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1. 02:15 AM - MCS Sales Rivet Puller (eBay) (Larry Portouw)
2. 03:02 AM - Re: MCS Sales Rivet Puller (eBay) (Elwood140@aol.com)
3. 05:59 AM - Rudder Workshop (John Hines)
4. 06:06 AM - I have a running engine!! (Bill Howerton)
5. 06:57 AM - Re: I have a running engine!! (Gig Giacona)
6. 08:20 AM - Re: I have a running engine!! (BillHowerton)
7. 08:29 AM - Re: Rear wing spar question. (Jack Russell)
8. 09:06 AM - RE : Re: Rear wing spar question - shimming (Carlos Sa)
9. 11:27 AM - Re: : Re: Rear wing spar question - shimming (japhillipsga@aol.com)
10. 11:36 AM - Re: : Re: Rear wing spar question - shimming (japhillipsga@aol.com)
11. 02:08 PM - Re: Imprortant New Corvair info from WW (Gig Giacona)
12. 02:56 PM - FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. (Richard T. Perry)
13. 03:04 PM - Re: Rudder Workshop (kevinbonds)
14. 05:22 PM - Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. (Mike Sinclair)
15. 05:40 PM - Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. (Steve Hulland)
16. 07:14 PM - Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. (lgingell)
17. 07:29 PM - Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. (Mike Sinclair)
18. 07:29 PM - Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. (Mike Sinclair)
19. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. (Craig Payne)
20. 07:45 PM - Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. (Mike Sinclair)
21. 07:52 PM - Aluminum Sheet Sourcing (Nate Erb)
22. 08:15 PM - Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. (Steve Hulland)
23. 09:00 PM - Re: Aluminum Sheet Sourcing (Ron Lendon)
24. 09:11 PM - [Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month.] (Mike Sinclair)
25. 09:12 PM - Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. (Rory Davis)
26. 09:26 PM - Re: [Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month.] (Mike Sinclair)
27. 09:49 PM - Re: Aluminum Sheet Sourcing (Randy L. Thwing)
28. 09:52 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Sheet Sourcing (Craig Payne)
29. 11:03 PM - Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | MCS Sales Rivet Puller (eBay) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" <Larry@portouw.com>
Has anyone bought or used one of these rivet pullers?
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1&Item=7583391017
They are offered by MCS Sales on eBay for $45.00. I'm assuming it's a Chinese knockoff.
Good price. Photo attached for those on the forum.
Larry Portouw
601XL kit H. Stab
Atlanta, GA
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| Subject: | Re: MCS Sales Rivet Puller (eBay) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
In a message dated 1/23/2006 4:16:40 AM Central Standard Time,
Larry@portouw.com writes:
Has anyone bought or used one of these rivet pullers?
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1&
Item=7583391017
Larry, this appears to be the exact same rivet puller that Zenith sells. If
that is true, the price is good and the puller works well. Mine has pulled
lots of rivets. One thing you will probably notice is that they leak a
little air with a resulting low hiss. This seems to be the nature of the beast
and has no other effect besides nuisance noise.
Regards,
Larry Wood
(N701LW in process)
Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
Guys,
I went to the rudder workshop last week and it was great. The
facilities were very nice and the people were fantastic. I really
encourage anyone who is thinking about building to attend. I have some
pictures of the workshop and the demo flight on my web site. Check it
out and let me know what you think. http://www.johnsplane.com/
John
John Hines
IT Manager
Crafton, Tull & Associates
901 N. 47th Street, Suite 200
Rogers, AR 72756
Tel: 479-878-2449
Fax: 479-631-6224
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| Subject: | I have a running engine!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
As many of you know, I've been building a Corvair engine for my 601XL.
Well, last year I was in Florida, and had the oppurtunity to meet William
Wynne at his shop. After a long conversation, he offered to take all the
parts that I had collected and prepped and assemble my engine for me at his
shop. An offer I jumped on right away.
So I shipped it all off, and then in late October he called me to let me
know that the engine was running, and was ready to spend some time on his
Dyno. Now after a long series of testing and adjustments by him and his
crew, about two weeks ago, my engine was crated up, and shipped to my home
in Colorado, and last week it arrived.
I couldn't wait to open the crate and take a look. I couldn't have been
more pleased with the way it came out. This weekend, I took many many
pictures and posted them on my site. Take a look:
http://bill.howerton.com/zodiac/engine_page.htm
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: I have a running engine!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
That's great have you weighed it by any chance?
Is the crank nitrited?
Bill(at)Howerton.com wrote:
> As many of you know, I've been building a Corvair engine for my 601XL.
> Well, last year I was in Florida, and had the oppurtunity to meet William
> Wynne at his shop. After a long conversation, he offered to take all the
> parts that I had collected and prepped and assemble my engine for me at his
> shop. An offer I jumped on right away.
>
> So I shipped it all off, and then in late October he called me to let me
> know that the engine was running, and was ready to spend some time on his
> Dyno. Now after a long series of testing and adjustments by him and his
> crew, about two weeks ago, my engine was crated up, and shipped to my home
> in Colorado, and last week it arrived.
>
> I couldn't wait to open the crate and take a look. I couldn't have been
> more pleased with the way it came out. This weekend, I took many many
> pictures and posted them on my site. Take a look:
> http://bill.howerton.com/zodiac/engine_page.htm
>
> Bill
--------
W.R. Gig Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: I have a running engine!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "BillHowerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
No and yes
I haven't quite figured out a good way to weigh it, however WW tells me that it
weighed in at 218 pounds.
As far as Nitriding the crank: Yes! I've read enough on the subject to conclude
that installing a non-nitrided crank represents too great of a risk. In my
opinion, the additonal cost was well worth the insurance it provided. For what
was essentially an additional investment of $150 and a willingness to wait
an additional 6 weeks or so while it went to the nitriding shop I just gained
a huge piece of mind, and have dramatically reduced the liklihood that my crank
will suffer from stress fractures.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6144#6144
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| Subject: | Re: Rear wing spar question. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
michael: I found a use for adding a few aluminum shims in several places durning
the build. I believe I used a couple just where you are having the problem .
Jack in Los Osos CA
Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted
by: Michael Valentine
Hello again everyone...
I have just attached my rear spar to the back of the rear ribs and it
is clear that it is not straight.
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: Rear wing spar question - shimming |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Shimms are ok up to 3 mm, more than that and you should "consult the designer"
(from the old HD construction manual, page 12).
Carlos
CH601-HD. Left tank done, right tank in progress.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell
michael: I found a use for adding a few aluminum shims in several places durning
the build. I believe I used a couple just where you are having the problem .
Jack in Los Osos CA
Michael Valentine wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Valentine
Hello again everyone...
I have just attached my rear spar to the back of the rear ribs and it
is clear that it is not straight.
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: Rear wing spar question - shimming |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com
Michael, forgive me, maybe I missed some of your message. Are you saying that the
rear spar metal is warped ? Or is it setting at an angle to the main spar ?
If it is warped, is it metal bent in or out, up or down ? Is the warp standard
the whole length of the spar ? I am having trouble picturing a warp. I have
read that there is a difference in the plans for wings from when I built mine
a couple years ago, but I recall cutting blocks of wood to specific differing
heights to set wing ribs on that warped the rear of the wing from the main spar
as a design consideration. Is that the warp your writing about ? Is your wing
still in clecos or have you riveted yet ? Is this the second wing and if not,
does it match the first wing ? Best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:05:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RE : Re: Zenith-List: Rear wing spar question - shimming
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Shimms are ok up to 3 mm, more than that and you should "consult the designer"
(from the old HD construction manual, page 12).
Carlos
CH601-HD. Left tank done, right tank in progress.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell
michael: I found a use for adding a few aluminum shims in several places durning
the build. I believe I used a couple just where you are having the problem .
Jack in Los Osos CA
Michael Valentine wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Valentine
Hello again everyone...
I have just attached my rear spar to the back of the rear ribs and it
is clear that it is not straight.
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: Rear wing spar question - shimming |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com
Michael, the only two reasons I can think of is if you used the wrong center rib
(s) at the correct location or you set the rib at the wrong place on the backside
of the main spar. Either one would cause an alignment problem with the rear
spar. I am, of course, discounting that ZAC sent you any imprecise part (s),
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: japhillipsga@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:26:27 -0500
Subject: Re: : Re: Zenith-List: Rear wing spar question - shimming
--> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com
Michael, forgive me, maybe I missed some of your message. Are you saying that
the rear spar metal is warped ? Or is it setting at an angle to the main spar ?
If it is warped, is it metal bent in or out, up or down ? Is the warp standard
the whole length of the spar ? I am having trouble picturing a warp. I have read
that there is a difference in the plans for wings from when I built mine a
couple years ago, but I recall cutting blocks of wood to specific differing
heights to set wing ribs on that warped the rear of the wing from the main spar
as a design consideration. Is that the warp your writing about ? Is your wing
still in clecos or have you riveted yet ? Is this the second wing and if not,
does it match the first wing ? Best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:05:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RE : Re: Zenith-List: Rear wing spar question - shimming
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Shimms are ok up to 3 mm, more than that and you should "consult the designer"
(from the old HD construction manual, page 12).
Carlos
CH601-HD. Left tank done, right tank in progress.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell
michael: I found a use for adding a few aluminum shims in several places durning
the build. I believe I used a couple just where you are having the problem .
Jack in Los Osos CA
Michael Valentine wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Valentine
Hello again everyone...
I have just attached my rear spar to the back of the rear ribs and it
is clear that it is not straight.
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: Imprortant New Corvair info from WW |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
> I don't see anything new beyond what I read on the 15th. Am I missing
> something?
>
> -- Craig
>
> --
No but I hadn't seen any mention of the issue here in the Zenith forum. I just
came accross it recently over at R.A.H.
--------
W.R. Gig Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
Sorry if this is a duplicate posting, folks, but I tried posting this
several days ago and it seems to have never shown up in the digests that I
get, so I'm assuming some SPAM filter munched it somewhere.
Anyway, for those of us that aren't familiar with it, the FAA puts out a
monthly publication - titled AC43-16A, or "Aviation Maintenance Alerts".
It's a summary of feedback they're getting (either voluntarily or required
per the FAR's) from operators and mechanics in the field. This last month
(Dec 05) it had three items about the CH-701 in it. The issue can be had
from the FAA at:
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/safety/alerts/aviation_maintenance/index.cfm
It's been somewhat unusual to see items about experimental aircraft in the
past - perhaps this is a sign of an increased focus on SLSA-type aircraft
(which is a good thing, I think.)
Anyway, the important bit is that while these reports carry NO regulatory
weight with them, it's been my experience as an A&P that things that show up
in this publication are worth keeping in mind the next time you look at an
area of the aircraft, 'cause if somebody else noticed them and was motivated
enough to send in a report on it...well, let's just say that most mechanics
aren't known for their love of paperwork.
We pass these publications around to all our guys in the shop here, and I
try to keep a binder with back issues with the "items" about the aircraft we
have here tabbed. Of the three items that I saw in this particular issue,
the prop hub crack scared me a bit (considering this prop appears to have a
history of cracking in other applications - check www.ultralightnews.ca and
search on "Warp Drive" for further), and the other two issues concerned me a
little considering they're both related to primary flight controls. I think
that if I owned or maintained a 701 (I don't, not yet), I'd keep an eye on
those areas, or possibly look at beefing up those areas a bit while
building.
Thanks -
Richard Perry, A&P/IA
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
My wife wants to challenge your dad to a clecoff. Ha Ha.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hines
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Workshop
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
Guys,
I went to the rudder workshop last week and it was great. The
facilities were very nice and the people were fantastic. I really
encourage anyone who is thinking about building to attend. I have some
pictures of the workshop and the demo flight on my web site. Check it
out and let me know what you think. http://www.johnsplane.com/
John
John Hines
IT Manager
Crafton, Tull & Associates
901 N. 47th Street, Suite 200
Rogers, AR 72756
Tel: 479-878-2449
Fax: 479-631-6224
Mob: 479-366-4783
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Richard
Appreciate you bringing the 701 safety alerts to our attention. As you (or
any other A&P's) have regular access to these type of alerts, most defintely
feel free to pass this info along to other builders. As I am limited to a dial
up connection only, I don't usually see these type of alerts, though suspect I
might try to look them up a little more. This one took over 45 minutes to
download.
Now, for what it's worth, I took a good look at the alert and my best guess
on the prop hub crack is that it is probably on an older 582 powered 701 as it
is only a 2 bladed prop. Most of the current builders if using a warp drive prop
would now have one of the newer 3 blade assemblies. On the cracked elevator
hinge bracket, this looks to be one area that should be looked at during
conditional inspection. Though looking at the condition of the paint surrounding
the area leads one to belive that this aircraft has had considerable use,
possibly been parked outside a long time, and the problem should have been
noticed quite some time ago due to the deterioration in the bend area. Finally,
the loose rudder hinge problem looks to me to be a builders error in the first
place. I have the plans dated 1986 and even in them it calls for AN3 bolts to
hold this plate in place, not pop rivits. I would suspect that a close
examination on this aircraft would find more than just the 3 problem area listed
in the alert.
That said, thanks again for passing on this info.
Mike Sinclair N701TD
> Anyway, for those of us that aren't familiar with it, the FAA puts out a
> monthly publication - titled AC43-16A, or "Aviation Maintenance Alerts".
> It's a summary of feedback they're getting (either voluntarily or required
> per the FAR's) from operators and mechanics in the field. This last month
> (Dec 05) it had three items about the CH-701 in it. The issue can be had
> from the FAA at:
>
> http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/safety/alerts/aviation_maintenance/index.cfm
>
> the prop hub crack scared me a bit (considering this prop appears to have a
> history of cracking in other applications - check www.ultralightnews.ca and
> search on "Warp Drive" for further), and the other two issues concerned me a
> little considering they're both related to primary flight controls. I think
> that if I owned or maintained a 701 (I don't, not yet), I'd keep an eye on
> those areas, or possibly look at beefing up those areas a bit while
> building.
>
> Thanks -
>
> Richard Perry, A&P/IA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Richard,
I went to the web site you bookmarked, but could not find my way to
AC43-16A. Can you give me some additional guidance - I am very interested in
reading these safety items.
On 1/23/06, Richard T. Perry <perryrt@hotmail.com> wrote:
> the FAA puts out a
> monthly publication - titled AC43-16A, or "Aviation Maintenance Alerts".
> It's a summary of feedback they're getting (either voluntarily or required
> per the FAR's) from operators and mechanics in the field. This last month
> (Dec 05) it had three items about the CH-701 in it. The issue can be had
> from the FAA at:
> http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/safety/alerts/aviation_maintenance/index.cfm
> --
> Semper Fi,
> Steven R. Hulland
> CH 701, Amado, AZ
> This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies
> scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Its the December PDF:
Look here: http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/safety/alerts/aviation_maintenance/media/2005/2005_12_Alert.pdf
hope this helps you find it,
..lance
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Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Steve
When you go to the link, and see the box with the 2006 that has the click down
button, go there and pick 2005, then Dec. And it gets you right to where you
need to go.
Mike Sinclair ex- US Navy, Just like always, gotta help the Marines get to the
beach!
Steve Hulland wrote:
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>
> Richard,
> I went to the web site you bookmarked, but could not find my way to
> AC43-16A. Can you give me some additional guidance - I am very interested in
> reading these safety items.
> On 1/23/06, Richard T. Perry <perryrt@hotmail.com> wrote:
> :
> > http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/safety/alerts/aviation_maintenance/index.cfm
> > --
> > Semper Fi,
> > Steven R. Hulland
> > CH 701, Amado, AZ
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Steve
When you go to the link, and see the box with the 2006 that has the click down
button, go there and pick 2005, then Dec. And it gets you right to where you
need to go.
Mike Sinclair ex-US Navy (and not just an average boat jockey, 2 tours to Nam
with one spent in the Delta riding river boats), & just like always, gotta help
the Marines get to the beach!
N701TD
Steve Hulland wrote:
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>
> Richard,
> I went to the web site you bookmarked, but could not find my way to
> AC43-16A. Can you give me some additional guidance - I am very interested in
> reading these safety items.
> On 1/23/06, Richard T. Perry <perryrt@hotmail.com> wrote:
> :
> > http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/safety/alerts/aviation_maintenance/index.cfm
> > --
> > Semper Fi,
> > Steven R. Hulland
> > CH 701, Amado, AZ
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Or as a tiny URL:
http://tinyurl.com/9ew7d
-- Craig
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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month.
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Its the December PDF:
Look here:
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/safety/alerts/aviation_maintenance/media/2005/20
05_12_Alert.pdf
hope this helps you find it,
..lance
--------
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http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
My appologies guys, didn't think the first little bit of guff for the Marines went
out. Thought I stopped it before it went because I wanted to add another line.
And
Steve, I hope you didn't take any offense, it's just a small part of the crap I
get
from my other ex-Marine friends. After seeing all the Semper-Fi, I finally couldn't
hold back any longer. And for sure am proud of all our Vets.
Mike Sinclair
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| Subject: | Aluminum Sheet Sourcing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Nate Erb" <nate@itfusionsos.com>
Hello Group,
I have received my plans, the workshop is ready. Zodiac 601XL #6274
production will commence as soon as I procure the materials. It's very
exciting, as I am sick of polishing my ass in front of this computer. I
think I must have read the whole Internet by now. Television does
nothing for me anymore.
Here's what I've found on Al pricing so far, for archival purposes for
future scratch-builders:
6061-T6 .025 48"x144"
--------------------------------
Wicks - $87.15 on the web plus UPS shipping (~$18 I'm guessing)
Aircraft Spruce - $77.50 on the web plus UPS shipping (~$18 I'm
guessing) plus a $4 boxing charge
SpeedyMetals (local - like MetalMart) - sold per pound @ $5.93 - so
about $102.63 per their quote, but no shipping
Yarde -- $57.20 per sheet - plus a skid fee of $75 plus freight (~$200)
for the order
I need 13 sheets of this. The price difference between the local-yokels
at SpeedyMetals and Yarde is nearly $600.00!
I don't know if you can get a certificate of quality from Yarde, and
doubt the SpeedyMetals quote came with that.
Caveat emptor! Buyer beware! If any of you are building from plans, IT
PAYS TO SHOP AROUND FOR YOUR MATERIALS!!!
And, like others here have warned, don't tell 'em what it's for. People
hear "airplane" and you are instantly a Rockefeller. Price goes up 50%.
Nate Erb
601XL from plans / Corvair power (well maybe, now with the crank issues
and the 701/Warp Drive AC mentioned today)
Plans looked at, workbench half ready. Planned completion 2053.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Mike,
No offense taken, I am aware of the source. During my twenty plus years in
the Corps I spent more than three years afloat, 2 years teaching at
Navy/Marine Corps schools; 1.5 years as OIC of Navy/Marine Corps schools;
1/2 year stationed at NAS; and 2.5 years as Marine I&I at NAS. Rank varied
from Sergeant to Captain. In all cases, the Navy guys needed lots of help
reading/working radar/filling out personel evaluations/making decisions and
figuring out who the enemy was. On the other hand, they never needed help
with Acy-Ducy; Drinking Coffee; Finding their Rack; or Determining the best
Liberty location and time. Besides, during those few times I needed a taxi
from the boat to the beach, the Navy was there. I got to the beach via Navy
taxi (excluding numerous liberty taxi's) eight times - appreciate the rides.
BTW,
I did go to the "Display Alerts" and attempted to display December 2005 - it
did not work. Will try something else when I do not have to get some sleep
before work.
*Do Not Archive
*
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 701, Amado, AZ
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
I got almost all my material from the same source, Jim Dankovich. He procured
it from Yarde and decided to sell it to me before he broke the bands. I picked
it up a couple of weeks ago and have most of the rudder parts made. The price
from the folks at Yarde seemed about the lowest, and their material, which
Iv'e handled every sheet while loading into the rack, looks to be of good quality.
Forms and bends just like 6061 T6 which is what the mill marks say.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Wow, 20+. You were quite a bit more serious about it than I or most of my peers
were. But I do appreciate your dedication. And I noticed that being a normal
Marine you couldn't avoid a minor jab about Acey Duecy, etc.. I am proud to have
served with you guys. As a matter of fact it was some of your guys that helped
me understand the first time I heard that strange kind of a screaming whistle,
you need to make yourself as flat and small as possible. Amazing to see all
those Marines laying on the deck around you, and a whole bunch of cherry
swabbies looking at them and wondering what the hell was going on, until the
bang! Next time I was right down there with them. Did a mapquest search and seen
where Amado is (and seen that I have been thru there a couple of times), may
have to look you up sometime in the next couple of years. I went to school at
Pima College there in Tucson in the late 70's and have been kind of thinking
about getting back down that way sometime to see how things have changed. Really
enjoyed the area and the climate, but to make any money had to come back up to
Wichita and the aircraft industry around here to make a living. But since Boeing
sold the Wichita commercial division last year, and I was 55, I decided to
retire and now have a bit more free time. Back to the AC43.16, it is a .pdf file
and requires Adobe Acrobat to read it. If you don't have that on your computer,
there is a link at the bottom of the page to download the reader. Also, I've
noticed that when I sometimes try to open this type of file on Netscape (where
my e-mail is) it doesn't always work, so in that case I copy the link and paste
on Internet Explorer and then it will usually work. Hope this helps and maybe
our paths will cross someday.
Mike Sinclair
Steve Hulland wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
>
> Mike,
> No offense taken, I am aware of the source. During my twenty plus years in
> the Corps I spent more than three years afloat, 2 years teaching at
> Navy/Marine Corps schools; 1.5 years as OIC of Navy/Marine Corps schools;
> 1/2 year stationed at NAS; and 2.5 years as Marine I&I at NAS. Rank varied
> from Sergeant to Captain. In all cases, the Navy guys needed lots of help
> reading/working radar/filling out personel evaluations/making decisions and
> figuring out who the enemy was. On the other hand, they never needed help
> with Acy-Ducy; Drinking Coffee; Finding their Rack; or Determining the best
> Liberty location and time. Besides, during those few times I needed a taxi
> from the boat to the beach, the Navy was there. I got to the beach via Navy
> taxi (excluding numerous liberty taxi's) eight times - appreciate the rides.
>
> BTW,
> I did go to the "Display Alerts" and attempted to display December 2005 - it
> did not work. Will try something else when I do not have to get some sleep
> before work.
>
> *Do Not Archive
> *
> --
> Semper Fi,
> Steven R. Hulland
> CH 701, Amado, AZ
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rory Davis <n7cr@bellsouth.net>
Did anyone else get the impression that this particular 701 has been poorly
maintained?
In the photos of the rudder hinge, I believe the location was identified
incorrectly in the report. That appears to be the upper rudder hinge plate
7F4-1, which as Mike correctly points out should be attached with 4 ea AN3-4A.
It is identified as the _lower_ hinge bracket in the report.
It also appears that the elevator hinge bracket described in the report is more
properly identified as the center hinge gusset 7H5-4 in the 2004 plans, which
has been changed from two L sections riveted together as shown in the photo, to
a single bracket with an additional flange which would reduce the flexing of the
gusset web which causes the stress crack at the bend.
Rory
CH-701 empennage nearly complete
Mike Sinclair said the following on 1/23/2006 7:21 PM:
<SNIP>
> would now have one of the newer 3 blade assemblies. On the cracked elevator
> hinge bracket, this looks to be one area that should be looked at during
> conditional inspection. Though looking at the condition of the paint surrounding
> the area leads one to belive that this aircraft has had considerable use,
> possibly been parked outside a long time, and the problem should have been
> noticed quite some time ago due to the deterioration in the bend area. Finally,
> the loose rudder hinge problem looks to me to be a builders error in the first
> place. I have the plans dated 1986 and even in them it calls for AN3 bolts to
> hold this plate in place, not pop rivits. I would suspect that a close
> examination on this aircraft would find more than just the 3 problem area listed
> in the alert.
>
> That said, thanks again for passing on this info.
>
> Mike Sinclair N701TD
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Once again I've got to apologize. I thought I was replying to Steve Hulland
offline and find that I've once again sent something to the list which I did not
intend. I've been modifying my cowl to accept the 17mm farther forward position
of
the new 912s and a larger oil cooler, as compared to the old 912ul and stock oil
cooler, and I'm going to use the fiberglass resin fumes as an excuse. No more
e-mails for me tonight!
Do Not Archive
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Sheet Sourcing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
I still recommend Copper & Brass Sales, check the archives, everything I've
bought from them for several years has been quoted at very good prices with
freight paid. Of course, I live in Las Vegas, NV, I don't know how they
handle more rural areas but they have distribution centers all over the
country. Metals are a volume business, the more you buy the cheaper it gets
per lb. When I need 3 sheets, I always ask for quotes on 3 sheets, 6
sheets, 10 sheets and 20 sheets to see where the real price breaks are.
Also, at Copper & Brass Sales, they quote on the total weight of a shipment
of a like material, i.e. all 6061T6, without regard for the various sheet
thicknesses.
Randy L. Thwing, do not archive
> 6061-T6 .025 48"x144"
>
> --------------------------------
>
> Wicks - $87.15 on the web plus UPS shipping (~$18 I'm guessing)
>
> Aircraft Spruce - $77.50 on the web plus UPS shipping (~$18 I'm
> guessing) plus a $4 boxing charge
>
> SpeedyMetals (local - like MetalMart) - sold per pound @ $5.93 - so
> about $102.63 per their quote, but no shipping
>
> Yarde -- $57.20 per sheet - plus a skid fee of $75 plus freight (~$200)
> for the order
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Hmm, interesting. I have the rest of Jim's project: the XL and a roll of
aluminum.
Jim sometimes reads this list - Hi Jim!
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lendon
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aluminum Sheet Sourcing
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
I got almost all my material from the same source, Jim Dankovich. He
procured it from Yarde and decided to sell it to me before he broke the
bands. I picked it up a couple of weeks ago and have most of the rudder
parts made. The price from the folks at Yarde seemed about the lowest, and
their material, which Iv'e handled every sheet while loading into the rack,
looks to be of good quality. Forms and bends just like 6061 T6 which is what
the mill marks say.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
By the way, looks like that airplane (in the article) is very negletled (sp?)
is no surprise to find this problems there, also I think (almost sure) is a
pre 912 model, remember that the 701 has about 25 or more years since the first
plans were released...
Nothing better that a good daily preflight, personal washing the plane and constant
by the book mantainance to keep a safe airplane.
What ever, if someone finds something important like this, please let us all
know. I (we all) appreciate it very much. Safety first.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Rory Davis <n7cr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rory Davis
Did anyone else get the impression that this particular 701 has been poorly
maintained?
In the photos of the rudder hinge, I believe the location was identified
incorrectly in the report. That appears to be the upper rudder hinge plate
7F4-1, which as Mike correctly points out should be attached with 4 ea AN3-4A.
It is identified as the _lower_ hinge bracket in the report.
It also appears that the elevator hinge bracket described in the report is more
properly identified as the center hinge gusset 7H5-4 in the 2004 plans, which
has been changed from two L sections riveted together as shown in the photo, to
a single bracket with an additional flange which would reduce the flexing of the
gusset web which causes the stress crack at the bend.
Rory
CH-701 empennage nearly complete
Mike Sinclair said the following on 1/23/2006 7:21 PM:
> would now have one of the newer 3 blade assemblies. On the cracked elevator
> hinge bracket, this looks to be one area that should be looked at during
> conditional inspection. Though looking at the condition of the paint surrounding
> the area leads one to belive that this aircraft has had considerable use,
> possibly been parked outside a long time, and the problem should have been
> noticed quite some time ago due to the deterioration in the bend area. Finally,
> the loose rudder hinge problem looks to me to be a builders error in the first
> place. I have the plans dated 1986 and even in them it calls for AN3 bolts to
> hold this plate in place, not pop rivits. I would suspect that a close
> examination on this aircraft would find more than just the 3 problem area listed
> in the alert.
>
> That said, thanks again for passing on this info.
>
> Mike Sinclair N701TD
>
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