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1. 03:51 AM - Re: 701 Nosegear Bungee (Ron Crook)
2. 04:47 AM - Re: Re: Sound proof and finish panels (Tommy Walker)
3. 07:17 AM - 601 HD Main Gear Bungees (Jeff Davidson)
4. 08:01 AM - Re: RE : leaky screws (Carl Bertrand)
5. 10:11 AM - 701 Electric Trim Binding (Charles Kyle)
6. 10:31 AM - Re: 601 HD Main Gear Bungees (Larry McFarland)
7. 10:45 AM - Re: 701 Electric Trim Binding (Jim Hoak)
8. 10:54 AM - Re: 701 Forced Landing (JetPilot)
9. 02:18 PM - Re: 601 HD Main Gear Bungees (Jeff Davidson)
10. 08:11 PM - Rear wing spar question. (Michael Valentine)
11. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: Sound proof and finish panels (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
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| Subject: | 701 Nosegear Bungee |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Crook" <ronflys701@hotmail.com>
They are tough and don t move much but after a few landings they do get
better? I thought the same thing
>From: "Steve McShea" <mcsheas@earthlink.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Nosegear Bungee
>Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:03:35 -0800
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve McShea" <mcsheas@earthlink.net>
>
>I have recently purchased a 701 (completed in 1992) and am in the process
>of
>installing the updated firewall. I ordered all parts from ZAC and spoke
>with Nick/Roger several times throughout the project. Once I completed the
>engine (ROTAX 582) re-install I found that the bungee did not have any give
>AT ALL. This is true even with my additional 200 pounds pulling down on
>the
>mount. After doing an archive search I found several messages from people
>with the same experiences but was not able to find any messages concerning
>successful remedies. I contacted Nick at ZAC and he did not seem familiar
>with or have a good answer to the problem. Has anyone else run into this
>and how have you solved the problem.
>
>Zenith sent the 5/8, 8 inch bungee (ACS# 1080) rated at 750lbs. I
>confirmed
>that it was not the 1080HD rated at 900 lbs. The Spruce catalog does not
>offer an 8 inch bungee with less load rating. I contact SBC Industries
>(the
>spring cord manufacturer that Spruce uses) and they offer lighter weight 8
>inch bungees but have a 5 bungee minimum order. I'm considering going down
>that road but would like to know if there is an easier fix for this.
>
>Steve McShea
>Clovis, CA
>N701JC
>mcsheas@earthlink.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sound proof and finish panels |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
Bill Phillips,
Is that your 601XL in EAA Sport Pilot Mag this month? If so, it is a fine
looking aircraft. Good color selection.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | 601 HD Main Gear Bungees |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Speaking of bungees ....
I'm just installing the bungees for the main gear on my 601 HD. After
spending some time building a device to compress the bungees, I found that
simply shaping the bungees with temporary plastic ties was enough to install
the gear with the bungees and the stop plate at the top of the wing. It
looks like the gear will protrude above the wing about 3 eighths of an inch
without stretching the bungees. Is that the experience others have had?
I installed the AN3 bolts through the bottom bearing with the bolt head on
the outside per normal practice. It appears that the nut end of the bolt
may rub against the bungees. Has anyone put the bolts in backwards with the
nuts on the outside to give the bungees more room?
Jeff Davidson
"Actively building since 1994"
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| Subject: | Re: leaky screws |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Carl Bertrand" <cgbrt@mondenet.com>
Had the same problem with my senders. I put a small dab of sealer on the
treads and voila no more leaks. Do not put sealer on the last few tread at
the end of the screw or it will get in the tank.
701/912/400 hrs
Carl
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| Subject: | 701 Electric Trim Binding |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Kyle" <Phoenix3@cox.net>
Hi,
I have installed the electric trim kit on my 701 elevator. When I move
the tab +30 to -30 degrees from center, the tab/hinge binds at about
center of travel (neutral trim). I can see the skin oilcan slightly at
the binding point and the tab itself curves at one extreme but is flat
at the other extreme.
I do not want the binding because it would load the servo more than is
necessary. Has anyone had any experience with something like this or
have any suggestions?
Thanks
Chuck Kyle
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HD Main Gear Bungees |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Jeff,
If you want to keep the bolt heads outside, (my preference) you might
consider making
an 3/16 inch thick bar with threaded holes and place thin radial lock
washers outside.
Fussy work to be sure, but the bungees would not be affected and once a
bolt was in place,
the rest would be easier to do. Originally, I had to make a special
socket and welded handle
with goop to hold onto the individual nylock nuts. Not fun, but it
worked! See link,
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/TJH/gearAW/full/gear-support-nut-holding-wr.gif
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
Jeff Davidson wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
>
>Speaking of bungees ....
>
>I'm just installing the bungees for the main gear on my 601 HD. After
>spending some time building a device to compress the bungees, I found that
>simply shaping the bungees with temporary plastic ties was enough to install
>the gear with the bungees and the stop plate at the top of the wing. It
>looks like the gear will protrude above the wing about 3 eighths of an inch
>without stretching the bungees. Is that the experience others have had?
>
>I installed the AN3 bolts through the bottom bearing with the bolt head on
>the outside per normal practice. It appears that the nut end of the bolt
>may rub against the bungees. Has anyone put the bolts in backwards with the
>nuts on the outside to give the bungees more room?
>
>Jeff Davidson
>"Actively building since 1994"
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Electric Trim Binding |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Chuck,
It sounds like either the hinge pin is bent or one or both of the hinge
halves is bent or installed in a "curve". You may need to lay a straight
edge along the length of the parts to check for straighness. Also disconnect
the input rod and operate the tab by hand. See what you find.
Jim Hoak 601HD 500 hrs.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Kyle" <Phoenix3@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric Trim Binding
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Kyle" <Phoenix3@cox.net>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have installed the electric trim kit on my 701 elevator. When I move
> the tab +30 to -30 degrees from center, the tab/hinge binds at about
> center of travel (neutral trim). I can see the skin oilcan slightly at
> the binding point and the tab itself curves at one extreme but is flat
> at the other extreme.
>
> I do not want the binding because it would load the servo more than is
> necessary. Has anyone had any experience with something like this or
> have any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> Chuck Kyle
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Forced Landing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Larry Martin wrote:
> The best way I have found to install a oil sending unit with a Subaru or any
other engine for that matter is to use a 12" grease whip and locate your sending
unit on the firewall.
>
What is a grease whip ??????
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| Subject: | 601 HD Main Gear Bungees |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
"Jeff,
If you want to keep the bolt heads outside, (my preference) you might
consider making an 3/16 inch thick bar with threaded holes and place thin
radial lock washers outside."
Larry,
With several replies to my post in mind, I decided to move the bolt
heads inside (backwards) to make more room for the bungee cords. This
allows the nuts to be inspected during preflight. And it is a bit easier to
install without making a strip. I ended up making a special tool too. I
used some left over tubing from making the compression tool, similar to the
one in your picture, and attached a box end wrench on one side and an open
end wrench on the other. The tubing created a very long extension that
could reach down into the gear box to the nuts. Then I could hold the bolt
head from the top of the gear box and turn the nuts on the outside with a
second wrench. This is, of course, incorrect technique, but with only 20
inch pounds torque required, shouldn't be a problem. When I have to change
the bungees, I'll have to remove the top skin again too. I suspect that
will be some time pretty far into the future from the comments I have heard!
Jeff
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| Subject: | Rear wing spar question. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
Hello again everyone...
I have just attached my rear spar to the back of the rear ribs and it
is clear that it is not straight. That is, the ribs are not all the
perfect length so the spar is "bowed in" in the middle. I haven't
talked with the factory yet, but has anyone else experienced something
similar and what did you do? It is quite obvious when sighting down
the spar - probably close to a centimeter in the middle - maybe only
half that - tough to tell. (I did check and make sure I had put on
the right spars in the right places - they are all shorter than the
last one so i think I have it right.)
Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers, Michael Valentine
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| Subject: | Re: Sound proof and finish panels |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Tommy, I have told it's there, but I don't get that magazine. The photo
should have my Grandson Jake in it. I saw him this evening and he begged to go
flying again. Thanks for the complement on the bird. I couldn't get up this
weekend because of the weather and I'm itching to fly. I may skip some work this
week if it gets to VFR. Hope your well and maybe I can get over your way this
summer, best regards, Bill
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