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1. 03:45 AM - Re: Pages (ruruny@aol.com)
2. 06:25 AM - Re: The Closing of Realito (L67) Airport (n801bh@netzero.com)
3. 06:32 AM - Re: Pages.... (Garrou, Douglas)
4. 07:09 AM - 701 pitot tube (doug kandle)
5. 07:13 AM - Re: Pages (Larry McFarland)
6. 07:32 AM - Re: 701 pitot tube (Jon Croke)
7. 08:55 AM - Re: 701 pitot tube (Larry McFarland)
8. 08:59 AM - Re: Pages.... (cgalley)
9. 09:32 AM - Re: Pages.... (Randy L. Thwing)
10. 09:43 AM - Re: HD vs HDS (Leo Gates)
11. 10:01 AM - Re: 701 pitot tube (doug kandle)
12. 10:27 AM - Re: Long Range Fuel Tanks (Lance Gingell)
13. 11:14 AM - First Flight (Beckman, Rick)
14. 11:32 AM - Re: First Flight (Doug Sire)
15. 11:39 AM - Re: 701 pitot tube (Ed Jeffko)
16. 11:42 AM - Re: First Flight (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
17. 11:51 AM - Re: First Flight (Paul Mulwitz)
18. 12:13 PM - Re: First Flight (Craig Payne)
19. 12:36 PM - Re: First Flight (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
20. 01:26 PM - Re: First Flight (Larry McFarland)
21. 01:55 PM - Re: First Flight (ron dewees)
22. 02:13 PM - 601 XL Autopilot? (Don Mountain)
23. 02:28 PM - Re: 601 XL Autopilot? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
24. 04:03 PM - Re: Scapbuilding help (Jim Hoak)
25. 04:17 PM - Re: 601 XL Autopilot? (Allen Ricks)
26. 04:18 PM - Re: First Flight (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
27. 04:43 PM - Re: First Flight (Jim Hoak)
28. 05:45 PM - Re: First Flight (Jeff Davidson)
29. 05:55 PM - Re: First Flight (Craig Payne)
30. 06:27 PM - Re: 601 XL Autopilot? (Mike Fothergill)
31. 06:30 PM - Re: 701 Wing painting (NYTerminat@aol.com)
32. 06:54 PM - Re: 701 pitot tube (NYTerminat@aol.com)
33. 07:49 PM - Re: First Flight (Leo Gates)
34. 07:58 PM - Re: First Flight (Don Walker)
35. 07:59 PM - Re: First Flight (Charles Deiterich)
36. 08:16 PM - Re: First Flight (Don Walker)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ruruny@aol.com
Bob,
Bob,
You will want to learn a wysiwyg(what you see is what you get)editor, such as Microsoft
Frontpage or
Macromedia Dreamweaver. A book from Borders or Barnes and Noble in the computer
section such as "Learn Dreamweaver Visually" are a great help in understanding
the basics of site building.
I find Lynda.com a great site to learn any program about Web site building programs.
They have online
video courses for Frontpage, all Macromedia products, all Adobe products. It costs
$25 a month for access to every one of these courses. Once you sign up, work
as fast as you can and learn as much as you can in that month, then cancel
the subscription. This blows away learning this stuff from a book. Look at Yahoo
also, they have a program to build and post your site.
Remember, building your plane is more important. I am going to build a site when
the plane is done.
Brian
How do any of you reccommend
that a early model EE get updated and learn this technology.
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| Subject: | Re: The Closing of Realito (L67) Airport |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
> Thanks for contacting AOPA and for your comments on L67. AOPA never gave
> up the fight to keep L67 open. Congress slipped an amendment into the
> huge
> highway appropriations bill giving Rialto the authority to sell L67. The
> following link will take you to the story:
> http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050802ca.html
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Aopa is the organization that takes our money and claims they have an extensive
network entrenched on the hill to fight for our rights. You would think they
would expect some crooked rep would slip in a amendment into a large bill to sneak
something through. Looks like Aopa was asleep at the switch or worse yet,
in bed with the crooks. Here is what I am going to do, since I am in control
of my check book I am going to send in my renewel notice that Aopa sends out and
then blame my wife for removing said check from the envelope. Ya gotta love
equel justice........
do not archive
Thanks for contacting AOPA and for your comments on L67. AOPA never gave
up the fight to keep L67 open. Congress slipped an amendment into the
huge
highway appropriations bill giving Rialto the authority to sell L67. The
following link will take you to the story:
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050802ca.html
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Aopa is the organization that takes our money and claims they have an extensive
network entrenched on the hill to fight for our rights. You would think they
would expect some crooked rep would slip in a amendment into a large bill to sneak
something through. Looks like Aopa was asleep at the switch or worse yet,
in bed with the crooks. Here is what I am going to do, since I am in control
of my check book I am going to send in my renewel notice that Aopa sends out and
then blame my wife for removing said check from the envelope. Ya gotta love
equel justice........
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
If you have a Mac, or access to a Mac, there's nothing easier than their automated web page process (through .Mac). It's dirt simple. I take pictures, plug my camera into my computer (the photos are then automatically sucked into iPhoto), click on the pictures I want, and press a button -- and boom, a new web page is published. That's how I do www.garrou.com. Admittedly, it's the world's most gut-level builder's web page, but it may be helpful to somebody.
-----Original Message-----
Time: 11:02:51 PM PST US
From: "Roger Venables" <roger@nwtradingpost.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pages....
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Venables" <roger@nwtradingpost.com>
Gary
Web site Used Cobalt Template
Download from http://www.phpbbhacks.com/download/2196
Enjoy
Roger
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
I am getting ready to rivet up the wing with the pitot tube on
it. It appears to me that once I attach the pitot tube it will be
hard to move the wing around without running the risk of breaking off the tube.
Did anyone have a good solution for this problem? Is there some
simple way to make this tube/plate assembly removable? I also worry
that if I leave the tube unattached and plan to rivet in the
tube/plate later, that I will loose the tubing inside the wing and
will be unable to recover it without cutting a hole in the wing.
Are my concerns warranted, or should I just connect and rivet up the
pitot system and hope I don't bump it while finishing up the plane?
Doug Kandle
CH701
Boise ID
Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done Working on 2nd Wing
Jabiru 2200
From complete kit
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Bob,
If you're lucky enough to have a friend or relative that can build a
website, the maintenance isn't too much to learn.
Then you can back into the knowledge needed to make changes, add pages
and do your own maintenance. At least
it's easier than the initial construction. Short of that, I'd have been
another year in construction of my plane before having a site.
I'd recommend you get someone to put the initial pages together and do
your startup, then coach you on the necessary
detail like picture sizing and organizing your name usage for images,
etc. It seems like a big project, but I'm coming from
the perspective of using a program called Dream Weaver, which is huge.
Probably much more program than needed for
what we typically do. Otherwise, go to Border's or Barns and Nobel book
stores and ask for books on web site construction.
A lot's changed the past few years and it has to be simpler than it was
when I started.
Hope you find it a little easier than I did.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Bob Unternaehrer wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
>I notice that many of you have your own web pages. How do any of you reccommend
that a early model EE get updated and learn this technology.
>
>Blue Skies
>Bob Unternaehrer
>shilocom@mcmsys.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 pitot tube |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Doug,
One of many solutions - something that worked for me... is to cut the pitot
tube and insert a 1-2" plastic tube over the cut ends and reconnect them...
this way when you bump the tube it will flex and not break. Another method
is to mount the pitot on the struts rather than the wing (no hose to lose).
I bet you'll get some more good suggestions from this list!
Jon
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
>
> I am getting ready to rivet up the wing with the pitot tube on
> it. It appears to me that once I attach the pitot tube it will be
> hard to move the wing around without running the risk of breaking off the
> tube.
> Did anyone have a good solution for this problem? Is there some
> simple way to make this tube/plate assembly removable? I also worry
> that if I leave the tube unattached and plan to rivet in the
> tube/plate later, that I will loose the tubing inside the wing and
> will be unable to recover it without cutting a hole in the wing.
> Are my concerns warranted, or should I just connect and rivet up the
> pitot system and hope I don't bump it while finishing up the plane?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 pitot tube |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Doug,
Don't just attach the Pitot to the wing. Put it on an inspection plate
or a plate on your strut
so you can remove it during inspection and repair or replace it if it
gets damaged.
I made my pitot and attached it to the bottom of the wing as an
inspection plate.
It works fine there and was removed during the first annual for inspection.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/pilelerouting/full/Pitot-number-2-(2).gif
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
do not archive
doug kandle wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
>
>I am getting ready to rivet up the wing with the pitot tube on
>it. It appears to me that once I attach the pitot tube it will be
>hard to move the wing around without running the risk of breaking off the tube.
>Did anyone have a good solution for this problem? Is there some
>simple way to make this tube/plate assembly removable? I also worry
>that if I leave the tube unattached and plan to rivet in the
>tube/plate later, that I will loose the tubing inside the wing and
>will be unable to recover it without cutting a hole in the wing.
>Are my concerns warranted, or should I just connect and rivet up the
>pitot system and hope I don't bump it while finishing up the plane?
>
>Doug Kandle
>CH701
>Boise ID
>Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done Working on 2nd Wing
>Jabiru 2200
> From complete kit
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Windows also has a program like that called Picture Show Wizard. Works
great.
Cy Galley - Webmaster www.qcbc.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pages....
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
>
> If you have a Mac, or access to a Mac, there's nothing easier than their
> automated web page process (through .Mac). It's dirt simple. I take
> pictures, plug my camera into my computer (the photos are then
> automatically sucked into iPhoto), click on the pictures I want, and press
> a button -- and boom, a new web page is published. That's how I do
> www.garrou.com. Admittedly, it's the world's most gut-level builder's web
> page, but it may be helpful to somebody.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Time: 11:02:51 PM PST US
> From: "Roger Venables" <roger@nwtradingpost.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pages....
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Venables"
> <roger@nwtradingpost.com>
>
> Gary
>
> Web site Used Cobalt Template
>
> Download from http://www.phpbbhacks.com/download/2196
>
> Enjoy
>
> Roger
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Check this link for simplified, inexpensive web building software even I
could make work With a few clicks you can have a webpage up.
https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/website.asp?se=%2B&ci=416
Randy Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates <leogates@allvantage.com>
ron dewees wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
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>Leo,
>Thanks for the information. What is the empty weight of your HDS?
>
>Ron
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Seems I never answered this. Empty weight 674 lbs.
Leo
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| Subject: | Re: 701 pitot tube |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
I am working from a kit so my pitot is already made. The plate is
50mm by 50mm, not big enough to call it an inspection plate and not
big enough to cover a hole that I could fit a useful tool into the
wing. I also can't attach it to the strut because, again, it is
already made to attach under the wing.
An inspection plate behind the spar is an option, but I don't see why
it would be much easier to put in the plate now rather than
later(except for the painting issue) if I screw up and loose the tube
inside the wing and then needed it.
At 09:54 AM 1/4/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>Doug,
>Don't just attach the Pitot to the wing. Put it on an inspection plate
>or a plate on your strut
>so you can remove it during inspection and repair or replace it if it
>gets damaged.
>I made my pitot and attached it to the bottom of the wing as an
>inspection plate.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Long Range Fuel Tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Nope, Its a nosedragger...
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
----- Original Message -----
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Long Range Fuel Tanks
<lgingell@matrix-logic.com <mailto:lgingell@matrix-logic.com> >
> Doug,
> I have a flying XL with 2 x 12 Gal wing tanks.....
> Also, my fuel vents dribble fuel when the tanks are fairly full and
I'm
> taxiing. If I'm not careful I can slosh out a gallon or so overboard
> through the vent just on the ground! Makes 12 gal a bit optimistic
when
> the first couple never get to the engine!...
> ..lance
Lance,
Is your 601 a taildragger? I'm hoping my tri-gear won't slobber as
bad.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
=09
=09
Happy New Year, All Y'all !
I have a question: How many of you used a test pilot on the first
flight?
My young bride wants me to give up that once in a lifetime event.
So does my Doctor. I think he's the one prompting her to such thoughts.
Any thoughts worth reading?
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
Personally, I think it would be safest (for you and the airplane) if you
get several hours "in type" and then fly it yourself. That's what I plan
to do. Unless the test pilot has a number of hours in the same
configuration that you are building, their experience doesn't count for
all that much.
Doug Sire
601XL (waiting on kit)
> Happy New Year, All Y'all !
>
> I have a question: How many of you used a test pilot on
> the first flight?
>
> My young bride wants me to give up that once in a lifetime
> event. So does my Doctor. I think he's the one prompting
> her to such thoughts. Any thoughts worth reading?
>
> Rick
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 pitot tube |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Jeffko" <riovista@bossig.com>
Mount it on an inspection plate... easily rtemoved
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 pitot tube
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I did not use a test pilot.
In fact the only thing I'd flown regularly before was a cessna. I had
not flown for 4 months prior to the maiden voyage. And had a total time
of about 90 hours.
So I needed some time with a stick and a low wing. Nearest thing was an
Acroduster, which is a biplane. I shot like like 4 approaches in this
beast...Didn't land it of course as I'd never landed a taildragger.
I spent quite a bit of time doing little hops/high speed taxi.
Must say the HDS was a dream to fly...piece of cake...Just keep some
power on right through the landing flair till you get used to it.
I do not recommend this approach at all but there was no way to get any
time in a similar model...I have 'checked out" a few builders in my HDS
and they all reported no problems when making the first flight.
For the RV I will be getting transition training however as I too am now
married...:)
Frank
HDS 387 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beckman,
Rick
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick"
--> <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
=09
=09
Happy New Year, All Y'all !
I have a question: How many of you used a test pilot on
the first flight?
My young bride wants me to give up that once in a
lifetime event. So does my Doctor. I think he's the one prompting
her to such thoughts. Any thoughts worth reading?
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Rick,
First, let me say my wife is smart enough not to give me a choice
between her or my plane. My doctor has already said she would be
delighted to go for a ride in my plane.
In my case, I have not yet completed my plane, but when I do there
isn't enough force in the world to get me to allow someone else to test fly it.
In all fairness, I am qualified to do the test flying. I have had a
private license for 35 years, and my stick and rudder skills are
considerably above average. I know this because I used to scare
flight instructors - they told me they didn't have any skill margin
over me so they could not recover a plane if I lost it. Even after
that, they were still willing to go flying with me under very
marginal conditions.
In your case, I suggest you do a fair evaluation of your own
skills. It would be wise to take advantage of an EAA advisor to help
you do a fair analysis (I plan to to that). I also suggest you take
whatever steps are necessary or even reasonable to build your skills
to a sufficient point where it is a reasonably safe bet that you can
handle the flight testing. If necessary, fly rental planes for a
couple of hundred hours to build the necessary skills.
After all that, I suggest you have a nice frank talk with your spouse
and doctor. Let them know how you really feel and give them a chance
to reconsider their positions with the full knowledge that if they
put themselves between you and your plane they might just end up with
the fuzzy end of the stick.
Good luck,
Paul
XL wings
> I have a question: How many of you used a test
> pilot on the first flight?
>
> My young bride wants me to give up that once in a
> lifetime event. So does my Doctor. I think he's the one
> prompting her to such thoughts. Any thoughts worth reading?
>
> Rick
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Personally I am torn. I don't think I have enough experience overall to
recover from some unexpected event. On the other hand there was that case
back east where the builder had a very experienced pilot (multiple thousands
of hours) do the first flight. As the builder watched the plane took off,
crashed into a building and the test pilot killed. The plane even had a BRS
and the pilot had been specifically instructed on arming and firing it. I
don't know that I can morally ask someone else to test my plane even if both
of us had gone over it with a fine-toothed comb.
So that leaves me testing it myself. Which brings up the oft-posed question:
is it better to just lift off on the first run and climb or do some short
hops first?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beckman, Rick
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick"
--> <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
=09
=09
Happy New Year, All Y'all !
I have a question: How many of you used a test pilot on the
first flight?
My young bride wants me to give up that once in a lifetime
event. So does my Doctor. I think he's the one prompting her to such
thoughts. Any thoughts worth reading?
Rick
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I certainly felt I had a feeling for its control during the high speed
taxi. I had a 6000ft runway and advised traffic I would be doing a
ground run only.
The naughty boy that I am I did allow it to lift off to 10 or 20 feet on
a number of these runs...I felt very comfortable come flight time..
Like you I could not imagine allowing somebody else to take the risk.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First Flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
--> <craig@craigandjean.com>
Personally I am torn. I don't think I have enough experience overall to
recover from some unexpected event. On the other hand there was that
case back east where the builder had a very experienced pilot (multiple
thousands of hours) do the first flight. As the builder watched the
plane took off, crashed into a building and the test pilot killed. The
plane even had a BRS and the pilot had been specifically instructed on
arming and firing it. I don't know that I can morally ask someone else
to test my plane even if both of us had gone over it with a fine-toothed
comb.
So that leaves me testing it myself. Which brings up the oft-posed
question:
is it better to just lift off on the first run and climb or do some
short hops first?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beckman,
Rick
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick"
--> <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
=09
=09
Happy New Year, All Y'all !
I have a question: How many of you used a test pilot on
the first flight?
My young bride wants me to give up that once in a
lifetime
event. So does my Doctor. I think he's the one prompting her to
such
thoughts. Any thoughts worth reading?
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Rick,
If you're a good basic pilot with the necessity of flying a basic
aircraft that you've built and you have health, currency of medical
and a willingness to fly with an instructor in a similar aircraft,
there's no good reason to not fly first flight yourself. If your doctor
thinks you'll faint, you need another doctor. If your wife presumes her
judgment is better than yours, you have bigger problems to
deal with. You have to make this decision all by yourself, otherwise
you'll have to ask her for weather briefings to go flying.
Seriously, your first flight is going to be something that will occur
even if it is or isn't the first flight of your aircraft. It's going to be
something new and I wouldn't want to give that up just because the wife
says you can't do it. And an ATP pilot won't do it any better
than you would.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Beckman, Rick wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
> Happy New Year, All Y'all !
>
> I have a question: How many of you used a test pilot on the first
flight?
>
> My young bride wants me to give up that once in a lifetime event.
So does my Doctor. I think he's the one prompting her to such thoughts.
Any thoughts worth reading?
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Rick,
I guess I am the odd duck on this question. I fly a 601 HDS taildragger
out of a 2200 foot turf strip with limited space for emergency
landings. I had no reason to expect a problem with the plane and have
several hundred hours in taildraggers and many more in complex
aircraft. That being said I was fortunate enough to have a pilot at our
field who has owned over 60 different planes and flown several hundred
more. He is so thorough that he researched the airfoil of the 601 and
found that it was the same one as a Bebe Jodel, which he had a lot of
experience with. He knew what to expect before he ever taxied it and
could almost have written the cruse and stall numbers before trying them
out.
He offered to do the checkout flight and I stood by and recorded
numbers over the radio. I still felt like a proud papa and my ego
wasn't bruised at all. My first flight was a non event for the plane
but a sky high one for me. I felt like I had an edge since I knew there
weren't going to be reversed controls, extreme trim problems or fuel
flow difficulties. If I had it to do again, I would! Not because he
had a gazillion hours, but because he know what to expect and was a lot
more objective than I was.
I would certainly agree that the HDS is a great plane, easy to fly,
and a LOT of fun. There just isn't (to me) a reason to add emotions to
a challenging first flight experience when talented pilots could improve
the odds of a successful event.
That's my experience. Your results may vary, etc.
Ron
Beckman, Rick wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
>
>=09
>=09
> Happy New Year, All Y'all !
>
> I have a question: How many of you used a test pilot on the first
flight?
>
> My young bride wants me to give up that once in a lifetime event.
So does my Doctor. I think he's the one prompting her to such thoughts.
Any thoughts worth reading?
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 XL Autopilot? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I have flown in another plane that had an autopilot, and recognize the usefullness
it would provide on long cross-country trips. I am considering installing
one in my 601 XL, and wonder if anyone else has done so. What sort of trouble
they had, and what equipment they installed. I would like to have both
altitude and horizontal control. I now use a Garmin handheld 295 GPS, and
wonder if that can be used to drive the autopilot from the current route being
flown. Do any of them allow this?
Don
601 XL, tail done, working on wings
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| Subject: | 601 XL Autopilot? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
The Truetrack line of A/P can be driven from virtually any handheld
GPS..AS long as there is an output.
If you have a pictorial pilot this will give you a stabilised turn
coordinator display as well.
A single axis will cost $1500 to $1900 and the second axis (altitude
hold) will cost about $1500
They also do a combined two axis control but I think this is a little
more money.
I have an HDS and if I was keeping the airplane I would install a single
axis trutrack in a heartbeat.
Frank
HDS 387 hours
RV7A. Last 10%
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Mountain
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Autopilot?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I have flown in another plane that had an autopilot, and recognize the
usefullness it would provide on long cross-country trips. I am
considering installing one in my 601 XL, and wonder if anyone else has
done so. What sort of trouble they had, and what equipment they
installed. I would like to have both altitude and horizontal control.
I now use a Garmin handheld 295 GPS, and wonder if that can be used to
drive the autopilot from the current route being flown. Do any of them
allow this?
Don
601 XL, tail done, working on wings
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Scapbuilding help |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Kevin,
If I had to choose between slightly long or slightly short I would go with
the "short". Too long rivets will bend easier.
Jim H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Scapbuilding help
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> Thanks Jim. Good to hear from the Basic sheet metal workshop co-chair. So
> which would you use? I went ahead and ordered some -8's.
>
> .5625-.287= .276 showing with -9's
> .500-.287 = .213 showing with -8's
> 5/32 X 1.5 = .234
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
>
> Kevin,
>
> Keep in mind that the 1.5D thing is a recemmendation, not a hard and fast
> thing. As long as the rivets are tight in the hole (especially in the
> spar)
> and are set "enough", are not cracked, are not Bent or "toed" they will be
> fine. That is unless you are building a show plane where someone will be
> inside your wing measuring the "bucked" rivet head sizes. I bet you will
> be
> fine!
>
> Jim Hoak 601HD flying 500hrs.
> Co-Chairman Basic Sheet Metal Workshop - SunNFun
>
> do not archive
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>>
>> I ordered some Nylon from Aircraft Spruce. The catalog didn't specify
>> resin
>> content, but it came in as Nylon 42. The plans call for "Nylon 66" in
>> some
>> places and "plastic" in others (such as elevator fairlead on the Front HT
>> Frame). Anyone have any thoughts on whether or not I should use it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, tonight I started checking to see if I had the correct size solid
>> rivets for the Center Spar. Where the plans call for AN-470-AD-5-9 (which
>> is
>> .5625") these seem to be too long. Doing the math, a 5/32 diameter rivet
>> is
>> .156" and 1.5 times is .234" for MIN and MAX (I am interpreting the 1.5D
>> supplied in AC43.13-1b as MAX diameter). My spar cap and web measure
>> .287"
>> Subtract that from .5625 and I get .278 which is outside the range of
>> between .156" and .234". Looks like I need to order some AN-470-AD-5-8's
>> instead. Anyone else have this issue? Or am I missing something.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 XL Autopilot? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
The other option I would look at, though I have no experience with either is
the Trio Avionics unit. It runs less than $1800 with the servo, which seems
to
be in the ball park price wise.
I have a lot more research to do before making a decision, but I think the
Tru-Track and the EZ-pilot are the two most reasonably priced and simple.
I like the emergency course reversal (automatic 180 turn feature) on the
EZ pilot.
http://www.trioavionics.com/
Allen Ricks
Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL Autopilot?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
The Truetrack line of A/P can be driven from virtually any handheld
GPS..AS long as there is an output.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I have flown in another plane that had an autopilot, and recognize the
usefullness it would provide on long cross-country trips. I am
considering installing one in my 601 XL, and wonder if anyone else has
done so. What sort of trouble they had, and what equipment they
installed. I would like to have both altitude and horizontal control.
I now use a Garmin handheld 295 GPS, and wonder if that can be used to
drive the autopilot from the current route being flown. Do any of them
allow this?
Don
601 XL, tail done, working on wings
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Rick, I had the test pilot from AMD in Eastman fly my XL for the first flight
and I know for me it was the correct decision. I was so concerned about my
"baby" that I was a nervous wreck and I'm not ashamed to say it. I flew it the
second and all subsequent 50 plus hours and I do not regret it. Instead of just
flying and surviving I am sure I would have been analyzing every sound, bump
and ding to the point of absolute distraction. FWIW. Bill
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Rick and others,
FWIW I did some "Flight Advisor" work many years before the EAA started a
formal program. I have test flown all three of my homebuilt airplanes. I
have had problems on the first flight. Have a minimum properly briefed
groung crew. Let them do all the recording of numbers etc. I strongly urge
you to work with an EAA flight advisor if possible. Remember you will truly
be a test pilot!
Make sure you have a reasonable amount of current flying time. Prefeably in
similar or same type of aircraft.
Some taxiing is necessary, but be careful of "high speed" taxiing especially
with tail draggers. I've had personsal friends tear up airplanes doing this.
Get the airplane in the air, get comfortable with it, practice a couple of
approaches at altitude, noting the speed. Use this to determine the approach
speed for the first landing.
Don't be too proud to use a "test pilot".
Jim Hoak
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
>
> =09
> =09
> Happy New Year, All Y'all !
>
> I have a question: How many of you used a test pilot on
> the first flight?
>
> My young bride wants me to give up that once in a lifetime
> event. So does my Doctor. I think he's the one prompting her to
> such thoughts. Any thoughts worth reading?
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
"Personally I am torn. I don't think I have enough experience overall to
recover from some unexpected event. On the other hand there was that case
back east where the builder had a very experienced pilot (multiple thousands
of hours) do the first flight. "
At least one lister had Nick and Roger come out from Mexico (MO), inspect
the plane, generate a "punch list" of things to correct, and do the first
flight. The advantage here is that both Nick and Roger know this plane very
well from both the building and flying perspectives. If there is any moral
question, certainly these two are very well qualified and extremely capable.
It was expensive, but I remember the lister saying it was worth it.
Jeff Davidson
CH 601 HD w/Jabiru 3300A
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
I have also heard (second-hand) that you can go to Mexico, MO for
familiarization flights in the factory demos. Has anyone done this?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Davidson
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First Flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson"
--> <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
"Personally I am torn. I don't think I have enough experience overall to
recover from some unexpected event. On the other hand there was that case
back east where the builder had a very experienced pilot (multiple thousands
of hours) do the first flight. "
At least one lister had Nick and Roger come out from Mexico (MO), inspect
the plane, generate a "punch list" of things to correct, and do the first
flight. The advantage here is that both Nick and Roger know this plane very
well from both the building and flying perspectives. If there is any moral
question, certainly these two are very well qualified and extremely capable.
It was expensive, but I remember the lister saying it was worth it.
Jeff Davidson
CH 601 HD w/Jabiru 3300A
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Autopilot? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi Don;
I have the Trio AP & altitude hold in my CH-601HDS that is coupled to
the Garmin 295. They work very well. It is a very light system ,easy to
install and setup.
Mike
CH-601HDS 1200+ hours
UHS Spinners
Don Mountain wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
> I have flown in another plane that had an autopilot, and recognize the usefullness
it would provide on long cross-country trips. I am considering installing
one in my 601 XL, and wonder if anyone else has done so. What sort of
trouble they had, and what equipment they installed. I would like to have both
altitude and horizontal control. I now use a Garmin handheld 295 GPS, and
wonder if that can be used to drive the autopilot from the current route being
flown. Do any of them allow this?
>
> Don
> 601 XL, tail done, working on wings
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Wing painting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
That is how I did my final clear coat.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/ 912S
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| Subject: | Re: 701 pitot tube |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
I installed it in sequence per the dwgs. If I had to do it over I would have
made it removable. It is always in the way and easy to forget that it is there.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX
do not archive
In a message dated 1/4/2006 10:10:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
d_kandle@velocitus.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
I am getting ready to rivet up the wing with the pitot tube on
it. It appears to me that once I attach the pitot tube it will be
hard to move the wing around without running the risk of breaking off the
tube.
Did anyone have a good solution for this problem?
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates <leogates@allvantage.com>
I did 10 to 15 short hops. I had no surprises. Trim was OK and the
plane seemed to land itself, after pulling the power back. Then I had
my DAR inspection. He said, "You have short hopped it, right?"
Leo Gates
N601Z
82 hrs and I still can't stop smiling!
Do not archive.
Craig Payne wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
>
>So that leaves me testing it myself. Which brings up the oft-posed question:
>is it better to just lift off on the first run and climb or do some short
>hops first?
>
>-- Craig
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
I flew the prototype HDS three times. Twice in Mexico and once at the Tulsa fly
-in in 1992.
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne<mailto:craig@craigandjean.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First Flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com<mailto:craig@craigandjean.com>>
I have also heard (second-hand) that you can go to Mexico, MO for
familiarization flights in the factory demos. Has anyone done this?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Davidson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First Flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson"
--> <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net<mailto:jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>>
"Personally I am torn. I don't think I have enough experience overall to
recover from some unexpected event. On the other hand there was that case
back east where the builder had a very experienced pilot (multiple thousands
of hours) do the first flight. "
At least one lister had Nick and Roger come out from Mexico (MO), inspect
the plane, generate a "punch list" of things to correct, and do the first
flight. The advantage here is that both Nick and Roger know this plane very
well from both the building and flying perspectives. If there is any moral
question, certainly these two are very well qualified and extremely capable.
It was expensive, but I remember the lister saying it was worth it.
Jeff Davidson
CH 601 HD w/Jabiru 3300A
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Zenith alowed me to fly their 701 with Roger in the right seat before I
flew mine. I did have a very expeienced pilot fly my 701 the first time
though.
Chuck D.
N701TX
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> I have also heard (second-hand) that you can go to Mexico, MO for
> familiarization flights in the factory demos. Has anyone done this?
>
> -- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
If you have a real desire to test fly your plane, you can do it...but you must
prepare yourself. some good advice has been given about doing that.
Regarding taxi testing, I recommend lots of it with gradually increasing speeds
to the point of taxiing at steady speedwith the nose wheel up or the tail up.
I personally think High speed taxiing is good to build up to in a tail dragger.
But work up to this in steps. These designs are solid in their controls and
manageable as you get a feel for them with increasing taxi runs with increased
speed...20, 30, 40, 50..up to 60+ in a tail dragger. Do numerous runs at
each speed until you are confident of the feel of controls.
Faa Advice is to test ground handling throughout the range. I wanted to know
what mine was going to feel like as it hit the ground, so I taxi tested to 70
mph numerous times with nothing but solid control feel in the HDS... by then
I had no fears of flying the plane. don Walker HDS taildragger 365 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hoak<mailto:planejim@bellsouth.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net<mailto:planejim@bellsouth.net>>
Rick and others,
FWIW I did some "Flight Advisor" work many years before the EAA started a
formal program. I have test flown all three of my homebuilt airplanes. I
have had problems on the first flight. Have a minimum properly briefed
groung crew. Let them do all the recording of numbers etc. I strongly urge
you to work with an EAA flight advisor if possible. Remember you will truly
be a test pilot!
Make sure you have a reasonable amount of current flying time. Prefeably in
similar or same type of aircraft.
Some taxiing is necessary, but be careful of "high speed" taxiing especially
with tail draggers. I've had personsal friends tear up airplanes doing this.
Get the airplane in the air, get comfortable with it, practice a couple of
approaches at altitude, noting the speed. Use this to determine the approach
speed for the first landing.
Don't be too proud to use a "test pilot".
Jim Hoak
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com<mailto:Rick.Beckman@atk.com>>
To: "MATRONICS LIST" <zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com<mailto:Rick.Beckman@atk.com>>
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> Happy New Year, All Y'all !
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> I have a question: How many of you used a test pilot on
> the first flight?
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> My young bride wants me to give up that once in a lifetime
> event. So does my Doctor. I think he's the one prompting her to
> such thoughts. Any thoughts worth reading?
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> Rick
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