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1. 09:44 AM - OT: Beware flying props (kevinbonds)
2. 09:51 AM - Re: OT: Beware flying props (Gary A. Boothe)
3. 09:59 AM - The Closing of Realito (L67) Airport (Steve Hulland)
4. 10:04 AM - Re: OT: Beware flying props (Steve Hulland)
5. 10:07 AM - Re: OT: Beware flying props (Steve Hulland)
6. 10:31 AM - Re: OT: Beware flying props (Craig Payne)
7. 10:52 AM - Re: The Closing of Realito (L67) Airport (Mike)
8. 11:04 AM - Re:quick build 601 XL (Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta)
9. 11:42 AM - Re: Wing painting jig (Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta)
10. 11:53 AM - New builder questions (kevinbonds)
11. 12:04 PM - Re: quick build 601 XL (long) (Jim Hoak)
12. 12:32 PM - Re: The Closing of Realito (L67) Airport (JOHN STARN)
13. 12:56 PM - Re: Thin gear strut plate solution (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
14. 01:05 PM - Re: OT: Beware flying props (Gary Gower)
15. 01:14 PM - Re: OT: Beware flying props. (Gary Gower)
16. 02:05 PM - Re: Scapbuilding help (Jim Hoak)
17. 02:18 PM - Re: Fuel Tank & Wing Spar Problems Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:30:36 +0100 (\214rodkowoeuropejs... (Jim Hoak)
18. 02:25 PM - Re: Scapbuilding help (kevinbonds)
19. 02:40 PM - 701 Wing painting (Chuck Deiterich)
20. 04:05 PM - Re: The Closing of Realito (L67) Airport (Steve Hulland)
21. 05:51 PM - Re: Thin gear strut plate solution (Larry McFarland)
22. 05:57 PM - Pages (Bob Unternaehrer)
23. 06:54 PM - Re: Pages (Jim Pellien)
24. 07:25 PM - Re: Pages (Carlos Sa)
25. 07:44 PM - Re: Pages (doug kandle)
26. 07:59 PM - Re: Pages (Craig Payne)
27. 08:12 PM - Re: Pages (cgalley)
28. 08:16 PM - Re: Pages (Rick R)
29. 08:28 PM - Re: Pages (nhulin)
30. 08:28 PM - Re: Pages (Gary A. Boothe)
31. 08:46 PM - Re: Pages (Zodie Rocket)
32. 09:05 PM - Re: Re: Pages (Craig Payne)
33. 09:05 PM - Re: 701 Wing painting (Gary Gower)
34. 09:25 PM - Re: Pages.... (Gary Gower)
35. 09:40 PM - Re: Re: Pages. (Gary Gower)
36. 09:43 PM - Re: Pages... (Gary Gower)
37. 11:02 PM - Re: Pages.... (Roger Venables)
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| Subject: | OT: Beware flying props |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Hope you guys and gals don't mind this. It needs to be seen. Here's why the
FAA insists on someone at the controls when hand propping.
http://www.referenceonly.com/prop/
Click on the above link (or copy it to your browser) to see the photos of a
guy here at the Venice Airport who had just filled his recently purchased,
$16,000 Piper Cherokee, at the self serve pump at the airport. He could not
start the A/C normally due to some problem with the starter, so had to hand
prop the engine. He neglected to set the parking brake, and had the throttle
set to 3/4, so guess what happened? The plane took off....right towards the
self-serve pumps. Luckily the steel and concrete barriers were there, which
the prop struck, immediately tearing loose from the crankshaft. You can see
the damage that was done to the aircraft, and in the last two photo's, you
can see the 102 yard flightpath of the spinner and prop, and where it came
to rest on top of the hangar. Chalk that one up to experience. By the way,
no insurance on the A/C.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Beware flying props |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Looks like some of my early fiberglass work! What's the rest of the story?
Do not archive!
Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca
<gboothe@calply.com>
601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete
Tail Group - complete. Working on Wings...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> Hope you guys and gals don't mind this. It needs to be seen. Here's why
> the
> FAA insists on someone at the controls when hand propping.
>
>
> http://www.referenceonly.com/prop/
>
>
> Click on the above link (or copy it to your browser) to see the photos of
> a
> guy here at the Venice Airport who had just filled his recently purchased,
> $16,000 Piper Cherokee, at the self serve pump at the airport. He could
> not
> start the A/C normally due to some problem with the starter, so had to
> hand
> prop the engine. He neglected to set the parking brake, and had the
> throttle
> set to 3/4, so guess what happened? The plane took off....right towards
> the
> self-serve pumps. Luckily the steel and concrete barriers were there,
> which
> the prop struck, immediately tearing loose from the crankshaft. You can
> see
> the damage that was done to the aircraft, and in the last two photo's, you
> can see the 102 yard flightpath of the spinner and prop, and where it came
> to rest on top of the hangar. Chalk that one up to experience. By the way,
> no insurance on the A/C.
>
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> <http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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>
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| Subject: | The Closing of Realito (L67) Airport |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
I cannot remember who brought up the closing of Realito. In any case, I sent
several letters to AOPA, Congress, etc. and personally spoke with a couple
of people. There is a nice news story about this closing in the August 2,
2005 AOPA online newsletter. You can use the link located in the response
email from Chuck Smith of AOPA to open and read the article. Other answers
are in the same vain. It may be that the local pilots were not vocal and
dilligent enough in this fight over the years, I really do not know the
answer to that. Howver, I do know that we must all fight very hard to
preserve the freedom of flight. Even within this forum, dispite its main
purpose of promoting airplane building. I took out the message that I sent,
which generated this and several similar answers to keep this email fairly
short. If you want a copy of my very harsh email to AOPA, let me know and I
will send it via seperate email.
If you live within representative Lewis's Riverside district, write and tell
him of your displeasure and work hard at getting ride of him - make sure he
knows you are doing so. He is just like anotherMayor Dailey, a hinderance to
freedom.
-----Original Message-----
From: memberassistance@aopa.org [mailto:memberassistance@aopa.org]
Subject: < Inquiry: E0E8EA6430E00 > Re: FW: Shame on AOPA and the FAA
Steven,
Thanks for contacting AOPA and for your comments on L67. AOPA never gave
up the fight to keep L67 open. Congress slipped an amendment into the huge
highway appropriations bill giving Rialto the authority to sell L67. The
following link will take you to the story:
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050802ca.html
I hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Chuck Smith
Aviation Technical Specialist, Airport Lead
Pilot Information Center
Aviation Services Department
Ph: 800.872.2672; Fax: 301.695.2372
*DO NOT ARCHIVE THIS EMAIL*
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 701, Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Beware flying props |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
The rest of the story is "STUPID PILOT". I used to own a Taylorcraft BC-12
with no electrical. Hand propped it hundreds of times without a problem. On
those few occasions that I did not have someone inside handling controls, it
was tied down and started with great care. All were always trained. I did my
first hand start on Fleet in 1956. The rest of this and many similar stories
remains the same "STUPID PILOT".
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Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 701, Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Beware flying props |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Kevin,
Nice hangar ornament! "STUPID PILOT"
Wonder if insurance would have covered "stupidy" if it had been covered?
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--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 701, Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | OT: Beware flying props |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Here is somewhat similar story. If you read the article you will see that
the pilot got off.
http://www.micom.net/oops/AussiePilotXtraDetails.jpg
http://www.micom.net/oops/AussiePilotPropellerStory.jpg
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinbonds
Subject: Zenith-List: OT: Beware flying props
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Hope you guys and gals don't mind this. It needs to be seen. Here's why the
FAA insists on someone at the controls when hand propping.
http://www.referenceonly.com/prop/
Click on the above link (or copy it to your browser) to see the photos of a
guy here at the Venice Airport who had just filled his recently purchased,
$16,000 Piper Cherokee, at the self serve pump at the airport. He could not
start the A/C normally due to some problem with the starter, so had to hand
prop the engine. He neglected to set the parking brake, and had the throttle
set to 3/4, so guess what happened? The plane took off....right towards the
self-serve pumps. Luckily the steel and concrete barriers were there, which
the prop struck, immediately tearing loose from the crankshaft. You can see
the damage that was done to the aircraft, and in the last two photo's, you
can see the 102 yard flightpath of the spinner and prop, and where it came
to rest on top of the hangar. Chalk that one up to experience. By the way,
no insurance on the A/C.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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| Subject: | Re: The Closing of Realito (L67) Airport |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike <rsq2424@yahoo.com>
> I cannot remember who brought up the closing of Realito. In
> any case, I sent several letters to AOPA, Congress, etc. and
> personally spoke with a couple of people. There is a nice news
> story about this closing
That was me who first brought this up, and boy it's a good thing I wasn't drinking
anything when I read the comments about AOPA's fight or it would have squirted
out my nose. While it may be true that AOPA lobbied behind the scenes in
Washington, I can tell you with a good deal of certaintly that the local AOPA
rep (whose name I can't recall) did absolutely nothing constructive to fight this
closure, and and in fact was convinced it's not wise to fight it since we'd
lose out anyway. And this is coming from someone (me) who attended most of the
meetings, and personally called this individual to discuss the situation.
> It may be that the local pilots were not vocal and dilligent
> enough in this fight over the years, I really do not know the
> answer to that.
A small part of that is true, but only a very small part. Most of us pilots were
against the closure (based on the comments I heard at the meetings), but there
are a few of the larger business owners & operators on airport that aligned
themselves with the developers. Why? Because they are being lured by promises
to reloacte to a better facility (San Bernardino). So, the selfish interests
of a very few have affected many. It's true that the City of Rialto has not been
very active in maintaining the airport, and in fact, they have totally mismanaged
the facility (the existing airport manager, if you want to call him that,
is totally incompetent). But closing the airport isn't the only solution --
why not privatize it? Or maybe the development could co-exist with the airport.
From the article: "...the plethora of area airports. Ten other GA airports are
located within 20 nm of Rialto..."
Talk about a misleading statement. I live out here, and try to find a hangar at
one of those plethora of airports. There may be that many fields out here (although
at least one of them is an international airport -- not friendly to GA),
but there are also millions of people in the LA basin. Also, 20 miles drive
in LA is not the same as a 20 mile drive in Iowa.
Anyway, it's a done deal and nothing can be changed at this point, but the poster
was right when he said to be sure to vote out politicians that make inane decisions
like this one.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | re:quick build 601 XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta" <Stephen.Adams@HCAhealthcare.com>
I built a CH640, not a 601, but I had some of the same concerns about building
that you have expressed. For a number of reasons, I decided to go the QB route.
I am extremely glad I did. There is still plenty to do to finish up, so regardless
of what standard kit or scratch builders might say about it, I still am
proud of the airplane that I built. Work progressed fast enough that it was almost
always a joy to build. Everything is straight and true. Your tool requirement
is very basic. With the 640 the wings and HT are already riveted on one
side, and final drilled on the other, so you really don't even need a large workbench.
A couple of sawhorses is sufficient. And the best part of the quickbuild
in my opinion, is that now 18 months after my QB kit arrived, I have 120 flight
hours in it instead of it still sitting in pieces in my garage. Everybody
has their own reasons for building. Some love the building process so much they
start getting depressed when the airplane is almost completed. Others are
closet aeronautical engineers who can't resist trying to improve on every little
thing in the airplane. Some love building, but never miss it once they are
done. Others just want to build a nice plane to fly. If you are in the last group,
the QB is well worth the extra money. If you are in the first 2 groups, the
QB just spoils all of the fun. If you are in the 3rd group, it's a tough decision.
I think CH's designs are fairly simple and designed not only to fly well
and be sturdy, but probably more than any other kit designer, they are designed
to be simple to build. So I think technically, most people can build one
of his airplanes. The question becomes, how much building do you want to do?
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| Subject: | Re: Wing painting jig |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta" <Stephen.Adams@HCAhealthcare.com>
I think a rotating jig is possible, but probably more work than it is worth. When
I painted my wings, I clamped the main spar to a saw horse, and ran a strap
through the wing tie down, attached to an engine hoist. This held the wing vertically
with the leading edge down. This gave access to the whole wing for painting,
without having to reposition it at all during the process. It wasn't a
perfect setup, but it worked pretty well.
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| Subject: | New builder questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
For some reason from time to time, people ask my advice when beginning their
project after looking at my website. I always enjoy receiving and replying
to these emails, but find it hard to give a good lengthy reply at times. So
I created a new page on my site to address this.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds/new_builders.htm
I invite comments on the content. I'm trying to encourage builders to relax
and get started. I hope that I am clear enough on that and not misleading
someone to be haphazard in their construction practices. Please let me know
what y'all think. Maybe I should add some sort of disclaimer. Thoughts?
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
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| Subject: | Re: quick build 601 XL (long) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Ditto on the 912. I've got 500 hrs on mine and am now removing the gear box
for reshimming. Lockwood recommends this and it is not expensive. Phil says
the basic engine will go for 1500 hrs easy. It's been a easy to maintain
engine.
Jim Hoak
601HD flying 500hrs.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: quick build 601 XL (long)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
>
> Not sure why you say the Rotax 912 is expensive to maintain. Mine is 11
> years old, 565 hrs and all I do is change the oil and antifreeze every
> year.
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Closing of Realito (L67) Airport |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Thanks for the post. Rialto is closing because the City of Rialto is the
owner & wanted it gone. Pure & simple. They took it over to have better
"local control" and then ran it broke and then claimed it cost too much to
operate & maintain. It does cost too much to maintain IF you invest nothing
for years in upkeep, do nothing but pull out ALL the funds generated and
keep raising the rents.
The Town of Apple Valley tried the same thing a couple years back with APV,
the same "Local Control" argument. As soon as they found out that they would
NOT be getting extra tax & building fund monies they expected and our Save
our Airport campaign, they pulled out. They will try again, but with the
County of San Bernardino in charge we have wider taxi ways, new GA hangers,
CHP & SBSD hangers all since the collapse of the hostile takeover attempt.
"IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT" was our battle cry. KABONG Do Not Archive
Subject: Zenith-List: The Closing of Realito (L67) Airport
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
>
> I cannot remember who brought up the closing of Realito. In any case, I
> sent
> several letters to AOPA, Congress, etc. and personally spoke with a couple
> of people. There is a nice news story about this closing in the August 2,
> 2005 AOPA online newsletter. You can use the link located in the response
> email from Chuck Smith of AOPA to open and read the article. Other answers
> are in the same vain. It may be that the local pilots were not vocal and
> dilligent enough in this fight over the years, I really do not know the
> answer to that. Howver, I do know that we must all fight very hard to
> preserve the freedom of flight. Even within this forum, dispite its main
> purpose of promoting airplane building. I took out the message that I
> sent,
> which generated this and several similar answers to keep this email fairly
> short. If you want a copy of my very harsh email to AOPA, let me know and
> I
> will send it via seperate email.
>
> If you live within representative Lewis's Riverside district, write and
> tell
> him of your displeasure and work hard at getting ride of him - make sure
> he
> knows you are doing so. He is just like anotherMayor Dailey, a hinderance
> to
> freedom.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: memberassistance@aopa.org [mailto:memberassistance@aopa.org]
> To: Pilot
> Subject: < Inquiry: E0E8EA6430E00 > Re: FW: Shame on AOPA and the FAA
> Steven,
> Thanks for contacting AOPA and for your comments on L67. AOPA never gave
> up the fight to keep L67 open. Congress slipped an amendment into the
> huge
> highway appropriations bill giving Rialto the authority to sell L67. The
> following link will take you to the story:
> http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050802ca.html
> I hope this helps.
> Best Regards,
> Chuck Smith
> Aviation Technical Specialist, Airport Lead
> Pilot Information Center
> Aviation Services Department
> Ph: 800.872.2672; Fax: 301.695.2372
>
> *DO NOT ARCHIVE THIS EMAIL*
>
> --
> Semper Fi,
> Steven R. Hulland
> CH 701, Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Thin gear strut plate solution |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Great Job Larry,
So far no cracks on my thin plates but my wheelpants are off and and
keeping a close eye on the situation.
Are you planning on turning up a bunch of plates all at once...i.e do
you need us to order them now, or are you OK to make them as one offs as
needs arise?
Thanks Larry....
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Zenith-List: Thin gear strut plate solution
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi guys,
I finally received a response today from Chris on a proposed solution
for replacing the 1/8-inch gear strut plates that have occasionally
cracked from the struts. This was submitted about 3 weeks ago and the
following two paragraphs are part of what was sent to Zenith.
I made a weld-assembly of drilled 3/16-inch gear plates and 2-inch
diameter, -inch wall 4130 tubes that were welded away from the airplane.
These were turned down the thickness of the strut tube seen above to
permit a snug, sliding fit into the strut tubes. They are then axially
aligned on the plane with the forks and wheels mounted, and then allowed
to rest on the stub shoulder. They are drilled front to back and bolted
using an AN-4 or 5 aircraft bolt and Nylock nut. Proper fit with a
stress-reducing radius at the shoulder plus a wall thickness of .125
inside the strut tube would provide strong attachment and solid fit that
should not be a problem for wheel pants configured per Zenith.
I am submitting this process and method to replace the thin strut plates
with thicker ones to avoid re-welding the tubes or having to build new
gear struts. The best part is, of course, it avoids performing any
welding near the aircraft.
Chris has given his approval on this approach and was satisfied that a
single-bolt attachment was adequate for the job.
I posted the drawing for anyone that may feel the need to replace their
gear plates. You still need to know whether your struts are .065 or
.058 wall
before turning the insert tubes.
See the link below for the drawing and print it if it satisfies your
needs.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/gear-plate-and-strut.g
if
Have a Happy New Year,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Beware flying props |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
That is why aviation is "normally" safe, everybody gets (or has to get) trainned
to fly, this includes preflights, instruction and practice. I bet this guy
never had proped a plane before. Same happens when we fly a "new to us" airplane,
even if we are a million hours expert pilot, we need a breefing (or formal
instruction if needed) from an instructor or expert in type pilot before
we should even atempt to start the plane...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland
The rest of the story is "STUPID PILOT". I used to own a Taylorcraft BC-12
with no electrical. Hand propped it hundreds of times without a problem. On
those few occasions that I did not have someone inside handling controls, it
was tied down and started with great care. All were always trained. I did my
first hand start on Fleet in 1956. The rest of this and many similar stories
remains the same "STUPID PILOT".
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CH 701, Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Beware flying props. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
That is why insurance is all about :-) We all have once in a while (hope years
in betwen) our 5 minutes of stupid moment... Maybe has to do with Biorythm
:-)
Thinking in advance might prevent it to happen, we must be alert always to avoid
it.. Mainly in aviation.
Murphy and Doctors are the two worst enemies pilots can have :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
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enough said my side, to keep on list.
Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland
Kevin,
Nice hangar ornament! "STUPID PILOT"
Wonder if insurance would have covered "stupidy" if it had been covered?
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| Subject: | Re: Scapbuilding help |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Kevin,
Keep in mind that the 1.5D thing is a recemmendation, not a hard and fast
thing. As long as the rivets are tight in the hole (especially in the spar)
and are set "enough", are not cracked, are not Bent or "toed" they will be
fine. That is unless you are building a show plane where someone will be
inside your wing measuring the "bucked" rivet head sizes. I bet you will be
fine!
Jim Hoak 601HD flying 500hrs.
Co-Chairman Basic Sheet Metal Workshop - SunNFun
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----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Scapbuilding help
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> I ordered some Nylon from Aircraft Spruce. The catalog didn't specify
> resin
> content, but it came in as Nylon 42. The plans call for "Nylon 66" in some
> places and "plastic" in others (such as elevator fairlead on the Front HT
> Frame). Anyone have any thoughts on whether or not I should use it?
>
>
> Also, tonight I started checking to see if I had the correct size solid
> rivets for the Center Spar. Where the plans call for AN-470-AD-5-9 (which
> is
> .5625") these seem to be too long. Doing the math, a 5/32 diameter rivet
> is
> .156" and 1.5 times is .234" for MIN and MAX (I am interpreting the 1.5D
> supplied in AC43.13-1b as MAX diameter). My spar cap and web measure .287"
> Subtract that from .5625 and I get .278 which is outside the range of
> between .156" and .234". Looks like I need to order some AN-470-AD-5-8's
> instead. Anyone else have this issue? Or am I missing something.
>
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> <http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank & Wing Spar Problems Date: Tue, 3 Jan |
2006 08:30:36 +0100 (\214rodkowoeuropejs...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Tadeusz,
I don't believe the large effort involved in integral fuel tanks in a wing
not originally designed for it would be worth it. That is unless you've got
experience, can do the design work tec, then go for it. I don't think it
will save much work either.
Jim Hoak
601HD flying 500 hrs
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----- Original Message -----
From: "BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz" <info@bianco.pl>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel Tank & Wing Spar Problems Date: Tue, 3 Jan
2006 08:30:36 +0100 (\214rodkowoeuropejs...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz"
> <info@bianco.pl>
>
>
> Plumbing seems to be better idea. If You install pumps, they will brake
> down running without fuel - right, or You will have to install switch
> (about
> which You have to remember) and You get extra weight, and have to make
> electrical installation for pumps.
> Much simple much better.
>
> According to fuel tanks - I have a question.
> I decided to build integrated fuel tanks on my HD, but not 100%sure is the
> good idea. What is Your opinion Listers?
>
> Tadeusz Forgacz
> 601HD - started
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Zodie Rocket
> Date: 01/03/06 04:22:12
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel Tank & Wing Spar Problems
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
> Wow, this is a good one. I have a couple of other suggestions. You have
> the spar that was made prior to the advent of the larger 15 gal tanks so
> no provision was made for these. IF you in fact have the 4 12 gal tanks
> then you can do one of two things if you are wary of the 5 way fuel
> selector.
> 1) (which I would not recommend personally) would be to install all 4
> tanks and plumb 2 3/8ths line between the inboard and outboard tanks
> this would gravity feed fuel from the outboard The inboard vent would
> need to be plugged and the two lines be set one low for fuel and one
> high for venting between the tanks.
> 2) install all 4 tanks, use a low pressure pump in each wing to transfer
> fuel from outboard tanks to inboard tanks and only use inboard tanks for
> flight. This allows you to only fill the outboard tanks when you have
> both useful load in which to carry the extra fuel and a need to do so.
> IT does add to the cost with two more pumps and fuel gauges but it is a
> simplicity that isn't going to make your big fan go quite if it doesn't
> work. You will never depend on them, as they are only there for
> convenience.
>
> I personally would not hesitate to change the spar, but I have all the
> tools and being a plans builder I also have intimate knowledge and
> sklill on Zenith spars. For someone who does not have the skill they
> would be a costly place to learn. Also I couldn't hide the holes in my
> nose skin if I switched to the larger tanks. So I have 4 12 gal in my
> wings.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Scapbuilding help |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Thanks Jim. Good to hear from the Basic sheet metal workshop co-chair. So
which would you use? I went ahead and ordered some -8's.
.5625-.287= .276 showing with -9's
.500-.287 = .213 showing with -8's
5/32 X 1.5 = .234
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Kevin,
Keep in mind that the 1.5D thing is a recemmendation, not a hard and fast
thing. As long as the rivets are tight in the hole (especially in the spar)
and are set "enough", are not cracked, are not Bent or "toed" they will be
fine. That is unless you are building a show plane where someone will be
inside your wing measuring the "bucked" rivet head sizes. I bet you will be
fine!
Jim Hoak 601HD flying 500hrs.
Co-Chairman Basic Sheet Metal Workshop - SunNFun
do not archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> I ordered some Nylon from Aircraft Spruce. The catalog didn't specify
> resin
> content, but it came in as Nylon 42. The plans call for "Nylon 66" in some
> places and "plastic" in others (such as elevator fairlead on the Front HT
> Frame). Anyone have any thoughts on whether or not I should use it?
>
>
> Also, tonight I started checking to see if I had the correct size solid
> rivets for the Center Spar. Where the plans call for AN-470-AD-5-9 (which
> is
> .5625") these seem to be too long. Doing the math, a 5/32 diameter rivet
> is
> .156" and 1.5 times is .234" for MIN and MAX (I am interpreting the 1.5D
> supplied in AC43.13-1b as MAX diameter). My spar cap and web measure .287"
> Subtract that from .5625 and I get .278 which is outside the range of
> between .156" and .234". Looks like I need to order some AN-470-AD-5-8's
> instead. Anyone else have this issue? Or am I missing something.
>
>
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version=3.1.0
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Initially, I only painted the fuselage and tail on my 701. When I get
ready
to paint the wings I will drain the tanks, remove the slats and flapperons
and then remove the wings..
For painting, can I safely hang the wings from the slat attach support
brackets?
Thanks,
> Chuck D.
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Closing of Realito (L67) Airport |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Mike,
Great answer. I am going to cut and paste it to Phil Boyer, Chuck and
several others. If AOPA is taking our money and being the point
person/organization for protecting GA, they must make sure that every time
there is a fight, they choose the right people to lead and defend. Seems the
guy at Realito was not even close to being up to the task. Get rid of Lewis
and let him know why - it does not matter his affiliation or seniority - he
is a lowlife and I have called him just that in a letter. Do not use
profanity, but do not mince words in private or public. I hope you find a
good place for your future aviation endeavors.
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Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 701, Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Thin gear strut plate solution |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi Frank,
I've turned 4 sets of 3 for .065 wall struts and this week began a
fourth set of 3 to practice TIG welding the gear
plates. The sample strut tube has to be a perfect sliding fit and I
find that TIG provides the least amount of diametral
change. First sample tubes were thinner, so the next set will tell us
if the machined diameter will hold dimension after
welding. I always practice a critical weld several times to obtain
optimum form, depth of penetration, etc. Tomorrow
I start on the heavier material and will have a much better feeling for
if this process is going to be o.k. If it becomes
necessary to make a few more, I'll just do them as one offs. Have to
cut the samples thru to see if penetraton is where
its needed. You should be hearing from me later this week, but.don't do
anything until you hear I'm satisfied with
this idea. My welds look beautiful, but the thin tubes got out of round
by .003 while heating and cooling.
Have been playing with leaky inner tubes this past week, so little else
got done over the holidays.
Larry
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Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Great Job Larry,
>
>So far no cracks on my thin plates but my wheelpants are off and and
>keeping a close eye on the situation.
>
>Are you planning on turning up a bunch of plates all at once...i.e do
>you need us to order them now, or are you OK to make them as one offs as
>needs arise?
>
>Thanks Larry....
>
>Frank
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
>McFarland
>To: zenith-list
>Subject: Zenith-List: Thin gear strut plate solution
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
>--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>Hi guys,
>I finally received a response today from Chris on a proposed solution
>for replacing the 1/8-inch gear strut plates that have occasionally
>cracked from the struts. This was submitted about 3 weeks ago and the
>following two paragraphs are part of what was sent to Zenith.
>
>I made a weld-assembly of drilled 3/16-inch gear plates and 2-inch
>diameter, -inch wall 4130 tubes that were welded away from the airplane.
>These were turned down the thickness of the strut tube seen above to
>permit a snug, sliding fit into the strut tubes. They are then axially
>aligned on the plane with the forks and wheels mounted, and then allowed
>to rest on the stub shoulder. They are drilled front to back and bolted
>using an AN-4 or 5 aircraft bolt and Nylock nut. Proper fit with a
>stress-reducing radius at the shoulder plus a wall thickness of .125
>inside the strut tube would provide strong attachment and solid fit that
>should not be a problem for wheel pants configured per Zenith.
>
>I am submitting this process and method to replace the thin strut plates
>with thicker ones to avoid re-welding the tubes or having to build new
>gear struts. The best part is, of course, it avoids performing any
>welding near the aircraft.
>
>Chris has given his approval on this approach and was satisfied that a
>single-bolt attachment was adequate for the job.
>I posted the drawing for anyone that may feel the need to replace their
>gear plates. You still need to know whether your struts are .065 or
>.058 wall
>before turning the insert tubes.
>
>See the link below for the drawing and print it if it satisfies your
>needs.
>
>http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/gear-plate-and-strut.g
>if
>
>Have a Happy New Year,
>
>Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
I notice that many of you have your own web pages. How do any of you reccommend
that a early model EE get updated and learn this technology.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Bob,
Get a copy of Front Page from Microsoft and get started. It is very easy to
learn and use.
This is what I use on my website. Have used it for about 6 years now. It
does have limitations, no doubt, but its ease of use is what a first time
user will love. Take a look at my websites: www.maspl.com and
www.pellien.com
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Subject: Zenith-List: Pages
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
I notice that many of you have your own web pages. How do any of you
reccommend that a early model EE get updated and learn this technology.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Bob, there are many on-line resources available to get started.
Do a search on HTML and Tutorial.
Carlos
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Bob Unternaehrer <shilocom@mcmsys.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by:
"Bob Unternaehrer"
I notice that many of you have your own web pages. How do any of you reccommend
that a early model EE get updated and learn this technology.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
Forget Front Page, it is complex and has all the typical MS
bugs. Plus, it generates non-compliant HTML (that is, it doesn't
always work with all compliant browsers).
Nvu is free and works very well. There are other free editors, but I
use this one for our EAA chapter's website and have had no problems with it.
www.nvu.com
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version=3.0.3
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
FrontPage(tm) will also (optionally) use "extensions" which will make your
web pages only work on a Microsoft server. What a surprise.
There are plenty of good web page creation tools on the 'net for free.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug kandle
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pages
--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
Forget Front Page, it is complex and has all the typical MS bugs. Plus, it
generates non-compliant HTML (that is, it doesn't always work with all
compliant browsers).
Nvu is free and works very well. There are other free editors, but I use
this one for our EAA chapter's website and have had no problems with it.
www.nvu.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I run several web sites. Learned everything thru experience and the browse
and borrow method. HTML is fairly simple there are opening tags and the
same tag to close but uses a slash in front of the command e.g... for
bold to stop the bold
I had one site that the webmaster required the use of FrontPage. Besides
being cumbersome, it cost $150. The code was very bloated so I hand code
most every thing. I use arachnophelia for my web editor as it displays the
code and easily permits the inject of the HTML tags.
You could get some sort of reference about HTML so you can find some
examples. But find a simple site that you like, right click and look at the
code IF it is NOT flash. Change the text to show what you what to display
and try it out. Many ISPs provide "home pages" so you can create you own.
There are several Free hosts like Egoists, Tripod, and others. There are
tutorials at many of these to get started.
Start simple, then make it fancy.
Cy Galley - Webmaster
www.edgewoodaggregates.com
Cy Galley - MVR Webmaster
www.aaca.org/mvr
Cy Galley - Webmaster www.qcbc.org
The last site I listed has about 100 different pages all linked. All it took
was time.
You probably will want to get an FTP client as well as a web utility as
these will make the job easier.
I have never used NVU but the price is right.
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
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From: "doug kandle" <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pages
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
>
> Forget Front Page, it is complex and has all the typical MS
> bugs. Plus, it generates non-compliant HTML (that is, it doesn't
> always work with all compliant browsers).
>
> Nvu is free and works very well. There are other free editors, but I
> use this one for our EAA chapter's website and have had no problems with
> it.
> www.nvu.com
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R <rick@n701rr.com>
Bob,
Mine is simple Yahoo Geocities. www.geocities.com. It ain't the best in the world but its free and way user friendly.
Low & Slow,
I notice that many of you have your own web pages. How do any of you
reccommend that a early model EE get updated and learn this technology.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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Rick
Orlando, FL. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
Bob,
Be careful you don't get sucked into the computer black hole of web site
building instead of plane building.
Tailwinds, ...neil
601XL/Corvair
Cincinnati
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On Tue Jan 03 at 5:57 PM, Bob Unternaehrer (shilocom@mcmsys.com) wrote:
I notice that many of you have your own web pages. How do any of you
recommend
that a early model EE get updated and learn this technology.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
UH-OH! Here we go...ask a bunch of geeks about the best way to build a web
sight....I, for one, appreciate the question as I would like to know the
answer. Get ready for 100 replies, and 100 different answers!
Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca
<gboothe@calply.com>
601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete
Tail Group - complete. Working on Wings...
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From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Pages
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
> I notice that many of you have your own web pages. How do any of you
> reccommend that a early model EE get updated and learn this technology.
>
> Blue Skies
> Bob Unternaehrer
> shilocom@mcmsys.com
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
I'm not going to touch this one with a 10 foot pole!! I really need to
get more work done on the plane.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com /
www.can-zacaviation.com
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary A.
Boothe
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pages
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
UH-OH! Here we go...ask a bunch of geeks about the best way to build a
web
sight....I, for one, appreciate the question as I would like to know the
answer. Get ready for 100 replies, and 100 different answers!
Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca
<gboothe@calply.com>
601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete
Tail Group - complete. Working on Wings...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Pages
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
> I notice that many of you have your own web pages. How do any of you
> reccommend that a early model EE get updated and learn this
technology.
>
> Blue Skies
> Bob Unternaehrer
> shilocom@mcmsys.com
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
I don't even want to talk about the software I have to write for the
computer in my control panel. Trust a programmer to turn an exercise in
sheet metal into a software project.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nhulin
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Pages
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
Bob,
Be careful you don't get sucked into the computer black hole of web site
building instead of plane building.
Tailwinds, ...neil
601XL/Corvair
Cincinnati
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On Tue Jan 03 at 5:57 PM, Bob Unternaehrer (shilocom@mcmsys.com) wrote:
I notice that many of you have your own web pages. How do any of you
recommend
that a early model EE get updated and learn this technology.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Wing painting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Yes, there is where we hold our wings for painting. Works great if you test first
to hang the wings at your best "painting height".
To prevent painting from -running drops- (sorry for my english) we also hang
them from the alerion hinges to put the surface to paint in 45 deg. worked
great. Larry my brother is the expert painter.
We made our painting room from a portable shade, the one that compress to a
big sac... Very common at SAM's we just used the structure with clear plastic
over it and a fan.... Used green thin disponsable kitchen cloth as filter
for dirt particle , where duct taped to holes in the clear plastic. Inexpensive
and usefull filters :-0.
Larry was. always betwen the fan and the wing, with a respirator mask with ouside
air pumped, Sherwin Williams Chromo One paint.. Great paint but be carefull
using always a well fitted mask and respirator... Same for most all of
the paints.
Great advantage for the rag and tube builders that can use outdoor Latex paint...
well OT material :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Chuck Deiterich <cfd@thegateway.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich"
Initially, I only painted the fuselage and tail on my 701. When I get
ready
to paint the wings I will drain the tanks, remove the slats and flapperons
and then remove the wings..
For painting, can I safely hang the wings from the slat attach support
brackets?
Thanks,
> Chuck D.
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
As most of us, I am no expert in web pages... but I will like to know where I
can get a program to build a page similar to this one:
http://www.fighterultralight.com/portal.php
Look around this page, has EVERITHING a aviaton page needs. Probably the designer
is an expert... Or I dont know nothing but build free Tripod pages :-)
I will be happy building a similar page myself.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle
Forget Front Page, it is complex and has all the typical MS
bugs. Plus, it generates non-compliant HTML (that is, it doesn't
always work with all compliant browsers).
Nvu is free and works very well. There are other free editors, but I
use this one for our EAA chapter's website and have had no problems with it.
www.nvu.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Yes! That is a real BIG builder's danger... I Just use the computer when is
to late (or too early in Suturday or Sunday mornings) to make "building noises"
or too cold (for you up there) to build in the unheated garage.
Saludos
Gary Gower
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nhulin <nhulin@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin"
Bob,
Be careful you don't get sucked into the computer black hole of web site
building instead of plane building.
Tailwinds, ...neil
601XL/Corvair
Cincinnati
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On Tue Jan 03 at 5:57 PM, Bob Unternaehrer (shilocom@mcmsys.com) wrote:
I notice that many of you have your own web pages. How do any of you
recommend
that a early model EE get updated and learn this technology.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Im ready!!!
Saludos
Gary Gower.
"Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe"
UH-OH! Here we go...ask a bunch of geeks about the best way to build a web
sight....I, for one, appreciate the question as I would like to know the
answer. Get ready for 100 replies, and 100 different answers!
Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca
601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete
Tail Group - complete. Working on Wings...
Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Venables" <roger@nwtradingpost.com>
Gary
Web site Used Cobalt Template
Download from http://www.phpbbhacks.com/download/2196
Enjoy
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pages....
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
As most of us, I am no expert in web pages... but I will like to know where
I can get a program to build a page similar to this one:
http://www.fighterultralight.com/portal.php
Look around this page, has EVERITHING a aviaton page needs. Probably the
designer is an expert... Or I dont know nothing but build free Tripod pages
:-)
I will be happy building a similar page myself.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle
Forget Front Page, it is complex and has all the typical MS
bugs. Plus, it generates non-compliant HTML (that is, it doesn't
always work with all compliant browsers).
Nvu is free and works very well. There are other free editors, but I
use this one for our EAA chapter's website and have had no problems with it.
www.nvu.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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