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1. 01:22 AM - Re: Prop pitch and static RPM (Paul Mulwitz)
2. 02:55 AM - Re: Slant the table? (Robin Bellach)
3. 06:14 AM - Sharpies - Ink Flow (Dave VanLanen)
4. 07:06 AM - Re: Sharpies - Ink Flow ()
5. 07:08 AM - Re: Sharpies - Ink Flow (Carlos Sa)
6. 07:15 AM - Re: Sharpies - Ink Flow (Randy L. Thwing)
7. 07:18 AM - Re: Prop pitch and static RPM (Grant Corriveau)
8. 07:32 AM - Re: Sharpies - Ink Flow (Edward Moody II)
9. 07:33 AM - Re: Sharpies - Ink Flow (Bob Unternaehrer)
10. 08:46 AM - Re: Help!! Painter ground rivet heads down-601hds (bill naumuk)
11. 08:52 AM - Re:JABARU LOVERS FORUM (Ricchardd@aol.com)
12. 12:34 PM - Re: Level (Jim Hoak)
13. 02:12 PM - Re: Sharpies - Ink Flow (Zodie Rocket)
14. 02:26 PM - Re: Sharpies - Ink Flow (Craig Payne)
15. 02:44 PM - Re: Sharpies - Ink Flow (Allen Ricks)
16. 02:54 PM - 601 to 701 Switch (Stanley Challgren)
17. 03:07 PM - Re: 601 to 701 Switch ()
18. 04:34 PM - Re: Level (bill naumuk)
19. 06:10 PM - Cold weather work (Don Mountain)
20. 06:49 PM - Re: Cold weather work (Dale Mahan)
21. 06:55 PM - Short tail 801 with VGs (Rick Campbell)
22. 07:56 PM - Re: Cold weather work (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
23. 07:56 PM - Re: Cold weather work (Paul Mulwitz)
24. 08:11 PM - Re: Cold weather work (N5SL)
25. 09:13 PM - Re: 601 to 701 Switch (Stanley Challgren)
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| Subject: | Re: Prop pitch and static RPM |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Bob,
I am not familiar with the engine in question, so I don't really know
which rpm represents 100% power.
I think a first flight is a busy time, and it may be that the
absolute maximum static rpm setting for the variable pitch prop would
just hit the red line in flight or it might actually push the engine
past the red line. It seems safer to me to start with a setting that
is sure to keep the engine below the red line and adjust the prop for
increased rpm when that can be the most exciting issue at hand rather
than worrying about it on the first flight.
Paul
XL wings
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>Paul are you saying that the 5800 is 100% and that the 5452 static RPM is
>correct? To limit full power you can easily not push the throttle
>all the way. I
>would just assume set the pitch to what it is supposed to be the first time.
>Thanks
>
>Bob Spudis
>
>do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Slant the table? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
----- Original Message -----
> Mark the sides of the table as to "fore" and "aft",
> and "left" and
> "right", so
> you don't end up with opposing dihedral. This
> condition is detrimental
> to good
> flight characteristics.
>
Also, be sure to mark "up" and "down" so as to not have to do all
take-offs inverted.
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| Subject: | Sharpies - Ink Flow |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
Does anyone have trouble with the ink flow stopping on an otherwise good
Sharpie? Is there a tried and true method for getting it going again?
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
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| Subject: | Re: Sharpies - Ink Flow |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <CLEONARD52@comcast.net>
TAKE A PAPER TOWEL SATURATED WITH LAQUER THINNER AND RUB IT OVER THE POINT.
IF THAT DOES NOT WOEK, PULL THE POINT OUT OF THE PIN AND YOU WILL FIND THE
INK CARTRIGE IS ALL OF A 1/4 OF AN INCH LONG. IT HOLDS VERY LITTLE INK.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Sharpies - Ink Flow
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
<davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Does anyone have trouble with the ink flow stopping on an otherwise good
> Sharpie? Is there a tried and true method for getting it going again?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Van Lanen
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sharpies - Ink Flow |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Yes: clean the tip by lightly pressing the tip against a clean surface. Have a
pen at an angle, say 30-45 degrees.
As you press, rotate and pull it, as to make a trace.
Also, when not in use, make sure the cap is well in place: it seems to have
a false stop, so it is easy not to close it properly.
Cheers
Carlos
Dave VanLanen <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted
by: "Dave VanLanen"
Does anyone have trouble with the ink flow stopping on an otherwise good
Sharpie? Is there a tried and true method for getting it going again?
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
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| Subject: | Re: Sharpies - Ink Flow |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
From the archives: do not archive
The ink seems to "harden" on the tiny flexible tip. Lay the pen against the
metal at about a 30 degree angle, push slightly to bend (not break) the tiny
flexible tip and rotate the pen barrel 720 degrees (that's two revolutions
for you Canadians) while holding the tip in a slightly "flexed" position.
This seems to "crack" the hardened ink on the tip and allows fresh stuff to
start flowing. Keeping the cap on tight has never helped, they "harden"
every time. I can't accomplish much building airplanes, but free advice is
never in short supply.
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
> It seems that they are made for a single use only.
> Anytime I come back in the workshop and try to use the
> marker again, it seems I must draw circles for 10
> minutes before it draws anything.
>
> Is there a simple way to rescucitate these pens and
> make them useful for more than a few uses?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
<davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Does anyone have trouble with the ink flow stopping on an otherwise good
> Sharpie? Is there a tried and true method for getting it going again?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Van Lanen
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| Subject: | Re: Prop pitch and static RPM |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Prop pitch and static RPM
The manufacturer's suggestion is probably to help limit the possibility of
over-revving the engine/prop when setting full throttle. Full throttle is
always the recommended Take Offf setting for a fixed-pitch, internal
combustion engine in a light airplane, so don't even think about messing
around with anything less to 'go easy' on the engine. In fact some engines
specifically increase the fuel mixture at that setting just to ensure proper
engine cooling for takeoff, so trying to 'go easy' may actually lead to an
overheat.
But the engine/prop manufacturer has no idea what airframe you've installed
the engine into. Full 'recommended' rpm may be obtained at such a fine prop
setting (i.e. small pitch angle) that your first flight will involve
dragging the airplane around the air at full power and barely accelerating
to a good flying speed and each time you reduce power the airplane threatens
to slow down to near the stall speed.
I suggest you specifically ask other pilots with the same engine, airframe
and similar prop, what setting they're using for static rpm/prop angle.
Start with something that others are having success with and save becoming a
test pilot in too many areas at once.
In my own case, my engine is red-lined at 6,000rpm, and I use a static rpm
now of 5,000. My first flights were made with 13 degrees on the prop, I've
tried as high as 18, but have now settled on 16.5 as a good compromise.
Good luck,
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: Sharpies - Ink Flow |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
This is somewhat of an urban legend out of the RV crowd but I have been told
that the blue sharpies seem to last longer.
Ed
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
> <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Does anyone have trouble with the ink flow stopping on an otherwise good
> Sharpie? Is there a tried and true method for getting it going again?
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| Subject: | Re: Sharpies - Ink Flow |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Don't use it on dirty surfaces and when stopped up dip the tip in MEK or
other solvent quickly and it will be cleared. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sharpies - Ink Flow
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Yes: clean the tip by lightly pressing the tip against a clean surface.
Have a pen at an angle, say 30-45 degrees.
> As you press, rotate and pull it, as to make a trace.
>
> Also, when not in use, make sure the cap is well in place: it seems to
have a false stop, so it is easy not to close it properly.
>
> Cheers
>
> Carlos
>
> Dave VanLanen <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message
posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
>
> Does anyone have trouble with the ink flow stopping on an otherwise good
> Sharpie? Is there a tried and true method for getting it going again?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Van Lanen
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Help!! Painter ground rivet heads down-601hds |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "N5SL" <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help!! Painter ground rivet heads down-601hds
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
Tim-
It just hit me- who's painting your wings? No one with any aircraft
experience would ever use a grinding disk! That's why aircraft painting is
so expensive, all that's allowed is chemical strippers. The only allowable
abrasive I can think of is ScotchBrite.
If you informed the shop what they were allowed to use up front, I'd sue
the crap out of them.
Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | RE:JABARU LOVERS FORUM |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ricchardd@aol.com
OK , your "real" aircraft engines are designed to take all kinds of 'G'
forces but nowhere near the stress given to offroad racers, including running
upside down. I don't think there is any worry about my Ram Subaru having any
problem from gyroscopic forces. Besides, my wife loves the distinctive sound and
she can always tell who it is when I fly over.
Richard, N601ZT
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Mike,
Without going into a long explation, I built a "crooked left wing' for my
601HD the first time around. Built a second wing using two different
"bubble" levels with great varyiation, then used a home made water level. It
worked great. I now have a very straight wing.
I also rebuilt a twisted wing on a Zenith 250 that a friend bought "ready to
fly". We used a Digital level on that one and matched the repaired wing to
the other wing which was close to being correct. It turned out to be a
"hands off" airplane. So both the water level and the Digital level both
worked. I dont' have much faith in the bubble levels but that is just me!
Jim Hoak 601Hd 500hrs
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----- Original Message -----
From: "MikeH" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Level
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: MikeH <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
>
> Not to start a huge debate on degree's of levelness.... but, My
> table, not being on wheels, had to be moved and readjusted to level
> again. I have a "smart level", "spirit level" and a "laser level".
> First time I leveled with the Smart Level. This time I thought I could
> be more accurate with the laser level. I set the laser level off the
> table, using the bubble levels built into it as a guide to establish
> what really is "level". Then I placed a stick on all 4 corners of the
> table to see where the laser "hits" Well, I was all over the place!
> After adjusting, adjusting and adjusting it was just NOT right. Going
> back to my Samrt level I was off at most 0.7 deg. Which is pretty
> significant! I found the laser level to be difficult to use. If you use
> it to shoot across a long area it could be off by quit a bit time it
> reaches your target! I ended up using a water level. worked great! How
> do others' level their table? Wings.. etc. would a water level be
> accurate enough you think?
> thanks
> mike
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Sharpies - Ink Flow |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
This Question may be just because "I AM CANADIAN" But Randy do I rotate
it clockwise or counter clockwise? I want to be sure I get my whole two
revolutions in the correct direction.
Cdngoose
Do not archive Most Canadians are smarter then I.
;-)
Sorry couldn't resist today
-----Original Message-----
do not archive
and rotate the pen barrel 720 degrees (that's two revolutions
for you Canadians)
but free advice is never in short supply.
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
--
12/14/2005
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| Subject: | Sharpies - Ink Flow |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Clockwise in the northern hemisphere, counter-clockwise in the southern
hemisphere. If you live on the equator flip a coin.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zodie Rocket
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sharpies - Ink Flow
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
This Question may be just because "I AM CANADIAN" But Randy do I rotate it
clockwise or counter clockwise? I want to be sure I get my whole two
revolutions in the correct direction.
Cdngoose
Do not archive Most Canadians are smarter then I.
;-)
Sorry couldn't resist today
-----Original Message-----
do not archive
and rotate the pen barrel 720 degrees (that's two revolutions for you
Canadians)
but free advice is never in short supply.
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
--
12/14/2005
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| Subject: | Sharpies - Ink Flow |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Neither....
Anti-clockwise for the UK related countries ;{)
Allen
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Zodie Rocket
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sharpies - Ink Flow
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
This Question may be just because "I AM CANADIAN" But Randy do I rotate
it clockwise or counter clockwise? I want to be sure I get my whole two
revolutions in the correct direction.
Cdngoose
Do not archive Most Canadians are smarter then I.
;-)
Sorry couldn't resist today
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| Subject: | 601 to 701 Switch |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
List:
Just wanted to let everyone know I have changed allegiance within the
Zenith Community. We recently sold our 601 HDS to a pilot from
Eureka, MT. My building partner, T. R. Moore, has been advised to
stop flying due to medical problems and I grew tired of driving 60
miles to visit my aircraft at FTG. I have purchased a 701 kit and
will attend the workshop in February at which time I will pick it
up. I plan to fly the 701 out of my meadow at 8,000 MSL.
I am amazed and very pleased at the progress ZAC has made since we
bought our original aircraft. The drawings are now very professional
and the picture backup should result in very little confusion during
the building process in comparison to our last building effort.
I am very anxious to get started on the 701 in my garage. Still many
decisions to be made and I will be leaning on the collective wisdom
as decision deadlines loom.
Semper Fi
Stan Challgren
701
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| Subject: | Re: 601 to 701 Switch |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <capetonian@gmail.com>
> Just wanted to let everyone know I have changed allegiance within the
> Zenith Community. We recently sold our 601 HDS to a pilot from
> Eureka, MT. My building partner, T. R. Moore, has been advised to
> stop flying due to medical problems and I grew tired of driving 60
> miles to visit my aircraft at FTG. I have purchased a 701 kit and
> will attend the workshop in February at which time I will pick it
> up. I plan to fly the 701 out of my meadow at 8,000 MSL.
Hi,
Can I remove the ad from http://market.p166.com?
Andrew
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Level
Mike+Jim-
Been there, done that with building a crooked wing on a 601 series, but
it's more a matter of having accurate and SECURE shims than anything else.
Think about it.
The main spar is the major contact surface, and it better be virually
inflexible or you're in big trouble. The only other contact points are the
shims under the Z spar. You could have a coal mine in the middle of your
bench, but if the shim heights are correct, it won't matter.
But- if your shims move while you're match drilling the skins, I don't
care if you're building on a XXX grade granite inspection plate, guaranteed
flat to a couple of millionths. You're still going to build a bad wing.
If the 701 or 801 has a different wing construction method, in the words
of Gilda Radner, "Never Mind!"
Bill
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>
>
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| Subject: | Cold weather work |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
How does everybody else handle working on their airplane in the cold weather?
Particularly the paint work?
I am building a 601 XL in my detached garage in Iowa, without any heat. A few
days out there have been down as low as 6 degrees F. It is extremely still
in there, and surprisingly the cold is reasonably comfortible for me. But
I wonder about any problems with the metal work due to the temperature effects
on the expansion and contraction of the metal. And also, how do you northern
people do your paint work during this time of year? I have a little room
in the basement, and have done a little of my paint work down there, and used
a 36" square shower cabinet for washing off the alodine and all. Any ideas
on how I can handle the upper skins on my wings?
Don
601 XL, tail done, working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Cold weather work |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dale Mahan <dalemahan@charter.net>
Hi Don,
I appreciate your problem. I also have a garage without any attachment
to central heat. Normally, I postpone work with flamables until warmer
weather.
This was especially reinforced two weeks ago when a neighbor was
installing flooring in his basement during the recent cold snap.
Eventually, the fumes from the flammable solvent adhesive he was using
built up beyond the lower flammability limit and an explosion was set
off by his water heater pilot light. He was in the middle of it.
Result: injury, burns, and hospitalization, plus damage to his house
during cold weather. This really does happen to people, even those that
you know personally. In retrospect, one has a tendancy to ask "What was
he thinking?".
I myself was in a small gas explosion when unburned fuel accumulated in
the flue of my furnace and subsequently ignited. Fortunately. I
received only ringing ears and singed eyebrows - as well as a lesson I
won't forget.
Safety first. I have a good-sized kerosene heater for my garage , which
does very well at warming it, but I would have to turn it off in the
presence of flammable vapors. Which would give only a limited amount of
warmth for the work to follow. The only other inexpensive option is
electric space heaters, somewhat more expensive to operate than
kerosene, but they provide flameless heat.
Thank you,
Dale
Don Mountain wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
> How does everybody else handle working on their airplane in the cold weather?
Particularly the paint work?
>
> I am building a 601 XL in my detached garage in Iowa, without any heat. A
few days out there have been down as low as 6 degrees F. It is extremely still
in there, and surprisingly the cold is reasonably comfortible for me. But
I wonder about any problems with the metal work due to the temperature effects
on the expansion and contraction of the metal. And also, how do you northern
people do your paint work during this time of year? I have a little room
in the basement, and have done a little of my paint work down there, and used
a 36" square shower cabinet for washing off the alodine and all. Any ideas
on how I can handle the upper skins on my wings?
>
> Don
> 601 XL, tail done, working on wings
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Short tail 801 with VGs |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Campbell" <rcampbell@me.vccs.edu>
Hi list,
Have any 801 builders put vortex generators on the bottom of their horizontal
stabilator? If so, where did you place them? I am thinking they need to go as
close to the elevator as possible. I have the original 801 stabilator and want
to add some additional elevator authority. Any help would be appreciated.
Rick Campbell
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| Subject: | Re: Cold weather work |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Don, your only hope is bourbon. Drink heavily. Think of it as antifreeze for
you liver.
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| Subject: | Re: Cold weather work |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I also have a detached workshop. In it, I use one of those little
portable electric heaters to keep it somewhere between 50 and 60 degrees.
Thanks to one of my defunct small businesses, I have a wonderful
paint booth in a different area of my shop. I wouldn't consider
using it this time of year since nearly all paint requires at least
50 degrees to set properly.
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
At 06:08 PM 12/17/2005, you wrote:
> How does everybody else handle working on their airplane in the
> cold weather? Particularly the paint work?
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Cold weather work |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Don:
I'm in Nebraska with similar weather. I also find
that the cold becomes less of a factor when I am
enjoying working on the airplane. I bought one of
those round kerosene heaters with the tank on the
bottom and keep it near me when it gets bitter cold.
I built one wing in the summer and one in the coldest
part of the winter and I can't tell any difference.
Maybe the rivets aren't as straight on the winter wing
since I may have been shaking a little....
For small parts I let the primer warm up in the
basement then step outside to paint. I'd wait on
warmer weather to finish paint.
If you have the time and your blood is thick enough,
keep on building.
Scott Laughlin
Tried out my engine cowl today:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/12_17_05_Cowl.JPG
--- Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com> wrote:
> How does everybody else handle working on their
> airplane in the cold weather? Particularly the
> paint work?
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| Subject: | Re: 601 to 701 Switch |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
Yes, Thank you.
Stan
On Dec 17, 2005, at 4:06 PM, capetonian@gmail.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <capetonian@gmail.com>
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>> Just wanted to let everyone know I have changed allegiance within the
>> Zenith Community. We recently sold our 601 HDS to a pilot from
>> Eureka, MT. My building partner, T. R. Moore, has been advised to
>> stop flying due to medical problems and I grew tired of driving 60
>> miles to visit my aircraft at FTG. I have purchased a 701 kit and
>> will attend the workshop in February at which time I will pick it
>> up. I plan to fly the 701 out of my meadow at 8,000 MSL.
>
> Hi,
>
> Can I remove the ad from http://market.p166.com?
>
> Andrew
>
>
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