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1. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Original Question (Garrou, Douglas)
2. 11:42 AM - Re: Re: Original Question (Eric Tiethoff)
3. 12:47 PM - Re: Grandson's First Flight (Jim Hoak)
4. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: Original Question (Jim Hoak)
5. 06:51 PM - Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all (Zodie Rocket)
Message 1
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| Subject: | Re: Original Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
I know next to nothing about the Corvair or Jabiru. But, just as a data point,
I've flown a number of 172s and I have never flown one -- with an O-320 or an
O-360 -- that couldn't cruise at least 100 knots, with no luck needed. That
includes mis-rigged beater rentals with krylon-spray-painted N numbers that fly
sideways on tired engines.
And of course, one must keep in mind that the 172 is dragging FOUR seats through
the skies.... :) It's old, it's common, and it lacks coolness, but the 172
is really a remarkable design. A flying collection of compromises that just keeps
going and going like the energizer bunny.
However, I have no doubt that a Jabiru OR Corvair powered 601XL climbs better than
a 172. That big fat Chris Heintz wing just wants to take flight!
The real question is how many FPM Ben Haas is getting at sea level with that four
zillion horsepower fire-breathing STOL monster he's built! Although I guess
the whole idea is that he doesn't fly anywhere near sea level...
In any event, Happy Holidays to all from Project 801! As my present to the list,
and particularly to those who get the digest version, I'm actually going to
trim the quoted material in the e-mail below! LOL
Doug Garrou
Project 801
www.garrou.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Original Question
Bill,
A Jabiru 3300 in an XL far exceeds C-172 performance. It gets 120
knot cruise while the C-172 is lucky to get 100. [snip]
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| Subject: | Re: Original Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Tiethoff" <j.e.tiethoff@hccnet.nl>
Zie je dat een dikzak goed in een Jab3300 past ?
Met vriendelijke groet, Eric Tiethoff
url: www.walstroom.com
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Van: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] Namens JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Verzonden: zaterdag 24 december 2005 2:38
Aan: zenith-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Original Question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
My XL weighs almost 800 dry, With just me and full tanks my Jab powered XL
will climb at 100 mph at 1100 fpm. This weekend with me (217) and my buddy
(230)
and near full tanks she climbed at 93 mph at 1000 fpm. Even loaded with all
our fat we did 140 @ 2750rpm. Jab power ! Oh, by the way, the Jab 3300
weighs
178 pounds complete with eveything, including muffler.
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| Subject: | Re: Grandson's First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Bill,
Now you know how I feel. I've had the privledge of taking all seven of my
grandkids for a ride in my 601HD. My only dissapointment is that my wife
doesn't care to fly in small aircraft and hasn't even sat in my HD.
Congratulationd to you and Jake!
Jim H.
----- Original Message -----
From: <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Grandson's First Flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Dear Threads Friends, today was a banner day in my meager aviation
> history. I
> fulfilled the promise I made almost four years ago to my now eight year
> old
> grandson, Jake, to take him flying when I finish building. He had
> accompanied
> me to Sun n Fun three years ago and we camped out for the trip and he sat
> in
> the ZAC XL and Roger talked to him and I made the promise. Thinking about
> all
> the effort and $ that went into building and learning and grooming my bird
> paid
> great dividends this morning when he laughed as we lifted off. He had our
> camera and as we circled over his house he snapped photos and I took a
> couple from
> the top of the instrument panel of the two of us flying together. I will
> treasure that hour tell I'm gone. I had him grasp the stick as I
> maneuvered around
> and feel the controls and he was thrilled. Having never been flying before
> just the view made him bubble into the VOX mike. I think of the five
> operations
> that little fellow has had to endure and the several more that remain and
> I
> can't get over how positive and courageous his out look on life is and how
> much
> fun he had today. I built a special seat for him about five inches thick
> so he
> could see out because he is so small. Yes, for all you Dads and Grandpas
> out
> there that are tired of building, running a bit short on finances or just
> frustrated at the effort required or the slow pace of building and may be
> thinking
> of giving up I offer this as encouragement to keep working. It will be
> worth
> it. Best regards from me and mine on this our Holy Christmas. I received
> my
> present today, Bill Phillips, N505WP 601XL-3300 w/DC
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Original Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Bill,
Of course anything is possibe, but having built an HD and watching you build
the XL, they are just two completely different airplanes as far as how the
wings are attached.
Jim H.
----- Original Message -----
From: <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Original Question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Wonder if you can put XL wings on an HD ? Would make it over 30 feet wide
> and
> that thinner wing would sure be faster. I have no clue how the HD/HDS
> wings
> attach.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
To All on the list my best wishes for the season. Over the years I have
enjoyed reading and spending time with all of you. It has been a
pleasure to serve some of you as Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. I have learned
much from many of you, spent Great times with a few of you at Sun-N-Fun
and Oshkosh, and look forward to meeting the rest of you in the years to
come. Please give your family an extra hug and kiss during this special
time of year !
Thank-You
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
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12/23/2005
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