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1. 02:05 AM - Fuel tank sending units for 701 (NYTerminat@aol.com)
2. 03:21 AM - Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 (Randy Stout)
3. 03:29 AM - Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 (Robin Bellach)
4. 03:54 AM - Re: 601 XL Autopilot? (Jean-Paul Roy)
5. 04:29 AM - Re: Fuel Tank & Wing Spar Problems Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:30:36 +0100 (\214rodkowoeuropejs... (BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz)
6. 05:37 AM - Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 (Bob Unternaehrer)
7. 06:03 AM - Re: 601 XL Autopilot? (lynn dingfelder)
8. 06:06 AM - Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 (lynn dingfelder)
9. 06:12 AM - Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 (Bill Bartlett)
10. 06:51 AM - KitPlanes Magazine - Feb 06 Issue (Jim Pellien)
11. 08:55 AM - Re: KitPlanes Magazine - Feb 06 Issue (Paul Mulwitz)
12. 09:38 AM - Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 (NYTerminat@aol.com)
13. 10:48 AM - Take-off roll reality check... (Dave Covert)
14. 11:03 AM - Re: KitPlanes Magazine - Feb 06 Issue (Jim Pellien)
15. 11:12 AM - Re: Take-off roll reality check... (Jon Croke)
16. 12:50 PM - Drill stop (neitzel)
17. 01:17 PM - Rotax 912 Alternator Inciator. (george may)
18. 01:47 PM - Re: Takeoff roll..... (Zed Smith)
19. 01:48 PM - Re: Take-off roll reality check... (Larry McFarland)
20. 01:54 PM - Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 (Zodie Rocket)
21. 02:38 PM - Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 (Bryan Martin)
22. 03:04 PM - Re: Rotax 912 Alternator Inciator. (Thilo Kind)
23. 03:35 PM - Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 (Rick R)
24. 04:13 PM - Re:Take-off roll reality check... (doug kandle)
25. 05:17 PM - Re: Re:Take-off roll reality check... (Ron Crook)
26. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: Takeoff roll..... (Dave (theCoverts))
27. 07:02 PM - Re: Rotax 912 Alternator Inciator. (Mike Fothergill)
28. 07:44 PM - Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 (Bill Bartlett)
29. 07:49 PM - Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 (Bill Bartlett)
30. 08:08 PM - Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 (Bill Bartlett)
31. 08:24 PM - Re: Re:Take-off roll reality check... (Mike Sinclair)
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| Subject: | Fuel tank sending units for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
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Does anyone know where to get a replacement fuel tank sending unit for a 701?
I can't wait for Zenith, if possible a source at auto parts store. I seem to
remember someone saying they are from VW tanks. The VDO part Number is 221-012.
I have a DAR inspection Weds and need to resolve before then.
Thanks
Bob Spudis
N701ZX
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Bob
I would be suprised if you could find one at your local AutoZone. I would suggest,
calling VW parts stores, Marine Supply stores, and performance shops.
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
>List
>
>Does anyone know where to get a replacement fuel tank sending unit for a 701?
>
>I can't wait for Zenith, if possible a source at auto parts store. I seem to
>remember someone saying they are from VW tanks. The VDO part Number is 221-012.
>
>I have a DAR inspection Weds and need to resolve before then.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Bob Spudis
>
>N701ZX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Bob,
The four units I received from ZAC for my 601XL, although they look the
same, came in different labeled boxes. Three boxes have "221 012D FUEL
SENDER VW BEETLE V1551001209D" and one box has "V1551001209 FUEL LEVEL
SENDER VW 1-551-001-209D." My understanding is that they are made for VW
Rabbit, but perhaps are for other models too.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:03 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel tank sending units for 701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
> Does anyone know where to get a replacement fuel tank sending unit for a
701?
> I can't wait for Zenith, if possible a source at auto parts store. I
seem to
> remember someone saying they are from VW tanks. The VDO part Number is
221-012.
> I have a DAR inspection Weds and need to resolve before then.
> Bob Spudis
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Autopilot? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
Thanks for the link Gary. Very interesting.
Jean-Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Autopilot?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> We have the Navaid Devices ,Inc. Autopilot in our 701,
>
> http://www.navaid-devices.com/
>
> Works great with our hand held GPS and is good to have it in any plane,
Great in Cross Country flights and in turbulence or sudden fog (as a wing
leveler).
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
>
>
> Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain
>
> I have flown in another plane that had an autopilot, and recognize the
usefullness it would provide on long cross-country trips. I am considering
installing one in my 601 XL, and wonder if anyone else has done so. What
sort of trouble they had, and what equipment they installed. I would like to
have both altitude and horizontal control. I now use a Garmin handheld 295
GPS, and wonder if that can be used to drive the autopilot from the current
route being flown. Do any of them allow this?
>
> Don
> 601 XL, tail done, working on wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank & Wing Spar Problems Date: Tue, 3 Jan |
2006 08:30:36 +0100 (\214rodkowoeuropejs...
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:28:39 +0100 (\214rodkowoeuropejs...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz" <info@bianco.pl>
My friend worked on integrated fuel tanks 2 years, so I think he knows
something about.
For me it is interresting as a - lets say, "tech gadget". The less weight
will be additional value.
I will not be the first probably - my friend will build his own HD with
intergrated fuel tanks earlier, so I will get in flight tests data ;)
Tadeusz
-------Original Message-------
From: Jim Hoak
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Tank & Wing Spar Problems Date: Tue, 3 Jan
2006 08:30:36 +0100 (\214rodkowoeuropejs...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Tadeusz,
I don't believe the large effort involved in integral fuel tanks in a wing
not originally designed for it would be worth it. That is unless you've got
experience, can do the design work tec, then go for it. I don't think it
will save much work either.
Jim Hoak
601HD flying 500 hrs
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz" <info@bianco.pl>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel Tank & Wing Spar Problems Date: Tue, 3 Jan
2006 08:30:36 +0100 (\214rodkowoeuropejs...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz"
> <info@bianco.pl>
>
>
> Plumbing seems to be better idea. If You install pumps, they will brake
> down running without fuel - right, or You will have to install switch
> (about
> which You have to remember) and You get extra weight, and have to make
> electrical installation for pumps.
> Much simple much better.
>
> According to fuel tanks - I have a question.
> I decided to build integrated fuel tanks on my HD, but not 100%sure is the
> good idea. What is Your opinion Listers?
>
> Tadeusz Forgacz
> 601HD - started
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Zodie Rocket
> Date: 01/03/06 04:22:12
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel Tank & Wing Spar Problems
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
> Wow, this is a good one. I have a couple of other suggestions. You have
> the spar that was made prior to the advent of the larger 15 gal tanks so
> no provision was made for these. IF you in fact have the 4 12 gal tanks
> then you can do one of two things if you are wary of the 5 way fuel
> selector.
> 1) (which I would not recommend personally) would be to install all 4
> tanks and plumb 2 3/8ths line between the inboard and outboard tanks
> this would gravity feed fuel from the outboard The inboard vent would
> need to be plugged and the two lines be set one low for fuel and one
> high for venting between the tanks.
> 2) install all 4 tanks, use a low pressure pump in each wing to transfer
> fuel from outboard tanks to inboard tanks and only use inboard tanks for
> flight. This allows you to only fill the outboard tanks when you have
> both useful load in which to carry the extra fuel and a need to do so.
> IT does add to the cost with two more pumps and fuel gauges but it is a
> simplicity that isn't going to make your big fan go quite if it doesn't
> work. You will never depend on them, as they are only there for
> convenience.
>
> I personally would not hesitate to change the spar, but I have all the
> tools and being a plans builder I also have intimate knowledge and
> sklill on Zenith spars. For someone who does not have the skill they
> would be a costly place to learn. Also I couldn't hide the holes in my
> nose skin if I switched to the larger tanks. So I have 4 12 gal in my
> wings.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
JC Whitney has 2 different beetle fuel gauges, but they don't have those
part numbers. Difference appears to be the length of the senders. Price is
$29 and $39 Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel tank sending units for 701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
>
> Bob,
> The four units I received from ZAC for my 601XL, although they look the
> same, came in different labeled boxes. Three boxes have "221 012D FUEL
> SENDER VW BEETLE V1551001209D" and one box has "V1551001209 FUEL LEVEL
> SENDER VW 1-551-001-209D." My understanding is that they are made for VW
> Rabbit, but perhaps are for other models too.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:03 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel tank sending units for 701
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
> > Does anyone know where to get a replacement fuel tank sending unit for
a
> 701?
> > I can't wait for Zenith, if possible a source at auto parts store. I
> seem to
> > remember someone saying they are from VW tanks. The VDO part Number is
> 221-012.
> > I have a DAR inspection Weds and need to resolve before then.
> > Bob Spudis
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Autopilot? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
Gary,
NAPA has a complete line of sending units in their catalogs.
You need to know the resistance range your gauge operates on (I think they
list 3 ranges), the tank depth, and the orientation of the float (left or
right) with the widest spaced mounting holes toward you. If you local store
has the overnight delivery setup, you could have it by Tuesday. I doubt it
would be in stock.
Lynn
Corry, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
Randy,
Look at the "autopilot" thread. I messed up and sent a
message miztakendle.
Lynn
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| Subject: | Fuel tank sending units for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Bartlett" <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
Bob,
I have four unused fuel senders furnished with my 601XL, VDO P/N
226-002D. I used capacitive type fuel senders and these are leftovers.
I'll let them go for $5.00 each plus shipping.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Bill Bartlett
San Antonio, TX
bbartlett5@satx.rr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stout
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel tank sending units for 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Bob
I would be suprised if you could find one at your local AutoZone. I
would suggest, calling VW parts stores, Marine Supply stores, and
performance shops.
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
>List
>
>Does anyone know where to get a replacement fuel tank sending unit for
>a 701?
>
>I can't wait for Zenith, if possible a source at auto parts store. I
>seem to
>remember someone saying they are from VW tanks. The VDO part Number is
221-012.
>
>I have a DAR inspection Weds and need to resolve before then.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Bob Spudis
>
>N701ZX
>
>
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| Subject: | KitPlanes Magazine - Feb 06 Issue |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
The FEB 06 issue of Kitplanes has a specification, performance and cost
chart in it depicting 18 Special Light Sport Aircraft. I looked at the
chart expectantly, but was disappointed almost immediately.
Why? The information about my aircraft, the first certificated Zenair 601XL
SLSA (side number N601VA), was mostly incorrect. For example:
SportsPlanes.com 601XL
ITEM KITPLANES ACTUAL FOR N601VA
Range 360 nm 715 miles
Cruise 120 mph 130 mph
Rate of Climb 1100 fpm 900 fpm
Fuel Capacity 17 gallons 30 gallons
Empty Weight 665 lbs 729 lbs
Country of Germany Czech Republic
Manufacture
SLSA Cost $79,000 Not currently offered as an SLSA
ELSA Cost No ELSA $72,000
ELSA Build Time No ELSA 99.9% Factory Built
Find me an XL with an empty weight of 665 lbs, and I'll bet they forgot to
put in the instrument panel.
I'm looking into how this bogus data was obtained by Kitplanes. I recommend
that you ignore the Kitplanes data altogether and use the data I have
compiled from each manufacturer's website. It took me about 15 hours of
time to compile this data and it is current as of a few weeks ago. See this
comparison chart at www.MASPL.com
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
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| Subject: | Re: KitPlanes Magazine - Feb 06 Issue |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Jim,
This whole issue of specsmanship is totally bogus.
One reason the numbers for your plane and the one cited in Kitplanes
is the different engine. They are using 912 while you are using 912S.
I also looked at your standard plane numbers and the similar ones at
sportsplanes.com and found descriptions of what seemed like two
different planes.
I have to wonder what value any of the specs have.
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
At 06:50 AM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
>
>The FEB 06 issue of Kitplanes has a specification, performance and cost
>chart in it depicting 18 Special Light Sport Aircraft. I looked at the
>chart expectantly, but was disappointed almost immediately.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Could you please contact me or give me a number that I can call you. My
phone number is 607-849-4941
thank you very much
Robert Spudis
In a message dated 1/7/2006 9:14:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
bbartlett5@satx.rr.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Bartlett" <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
Bob,
I have four unused fuel senders furnished with my 601XL, VDO P/N
226-002D. I used capacitive type fuel senders and these are leftovers.
I'll let them go for $5.00 each plus shipping.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Bill Bartlett
San Antonio, TX
bbartlett5@satx.rr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stout
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel tank sending units for 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Bob
I would be suprised if you could find one at your local AutoZone. I
would suggest, calling VW parts stores, Marine Supply stores, and
performance shops.
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
>List
>
>Does anyone know where to get a replacement fuel tank sending unit for
>a 701?
>
>I can't wait for Zenith, if possible a source at auto parts store. I
>seem to
>remember someone saying they are from VW tanks. The VDO part Number is
221-012.
>
>I have a DAR inspection Weds and need to resolve before then.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Bob Spudis
>
>N701ZX
>
>
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| Subject: | Take-off roll reality check... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Covert" <dave@thecoverts.com>
I have 5 acres of land and a desire to fly off of it. I own a GA plane now
(Grumman AA5), but the airport is nearly an hour each way and I just don't
fly it near as much as I should. So I am selling it and want to build
something I can use from my own place. That limits me to either a helicopter
(like a Rotorway) or a gyrocopter or a true STOL fixed wing. Since I already
have a fixed wing license (and frankly big spinning blades make me nervous)
I certainly tend toward the STOL.
The CH-701 seems to be the best supported and 'most experienced' home built
STOL in the market and it is currently way way up on my list. Before I start
bending metal tho, I thought I would ask the 'group mind' for a reality
check.
Like I said, I have 5 acres, shaped like a long rectangle (3:8) pointing
about 30 degrees off of the prevailing sea breeze (20 miles inland at 32ft
above sea level), but it is a thicket and about 1/3 of it is now
house/shop/yard. On the remaining 2/3 I have room to bulldoze a 50'x400'
strip with 30' trees at the end or, if I ran it a bit more diagonally into
the wind maybe a 40'x500' strip with the same 30' trees at the end. The
surface would be hard-packed earth with bermuda grass growth. Worst mid-day
take off conditions would be 95F, no wind, 95% rel humidity. (density
altitude approx 2,900'?)
Common take off conditions would be 85F, 10mph breeze, 95% humidity. (d.a.
2,000')
So... given those dimensions, and conditions, would a full gross 75hp CH-701
operate safely out of that strip? How about a full gross 100hp CH-701?
Dave
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| Subject: | KitPlanes Magazine - Feb 06 Issue |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Paul,
At least the ones on my website are real....based upon actual W&B numbers
for N601VA and actual performance of N601VA in the air.
KitPlanes's numbers are way out to lunch for my aircraft. The 912 (80 hp)
engine weighs almost the same as the 912ULS (100 hp) so that cannot account
for a 64 lb difference in empty weight. It may account for the 120 mph and
130 mph cruise differential. Kitplanes says that the climb performance with
a 912 80 hp exceeds the climb performance of my aircraft with a 100 hp
engine by 200 feet per minute?????
For other distributors and manufacturers on this forum: Do your aircraft
have these major discrepancies, or is mine the only one that is so far off?
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: KitPlanes Magazine - Feb 06 Issue
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Jim,
This whole issue of specsmanship is totally bogus.
One reason the numbers for your plane and the one cited in Kitplanes
is the different engine. They are using 912 while you are using 912S.
I also looked at your standard plane numbers and the similar ones at
sportsplanes.com and found descriptions of what seemed like two
different planes.
I have to wonder what value any of the specs have.
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
At 06:50 AM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
>
>The FEB 06 issue of Kitplanes has a specification, performance and cost
>chart in it depicting 18 Special Light Sport Aircraft. I looked at the
>chart expectantly, but was disappointed almost immediately.
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| Subject: | Re: Take-off roll reality check... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Hi Dave,
I have a grass strip on my property... it is about 1000' feet with 20'
obstacles at both ends. I would NOT want anything significantly shorter
than this... as the safety of margin and your brain want to see more length
than the 701 actually needs.. I have flown serveral ultalight models off
this strip also with STOL capability... there are days when you wished you
had 2000'... so my point is that for ME: 1000' is the minimum for all round
safety, enjoyment and margin of errors...
just one opinion and worth every cent you paid for it!
Jon
701 rebuild at 94.8%
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Covert" <dave@thecoverts.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Take-off roll reality check...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Covert" <dave@thecoverts.com>
>
>
> I have 5 acres of land and a desire to fly off of it. I own a GA plane now
> (Grumman AA5), but the airport is nearly an hour each way and I just don't
> fly it near as much as I should. So I am selling it and want to build
> something I can use from my own place. That limits me to either a
> helicopter
> (like a Rotorway) or a gyrocopter or a true STOL fixed wing. Since I
> already
> have a fixed wing license (and frankly big spinning blades make me
> nervous)
> I certainly tend toward the STOL.
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "neitzel" <n963wb@frontiernet.net>
Greetings
I have tried various types of drill stops but today stumbled onto the perfect stop.
I had been drilling with a small piece of rubber tubing pushed up next to
the chuck. I thought what would be simpler if there was a disc of some sort
that would drop down on my fingers. I had some small 1 1/4" discs that I had
cut out of thin plastic. I slipped the clear disc on the drill bit and pushed
another small piece of rubber tubing to keep it in place. You can hold the
material down with the flat of your hand and drill between two fingers. When
you break through the plastic disc drops harmlessly and painlessly on to your
fingers. I am in the process of skinning my left wing and this system works great
on large expanses of metal requiring numerous holes. The disc can be of
any material, I used lexan as it was already made. Just make sure it has smooth
edges so as not to harm you fingers.
Just had to pass this on.
Happy drilling
Dick Neitzel
Sayner, WI
701 Jabiru 2200
N962WB reserved
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 Alternator Inciator. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
A question for those flying behind the Rotax 912. The documentation
suggests
the use of a 3 watt 12 volt indicator lamp to be tied across the L & C
terminals
of the regulator to indicate whether or not the charging circuit is working.
1) Can an LED be substituted for the suggested lamp? And if yes,
what terminal does the
plus lead of the LED get tie to.
Thanks
George May
601XL 912S
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | re: Takeoff roll..... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
do not archive
It ain't the takeoff, its getting back down that is of prime concern.
Until I re-located 18 months ago I was using a 900 ft grass strip with a 30-degree
bend in the middle.
That was a "tight pucker" situation that only a few would attempt.
Those who made it were always anxious to visit the restroom.
500 feet seems a tad short unless you are Carrier Qualified.
Zed/701/R912/90+% etc
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| Subject: | Re: Take-off roll reality check... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Dave,
The 701 is a great machine, will easily takeoff and land in 2000 feet.
If you have the funds to
build and fly a Rotorway, you might seriously consider the 801. It is
just more capacity with
nearly the same performance.
Larry McFarland
do not archive
Dave Covert wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Covert" <dave@thecoverts.com>
>
>
>I have 5 acres of land and a desire to fly off of it. I own a GA plane now
>(Grumman AA5), but the airport is nearly an hour each way and I just don't
>fly it near as much as I should. So I am selling it and want to build
>something I can use from my own place. That limits me to either a helicopter
>(like a Rotorway) or a gyrocopter or a true STOL fixed wing. Since I already
>have a fixed wing license (and frankly big spinning blades make me nervous)
>I certainly tend toward the STOL.
>
>The CH-701 seems to be the best supported and 'most experienced' home built
>STOL in the market and it is currently way way up on my list. Before I start
>bending metal tho, I thought I would ask the 'group mind' for a reality
>check.
>
>Like I said, I have 5 acres, shaped like a long rectangle (3:8) pointing
>about 30 degrees off of the prevailing sea breeze (20 miles inland at 32ft
>above sea level), but it is a thicket and about 1/3 of it is now
>house/shop/yard. On the remaining 2/3 I have room to bulldoze a 50'x400'
>strip with 30' trees at the end or, if I ran it a bit more diagonally into
>the wind maybe a 40'x500' strip with the same 30' trees at the end. The
>surface would be hard-packed earth with bermuda grass growth. Worst mid-day
>take off conditions would be 95F, no wind, 95% rel humidity. (density
>altitude approx 2,900'?)
>Common take off conditions would be 85F, 10mph breeze, 95% humidity. (d.a.
>2,000')
>
>So... given those dimensions, and conditions, would a full gross 75hp CH-701
>operate safely out of that strip? How about a full gross 100hp CH-701?
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel tank sending units for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Bill what senders did you use exactly, is there a web page for them?
Also what size did you order and what size tanks do you have.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank sending units for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Maybe one of these:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1B621E6C
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L5D612E6C
http://www.greatplainsas.com/pg30.html
http://makeashorterlink.com/?E12731E6C
You may be able to get over night shipping at one of them.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
>> List
>>
>> Does anyone know where to get a replacement fuel tank sending unit for a 701?
>>
>> I can't wait for Zenith, if possible a source at auto parts store. I seem to
>> remember someone saying they are from VW tanks. The VDO part Number is
>> 221-012.
>>
>> I have a DAR inspection Weds and need to resolve before then.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bob Spudis
>>
>> N701ZX
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Alternator Inciator. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi George,
yes, you can use the LED, if a proper resistor is used. I believe, the plus
goes to L, but you might want to check with a voltage meter.
Best regards
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Rotax 912 Alternator Inciator.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
>
> A question for those flying behind the Rotax 912. The
documentation
> suggests
> the use of a 3 watt 12 volt indicator lamp to be tied across the L & C
> terminals
> of the regulator to indicate whether or not the charging circuit is
working.
> 1) Can an LED be substituted for the suggested lamp? And if yes,
> what terminal does the
> plus lead of the LED get tie to.
>
> Thanks
> George May
> 601XL 912S
>
> http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel tank sending units for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R <rick@n701rr.com>
E-Gauges have em....
http://www.egauges.com/vdo_send.asp?Sender=10_180ohms
mine anyway....
Rick
Orlando, FL. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Re:Take-off roll reality check... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
You guys have me worried now.
I bought my 701 kit so I could get into places I won't take my Cessna
206 into. I will land that plane on 800' level strips where a go
around is possible and 800' uphill with no path for a go around. (I
like 1500' if it is no go around, one-way strip and doesn't have a
good uphill grade).
I was planning on using my 701 for strips (or roads) that are too
short or narrow for my Cessna. But you guys are saying that there is
a good chance I won't feel any safer on these types of strips in the
701 than my plane that I now use which 3 times larger and takes at
least twice the runway to take off on as the 701.
I am (was?) planning on using this plane where I would only have 500'
or less (I like to have twice the required space for a
landing/takeoff. From the specs I took this to be about 300 to 400
feet for the 701 which, unlike many planes, seems to use more runway
for landing than takeoff.
At 02:47 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Dave,
The 701 is a great machine, will easily takeoff and land in 2000 feet.
do not archive
Doug Kandle
CH701
Boise ID
Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done Working on 2nd Wing
Jabiru 2200
From complete kit
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| Subject: | Re:Take-off roll reality check... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Crook" <ronflys701@hotmail.com>
Remember most of these guys have little experience flying the 701.....most
are still building!!!!I can land and take off in 500 even though more is
always better.
>From: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Take-off roll reality check...
>Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:11:07 -0700
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
>
>You guys have me worried now.
>
>I bought my 701 kit so I could get into places I won't take my Cessna
>206 into. I will land that plane on 800' level strips where a go
>around is possible and 800' uphill with no path for a go around. (I
>like 1500' if it is no go around, one-way strip and doesn't have a
>good uphill grade).
>I was planning on using my 701 for strips (or roads) that are too
>short or narrow for my Cessna. But you guys are saying that there is
>a good chance I won't feel any safer on these types of strips in the
>701 than my plane that I now use which 3 times larger and takes at
>least twice the runway to take off on as the 701.
>
>I am (was?) planning on using this plane where I would only have 500'
>or less (I like to have twice the required space for a
>landing/takeoff. From the specs I took this to be about 300 to 400
>feet for the 701 which, unlike many planes, seems to use more runway
>for landing than takeoff.
>
>
>At 02:47 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>Dave,
>The 701 is a great machine, will easily takeoff and land in 2000 feet.
>
>do not archive
>
>Doug Kandle
>CH701
>Boise ID
>Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done Working on 2nd Wing
>Jabiru 2200
> From complete kit
>
>
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| Subject: | re: Takeoff roll..... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave (theCoverts)" <dave@thecoverts.com>
Funny you should mention 'carrier qualified'... I was actually thinking
about putting down arresting cables and installing a 'panic button'
tailhook.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Zed Smith
Subject: Zenith-List: re: Takeoff roll.....
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
do not archive
It ain't the takeoff, its getting back down that is of prime concern.
Until I re-located 18 months ago I was using a 900 ft grass strip with a
30-degree bend in the middle.
That was a "tight pucker" situation that only a few would attempt.
Those who made it were always anxious to visit the restroom.
500 feet seems a tad short unless you are Carrier Qualified.
Zed/701/R912/90+% etc
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Alternator Inciator. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi:
My opinon. Forget the lamp. Install an ammeter and a voltmeter. Then you
will have a clue as to what is happening.
Mike
george may wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
>
> A question for those flying behind the Rotax 912. The documentation
> suggests
> the use of a 3 watt 12 volt indicator lamp to be tied across the L & C
> terminals
> of the regulator to indicate whether or not the charging circuit is working.
> 1) Can an LED be substituted for the suggested lamp? And if yes,
> what terminal does the
> plus lead of the LED get tie to.
>
> Thanks
> George May
> 601XL 912S
>
> http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel tank sending units for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Bartlett" <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
Mark, I have the four fuel tanks (2 main + 2 aux). I used 4 Westach P/N
395-5SB fuel senders with a Westach 3AQ9-3V quad fuel gauges, purchased
from Aircraft Spruce.
I didn't like the float senders mounted in the ends of the fuel tanks.
So, I had a local aircraft welder modify my four tanks with a 1" deep
well in the inboard top of each tank for the fuel sender. This "well"
allows a flush fit with the top of the fuel tanks and should they
develop a small "splashing" leak later it would not present a major
problem. Any small amount of fuel that escaped would soon evaporate.
Welding modification cost for four tanks was $200.00.
See attached pix for fuel tank modifications.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zodie
Rocket
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel tank sending units for 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Bill what senders did you use exactly, is there a web page for them?
Also what size did you order and what size tanks do you have.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
--
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| Subject: | Fuel tank sending units for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Bartlett" <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
Robert,
I'll try calling you Sunday morning 1/8/06. I will be on my weekly
motorcycle ride Sunday from 9:30 AM til 3:00 PM CT
My contact numbers are:
Bill Bartlett
210 494-7194 (Home)
210 865-4591 (Mobile)
Zenith Zodiac 601 XL: Tri-Gear; Jabiru 3300A; Sensench 51x64; Dual
Sticks; Wing Lockers; Aux. Fuel Tanks; All Electric: Blue Mountain Lite
(PFD); Audio Panel; Garmin SL-30 and Icom A200 Radios; Reddish Stall
Warnimg System.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
NYTerminat@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel tank sending units for 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Could you please contact me or give me a number that I can call you. My
phone number is 607-849-4941
thank you very much
Robert Spudis
In a message dated 1/7/2006 9:14:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
bbartlett5@satx.rr.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Bartlett"
--> <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
Bob,
I have four unused fuel senders furnished with my 601XL, VDO P/N
226-002D. I used capacitive type fuel senders and these are leftovers.
I'll let them go for $5.00 each plus shipping.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Bill Bartlett
San Antonio, TX
bbartlett5@satx.rr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stout
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel tank sending units for 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Bob
I would be suprised if you could find one at your local AutoZone. I
would suggest, calling VW parts stores, Marine Supply stores, and
performance shops.
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
>List
>
>Does anyone know where to get a replacement fuel tank sending unit for
>a 701?
>
>I can't wait for Zenith, if possible a source at auto parts store. I
>seem to
>remember someone saying they are from VW tanks. The VDO part Number is
221-012.
>
>I have a DAR inspection Weds and need to resolve before then.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Bob Spudis
>
>N701ZX
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel tank sending units for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Bartlett" <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
I'm sorry Mark. My four fuel tanks are 12 US gallons each, total
capacity 48 US gallons +or-. I used the Aircraft Spruce catalogue for
ordering, not the Westach WEB site.
I used 4 Westach P/N 395-5SB fuel senders with a Westach 3AQ9-3V quad
fuel gauges.
Bill Bartlett
210 865-4591 (M)
210 494-7194 (H)
Zenith Zodiac 601 XL: Tri-Gear; Jabiru 3300A; Sensench 51x64; Dual
Sticks; Wing Lockers; Aux. Fuel Tanks; All Electric: Blue Mountain Lite
(PFD); Audio Panel; Garmin SL-30 and Icom A200 Radios; Reddish Stall
Warnimg System.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Bartlett
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel tank sending units for 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Bartlett"
--> <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
Mark, I have the four fuel tanks (2 main + 2 aux). I used 4 Westach P/N
395-5SB fuel senders with a Westach 3AQ9-3V quad fuel gauges, purchased
from Aircraft Spruce.
I didn't like the float senders mounted in the ends of the fuel tanks.
So, I had a local aircraft welder modify my four tanks with a 1" deep
well in the inboard top of each tank for the fuel sender. This "well"
allows a flush fit with the top of the fuel tanks and should they
develop a small "splashing" leak later it would not present a major
problem. Any small amount of fuel that escaped would soon evaporate.
Welding modification cost for four tanks was $200.00.
See attached pix for fuel tank modifications.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zodie
Rocket
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel tank sending units for 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Bill what senders did you use exactly, is there a web page for them?
Also what size did you order and what size tanks do you have.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
--
1/6/2006
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| Subject: | Re:Take-off roll reality check... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Doug
I can pretty much guarantee you can get the 701 into and out of places you
won't get the 206. With just an 80 hp engine, about a 10 degree uphill slope,
and 15 degrees of flaps, I'm still off in under 200 feet. Full flaps, a 15
kt. headwind, and I was off the ground in about 30-50 feet. The shortest
strip I have landed on so far, a friend of mine has a strip about 700 feet
long and landing from the north you have to clear some 30 foot oil field
power lines that are about 70 yards north of the barbed wire fence at the end
of the strip. Still can get it on the ground and stopped by about the halfway
point. Looking forward to the takeoff (and climb) performance of the new 912S
I'm installing. Landing performance should be pretty much the same as there
is very little weight difference between the two engines. Still haven't
explored the full range of landing performance with various degrees of flaps,
but suspect it will most definitely be impressive.
Mike Sinclair N701TD
doug kandle wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
>
> You guys have me worried now.
>
> I bought my 701 kit so I could get into places I won't take my Cessna
> 206 into. I will land that plane on 800' level strips where a go
> around is possible and 800' uphill with no path for a go around. (I
> like 1500' if it is no go around, one-way strip and doesn't have a
> good uphill grade).
> I was planning on using my 701 for strips (or roads) that are too
> short or narrow for my Cessna. But you guys are saying that there is
> a good chance I won't feel any safer on these types of strips in the
> 701 than my plane that I now use which 3 times larger and takes at
> least twice the runway to take off on as the 701.
>
> I am (was?) planning on using this plane where I would only have 500'
> or less (I like to have twice the required space for a
> landing/takeoff. From the specs I took this to be about 300 to 400
> feet for the 701 which, unlike many planes, seems to use more runway
> for landing than takeoff.
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