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1. 09:31 AM - R912 oil filter & breather hose (Zed Smith)
2. 12:57 PM - fuel senders (Brad Cohen)
3. 01:13 PM - Non-Toxic Anti-corrosion?? (John Hines)
4. 01:23 PM - Re: Non-Toxic Anti-corrosion?? (kevinbonds)
5. 01:29 PM - Webmasters Sun-N-Fun BBQ (Zodie Rocket)
6. 01:49 PM - Re: fuel senders (N5SL)
7. 03:02 PM - Tire size and Zero G. (Tim Egan)
8. 03:39 PM - Re: Tire size and Zero G. (John Marzulli)
9. 04:18 PM - Re: Tire size and Zero G. (Samm Munn)
10. 05:04 PM - Fuel tanks - one done, one to go (Carlos Sa)
11. 05:30 PM - Re: Tire size and Zero G. (Larry McFarland)
12. 05:41 PM - Re: Fuel tanks - one done, one to go (n801bh@netzero.com)
13. 07:03 PM - Re: fuel senders (Paul Mulwitz)
14. 09:50 PM - Re: fuel senders (Jon Croke)
15. 10:33 PM - Re: Tire size and Zero G. (Paul Mulwitz)
16. 10:47 PM - Hawaii metal tool shops? (Chris sinfield)
17. 11:30 PM - Re: N701ZX 1st flight (NYTerminat@aol.com)
18. 11:37 PM - Re: N701ZX 1st flight (NYTerminat@AOL.COM)
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| Subject: | R912 oil filter & breather hose |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
List -
Somebody emailed me off-list asking about safety-wiring the oil filter and also
asked if there was an easy way to prevent the oil tank breather hose from making
bottom of plane nasty.
My apologies.....in a hasty session of deleting a bunch of stuff, yours got trashed.
At this point we insert DO NOT ARCHIVE.
At a Rotax factory school we were shown the easy way to safety the filter: Put
an appropriate size hose clamp around the filter right at the base of the filter,
nice and snug, don't crush the filter. Then safety the clamp with wire around
the clamp bolt head and through the nearby engine case bolt head which already
has a hole for the wire. The clamp can be rotated such that the clamp
bolt is near the case bolt.....makes for a really short safety wire.
ZAC drawings/assembly manual (mine, at least) call for a hose from the oil tank
breather to a point just below the bottom of the firewall (in the airstream).
If you run this hose to a bottle, akin to the water overflow bottle, then the dripping
oil ends up in the bottle and not smeared all over the bottom of the fuselage.
One caution.....no need for a short hose inside the bottle, and drill
a couple of #30 holes in the bottle cap so it too can breathe. Mounting on
the firewall is much like the radiator overflow bottle; where it fits best.
My 912 previously lived on a pusher, had the breather bottle setup, and never got
spatters on the tail surfaces.
Hope this is helpful, whoever you were,
Zed/701/R912/90% etc
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
hello all,
after a short hiatus, I have returned to working on N969BC, my 601XL. I have a
question regarding the fuel senders.
I have installed both units on the top of the tanks as so many of you suggested.
I bent the float arm so the float rests on the very bottom of the tank when
it is empty. According to the plans the Ohms should be 70 for empty and 10 for
full fuel.
Of course that's not exactly how mine turned out. both tanks varied somewhat from
70.5 to 68.3 (empty) as I added water 2 gallons at a time I took a new reading
with the Ohm meter and started getting inconsistent results.
0 gals; 70.5/68.3 (in Ohms, Right tank then Left)
2 gal; 46.4/37.2
4 gal; 35/27.8
6 gal; 28.5/21.9
8 gal; 22.2/21.9
10gal; 24/22.2
12 gal;27/29.6
14.5 gal; 26/27
Believe it or not, at 6 degrees incidence 14.5 gal was the most I could stuff into
the tanks. you can see the inversion of the readings @ ~ half tanks I assume
due to the bent float arm
is this discrepancy something that I can rectify when the gauges are installed?
did I make a huge error when I installed the damn things? any suggestions?
-Brad Cohen
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| Subject: | Non-Toxic Anti-corrosion?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
When I was at the Rudder workshop last week they had coated everything
with a non-toxic anti-corrosive paint. I forgot to ask what it was and
I don't see it mentioned on their web site. Does anyone know what it
is?
Thanks,
John
www.johnsplane.com
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John Hines
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901 N. 47th Street, Suite 200
Rogers, AR 72756
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| Subject: | Non-Toxic Anti-corrosion?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Cortec. Look it up in the archives.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hines
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Non-Toxic Anti-corrosion??
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
When I was at the Rudder workshop last week they had coated everything
with a non-toxic anti-corrosive paint. I forgot to ask what it was and
I don't see it mentioned on their web site. Does anyone know what it
is?
Thanks,
John
www.johnsplane.com
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John Hines
IT Manager
Crafton, Tull & Associates
901 N. 47th Street, Suite 200
Rogers, AR 72756
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| Subject: | Webmasters Sun-N-Fun BBQ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Hello Listers, once again David, Jon, Rick and Myself will be holding
the 2nd annual Webmasters BBQ. This event is dated for Thursday April 6
2006 right after the show, running till over, which was 8pm last
year(last trolley back to parking area). The BBQ is a non-company event
by builders for builders and flyers and interested parties. We do not
charge anything, but since it does come out of our pockets we will have
the jar available again.
We have unfortunately run into one snag this year David and I are not
camping! We do have other avenues for location but would prefer to hold
it in the same camping area. I'm requesting fellow campers who are going
to Sun-N-Fun to possibly setup in the area of the BBQ last year, we will
look after all the other arrangements we just need Zenith people in the
area. Please let me know if your able to do this ASAP or else I will
have to make other arrangements.
Thanks Folks
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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1/20/2006
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| Subject: | Re: fuel senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Brad:
I'm probably missing something here, but why don't you
wire the fuel gauge to the sender, then add 12Vdc to
get an actual reading on your gauge?
That's what I did.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen"
> <bradfnp@msn.com>
> Believe it or not, at 6 degrees incidence 14.5 gal
> was the most I could stuff into the tanks. you can
> see the inversion of the readings @ ~ half tanks I
> assume due to the bent float arm
> is this discrepancy something that I can rectify
> when the gauges are installed? did I make a huge
> error when I installed the damn things? any
> suggestions?
>
> -Brad Cohen
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| Subject: | Tire size and Zero G. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Egan" <eedetailing@qwest.net>
Folks,
Anyone here have the size of tire handy for a 601 HD?
Need to get new ones ordered, and had to leave my plane
in MT last weekend.
Got my destination socked in by fog for 2 days.
Also got to experience a momentary zero G in clear air,
all of the sudden my camera bag is floating in the canopy
and then over to my side of the plane. Lost close to 1000 feet
before the ride was thru. Still analying in my mind, and so
am not sure if I suddenly got a 50 mph tail causing a stall
and drop or if it was downdraft, or a black hole.
No damage to the plane, we were flying wings level the whole
time.
TimE
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| Subject: | Re: Tire size and Zero G. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
I've been hearing conflicting views recently about how to deal with that
sort of down draft situation.
One side says to just try to hold your attitude while another has told me to
try to "dive" out of a draft like that to get out of it quicker.
I know there is a lot of GA experience on the list so any thoughts or
comments?
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On 1/25/06, Tim Egan <eedetailing@qwest.net> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Egan" <eedetailing@qwest.net>
>
> Folks,
> Anyone here have the size of tire handy for a 601 HD?
> Need to get new ones ordered, and had to leave my plane
> in MT last weekend.
> Got my destination socked in by fog for 2 days.
> Also got to experience a momentary zero G in clear air,
> all of the sudden my camera bag is floating in the canopy
> and then over to my side of the plane. Lost close to 1000 feet
> before the ride was thru. Still analying in my mind, and so
> am not sure if I suddenly got a 50 mph tail causing a stall
> and drop or if it was downdraft, or a black hole.
> No damage to the plane, we were flying wings level the whole
> time.
> TimE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tire size and Zero G. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Samm Munn" <heliav8r@swbell.net>
Just try to keep the wings level and reduce airspeed to your aircraft's
maneuvering speed.
DO NOT fight to keep the aircraft on altitude. You may amplify the vertical
oscillations resulting in increased load on the wings and you might either
stall or overload the wings during a pull-up.
Just SLOW DOWN and try to keep the wings level!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Marzulli" <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tire size and Zero G.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
>
> I've been hearing conflicting views recently about how to deal with that
> sort of down draft situation.
>
> One side says to just try to hold your attitude while another has told me
> to
> try to "dive" out of a draft like that to get out of it quicker.
>
> I know there is a lot of GA experience on the list so any thoughts or
> comments?
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> On 1/25/06, Tim Egan <eedetailing@qwest.net> wrote:
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Egan" <eedetailing@qwest.net>
>>
>> Folks,
>> Anyone here have the size of tire handy for a 601 HD?
>> Need to get new ones ordered, and had to leave my plane
>> in MT last weekend.
>> Got my destination socked in by fog for 2 days.
>> Also got to experience a momentary zero G in clear air,
>> all of the sudden my camera bag is floating in the canopy
>> and then over to my side of the plane. Lost close to 1000 feet
>> before the ride was thru. Still analying in my mind, and so
>> am not sure if I suddenly got a 50 mph tail causing a stall
>> and drop or if it was downdraft, or a black hole.
>> No damage to the plane, we were flying wings level the whole
>> time.
>> TimE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel tanks - one done, one to go |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, all
Sunday I finished one of the (CH601-HD) wing tanks - riveted, not welded ("stirred,
not shaken"?!)
I had help from so many people (via direct email and through this list) that I
can't name them - but they know who they are, and a big "thank you" goes to them
all!
As this is not the "normal" approach to building ZAC fuel tanks, I was on my own:
a lot of internet surfing and head scratching was required.
Much of the information came from builders web sites, particularly Graham Kirby ( http://www.601hd.com/index.htm )
and RV builders, like Dan Checkoway, who is writing a series for Kitplanes.
( http://www.rvproject.com/ )
I still have another tank to finish (this weekend, probably), but I posted a few
pictures of the completed work here:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/c.sa/tank.html
Hold your breath ask you click the URL... :o)
Cheers
Carlos
CH601-HD (a solid tradition in building fine aeroplanes since 1998 - number completed:
0.008)
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| Subject: | Re: Tire size and Zero G. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Tim,
If you're using the 8-inch wheels the tire size is generally called an
4.00 by 8.00.
I use a Michelin 3.5 by 8.0 called the S-83 tire. It's used on motor
scooters. Excellent
tire, rounded section and much easier to look at than the wheelbarrow tires.
Tubes for these also have the bent stems that are easily accessible.
Sometime ago, when getting a final check ride for re-establishment of my
pilot certificate, my
instructor and I encountered a wind-shear on final approach that cost us
100 feet with no notice.
Shortly after commenting that I was a little high we dropped as if the
wings were cut off, no imbalance
or change in attitude, but when we caught air again and regained
control, we were only 30 feet above the
runway. I'd never encountered shear before or since. It doesn't seem
to be something
you can do anything about or do to prevent short of flying higher or not
flying at all.
Very scary experience to say the least! We did report wind-shear to the
tower which provided
warning to other aircraft on approach for a while.
Larry McFarland
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Tim Egan wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Egan" <eedetailing@qwest.net>
>
>Folks,
>Anyone here have the size of tire handy for a 601 HD?
>Need to get new ones ordered, and had to leave my plane
>in MT last weekend.
>Got my destination socked in by fog for 2 days.
>Also got to experience a momentary zero G in clear air,
>all of the sudden my camera bag is floating in the canopy
>and then over to my side of the plane. Lost close to 1000 feet
>before the ride was thru. Still analying in my mind, and so
>am not sure if I suddenly got a 50 mph tail causing a stall
>and drop or if it was downdraft, or a black hole.
>No damage to the plane, we were flying wings level the whole
>time.
>TimE
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tanks - one done, one to go |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
Sunday I finished one of the (CH601-HD) wing tanks - riveted, not welded
("stirred, not shaken"?!)
I had help from so many people (via direct email and through this list) that I
can't name them - but they know who they are, and a big "thank you"
goes to them all!
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Nice clean looking work... Good job.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
Sunday I finished one of the (CH601-HD) wing tanks - riveted, not welded
("stirred, not shaken"?!)
I had help from so many people (via direct email and through this list) that I
can't name them - but they know who they are, and a big "thank you"
goes to them all!
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Nice clean looking work... Good job.
do not archive
BenHaas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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| Subject: | Re: fuel senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Brad,
I think your problem might be the water. The fuel sender has an open
frame variable resistor which the water can reach. If the water is
not completely pure, it will short it all out. I don't think this
will cause permanent damage. Just dry it all out and repeat your
test using fuel.
Good luck,
Paul
XL wings
At 12:56 PM 1/25/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
> as I added water 2 gallons at a time I took a new reading with
> the Ohm meter and started getting inconsistent results.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Hi Brad,
I went thru this same thing a couple years ago... here is the reason for
inaccurate readings..
If you use WATER, there are minerals (salt, iron etc) and you have created a
small battery! You have an aluminum tank, and an electrolyte (water with
trace minerals, esp if you have well water) and then some steel parts in the
sender. If you use your VOLT meter, you can detect millivolts being
generated from this combination that will mess up any OHM meter readings....
the moral of the story is: dont use WATER to take your tests. USE gasoline
or other solvent and you will find it works just right. The complete story
is in the archives (with my name)... like I say, I went thru this SAME issue
and it was frustrating and misleading until I discovered this!
Good luck
Jon
701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
>
> hello all,
> after a short hiatus, I have returned to working on N969BC, my 601XL. I
> have a question regarding the fuel senders.
> I have installed both units on the top of the tanks as so many of you
> suggested. I bent the float arm so the float rests on the very bottom of
> the tank when it is empty. According to the plans the Ohms should be 70
> for empty and 10 for full fuel.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tire size and Zero G. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I got involved in this discussion last time around, so I can give a
quick summary.
In powered planes, it is probably best to maintain attitude (and
airspeed) and wait for the downdraft to go away. Apparently glider
drivers like to push the nose down to get through this sort of thing
more quickly.
Good luck,
Paul
XL wings
At 03:38 PM 1/25/2006, you wrote:
>I've been hearing conflicting views recently about how to deal with that
>sort of down draft situation.
>
>One side says to just try to hold your attitude while another has told me to
>try to "dive" out of a draft like that to get out of it quicker.
>
>I know there is a lot of GA experience on the list so any thoughts or
>comments?
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Hawaii metal tool shops? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Chris sinfield <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com>
Any one know of any good aircraft tool shops in Hawaii (Hono)? I have a day off
there soon and wanted to pick up a heap of metal working tools and Clico's to
build my XL.. They must me cheaper than here in Australia or even buying and
shipping to Aust from Aircraft Spruce??
So are there any shops around Hono that carry the range of tools needed?.. and
would they be any cheeper than getting stuff shipped from the mainland back
to Australia..
Weight this trip would not be a problem as it will be in my plane..
Chris..
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| Subject: | Re: N701ZX 1st flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Johann
Thanks , The weight was within a few lbs so I suspect I have a rigging
problem.
Bob
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In a message dated 1/20/2006 7:54:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
johann@rafpostur.is writes:
Hello Bob.
Congratulations on your first flight.
I did not experience any left turn tendance. Was there much difference
between the weight of thr right and left main wheels, when doing the
weight and banlance?
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| Subject: | Re: N701ZX 1st flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Chuck
Thanks, I will look into that.
Bob Spudis
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In a message dated 1/20/2006 11:49:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
cfd@thegateway.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
I too initially had a "heavy" left wing. My heavy wing is due to the down
elevator cable being pulled to the side by a spring to avoid rubbing the up
cable. The spring puts a slight torque on the stick causing the left wing
to act heavy. Once I put the tab on the right flaperon which cancels most
of the roll and my vernier adjustment (adjustable spring tension on the
aileron push rod) all is fine. I have flown with various tank loadings and
passengers, there is very little roll influence from the loadings.
Chuck D.
N701TX
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