Indicator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
I purchased a LRI at Oshkosh this past summer. I am about to
assemble my second wing and want to mount the LRI plate while I am
building the wing.
Has anyone mounted a LRI on a 701 wing? If so, where did you mount
it (how far back from the leading edge, how far out on the
wing)? Did you just add an inspection plate or do something else?
And finally, how is it working for you?
Do Not Archive
Doug Kandle
CH701
Boise ID
Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done Working on 2nd Wing
Jabiru 2200
From complete kit
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust fumes in 601 cabin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
This is the one I'm using.
The PPM display and peak level button are good features.
I attach the 9V battery during preflight. The battery lasts for ~20 hours.
(Yes, I could install a switch or wire it into the panel....)
The LED readout is large enough to easily read but washes out in
direct sunlight. The alarm is easily heard with a headset on.
Kidde Carbon Monoxide Alarm
Model: 900-0076-16 $48.96
Danger Level display - (flashes)
Peak Level button recalls highest level
Loud alarm awakening signal
Protection during power outage, 9 volt battery back-up
Plug-in model with bonus battery back-up
Test/Reset button
Joe E
N633Z @ BFI, CH601XL
283 hours
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Bob Unternaehrer wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
> Joe E. Can you give us the source and cost of the Co-2 detector. bob U.
> do not archive
>
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