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1. 01:57 AM - Re: Level table ()
2. 04:14 AM - Re: dimpe die (Dave Austin)
3. 04:56 AM - dimple die (alex trent)
4. 05:21 AM - More "Level Table" (Zed Smith)
5. 05:24 AM - Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair (Dave & Doretta New)
6. 05:38 AM - Re: Level table (John Flavin)
7. 05:52 AM - Re: More "Level Table" (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
8. 07:38 AM - Re: dimpe die (Jean-Paul Roy)
9. 08:56 AM - Re: fuel system questions (Carlos Sa)
10. 10:29 AM - leveling the table (Brett Hanley)
11. 11:08 AM - new to the list (Ben Ramler)
12. 11:19 AM - Re: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair (Larry McFarland)
13. 11:26 AM - Re: new to the list (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
14. 12:00 PM - Re: new to the list (Ben Ramler)
15. 12:01 PM - Re: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
16. 12:15 PM - Re: More "Level Table". By design, "Flat for the 701." (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
17. 12:24 PM - Re: new to the list (Larry McFarland)
18. 12:28 PM - Re: new to the list (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
19. 12:59 PM - Re: and we wonder why we lose airports ()
20. 01:11 PM - Re: new to the list (zodie rocket)
21. 01:23 PM - Re: dimple die (lynn dingfelder)
22. 01:55 PM - All seriousness aside...... (Zed Smith)
23. 01:59 PM - Re: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair (B Johnson)
24. 02:14 PM - Re: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
25. 02:54 PM - Re: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair (jnbolding1)
26. 03:17 PM - Re: dimple die (bill naumuk)
27. 03:23 PM - Re: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair (Larry McFarland)
28. 03:33 PM - Re: fuel system questions (Bryan Martin)
29. 03:36 PM - Re: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair (bill naumuk)
30. 04:46 PM - Re: new to the list (Tony & Peggy Pierce)
31. 05:07 PM - Re: All seriousness aside...... (N5SL)
32. 05:13 PM - Zenith-list: hds.corvair (David Alberti)
33. 06:43 PM - Re: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
34. 07:11 PM - Re: Zenith-list: hds.corvair (Paul Mulwitz)
35. 07:46 PM - Re: new to the list (Craig Payne)
36. 08:08 PM - Re: Zenith-list: hds.corvair (Craig Payne)
37. 09:00 PM - Re: and we wonder why we lose airports (Steve Hulland)
38. 09:37 PM - Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair (Paul Moore)
39. 09:39 PM - Re: and we wonder why we lose airports (Mike)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <max.johansson@nokia.com>
<clip>
> How do others' level their table? Wings.. etc.
> would a water level be accurate enough you think?
> thanks
> mike
Mike, having a table that folds up against the garage wall
has given me some experience. I have like you a laser leveller,
digital angle meter and water levellers available, but after
the first months I have never bothered with anything else than
a simple water leveller to adjust the table by putting thin
slices of wwod under the table feet. The precision is enough but
what is more important is to measure at several places in order
to guard against any twist of the table surface.
rgrds Max, 701 builder in Helsinki
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
I have 3/32, 1/8 and 5/32 dimple dies I don't need any more. Also the Avery
rivet and die squeezer.
Send me a msg off line.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
they son't show a die that can be used in a pop rivet tool.
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>Time: 07:28:05 PM PST US
>From: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: dimpe die
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>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
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>www.aircraft-tool.com
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>do not archive
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| Subject: | More "Level Table" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Gentlemen:
One item is being overlooked in the "work table" discussion.
After determining that the work surface is "flat", one should raise the outboard
end of the table by an amount equal to the desired wing dihedral in the finished
product.
Reverse the process for the other wing.
Mark the sides of the table as to "fore" and "aft", and "left" and "right", so
you don't end up with opposing dihedral. This condition is detrimental to good
flight characteristics.
This, and other neat info, can be found on Page 13 of the ZAC Manual. (the Zed's
Airplane College Manual).
Only eight more shopping days 'til Christmas. Your local diamond merchant can
explain how to safely continue building airplanes.
Regards to all,
Zed/701/R912/90+%/etc
do not archive!!
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| Subject: | Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Doretta New" <ddnew@nebmail.com>
List
Are there many with 601 HDS and corvair power? If so, Could you report on empty
weight and performance numbers. I have a 601 HDS taildragger N928dn appox 160
hrs. Empty weight 725 lbs. three way GPS ground speed average 129 mph @4550 rpm.
Empty weight went up with larger radiator and 2 oil coolers.
Been reading all the info about corvair power. Have not found any thing about the
empty weight and performance numbers. Been thinking about converting to Corvair
but would like some real world numbers from people who have done it. Even
Willam Wynne has not posted any performance numbers. Only that his 601XL cruses
about 130 mph. Have read in the magazines that several people have converted
there KR's from Subaru over to corvair and saved weight. So if anybody is flying
a HDS with Corvair could you help me out. The Corvair intrest me, But converting
over would be a lot of work.
Thank you
Dave New
601 HDS Taildragger
N928DN
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Flavin" <jf701@bellsouth.net>
Definitely need a good flat (not necessarily level) table before you start. Makes
all the difference in the world keeping twist out of the airfoils. I ended
up using a water level and shims under the legs to level the tabletop all around
the edges. Then I put a sheet of 5/16" plywood on top and used a taut string
and also a straight piece of light angle-iron to check for flatness. I
slid shims under the plywood as required to take out the ripple. Has worked
great. If you are careful to use flat stock for propping up the assemblies as
you build, you never have to worry about twist again.
John Flavin
Raleigh, NC
CH701STOL tail, wings done working on flaperons and slats
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| Subject: | Re: More "Level Table" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
<<<< Mark the sides of the table as to "fore" and "aft", and "left" and
"right", so you don't end up with opposing dihedral. This condition is
detrimental to good flight characteristics. >>>>>
<<<<< Only eight more shopping days 'til Christmas. Your local diamond
merchant can explain how to safely continue building airplanes. >>>>
Too Funny!!!! :-)
Dave
601XL/Corvair
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
Alex, this is what I read on this list several days back:
"Another possible countersink solution for minimal usage is dimple die sets
that are pulled with a "pop" riveter. www.aircraft-tool.com
has them for $5.95 each in 3/32 and 1/8, part no. 5102D-3/32 and -1/8. They
are 100 deg. for solid rivets"
Hope this helps
Jean-Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "alex trent" <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: dimpe die
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
>
> Does anyone know where one can purchase a 3/32" dimple die for a "pop
> rivet puller"?
> I have a 1/8" that I picked up at Oshkosh several years back but I now
> need 3/32".
> alex
>
>
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| Subject: | fuel system questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Frank, where would I need the flex hose?
I thought you could run aluminum all the way from the tanks to the engine?
Carlos
do not archive
"Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List
message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
...
Note the tube is for rigid installation...I.e you still need flex hose
which brings up the question of how to connect it.
...
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| Subject: | leveling the table |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com>
Leveling the table isn't that big a deal. You should
be able to get within 0.03 with this method in less
than ten minutes. That's more than close enough. This
isnt going to be a fighter jet!!
Just use a quality four foot carpenters level. Start
at the middle and level it crosswise then work out to
the ends. Once done you should be able to put your
level on the table anywhere and it will read level.
Flat is much more important than level. Level is
handy if you want to use a spirit type protractor to
set some of the angles.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
Hello Zenith Builders and Flyers,
My name's Ben Ramler. I live in Granite Falls, MN which is 140 miles due west
of mpls. I'm thinking about getting my sport pilot lic. so I can go flying.
Right now the only way for me to do that is to build an airplane first. Anyways
my next question is this.. Who on the list is either building or flying a CH-701?
What I'd like to know is what does airplane handle like, is it a forgiving
aircraft? How was the construction of it? that kind of stuff. The reason I'm
not looking at the 601 is because you can't see below and I'd like to see below
me.
thanks & Merry Christmas
Ben Ramler
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Dave,
I too fly an HDS and still occasionally look at the Corvair. It's an
excellent engine. It should definitely go faster, but
not sure how much. Soon to arrive in early 2006 is the all new 3000
engine, (no VW parts) from Revmaster.
Air or water cooled with turbo as option starting at less than $10K.
110 hp and much simpler than the
Rotax or Subaru. Just see the article at this link. Contact Magazine
did a great piece on it and it
had been supercharged to 400 hp just to proof the mechanicals, in
development testing before user flight
evaluations which are now under way. This one will influence the price
of the current 100 HP market and it's
an all new engine from the centerline out. Weight 205 lbs.
.
http://www.revmasteraviation.com/products/under_development/
Larry McFarland - 601HDS - Stratus Subaru - 730 lbs, Cruise 125 mph at 4700.
at www.macsmachine.com
Dave & Doretta New wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Doretta New" <ddnew@nebmail.com>
>
>
>List
>Are there many with 601 HDS and corvair power? If so, Could you report on empty
weight and performance numbers. I have a 601 HDS taildragger N928dn appox 160
hrs. Empty weight 725 lbs. three way GPS ground speed average 129 mph @4550
rpm. Empty weight went up with larger radiator and 2 oil coolers.
>Been reading all the info about corvair power. Have not found any thing about
the empty weight and performance numbers. Been thinking about converting to Corvair
but would like some real world numbers from people who have done it. Even
Willam Wynne has not posted any performance numbers. Only that his 601XL cruses
about 130 mph. Have read in the magazines that several people have converted
there KR's from Subaru over to corvair and saved weight. So if anybody is flying
a HDS with Corvair could you help me out. The Corvair intrest me, But converting
over would be a lot of work.
>Thank you
>Dave New
>601 HDS Taildragger
>N928DN
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
If you want a deal you can often find one already built for less than it
will cost to build your own.
Of course you won't be able to sign off on your own annual inspections
but it will be proven and can represent quite a deal.
Shame you don't want a low...My HDS is almost for sale..:)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Ramler
Subject: Zenith-List: new to the list
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
Hello Zenith Builders and Flyers,
My name's Ben Ramler. I live in Granite Falls, MN which is 140 miles
due west of mpls. I'm thinking about getting my sport pilot lic. so I
can go flying. Right now the only way for me to do that is to build an
airplane first. Anyways my next question is this.. Who on the list is
either building or flying a CH-701? What I'd like to know is what does
airplane handle like, is it a forgiving aircraft? How was the
construction of it? that kind of stuff. The reason I'm not looking at
the 601 is because you can't see below and I'd like to see below me.
thanks & Merry Christmas
Ben Ramler
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
Nice idea frank but however in a low wing you can't really see anything though
below you or can you? maybe I'm worng?
"Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List
message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
If you want a deal you can often find one already built for less than it
will cost to build your own.
Of course you won't be able to sign off on your own annual inspections
but it will be proven and can represent quite a deal.
Shame you don't want a low...My HDS is almost for sale..:)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Ramler
Subject: Zenith-List: new to the list
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ben Ramler
Hello Zenith Builders and Flyers,
My name's Ben Ramler. I live in Granite Falls, MN which is 140 miles
due west of mpls. I'm thinking about getting my sport pilot lic. so I
can go flying. Right now the only way for me to do that is to build an
airplane first. Anyways my next question is this.. Who on the list is
either building or flying a CH-701? What I'd like to know is what does
airplane handle like, is it a forgiving aircraft? How was the
construction of it? that kind of stuff. The reason I'm not looking at
the 601 is because you can't see below and I'd like to see below me.
thanks & Merry Christmas
Ben Ramler
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| Subject: | Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hi Larry,
Yes an airrcooled engine will definatly be faster than a water cooled
unit, as you say the question is "how much"?
Considering the HD/HDS cruise in the order of 100mph, an Rv around 200.
Rumour has it that a water cooled motor in an RV will cost you 20MPH at
cruise.
Going from 100 to 200mph the drag is of course is multiplied by a factor
of 4.
So going water cooled to aircooled at 100mph is...20/4 =5mph....
I.e not much
If I were keeping the HDS I bet there are better drag reduction
opportunities than a new engine would provide, so personally I would
start there. The huge cowl opening is a monstrous drag maker on a
Subaru, totally unecessary. If one were to fit a bigger spinner and make
a new nose for the cowl that had no air intake and closely aligned with
the spinner I bet you would get more benefit than a new motor would give
you.
Your radiator scoop I'm sure is quite a benefit too.
Personally after I had these two mods I might consider an engine swap,
but remember the Soob (even the Stratus) has quite a good track record
of reliable operation now.
FWIW
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
Dave,
I too fly an HDS and still occasionally look at the Corvair. It's an
excellent engine. It should definitely go faster, but not sure how
much. Soon to arrive in early 2006 is the all new 3000 engine, (no VW
parts) from Revmaster.
Air or water cooled with turbo as option starting at less than $10K.
110 hp and much simpler than the
Rotax or Subaru. Just see the article at this link. Contact Magazine
did a great piece on it and it had been supercharged to 400 hp just to
proof the mechanicals, in development testing before user flight
evaluations which are now under way. This one will influence the price
of the current 100 HP market and it's an all new engine from the
centerline out. Weight 205 lbs.
.
http://www.revmasteraviation.com/products/under_development/
Larry McFarland - 601HDS - Stratus Subaru - 730 lbs, Cruise 125 mph at
4700.
at www.macsmachine.com
Dave & Doretta New wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Doretta New"
>--> <ddnew@nebmail.com>
>
>
>List
>Are there many with 601 HDS and corvair power? If so, Could you report
on empty weight and performance numbers. I have a 601 HDS taildragger
N928dn appox 160 hrs. Empty weight 725 lbs. three way GPS ground speed
average 129 mph @4550 rpm. Empty weight went up with larger radiator and
2 oil coolers.
>Been reading all the info about corvair power. Have not found any thing
about the empty weight and performance numbers. Been thinking about
converting to Corvair but would like some real world numbers from people
who have done it. Even Willam Wynne has not posted any performance
numbers. Only that his 601XL cruses about 130 mph. Have read in the
magazines that several people have converted there KR's from Subaru over
to corvair and saved weight. So if anybody is flying a HDS with Corvair
could you help me out. The Corvair intrest me, But converting over would
be a lot of work.
>Thank you
>Dave New
>601 HDS Taildragger
>N928DN
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More "Level Table". By design, "Flat for the 701." |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 12/15/2005 7:23:13 AM Central Standard Time,
zsmith3rd@earthlink.net writes:
One item is being overlooked in the "work table" discussion.
After determining that the work surface is "flat", one should raise the
outboard end of the table by an amount equal to the desired wing dihedral in the
finished product.
"FLAT" is what is needed for the thirteen airfoils of the 701. Fuselage as
well.
[Wing twist, not to be confused with dihedral, is accomplished by off setting
the flaperons, great design too.] [ Dihedral is set with wing strut length.]
[For those that don't build using the flat table, Mr. Heintz has written in
the ZAC News letter on ways to deal with unfortunately twisted airfoils.]
A flat work table surface is the prime piece of tooling for keeping twist out
of the 701 airfoils and fuselage. Flat is Flat, should not be confused with
Level.
An easy way to assemble the flat work table is to use extension ladder
sections topped with good plywood to start with. Plans for same were in the ZAC
News
Letter 135.
"Level,",, is useful when squaring the fuselage, a one time event.
Just adding to the loooong & useful discussion.
Jerry
701SP, wings, tail, fuselage done, eight airfoils to go.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Ben,
The 701 is being built in huge numbers by people liking STOL
properties. The ability to land in short spaces is
a real draw. I don't see the comparative of low wing versus high
because with the 701 you get to look
down at things for a considerable period of time. The 601 has a
tremendous visual effect and you should fly both
aircraft, possibly at Mexico Missouri before deciding. They're about
the same amount and level of work.
Hate to sound partial, but you need to know the kind of flying you want
to do as well. I am constantly amazed
at the distance some have flown in the 701 at speeds that have to
compete with prevailing winds.
Get some airtime by looking up your nearest flying 701 or 601 at the
following links which show who's building
or flying what and where.
* *
*http://www.frappr.com/zenith701*
* *
*http://www.frappr.com/zenith601* <http://www.frappr.com/zenith701>
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Ben Ramler wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
>
>Hello Zenith Builders and Flyers,
>
> My name's Ben Ramler. I live in Granite Falls, MN which is 140 miles due west
of mpls. I'm thinking about getting my sport pilot lic. so I can go flying.
Right now the only way for me to do that is to build an airplane first. Anyways
my next question is this.. Who on the list is either building or flying a CH-701?
What I'd like to know is what does airplane handle like, is it a forgiving
aircraft? How was the construction of it? that kind of stuff. The reason I'm
not looking at the 601 is because you can't see below and I'd like to see below
me.
>
>
> thanks & Merry Christmas
>
>
> Ben Ramler
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Your not wrong Ben,
It really depends on what you want. I find the high wing planes to be
somewhat claustraphobic (sp?) because you have the wing above and the
fuse below, Where as on a low wing plane its all below you giivng u a
clear view above and to the sides.
They are not the best spotting aircraft though and you need to roll to a
steep angle to see directly below you.
You may well find a better deal on a completed 701 rather than building
your own though.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Ramler
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: new to the list
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
Nice idea frank but however in a low wing you can't really see anything
though below you or can you? maybe I'm worng?
"Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote: -->
Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
If you want a deal you can often find one already built for less than it
will cost to build your own.
Of course you won't be able to sign off on your own annual inspections
but it will be proven and can represent quite a deal.
Shame you don't want a low...My HDS is almost for sale..:)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Ramler
Subject: Zenith-List: new to the list
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ben Ramler
Hello Zenith Builders and Flyers,
My name's Ben Ramler. I live in Granite Falls, MN which is 140 miles due
west of mpls. I'm thinking about getting my sport pilot lic. so I can go
flying. Right now the only way for me to do that is to build an airplane
first. Anyways my next question is this.. Who on the list is either
building or flying a CH-701? What I'd like to know is what does airplane
handle like, is it a forgiving aircraft? How was the construction of it?
that kind of stuff. The reason I'm not looking at the 601 is because you
can't see below and I'd like to see below me.
thanks & Merry Christmas
Ben Ramler
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| Subject: | Re: and we wonder why we lose airports |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
Mike, you should contact AOPA and raise hell and demand that they tell you what
exactly is on their minds. It may be that the "AOPA rep" was a local volunteer
who wasn't sufficiently motivated and/or armed to do battle with them. I'd certainly
be surprised if AOPA just rolled over without some good reason.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike<mailto:rsq2424@yahoo.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: and we wonder why we lose airports
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike <rsq2424@yahoo.com<mailto:rsq2424@yahoo.com>>
Insult to us left-coasters notwithstanding (which was totally uncalled for),
I'd be cautious next time you give your hard earned money to AOPA to save
an airport. I recently attended a meeting at an airport where my plane is being
built, and thought the purpose was to fight against a threatened airport closure.
Boy was I surprised when it soon became clear that the AOPA rep was siding
with the City to close it! When I asked why, his reponse was something
akin to "you can't fight city hall". How's that for pilot representation?
Oh, and by the way, the airport will be closed as soon as everyone is "relocated"
and (coincidentally) the developer's plans are finished.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jeff Small <zodiacjeff@msn.com<mailto:zodiacjeff@msn.com>> wrote:+++ Amen! Every time the AOPA asks for money for its defense of our flying rights and to keep airports that are under attack from residents because of noise complaints - I give. Hard to believe that someone would purposely put "his" field in jeopardy. The field belongs to all the pilots who hope to use it.
A dive from 4000 with a pullout over the field at 500!!!...bet others at the
field love your pattern manners. Hopefully someone will report you to the local
FAA branch, and thankfully the original poster is on the Left Coast.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: new to the list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "zodie rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
http://www.can-zacaviation.com/zodiac/zenith_vs_zenith.htm
Give this link a try to help in the decision.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: new to the list
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Ben,
> The 701 is being built in huge numbers by people liking STOL
> properties. The ability to land in short spaces is
> a real draw. I don't see the comparative of low wing versus high
> because with the 701 you get to look
> down at things for a considerable period of time. The 601 has a
> tremendous visual effect and you should fly both
> aircraft, possibly at Mexico Missouri before deciding. They're about
> the same amount and level of work.
> Hate to sound partial, but you need to know the kind of flying you want
> to do as well. I am constantly amazed
> at the distance some have flown in the 701 at speeds that have to
> compete with prevailing winds.
> Get some airtime by looking up your nearest flying 701 or 601 at the
> following links which show who's building
> or flying what and where.
> * *
> *http://www.frappr.com/zenith701*
> * *
> *http://www.frappr.com/zenith601* <http://www.frappr.com/zenith701>
>
> Good luck,
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> do not archive
>
>
> Ben Ramler wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
> >
> >Hello Zenith Builders and Flyers,
> >
> > My name's Ben Ramler. I live in Granite Falls, MN which is 140 miles
due west of mpls. I'm thinking about getting my sport pilot lic. so I can go
flying. Right now the only way for me to do that is to build an airplane
first. Anyways my next question is this.. Who on the list is either building
or flying a CH-701? What I'd like to know is what does airplane handle like,
is it a forgiving aircraft? How was the construction of it? that kind of
stuff. The reason I'm not looking at the 601 is because you can't see below
and I'd like to see below me.
> >
> >
> > thanks & Merry Christmas
> >
> >
> > Ben Ramler
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
Alex,
It's in their printed catalog on page 33. Perhaps they don't
show it online. Part no. is 5102D-3/32 and 5102D-1/8 at $5.95 each.
Lynn
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| Subject: | All seriousness aside...... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Just so everybody knows ahead of time in advance, without appearing too overly
redundant, the deadline for submitting briefs concerning the Work Table issue
is 0-dark-thirty GMT, Friday, 16 December 2005.
Those without briefs may submit boxers, if accompanied by a waver. Waver must
be sober and properly attired.
Some of the heretofore untouched topics include:
Work surface height above floor,
Remaining overhead clearance (subtract A from B, add square of sum of both, allowing
for edge distance),
Color and type of paint for said table,
Floating table in large vessel of water to maintain level,
Accessibility by left-handed persons, and,
Plumb. Not one mention has been made of plumb.
It is nearly impossible to build airplanes without having proper toilet facilities
available.
Stand by a moment.......I've just been advised of the difference between plumb
and plumbing.
Delete the reference to "facilities".
Anyway, "plumb" requires a "bob". Suspended by the previously-mentioned calibrated
string.
Can we get a dissertation on the effect of gravity on a plumb bob before the deadline?
Or is that Bob? Hi, Bob!
Does anybody have a photo of the table used by Orville and Wilbur? Makes a great
starting point, and shims might resurrect it.
Absolutely DO NOT ARCHIVE now or ever or never, whichever comes last !!
Zed/etc/etc/.....
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| Subject: | Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" <bjohnson@satx.rr.com>
Larry,
I hope your right about the "coming in early 2006" part. Unfortunately the
web page for the engine has not been updated since Feb of 2003. I dunno
what they are waiting on...
I'd love to be able to put that in my Sonex (if it comes in light enough).
I guess I'm going to have to subscribe to contact to find out,... been
meaning to anyway.
I've got probably 2 years till I have to for sure make an engine decision,
so they better hurry up <grin>
-Bruce J
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry McFarland
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Dave,
I too fly an HDS and still occasionally look at the Corvair. It's an
excellent engine. It should definitely go faster, but
not sure how much. Soon to arrive in early 2006 is the all new 3000
engine, (no VW parts) from Revmaster.
Air or water cooled with turbo as option starting at less than $10K.
110 hp and much simpler than the
Rotax or Subaru. Just see the article at this link. Contact Magazine
did a great piece on it and it
had been supercharged to 400 hp just to proof the mechanicals, in
development testing before user flight
evaluations which are now under way. This one will influence the price
of the current 100 HP market and it's
an all new engine from the centerline out. Weight 205 lbs.
.
http://www.revmasteraviation.com/products/under_development/
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| Subject: | Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
2 years is hurrying up...:)
There are many products that are based on promisses but fail to
deliver...We have all been waiting for at least 2 years to get the
turbine engine...Many have placed deposits and no engines.
Dynacam...Smae thing about 6 years ago many folks paid them a lot of
money...No engines have been built.
Even when there is a prototype there are many many unforseen pitfalls
ready to strike at a new design...If the cost of the pitfalls proves
prohibitive, the company goes under and you have a useless engine.
My point is...tried, tested and trusted means an awful lot in the
aviation world.
Tread carefully.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Johnson
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" <bjohnson@satx.rr.com>
Larry,
I hope your right about the "coming in early 2006" part. Unfortunately
the web page for the engine has not been updated since Feb of 2003. I
dunno what they are waiting on...
I'd love to be able to put that in my Sonex (if it comes in light
enough).
I guess I'm going to have to subscribe to contact to find out,... been
meaning to anyway.
I've got probably 2 years till I have to for sure make an engine
decision, so they better hurry up <grin>
-Bruce J
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
Dave,
I too fly an HDS and still occasionally look at the Corvair. It's an
excellent engine. It should definitely go faster, but not sure how
much. Soon to arrive in early 2006 is the all new 3000 engine, (no VW
parts) from Revmaster.
Air or water cooled with turbo as option starting at less than $10K.
110 hp and much simpler than the
Rotax or Subaru. Just see the article at this link. Contact Magazine
did a great piece on it and it had been supercharged to 400 hp just to
proof the mechanicals, in development testing before user flight
evaluations which are now under way. This one will influence the price
of the current 100 HP market and it's an all new engine from the
centerline out. Weight 205 lbs.
.
http://www.revmasteraviation.com/products/under_development/
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| Subject: | Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
>There are many products that are based on promisses but fail to
>deliver...We have all been waiting for at least 2 years to get the
>turbine engine...Many have placed deposits and no engines.
>
>Dynacam...Smae thing about 6 years ago many folks paid them a lot of
>money...No engines have been built.
I investigated them (Dynacam) over 20 yrs ago with the intent to invest, my broker
(also a Glasair lll driver) had a contact with the FAA that told him that
no way were they going to be allowed to produce that engine under the current
type certificate. Saved a lot of money. Lots of sharks out there and as Jimmy
Buffett (my hero) says that a lot of them have 2 legs. LOW&SLOW John
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
Alex-
As I remember, they're on page 7 or 9 of the on-line catalog. Talked my
wife into buying me a couple for Christmas- came in 3 days.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: dimple die
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
>
> Alex,
> It's in their printed catalog on page 33. Perhaps they don't
> show it online. Part no. is 5102D-3/32 and 5102D-1/8 at $5.95 each.
>
Lynn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Frank,
I'd not switch to go to the air cooled option. I'd go water cooled as
speed is not the criteria
most important to me. I like the quiet of the water cooled engine, the
simplicity of the Subaru.
I was impressed with the same simplicity of the Corvair and more
recently the 3000 engine.
I hope it beats the snot out of the Rotax market because I think they're
over priced
and far too restrictively complex with their AD notes etc. Probably be
a while before I switch
because I best like the economy of 3.5 gallons per hour when just
tooling around on $2.19 mogas.
Larry McFarland
do not archive
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Hi Larry,
>
>Yes an airrcooled engine will definatly be faster than a water cooled
>unit, as you say the question is "how much"?
>
>Considering the HD/HDS cruise in the order of 100mph, an Rv around 200.
>Rumour has it that a water cooled motor in an RV will cost you 20MPH at
>cruise.
>
>Going from 100 to 200mph the drag is of course is multiplied by a factor
>of 4.
>
>So going water cooled to aircooled at 100mph is...20/4 =5mph....
>
>I.e not much
>
>If I were keeping the HDS I bet there are better drag reduction
>opportunities than a new engine would provide, so personally I would
>start there. The huge cowl opening is a monstrous drag maker on a
>Subaru, totally unecessary. If one were to fit a bigger spinner and make
>a new nose for the cowl that had no air intake and closely aligned with
>the spinner I bet you would get more benefit than a new motor would give
>you.
>
>Your radiator scoop I'm sure is quite a benefit too.
>
>Personally after I had these two mods I might consider an engine swap,
>but remember the Soob (even the Stratus) has quite a good track record
>of reliable operation now.
>
>FWIW
>
>Frank
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
>McFarland
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
>--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>Dave,
>I too fly an HDS and still occasionally look at the Corvair. It's an
>excellent engine. It should definitely go faster, but not sure how
>much. Soon to arrive in early 2006 is the all new 3000 engine, (no VW
>parts) from Revmaster.
>Air or water cooled with turbo as option starting at less than $10K.
>110 hp and much simpler than the
>Rotax or Subaru. Just see the article at this link. Contact Magazine
>did a great piece on it and it had been supercharged to 400 hp just to
>proof the mechanicals, in development testing before user flight
>evaluations which are now under way. This one will influence the price
>of the current 100 HP market and it's an all new engine from the
>centerline out. Weight 205 lbs.
>.
>http://www.revmasteraviation.com/products/under_development/
>
>Larry McFarland - 601HDS - Stratus Subaru - 730 lbs, Cruise 125 mph at
>4700.
>at www.macsmachine.com
>
>Dave & Doretta New wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Doretta New"
>>--> <ddnew@nebmail.com>
>>
>>
>>List
>>Are there many with 601 HDS and corvair power? If so, Could you report
>>
>>
>on empty weight and performance numbers. I have a 601 HDS taildragger
>N928dn appox 160 hrs. Empty weight 725 lbs. three way GPS ground speed
>average 129 mph @4550 rpm. Empty weight went up with larger radiator and
>2 oil coolers.
>
>
>>Been reading all the info about corvair power. Have not found any thing
>>
>>
>about the empty weight and performance numbers. Been thinking about
>converting to Corvair but would like some real world numbers from people
>who have done it. Even Willam Wynne has not posted any performance
>numbers. Only that his 601XL cruses about 130 mph. Have read in the
>magazines that several people have converted there KR's from Subaru over
>to corvair and saved weight. So if anybody is flying a HDS with Corvair
>could you help me out. The Corvair intrest me, But converting over would
>be a lot of work.
>
>
>>Thank you
>>Dave New
>>601 HDS Taildragger
>>N928DN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel system questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
You should use flexible fuel line between the firewall and the engine.
Aluminum tubing can work harden and get brittle with age due to the constant
flexing caused by engine vibration.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 12/15/05 11:51 AM, Carlos Sa at carlosfsa@yahoo.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Frank, where would I need the flex hose?
>
> I thought you could run aluminum all the way from the tanks to the engine?
>
> Carlos
> do not archive
>
> "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List
> message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
>
> ...
>
> Note the tube is for rigid installation...I.e you still need flex hose
> which brings up the question of how to connect it.
> ...
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Dave,
> I too fly an HDS and still occasionally look at the Corvair. It's an
> excellent engine. It should definitely go faster, but
> not sure how much. Soon to arrive in early 2006 is the all new 3000
> engine, (no VW parts) from Revmaster.
> Air or water cooled with turbo as option starting at less than $10K.
> 110 hp and much simpler than the
> Rotax or Subaru. Just see the article at this link. Contact Magazine
> did a great piece on it and it
> had been supercharged to 400 hp just to proof the mechanicals, in
> development testing before user flight
> evaluations which are now under way. This one will influence the price
> of the current 100 HP market and it's
> an all new engine from the centerline out. Weight 205 lbs.
Larry-
You know I haven't made up my mind on a powerplant yet, but I'm sure
going to lean towards a company offering a balanced firewall forward kit. In
my brief look at the Revmaster site, I didn't see any mention of FFW, just
the engine. Hope you guys at Revmaster read the posts, because there are
probably a lot more lazy bums like me out there!
Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: new to the list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" <piercetonypeggy@mail.usa.com>
Ben... we've just started flying our 701 with bubble doors. The visibility
is incredible. Several times I've checked my seatbelt just because I feel
like I'm leaning out of the airplane when I look down.
Tony Pierce
N702PY CH701/912ULS
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Ramler" <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: new to the list
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello Zenith Builders and Flyers,
>
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| Subject: | Re: All seriousness aside...... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Zed you crack me up! Do NOT archive
Scott Laughlin
My toilet is 100% flat and level
--- Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith
> <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
the Work Table
> issue is 0-dark-thirty GMT, Friday, 16 December
> 2005.
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| Subject: | Zenith-list: hds.corvair |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Larry et al,
The Rotax is a very simple engine, no more complex than a Corvair or Subaru
and probably on a par with Jabaru if you discount the 8 bolts (aprox.) to
remove the reduction unit. I've taken the Rotax repair seminar and I am
therefore "qualified" in Rotax's eyes to perform teardown and rebuild
maintenance, but anyone with engine rebuild experience could easily do it.
You have to remember, the AD's you spoke of are written for the
"Certificated" versions of the Rotax engines, and as such are not any more
restrictive or complex than an AD for a Lycoming in a Cessna. I'll admit
the Rotax is a little more pricey than some of the alternatives, but the
only difference between engines coming off the assembly line is the pile of
certification papers attached to the Certificated version. Besides that,
any engine produced in the land of the Euro is going to be more costly. And
Larry, the technical innovations, tools and methods you bring to this forum
tell me you could rebuild a Rotax with your eyes blindfolded.
Dave 601-HD 912ULS
-----Original Message-----
posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Frank,
I'd not switch to go to the air cooled option. I'd go water cooled as
speed is not the criteria
most important to me. I like the quiet of the water cooled engine, the
simplicity of the Subaru.
I was impressed with the same simplicity of the Corvair and more
recently the 3000 engine.
I hope it beats the snot out of the Rotax market because I think they're
over priced
and far too restrictively complex with their AD notes etc. Probably be
a while before I switch
because I best like the economy of 3.5 gallons per hour when just
tooling around on $2.19 mogas.
Larry McFarland
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Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Hi Larry,
>
>Yes an airrcooled engine will definatly be faster than a water cooled
>unit, as you say the question is "how much"?
>
>Considering the HD/HDS cruise in the order of 100mph, an Rv around 200.
>Rumour has it that a water cooled motor in an RV will cost you 20MPH at
>cruise.
>
>Going from 100 to 200mph the drag is of course is multiplied by a factor
>of 4.
>
>So going water cooled to aircooled at 100mph is...20/4 =5mph....
>
>I.e not much
>
>If I were keeping the HDS I bet there are better drag reduction
>opportunities than a new engine would provide, so personally I would
>start there. The huge cowl opening is a monstrous drag maker on a
>Subaru, totally unecessary. If one were to fit a bigger spinner and make
>a new nose for the cowl that had no air intake and closely aligned with
>the spinner I bet you would get more benefit than a new motor would give
>you.
>
>Your radiator scoop I'm sure is quite a benefit too.
>
>Personally after I had these two mods I might consider an engine swap,
>but remember the Soob (even the Stratus) has quite a good track record
>of reliable operation now.
>
>FWIW
>
>Frank
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
>McFarland
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
>--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>Dave,
>I too fly an HDS and still occasionally look at the Corvair. It's an
>excellent engine. It should definitely go faster, but not sure how
>much. Soon to arrive in early 2006 is the all new 3000 engine, (no VW
>parts) from Revmaster.
>Air or water cooled with turbo as option starting at less than $10K.
>110 hp and much simpler than the
>Rotax or Subaru. Just see the article at this link. Contact Magazine
>did a great piece on it and it had been supercharged to 400 hp just to
>proof the mechanicals, in development testing before user flight
>evaluations which are now under way. This one will influence the price
>of the current 100 HP market and it's an all new engine from the
>centerline out. Weight 205 lbs.
>.
>http://www.revmasteraviation.com/products/under_development/
>
>Larry McFarland - 601HDS - Stratus Subaru - 730 lbs, Cruise 125 mph at
>4700.
>at www.macsmachine.com
>
>Dave & Doretta New wrote:
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Doretta New"
>>--> <ddnew@nebmail.com>
>>
>>
>>List
>>Are there many with 601 HDS and corvair power? If so, Could you report
>>
>>
>on empty weight and performance numbers. I have a 601 HDS taildragger
>N928dn appox 160 hrs. Empty weight 725 lbs. three way GPS ground speed
>average 129 mph @4550 rpm. Empty weight went up with larger radiator and
>2 oil coolers.
>
>
>>Been reading all the info about corvair power. Have not found any thing
>>
>>
>about the empty weight and performance numbers. Been thinking about
>converting to Corvair but would like some real world numbers from people
>who have done it. Even Willam Wynne has not posted any performance
>numbers. Only that his 601XL cruses about 130 mph. Have read in the
>magazines that several people have converted there KR's from Subaru over
>to corvair and saved weight. So if anybody is flying a HDS with Corvair
>could you help me out. The Corvair intrest me, But converting over would
>be a lot of work.
>
>
>>Thank you
>>Dave New
>>601 HDS Taildragger
>>N928DN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Frankly, I would not trade my Jab 3300 for all the old worn out covair
motors or remade over car motors you could fill the Astro Dome with. If you want
dependable, strong and economical power at 178 pounds, spend the money and get
a
3300. My plane is only limited by the prop and it never fails to please me
when I hear it's rhythm. All the water cooled plumbing, and oil in the cylinder
bend a rod, reduction gears and belts, only one distributor and one spark plug
per jug concerns are lost on the 3300 and it really makes the perfect mill
for the XL and maybe the HDS as well. I have flown both types with the 3300. I
know this may fan the flames of passion for those that keep hoping for the
best or at least good for less, but a lot of folks depend on what they read in
this thing for knowledge and they should at least understand that the words
DEPENDABLE POWER is the key to survival because there is no place to pull over
and
fix anything falling off some crappy mill they hope will hold together. I
always hope everybody makes it on every flight, me included, but Experimental
should really start with a small e instead of a BIG E when your life is on the
line. Sorry if I have offended anybody's feelings, Best to all you guys for
Christmas, Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
At 05:13 PM 12/15/2005, you wrote:
>The Rotax is a very simple engine, no more complex than a Corvair or Subaru
>and probably on a par with Jabaru if you discount the 8 bolts (aprox.) to
>remove the reduction unit.
I don't get it. How can a water cooled engine with its circulation
system, pump, hoses, radiator, thermostat, and who knows what else be
as simple as a Jabiru air cooled engine that has non of those things on it?
Paul
XL wings
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
If you are willing to spend a few weeks outside of St. Louis you can get
your Sport Pilot license, I just did.
http://www.stcharlesflyingsvs.com/lightsport.php
They have the planes, instructors and examiner that you need. Nice folks,
bumpy runway.
Yes, you will still need a plane at home someday.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: new to the list
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
--> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
If you want a deal you can often find one already built for less than it
will cost to build your own.
Of course you won't be able to sign off on your own annual inspections but
it will be proven and can represent quite a deal.
Shame you don't want a low...My HDS is almost for sale..:)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Ramler
Subject: Zenith-List: new to the list
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
Hello Zenith Builders and Flyers,
My name's Ben Ramler. I live in Granite Falls, MN which is 140 miles due
west of mpls. I'm thinking about getting my sport pilot lic. so I can go
flying. Right now the only way for me to do that is to build an airplane
first. Anyways my next question is this.. Who on the list is either building
or flying a CH-701? What I'd like to know is what does airplane handle like,
is it a forgiving aircraft? How was the construction of it? that kind of
stuff. The reason I'm not looking at the 601 is because you can't see below
and I'd like to see below me.
thanks & Merry Christmas
Ben Ramler
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
And direct vs. gear drive. The field I was just training at has two Evektor
Sport Stars with Rotaxes on them. So their mechanic went off to Wisconsin (I
think) and took the course. What he heard was that the engines would last
forever but to keep an eye on the gear box.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith-list: hds.corvair
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
--> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
At 05:13 PM 12/15/2005, you wrote:
>The Rotax is a very simple engine, no more complex than a Corvair or
>Subaru and probably on a par with Jabaru if you discount the 8 bolts
>(aprox.) to remove the reduction unit.
I don't get it. How can a water cooled engine with its circulation system,
pump, hoses, radiator, thermostat, and who knows what else be as simple as a
Jabiru air cooled engine that has non of those things on it?
Paul
XL wings
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: and we wonder why we lose airports |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Mike,
Let me know what airport you are talking about, who the speaker was, when,
etc. I have some reasonable contacts with AOPA and others and will be glad
to stir the pot in your favor. Just need specifics.
Semper Fi,
Steve H.
701, Aado, AZ
On 12/15/05, PAULROD36@msn.com <PAULROD36@msn.com> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
>
> Mike, you should contact AOPA and raise hell and demand that they tell you
> what exactly is on their minds. It may be that the "AOPA rep" was a local
> volunteer who wasn't sufficiently motivated and/or armed to do battle with
> them. I'd certainly be surprised if AOPA just rolled over without some good
> reason.
>
> Paul Rodriguez
> 601XL/Corvair
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike<mailto:rsq2424@yahoo.com>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: and we wonder why we lose airports
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike <rsq2424@yahoo.com<mailto:
> rsq2424@yahoo.com>>
>
>
> Insult to us left-coasters notwithstanding (which was totally
> uncalled for), I'd be cautious next time you give your hard earned money to
> AOPA to save an airport. I recently attended a meeting at an airport
> where my plane is being built, and thought the purpose was to fight against
> a threatened airport closure. Boy was I surprised when it soon
> became clear that the AOPA rep was siding with the City to close it! When
> I asked why, his reponse was something akin to "you can't fight
> city hall". How's that for pilot representation?
>
> Oh, and by the way, the airport will be closed as soon as everyone
> is "relocated" and (coincidentally) the developer's plans are finished.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Jeff Small <zodiacjeff@msn.com<mailto:zodiacjeff@msn.com>>
> wrote:+++ Amen! Every time the AOPA asks for money for its defense of our
> flying rights and to keep airports that are under attack from
> residents because of noise complaints - I give. Hard to believe that
> someone would purposely put "his" field in jeopardy. The field belongs to
> all the pilots who hope to use it.
>
> A dive from 4000 with a pullout over the field at 500!!!...bet others at
> the field love your pattern manners. Hopefully someone will report you to
> the local FAA branch, and thankfully the original poster is on the Left
> Coast.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
So Bill, tell us how you REALLY feel......!!!!
Glad to see you're committed - just don't let all that confidence in your
equipment dull your senses or shorten your preflight checklist....!
May you all get your wish for Christmas!
Paul
XL - O200
-----Original Message-----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Zenith-list: hds.corvair
Frankly, I would not trade my Jab 3300 for all the old worn out covair
motors or remade over car motors you could fill the Astro Dome with. If you
want dependable, strong and economical power at 178 pounds, spend the money
and get a 3300. My plane is only limited by the prop and it never fails to
please me when I hear it's rhythm. All the water cooled plumbing, and oil in
the cylinder bend a rod, reduction gears and belts, only one distributor and
one spark plug per jug concerns are lost on the 3300 and it really makes the
perfect mill for the XL and maybe the HDS as well. I have flown both types
with the 3300. I know this may fan the flames of passion for those that
keep hoping for the best or at least good for less, but a lot of folks
depend on what they read in this thing for knowledge and they should at
least understand that the words DEPENDABLE POWER is the key to survival
because there is no place to pull over and fix anything falling off some
crappy mill they hope will hold together. I always hope everybody makes it
on every flight, me included, but Experimental should really start with a
small e instead of a BIG E when your life is on the line. Sorry if I have
offended anybody's feelings, Best to all you guys for Christmas, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: and we wonder why we lose airports |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike <rsq2424@yahoo.com>
> Let me know what airport you are talking about, who the speaker was,
> when, etc. I have some reasonable contacts with AOPA and others and > will
be glad to stir the pot in your favor. Just need specifics.
Unfortunately Steve, I think it's a done deal at this point. The FAA even caved
in, which nobody thought they would do. I've been told that there was large
political pressure put on this one (and the name Paul Allen was tossed around,
although I can't prove it). The airport is Rialto, California (L67). Can't
recall the AOPA guy's name, but he was definitely not in the camp that was
fighting this closure. There was some mention that the city could use eminent
domain if all else fails, which I suppose is true.
There's more to the story, in that the City of Rialto, through mismanagement,
claims that they do not have enough money to keep the airport in operation.
That's total hogwash (I won't bore you why I feel that way), but they are now
in the process of moving everyone to another airport.
I have to disclose that I am a commercial real estate developer, and I'm usually
on the other side of the fence on topics like this. However, I'm very much
still against this scheme, and it pains me to see another small airport close
for no good reason, other than greed.
Mike
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