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1. 02:07 AM - Re: Official Usage Guidelines (Larry Portouw)
2. 06:57 AM - Re: Looking for a DAR in MN, ND, SD (Brad Larson)
3. 07:01 AM - scenery flying/ greenhouse effect -THANKS! (Doug Naylor)
4. 07:15 AM - Re: 601xl canopy lock (Larry McFarland)
5. 08:38 AM - Re: Good news (Geoff Heap)
6. 08:55 AM - Re: 601xl canopy lock (David X)
7. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: Official Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
8. 11:33 AM - Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (MillrML@aol.com)
9. 11:48 AM - Re: 601xl canopy lock (Brian Briggerman)
10. 12:14 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (Paul Mulwitz)
11. 12:28 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (Craig Payne)
12. 12:32 PM - Re: 800 pound crate (Zed Smith)
13. 12:46 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (Paul Moore)
14. 12:55 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (Doug Sire)
15. 01:10 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (JOHN STARN)
16. 01:52 PM - Re: 601xl canopy lock (japhillipsga@aol.com)
17. 02:02 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (Phil Maxson)
18. 02:18 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (Bryan Martin)
19. 02:43 PM - Breakout ()
20. 03:09 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (CH701)
21. 03:15 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (William J. Naumuk)
22. 03:16 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (Jean-Paul Roy)
23. 03:51 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper. (Gary Gower)
24. 04:18 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (Jack Russell)
25. 04:53 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
26. 05:38 PM - Re: Breakout (Bryan Martin)
27. 05:53 PM - Re: Breakout (Craig Payne)
28. 07:08 PM - Electrical Connections (Charles Kyle)
29. 07:54 PM - Re: Electrical Connections (Paul Mulwitz)
30. 07:59 PM - Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper (Bob Unternaehrer)
31. 09:44 PM - Re: Electrical Connections (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject: | Re: Official Usage Guidelines |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" <Larry@portouw.com>
...Matt, does the "do not archive" label work the same way in the BB, and if used
in the BB, will keep a post from being archived when it is tranfered to the
list?
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Larry Portouw
601-XL Kit
Atlanta, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a DAR in MN, ND, SD |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brad Larson <blarson@meridianhouse.com>
You go to the Fargo, ND FSDO web page and there you have listed the DAR
that I have been waiting on!
I work in Fargo, live 30 minutes from Fargo and the plane is 45 minutes
from Fargo.
I've been told that that Fargo FSDO covers ND and half of MT and much
of SD.
MikeH wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: MikeH <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
>
> FWIW depends on how close you are to a FSDO office. A friend of mine
>had his plane inspected within 1 week of the phone call (from the FAA).
>Of course we only live 8 min from the FSDO office!
>mike
>
>
>
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| Subject: | scenery flying/ greenhouse effect -THANKS! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Naylor" <dugnaylor@hotmail.com>
A big Thank You to all who contributed to my low and slow / cockpit heat
post. You've given me a lot to think about as I narrow down the decision
of what plane I'd like to build/fly in the future. Great keeping cool
tips-- computer fan exhaust, canopy sun shades, wearing baseball caps, and
who would have thunk-- sun screen! Thanks a lot for the air vent pictures
Larry. Talk to you guys later.
Doug N.
>#1 Really, how good is the Zodiac XL at relatively low and slow,
>looking-at-the-ground-scenery type flying?
>
>#2 How hot can it get under that big bubble canopy in the summertime? Can
>the little fresh air vents keep up with the sun rays?
>
>Much Thanks,
>
>Doug N.
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl canopy lock |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Bill,
The canopy cover is from Bruce's Custom Covers, 989 E California Avenue,
Sunnyvale, CA 94085.
The Tech Sheet describes it as ZENITH MODEL 601 Seen at
www.bruce@aircraftcovers.com
Price was $350, but worth it. It comes with your N-number on each side
so that it too doesn't get legs.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/canopycover1.gif
It is a nice fit and comes with a tote bag for stowage.
Larry McFarland
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
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>Larry, that is a really good idea. Do recall where you bought it and which
>model fit the XL. Right now I use an old Bart Simpson bed sheet of my son's from
>15 years ago to cover the canopy to avoid dust and bird crap. Thanks, Bill
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Welcome to the Madhouse Jean-Paul
For REF My plan serial # is 1903. Obviously I took a few years off. I'm working
on my cabin now. I switched to kit components after finishing the wings and slats.
Death will come all to soon. I want less time building and more time flying.
Good luck....... Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl canopy lock |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David X" <dxj@comcast.net>
I can definately recommend Bruce's Covers. They do excellent work and the cover
fits snug, like it should.
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| Subject: | Re: Official Usage Guidelines |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 02:03 AM 1/12/2006 Thursday, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" <Larry@portouw.com>
>
>...Matt, does the "do not archive" label work the same way in the BB, and if used
in the BB, will keep a post from being archived when it is tranfered to the
list?
>
>--------
>Larry Portouw
>601-XL Kit
>Atlanta, GA
The "do not archive" label works the same way from the BBS that it does in a typical
email post to the Lists in that the message will not be appended to the
historical archive if the string is found anywhere in the message body or headers.
The message *will* be posted to the BBS, however, as expected.
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin
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| Subject: | Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MillrML@aol.com
Mike Miller/601XL-3300/Waiting for Kit #6195 (Feb. delivery)
Rudder is built, sitting on hands-waiting.
Have searched old messages for info on how people get this 800# box off the
shipper's truck and into their shop. All 8 reply's are from 2002, so thought
I'd ask again for any new feedback on this subject. Shipper's terminal's
are 2 hours from me North or South, so I'm planning on them bringing the kit to
house. They can back their truck up to my shop, but how do I get box off
truck?
Having a truck with power lift adds another $95 to shipping cost. Fork lift
runs about $150 for half day (delivery, rent, gas). Don't have 10
neighbors, (with good backs), within reasonable distance.
Right now the best idea seems to be some type of ramp, strong enough to
carry the weight, down to a couple of furniture dollies...then roll the box in.
I know most of you have dealt with this issue already...please let me know
your thoughts.
Thanks, Mike
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl canopy lock |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" <blb7037@cox.net>
Zenith has a locking door handle option. It looks like a garage door handle but
it looks like it will do the job. I purchased one but don't have it installed
yet. The cost was 38.49 including shipping. There are several parts to it but
the main number is 1226A62. It is shown in the latest Photo assembly Guides for
the canopy.
Brian Briggerman
601XL builder
Fountain Hills, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Mike,
'fraid a lift gate won't help - the crate is too big.
Some folks consider just shoving the box off the truck, but some
others think this is extreme. I went to the freight terminal with a
U-haul and then pulled the crate off the U-haul with my little
tractor (Kubota - small but a lot of heart and a three cylinder diesel engine).
I like your idea of a ramp of some sort, but that doesn't solve all
the issues. You still need to figure how to move the 800 pound box
to the ramp and then from the ramp to your storage location.
I wonder if there are some equipment movers in your area. They are
experts on this sort of thing.
Good luck,
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
>Have searched old messages for info on how people get this 800# box off the
>shipper's truck and into their shop. All 8 reply's are from
>2002, so thought
>I'd ask again for any new feedback on this subject. Shipper's terminal's
>are 2 hours from me North or South, so I'm planning on
>them bringing the kit to
>house. They can back their truck up to my shop, but how do I get box off
>truck?
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
If you can get it off the truck then you can open the crate and while
inventorying it carry it in piece by piece. By the way, if you use a ramp
don't use dollies. I think you will need the friction to slow the crate
down.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
--> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Mike,
'fraid a lift gate won't help - the crate is too big.
Some folks consider just shoving the box off the truck, but some
others think this is extreme. I went to the freight terminal with a
U-haul and then pulled the crate off the U-haul with my little tractor
(Kubota - small but a lot of heart and a three cylinder diesel engine).
I like your idea of a ramp of some sort, but that doesn't solve all the
issues. You still need to figure how to move the 800 pound box to the ramp
and then from the ramp to your storage location.
I wonder if there are some equipment movers in your area. They are experts
on this sort of thing.
Good luck,
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
>Have searched old messages for info on how people get this 800# box
>off the shipper's truck and into their shop. All 8 reply's are from
>2002, so thought I'd ask again for any new feedback on this subject.
>Shipper's terminal's are 2 hours from me North or South, so I'm
>planning on them bringing the kit to house. They can back their truck
>up to my shop, but how do I get box off truck?
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: 800 pound crate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Some have used a flatbed trailer behind a pickup truck and picked up the crate
at the frieght terminal.
The trailer is only 18 inches or so above ground, and by cranking up the trailer's
jackstand the rear will tilt down to a foot from the ground. Makes a ramp
easier to scrounge.
Only problem is if freight company can put box on trailer. Most utility trailers
have side rails that a forklift can't negotiate.......they can load from the
rear, if they will.
Two creepers used to service automobiles will roll the crate, especially after
you remove the top and some of the stuff from inside once you arrive at home.
Others will have much better suggestions.
regards,
Zed/701/R912/etc
do not archive
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| Subject: | Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
I own a car trailer (which is plenty big - crate was 4' wide, 2' high, and
12' long and is also low to the ground) so I had the shipper load it onto
the trailer with their fork lift at their dock - covered by the initial
shipping cost. I simply unloaded it piece by piece as I inventoried it at my
shop and didn't have to deal with the intact crate, but figured I could have
done that easily by using the trailer ramps, a few pieces of 2x4's and a
come-along. Unload crate and repack at final destination is also an option
if keeping it stored in the crate is important.
Paul
XL - O200
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
My kit should arrive late next month. I was planning on renting a U-Haul
and picking it up from the freight terminal. I'm assuming they will be
able to load it onto the U-Haul for me. Then I'll just back up to my
garage and or storage unit, uncrate it in the U-Haul, and then remove and
store it piece by piece.
Doug Sire
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Just .02 cents worth. back a pick up to within a coupla feet of the lift
gate. Push the box onto the lift gate & into the bed of the pickup. Adjust
as needed to have one end of the crate on the lift gate out of the truck) &
the other in the pickup bed. Lower the gate, put crate onto the piano mover
dollies (available at rental yards). Pull the truck away. 4 guys with pipes
or wood supports lift up the pickup end, drive the pickup out & lower onto a
second dolly. 800#, one end 400#, 4 guys 100# each. OR supply pizza & cokes
for the local football team (see the coach, call the press, good PR for the
school). Once its on the dollies you can push it anywhere. Make it a
celebration & have local EAA Young Eagles Rep. on site. This is a great
opportunity not a chore. Spread the joy, ....not a EAA member....you should
be, find your local chapter. KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> 'fraid a lift gate won't help - the crate is too big.
>
> Some folks consider just shoving the box off the truck, but some
> others think this is extreme. I went to the freight terminal with a
> U-haul and then pulled the crate off the U-haul with my little
> tractor (Kubota - small but a lot of heart and a three cylinder diesel
> engine).
>
> I like your idea of a ramp of some sort, but that doesn't solve all
> the issues. You still need to figure how to move the 800 pound box
> to the ramp and then from the ramp to your storage location.
>
> I wonder if there are some equipment movers in your area. They are
> experts on this sort of thing.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Paul
> XL wings
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl canopy lock |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com
Thanks Brian, I will look it up. Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Briggerman <blb7037@cox.net>
Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:45:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601xl canopy lock
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" <blb7037@cox.net>
Zenith has a locking door handle option. It looks like a garage door handle but
it looks like it will do the job. I purchased one but don't have it installed
yet. The cost was 38.49 including shipping. There are several parts to it but
the main number is 1226A62. It is shown in the latest Photo assembly Guides for
the canopy.
Brian Briggerman
601XL builder
Fountain Hills, AZ
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| Subject: | Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
I had them deliver to the Roadway terminal and picked up the crates in my
pickup truck. then it was only about 2 feet off the floor.
Then again, I did component kits instead of the whole big thing in one
crate.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
>From: MillrML@aol.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper
>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:31:53 EST
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: MillrML@aol.com
>
>Mike Miller/601XL-3300/Waiting for Kit #6195 (Feb. delivery)
>Rudder is built, sitting on hands-waiting.
>
>Have searched old messages for info on how people get this 800# box off
>the
>shipper's truck and into their shop. All 8 reply's are from 2002, so
>thought
>I'd ask again for any new feedback on this subject. Shipper's terminal's
>are 2 hours from me North or South, so I'm planning on them bringing the
>kit to
>house. They can back their truck up to my shop, but how do I get box off
>truck?
<<SNIP>>
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| Subject: | Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
You could just drag the crate out the back of the truck until it balances on
the edge then lower the end down to the ground. Then drag it back until most
of it is off the truck. Put a couple bales of straw (or something similar)
under the raised end and drive the truck out from under it. The straw bales
will cushion the drop.
I bought the wings first and the fuselage later, so I had two smaller crates
to deal with. Two people could ease one of those crates off the truck
without too much trouble.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 1/12/06 2:31 PM, MillrML@aol.com at MillrML@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: MillrML@aol.com
>
> Mike Miller/601XL-3300/Waiting for Kit #6195 (Feb. delivery)
> Rudder is built, sitting on hands-waiting.
>
> Have searched old messages for info on how people get this 800# box off the
> shipper's truck and into their shop. All 8 reply's are from 2002, so thought
> I'd ask again for any new feedback on this subject. Shipper's terminal's
> are 2 hours from me North or South, so I'm planning on them bringing the kit
> to
> house. They can back their truck up to my shop, but how do I get box off
> truck?
>
> Having a truck with power lift adds another $95 to shipping cost. Fork lift
> runs about $150 for half day (delivery, rent, gas). Don't have 10
> neighbors, (with good backs), within reasonable distance.
>
> Right now the best idea seems to be some type of ramp, strong enough to
> carry the weight, down to a couple of furniture dollies...then roll the box
> in.
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <xanthx@netscape.com>
Greetings Z Friends
I'm new to the list and have glommed lots of good info already. I'm picking my
601XL q-build at the factory 3/24; have finished rudder. Has anyone consider or
designed an escapesystem forthe 601XL in theunlikely event thatthe aircraftwere
toturn over with thepilot/passengerinside. I've seen the beautiful gull-wing
mods on the Zenith picture gallery but my guess is they would be heavy anddifficult
to build. A friend and fellow601HDS owner suggested a break out hammer.
Any thoughts?
Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
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| Subject: | Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "CH701" <701stol@gmail.com>
How about a local tilt back tow truck? They could pull the box gracefully
off of the carriers truck, reposition in front of your shop door, tilt the
deck and slide it onto your shop floor. I have a glass back, and have done
this successfully more than once. Just a thought...
Todd
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
MillrML@aol.com
Sent: January 12, 2006 1:32 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MillrML@aol.com
Mike Miller/601XL-3300/Waiting for Kit #6195 (Feb. delivery)
Rudder is built, sitting on hands-waiting.
Have searched old messages for info on how people get this 800# box off the
shipper's truck and into their shop. All 8 reply's are from 2002, so
thought
I'd ask again for any new feedback on this subject. Shipper's terminal's
are 2 hours from me North or South, so I'm planning on them bringing the
kit to
house. They can back their truck up to my shop, but how do I get box off
truck?
Having a truck with power lift adds another $95 to shipping cost. Fork
lift
runs about $150 for half day (delivery, rent, gas). Don't have 10
neighbors, (with good backs), within reasonable distance.
Right now the best idea seems to be some type of ramp, strong enough to
carry the weight, down to a couple of furniture dollies...then roll the box
in.
I know most of you have dealt with this issue already...please let me know
your thoughts.
Thanks, Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper
Bryan-
I had a truck with a lift gate deliver it to the house. The driver had
one heavy hand cart and I have another (The kind with pneumatic tires) and
we picked up the end closest to the lift and slid a 2" pipe underneath. Then
we went to the cabward end and did the same thing. By using the two hand
carts and changing the angles of the pipes we worked the crate onto the lift
and down to the ground.
My kit was delivered in a snowstorm in February. Amazing what you can do
when you're freezing your ass off and just want to get the garage door down-
only took about a half an hour!!
Bill
PS- You might want to tip the driver.
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
You guys make me jealous. I wished I had this kind of concern about
receiving my big box.lolllll
but there is a start. Just got the confirmation my tail kit has been shipped
out today. Should be getting it sometime next week.
Have fun
Jean-Paul
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> You could just drag the crate out the back of the truck until it balances
on
> the edge then lower the end down to the ground. Then drag it back until
most
> of it is off the truck. Put a couple bales of straw (or something similar)
> under the raised end and drive the truck out from under it. The straw
bales
> will cushion the drop.
>
> I bought the wings first and the fuselage later, so I had two smaller
crates
> to deal with. Two people could ease one of those crates off the truck
> without too much trouble.
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> do not archive.
>
>
> on 1/12/06 2:31 PM, MillrML@aol.com at MillrML@aol.com wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: MillrML@aol.com
> >
> > Mike Miller/601XL-3300/Waiting for Kit #6195 (Feb. delivery)
> > Rudder is built, sitting on hands-waiting.
> >
> > Have searched old messages for info on how people get this 800# box off
the
> > shipper's truck and into their shop. All 8 reply's are from 2002, so
thought
> > I'd ask again for any new feedback on this subject. Shipper's
terminal's
> > are 2 hours from me North or South, so I'm planning on them bringing
the kit
> > to
> > house. They can back their truck up to my shop, but how do I get box
off
> > truck?
> >
> > Having a truck with power lift adds another $95 to shipping cost. Fork
lift
> > runs about $150 for half day (delivery, rent, gas). Don't have 10
> > neighbors, (with good backs), within reasonable distance.
> >
> > Right now the best idea seems to be some type of ramp, strong enough to
> > carry the weight, down to a couple of furniture dollies...then roll the
box
> > in.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I used my factory's forklift... But a local builder had a barbacue party with
free iced Corona Beer in his shop,,, All the members of the Airclub were invited...
Not all were present but at least double the hands need.
One important thing: For Safety first unload the box, then start the party.
Timing this is Very Important! :-) :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
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Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
Hi Mike,
'fraid a lift gate won't help - the crate is too big.
Some folks consider just shoving the box off the truck, but some
others think this is extreme. I went to the freight terminal with a
U-haul and then pulled the crate off the U-haul with my little
tractor (Kubota - small but a lot of heart and a three cylinder diesel engine).
I like your idea of a ramp of some sort, but that doesn't solve all
the issues. You still need to figure how to move the 800 pound box
to the ramp and then from the ramp to your storage location.
I wonder if there are some equipment movers in your area. They are
experts on this sort of thing.
Good luck,
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
>Have searched old messages for info on how people get this 800# box off the
>shipper's truck and into their shop. All 8 reply's are from
>2002, so thought
>I'd ask again for any new feedback on this subject. Shipper's terminal's
>are 2 hours from me North or South, so I'm planning on
>them bringing the kit to
>house. They can back their truck up to my shop, but how do I get box off
>truck?
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Mike: 2 guys in the truck and 2 on the ground. Piece by Piece will take you only
about 15 min to unload and spread out on the floor. Inventory later. As a matter
of fact I never did inventory and as it turned out everything was there.
Still waiting for the FAA. jack in Los osos ca
MillrML@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: MillrML@aol.com
Mike Miller/601XL-3300/Waiting for Kit #6195 (Feb. delivery)
Rudder is built, sitting on hands-waiting.
Have searched old messages for info on how people get this 800# box off the
shipper's truck and into their shop. All 8 reply's are from 2002, so thought
I'd ask again for any new feedback on this subject. Shipper's terminal's
are 2 hours from me North or South, so I'm planning on them bringing the kit to
house. They can back their truck up to my shop, but how do I get box off
truck?
Having a truck with power lift adds another $95 to shipping cost. Fork lift
runs about $150 for half day (delivery, rent, gas). Don't have 10
neighbors, (with good backs), within reasonable distance.
Right now the best idea seems to be some type of ramp, strong enough to
carry the weight, down to a couple of furniture dollies...then roll the box in.
I know most of you have dealt with this issue already...please let me know
your thoughts.
Thanks, Mike
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello Doug:
Before you commit to this plan, call the local terminal and make absolutely
sure the terminal has ground level or a "low dock" (18" - 24" as opposed to
standard truck dock of 48") available. If you have to take delivery from a
standard dock there's a BIG DROP down to your typical U-Haul truck deck or
pickup truck.
Remember, this crate is VERY long and many terminals do NOT have fork
extensions to pick the crate from the short end. That means some creative loading
techniques !! Loading dock personnel are very helpful but they care little
as to what is inside that crate, be it lead or eggs.
I took delivery of my wing kit (4' x 4' x 12' crate) at my work. I backed
my pickup truck to the standard-height dock......but it had an adjustable
dockboard which brought it to within 6 inches of my tailgate height.....and just
slid it in. Since the pickup only has a 6 foot bed, I bought a load extender
from Harbor Feright and it worked perfectly. When I got home I put a pair
of 2 x 6 planks on the tailgate, removed the load extender, and gently pulled
the crate toward the planks. I slipped 2 movers dollies under the crate once
it got on the ground and all was well.
I admit, I've moved machinery before and find this really easy - I moved a
South Bend lathe into my garage using the same techniques - by myself - and
all went well.
Go slow, and remember, gravity always wins !!
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl N458XL (reserved)
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In a message dated 1/12/2006 3:57:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsire@imt.net
writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
My kit should arrive late next month. I was planning on renting a U-Haul
and picking it up from the freight terminal. I'm assuming they will be
able to load it onto the U-Haul for me. Then I'll just back up to my
garage and or storage unit, uncrate it in the U-Haul, and then remove and
store it piece by piece.
Doug Sire
601XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I carry a small hatchet in my Zodiac, just in case.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 1/12/06 5:43 PM, xanthx@netscape.com at xanthx@netscape.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <xanthx@netscape.com>
>
>
> I'm new to the list and have glommed lots of good info already. I'm picking my
> 601XL q-build at the factory 3/24; have finished rudder. Has anyone consider
> or designed an escapesystem forthe 601XL in theunlikely event thatthe
> aircraftwere toturn over with thepilot/passengerinside. I've seen the
> beautiful gull-wing mods on the Zenith picture gallery but my guess is they
> would be heavy anddifficult to build. A friend and fellow601HDS owner
> suggested a break out hammer. Any thoughts?
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
William Wynne engraved a rectangle in the canopy near where the latch is.
But that I believe was so a rescuer could break in and open the canopy from
the outside.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Martin
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Breakout
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin
--> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I carry a small hatchet in my Zodiac, just in case.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 1/12/06 5:43 PM, xanthx@netscape.com at xanthx@netscape.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <xanthx@netscape.com>
>
>
> I'm new to the list and have glommed lots of good info already. I'm
picking my
> 601XL q-build at the factory 3/24; have finished rudder. Has anyone
consider
> or designed an escapesystem forthe 601XL in theunlikely event thatthe
> aircraftwere toturn over with thepilot/passengerinside. I've seen the
> beautiful gull-wing mods on the Zenith picture gallery but my guess is
they
> would be heavy anddifficult to build. A friend and fellow601HDS owner
> suggested a break out hammer. Any thoughts?
>
>
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| Subject: | Electrical Connections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Kyle" <Phoenix3@cox.net>
Hi,
I am ready to connect the five wires of my Ray Allen trim servo to the
five wire cable which is routed to the control/trim indicator on the 701
panel. Aircraft Spruce says that the conductor material is 26 gauge
silver plated wire. I was planning to solder with lead free solder and
then insulate with electrical tape. Is this sufficient? If not, what
is a better way to go? Thanks.
Chuck Kyle
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Connections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I'm not sure about the solder choice, but I would strongly recommend
"Heat Shrink" tubing rather than electrical tape.
You can get a nice assortment of heat shrink tubing from Harbor
Freight for almost nothing. Select a piece of tubing a bit larger in
diameter than your solder joint and a couple of inches long and place
it on the wire before soldering. Pre-tin the wires and form them in
a double U or J shape so the mechanical strength of the joint is a
function of the wire strength and the solder holding it all
together. Before the final solder heating it should look like two
fish hooks pulling on each other. Crimp the hooks with pliers to make
a firm connection and then heat the whole joint while adding
additional solder. I use a 25 watt soldering iron - really cheap
ones are only a few dollars. After it is cooled slide the heat
shrink tubing over the joint and heat it with a heat gun (I use one
designed for stripping paint, but anything that makes a lot of very
hot air will work fine). The tubing will shrink to form a very solid
joint. You will need to rotate the wire/tubing combination a little
to shrink the whole tube.
You may also want to enclose the 5 wires in a larger piece of heat
shrink as well. This will be easier if you cut the wires on one
cable to different lengths so all the joints don't wind up on top of
each other.
Good luck,
Paul
XL wings (Recovering electrical circuit designer)
> I am ready to connect the five wires of my Ray Allen trim servo to the
>five wire cable which is routed to the control/trim indicator on the 701
>panel. Aircraft Spruce says that the conductor material is 26 gauge
>silver plated wire. I was planning to solder with lead free solder and
>then insulate with electrical tape. Is this sufficient? If not, what
>is a better way to go? Thanks.
>
>Chuck Kyle
>
-
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| Subject: | Re: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
If you can get them to deliver it in a Straight Truck, you might find a
ditch and/or bank to back in or up to and then drag it out with something
like a PU or SUV, Then unload pieces to where you can handle it with some
help from neighbors and/or a come-A-long. Bob u.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> If you can get it off the truck then you can open the crate and while
> inventorying it carry it in piece by piece. By the way, if you use a ramp
> don't use dollies. I think you will need the friction to slow the crate
> down.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:14 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unloading Kit/Crate from shipper
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> --> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> 'fraid a lift gate won't help - the crate is too big.
>
> Some folks consider just shoving the box off the truck, but some
> others think this is extreme. I went to the freight terminal with a
> U-haul and then pulled the crate off the U-haul with my little tractor
> (Kubota - small but a lot of heart and a three cylinder diesel engine).
>
> I like your idea of a ramp of some sort, but that doesn't solve all the
> issues. You still need to figure how to move the 800 pound box to the
ramp
> and then from the ramp to your storage location.
>
> I wonder if there are some equipment movers in your area. They are
experts
> on this sort of thing.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Paul
> XL wings
> do not archive
>
>
> >Have searched old messages for info on how people get this 800# box
> >off the shipper's truck and into their shop. All 8 reply's are from
> >2002, so thought I'd ask again for any new feedback on this subject.
> >Shipper's terminal's are 2 hours from me North or South, so I'm
> >planning on them bringing the kit to house. They can back their truck
> >up to my shop, but how do I get box off truck?
> >
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Paul Mulwitz
> 32013 NE Dial Road
> Camas, WA 98607
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Connections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Another idea for the heat gun. Fabricate a deflector, imagine a U shape of about
3" dia and 3" wide of sheetmetal attached to the nozzle of the heat gun. This
will dam the air from the gun so you don't have to rotate the wire while heat
shrinking. See attached picture.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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