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1. 04:28 AM - Dynon Help please (Zodie Rocket)
2. 07:20 AM - Wing skin tension (Wes or Lurlene Bressler)
3. 07:56 AM - Re: Wing skin tension (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
4. 08:09 AM - Re: Wing skin tension (Bill Howerton)
5. 08:12 AM - Re: Wing skin tension (doug kandle)
6. 08:46 AM - Re: Wing skin tension (N5SL)
7. 09:15 AM - Re: Wing skin tension (Paul Mulwitz)
8. 11:07 AM - XL flap speed (601corvair)
9. 11:17 AM - Rotax 912 Engine List (Stanley Challgren)
10. 11:36 AM - Re: XL flap speed (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
11. 12:53 PM - Re: Rotax 912 Engine List (Gary Gower)
12. 03:08 PM - Re: Dynon Help please (Samm Munn)
13. 03:36 PM - Re: Wing skin tension (Zodie Rocket)
14. 03:52 PM - Re: Wing skin tension (William J. Naumuk)
15. 04:43 PM - Re: Wing skin tension (N5SL)
16. 06:34 PM - The Building has begun (Ron Lendon)
17. 07:51 PM - Re: N701ZX 1st flight (NYTerminat@aol.com)
18. 08:44 PM - Re: The Building has begun (Mike Sinclair)
19. 10:03 PM - Re: The Building has begun (Bill Howerton)
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| Subject: | Dynon Help please |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Has anyone installed the Dynon in there 601XL if so could you send some
pictures of the installation please.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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1/26/2006
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| Subject: | Wing skin tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wes or Lurlene Bressler" <bressler@wyoming.com>
Thread Users:
We are building a 601XL from a kit and are about to turn the first wing. The Photo
Guide indicates that after installation of the nose ribs and leading edge
skin, the wing is again turned and tension straps are used for making the final
curvature. The instructions indicate that a 2x4 should be used to bring the
skin into alignment. Our concern is that local lumber yards only handle grade
2 "construction grade" pine that will have warps and twists in a 12' length. How
important is it that the 2x4 be straight and flat? Is there another method
that others have used for load distribution?
Wes & Lurlene Bressler
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| Subject: | Wing skin tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
It certainly does not have to be completely flat but not horribly
twisted either....a standard #2 should be fine.
If your worried about it u could rip some strips of ply and glue them
together to make 1.5 thick but personally I think this is overkill.
Frank
601 HDS 390 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wes or
Lurlene Bressler
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:16 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Wing skin tension
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wes or Lurlene Bressler"
--> <bressler@wyoming.com>
Thread Users:
We are building a 601XL from a kit and are about to turn the first wing.
The Photo Guide indicates that after installation of the nose ribs and
leading edge skin, the wing is again turned and tension straps are used
for making the final curvature. The instructions indicate that a 2x4
should be used to bring the skin into alignment. Our concern is that
local lumber yards only handle grade 2 "construction grade" pine that
will have warps and twists in a 12' length. How important is it that the
2x4 be straight and flat? Is there another method that others have used
for load distribution?
Wes & Lurlene Bressler
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| Subject: | Re: Wing skin tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <bill@howerton.com>
I'ts reallno not critical that the boards be perferct, as long as they
can lay flat on the skin. The main thing you need to think about is that
the skin be subjected to even pressure. Instead of 2X4's I used three
1X2's. That way, I was able to duct-tape them to the skin so they
wouldn't shift while the straps were tightened.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wes or Lurlene Bressler"
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Wing skin tension
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:15:56 -0700
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wes or Lurlene Bressler"
Thread Users:
We are building a 601XL from a kit and are about to turn the first
wing. The
Photo Guide indicates that after installation of the nose ribs and
leading
edge skin, the wing is again turned and tension straps are used for
making the
final curvature. The instructions indicate that a 2x4 should be used
to bring
the skin into alignment. Our concern is that local lumber yards only
handle
grade 2 "construction grade" pine that will have warps and twists in
a 12'
length. How important is it that the 2x4 be straight and flat? Is
there
another method that others have used for load distribution?
Wes & Lurlene Bressler
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| Subject: | Re: Wing skin tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
Wes & Lurlene:
I used lengths MDF and vinyl trim/moldings (trim used on exterior
doors is about 1 x 2 or a bit bigger). While neither of these are as
rigid as solid wood, they are dimensionally stable. They worked
well, especially the vinyl.
Doug Kandle, CH 701
At 08:15 AM 1/27/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wes or Lurlene Bressler"
><bressler@wyoming.com>
>
>Thread Users:
>We are building a 601XL from a kit and are about to turn the first
>wing. The Photo Guide indicates that after installation of the nose
>ribs and leading edge skin, the wing is again turned and tension
>straps are used for making the final curvature. The instructions
>indicate that a 2x4 should be used to bring the skin into alignment.
>Our concern is that local lumber yards only handle grade 2
>"construction grade" pine that will have warps and twists in a 12'
>length. How important is it that the 2x4 be straight and flat? Is
>there another method that others have used for load distribution?
>
>Wes & Lurlene Bressler
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing skin tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Wes (and Lurlene):
Don't sweat it. As long as you can find something
that will press evenly across most of the length you
will be fine. I did it so many times I didn't use the
wood after it was drilled. I ripped a 2x4 in half so
I'd have two pieces. It's just there to spread out
the load. Here's a picture and you can see that my
timber was not perfectly flat:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/2_25_04_Wing1.JPG
You will be a pro at this before it's over since
you'll get lots of practice.
Happy Building,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
--- Wes or Lurlene Bressler <bressler@wyoming.com>
wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wes or Lurlene
> Bressler" <bressler@wyoming.com>
Is there another method that others have
> used for load distribution?
>
> Wes & Lurlene Bressler
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| Subject: | Re: Wing skin tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>I guess we all missed the part about using 2x4's. I used 1x3's I
>selected for their straight grain. I agree it is more important for
>the boards to be flat than anything else. It doesn't matter if they
>have holes in them or chips missing - only that they can lay flat on the skin.
Good luck,
Paul
XL wings
>Thread Users:
>We are building a 601XL from a kit and are about to turn the first
>wing. The Photo Guide indicates that after installation of the nose
>ribs and leading edge skin, the wing is again turned and tension
>straps are used for making the final curvature. The instructions
>indicate that a 2x4 should be used to bring the skin into alignment.
>Our concern is that local lumber yards only handle grade 2
>"construction grade" pine that will have warps and twists in a 12'
>length. How important is it that the 2x4 be straight and flat? Is
>there another method that others have used for load distribution?
>
>Wes & Lurlene Bressler
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair <airvair601@yahoo.com>
Hi All:
Does anyone know the degrees of travel of the XL flaps and the rate at which
they can be deployed and retracted (either in total travel time or degrees/sec).
Has anyone ever counted the seconds? For that matter how long does it
take to retract the 40 degrees of flaps in a C150? My memory of my training days
fades and I am now using manual flaps and they work as quick as my wrist.
---------------------------------
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Cc: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
| Subject: | Rotax 912 Engine List |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
Listees:
I am seriously considering the 912S for the 701 I will begin building
on Feb 16 at the rudder workshop. I am unable to find a Rotax engine
list similar to the one that the Jabiru owners have. I would like to
be part of a Rotax Builders List before making my final decision.
Can anyone suggest such a list?
Stan Challgren
701 Builder-to-be
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| Subject: | Re: XL flap speed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
Nominal travel on the XL flaps is 30 degrees. If I recall correctly, total travel
time to the stops is about 6 seconds.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
From: 601corvair <airvair601@yahoo.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair
>
> Hi All:
> Does anyone know the degrees of travel of the XL flaps and the rate at which
> they can be deployed and retracted (either in total travel time or
> degrees/sec). Has anyone ever counted the seconds? For that matter how long
> does it take to retract the 40 degrees of flaps in a C150? My memory of my
> training days fades and I am now using manual flaps and they work as quick as
> my wrist.
Nominal travel on the XL flaps is 30 degrees. If I recall correctly, total travel
time to the stops is about 6 seconds.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
From: 601corvair airvair601@yahoo.com
-- Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair <AIRVAIR601@YAHOO.COM>
Hi All:
Does anyone know the degrees of travel of the XL flaps and the rate at which
they can be deployed and retracted (either in total travel time or
degrees/sec). Has anyone ever counted the seconds? For that matter how long
does it take to retract the 40 degrees of flaps in a C150? My memory of my
training days fades and I am now using manual flaps and they work as quick as
my wrist.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Engine List |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Stan,
I dont know if there is a Rotax 912S list... But I have one in my 701, is perfect
for the plane, like that was designed for this plane.
Have taken off from 6,300 ft ASL and cruised at 11,500 with no problem. Take
off is great. Just very happy with my plane, better than spected!
Welcome to the 701 family anytime.
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren
Listees:
I am seriously considering the 912S for the 701 I will begin building
on Feb 16 at the rudder workshop. I am unable to find a Rotax engine
list similar to the one that the Jabiru owners have. I would like to
be part of a Rotax Builders List before making my final decision.
Can anyone suggest such a list?
Stan Challgren
701 Builder-to-be
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Help please |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Samm Munn" <heliav8r@swbell.net>
Try here:
http://www.epanelbuilder.com/legacy/
at the bottom of the page.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:19 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Dynon Help please
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
> Has anyone installed the Dynon in there 601XL if so could you send some
> pictures of the installation please.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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> 1/26/2006
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| Subject: | Wing skin tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
DUCT TAPE !!! now why the hell didn't I think of that on my 1X2's The
shifting board act was akin to an episode of the keystone cops!!!
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <bill@howerton.com>
I used three
1X2's. That way, I was able to duct-tape them to the skin so they
wouldn't shift while the straps were tightened.
Bill
--
1/27/2006
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| Subject: | Re: Wing skin tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
The hold-down doesn't "Bring the skin into alignment". Correct shim height,
making sure the shims can't move, and making sure you have the print correct
part in the print correct location does.
I found that the 1x3s I scavenged from the packing crate to be perfectly
suitable. Just make sure there are no exposed staples.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wing skin tension
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> It certainly does not have to be completely flat but not horribly
> twisted either....a standard #2 should be fine.
>
> If your worried about it u could rip some strips of ply and glue them
> together to make 1.5 thick but personally I think this is overkill.
>
> Frank
> 601 HDS 390 hours
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wes or
> Lurlene Bressler
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:16 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Wing skin tension
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wes or Lurlene Bressler"
> --> <bressler@wyoming.com>
>
> Thread Users:
> We are building a 601XL from a kit and are about to turn the first wing.
> The Photo Guide indicates that after installation of the nose ribs and
> leading edge skin, the wing is again turned and tension straps are used
> for making the final curvature. The instructions indicate that a 2x4
> should be used to bring the skin into alignment. Our concern is that
> local lumber yards only handle grade 2 "construction grade" pine that
> will have warps and twists in a 12' length. How important is it that the
> 2x4 be straight and flat? Is there another method that others have used
> for load distribution?
>
> Wes & Lurlene Bressler
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing skin tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Shims? You lost me there. I must have missed
something because I didn't use any shims.
--- "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J.
> Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
>
> The hold-down doesn't "Bring the skin into
> alignment". Correct shim height,
> making sure the shims can't move, and making sure
> you have the print correct
> part in the print correct location does.
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| Subject: | The Building has begun |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Hey Builders,
On January 15, 2006 I started cutting metal. Up till then it has been Planning,
Preparing the garage and making tools (forms). This is so much fun I can't
keep up with the logs.
I have taken many pictures and hope to put together a better website. If you want
to see a little of the start take a look at the Kitlog site of mine.
http://www.kitlog.com/users/index.php?user=rlendon&project=113
Thanks for all the encouragement and sharing. I hope to follow your example.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7465#7465
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| Subject: | Re: N701ZX 1st flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Chuck
I took off the bungee from the elevator cable and tweaked my right flaperon
two threads and it flys straight. I had installed nylon tubing over my elevator
cables during construction so the cable rubbing should be a non issue.
Thanks for your input.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX 2.7 hrs
In a message dated 1/26/2006 2:39:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
NYTerminat@aol.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Chuck
Thanks, I will look into that.
Bob Spudis
Do not archive
In a message dated 1/20/2006 11:49:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
cfd@thegateway.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
I too initially had a "heavy" left wing. My heavy wing is due to the down
elevator cable being pulled to the side by a spring to avoid rubbing the up
cable. The spring puts a slight torque on the stick causing the left wing
to act heavy. Once I put the tab on the right flaperon which cancels most
of the roll and my vernier adjustment (adjustable spring tension on the
aileron push rod) all is fine. I have flown with various tank loadings and
passengers, there is very little roll influence from the loadings.
Chuck D.
N701TX
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| Subject: | Re: The Building has begun |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Ron
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
Welcome to the metal airplane business. I did find it interesting that you signed
off as a Zodiac XL, "Scrap"builder. I have a small pile of "scrap" also, and
I built my airplane from
a kit. Hate to imagine how many times some parts would have been made if building
from scratch. My hat is off to you guys that can go that route.
Mike Sinclair N701TD If the weather holds as it has around here this winter, should
be ready to start the engine, checking systems, and then flight testing
in the next couple of
weeks. Wet sanding the cowling today wearing shorts and sandals. I don't ever remember
a winter this mild in Kansas. Usually have to go quite a ways farther
south to get these
temperatures.
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| Subject: | Re: The Building has begun |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
Amen brother! I've ruined bunches of pre-formed parts drilling in the wrong
place, or cutting the wrong angle. I can't imagine how much scrap I'd have
if I was doing it all from scratch.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Sinclair" <mike.sinclair@ATT.NET>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: The Building has begun
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
>
> Ron
>
>> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
>> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
>
> Welcome to the metal airplane business. I did find it interesting that you
> signed off as a Zodiac XL, "Scrap"builder. I have a small pile of "scrap"
> also, and I built my airplane from
> a kit. Hate to imagine how many times some parts would have been made if
> building from scratch. My hat is off to you guys that can go that route.
>
> Mike Sinclair N701TD If the weather holds as it has around here this
> winter, should be ready to start the engine, checking systems, and then
> flight testing in the next couple of
> weeks. Wet sanding the cowling today wearing shorts and sandals. I don't
> ever remember a winter this mild in Kansas. Usually have to go quite a
> ways farther south to get these
> temperatures.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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