Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:36 AM - Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 03:54 AM - Re: XL flap speed (David X)
3. 03:54 AM - Re: Rotax 912 Engine List (David X)
4. 05:30 AM - Re: Batteries (N5SL)
5. 06:02 AM - Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate (ROBERT SCEPPA)
6. 06:56 AM - Re: Batteries (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 07:02 AM - Re: Batteries (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Batteries ()
9. 10:52 AM - Looking for a 601 (Joe Scheibinger)
10. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: Batteries (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
11. 11:18 AM - Re: Looking for a 601 (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
12. 11:29 AM - Re: Looking for a 601 (jim)
13. 12:09 PM - Re: Looking for a 601 (Royer, Michel)
14. 01:22 PM - Batteries.... (Beckman, Rick)
15. 02:31 PM - wing kit? (Stephen R. Look)
16. 02:58 PM - Re: Looking for a 601 (george may)
17. 03:18 PM - Re: wing kit? (Larry McFarland)
18. 03:36 PM - Re: wing kit? (Zodie Rocket)
19. 04:05 PM - Re: wing kit? (Leo Gates)
20. 05:23 PM - Re: wing kit? (Dave Austin)
21. 06:53 PM - ZAC Pneumatic Riveter - Questions (Dave VanLanen)
22. 07:10 PM - Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate (Keith Norton)
23. 07:11 PM - Official Zenith-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Matt Dralle)
24. 07:24 PM - Re: Looking for a 601 (Jim Pellien)
25. 08:14 PM - Re: ZAC Pneumatic Riveter - Questions (Rory Davis)
26. 08:14 PM - Re: ZAC Pneumatic Riveter - Questions (David Plozay)
27. 08:23 PM - Re: wing kit? (Paul Mulwitz)
28. 08:33 PM - Re: Discolored fuel (David X)
29. 08:41 PM - Re: wing kit? (David X)
30. 09:57 PM - Re: Weld Repair to steel tube frame... (E&M Bima)
31. 10:16 PM - Re: ZAC Pneumatic Riveter - Questions ()
32. 11:00 PM - Re: wing kit?. (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Zenith-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result
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| Subject: | Re: XL flap speed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David X" <dxj@comcast.net>
30 degrees, 6 seconds
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8926#8926
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Engine List |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David X" <dxj@comcast.net>
I was sceptical when I first flew a Rotax, but after about 100 hours, I love the engine. It's very light, lot's of torque, quiet and smooth. There's a new list here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=62
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8928#8928
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Rick:
Odyssey PC680 for me.
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/10_15_05_Battery_Box3.JPG
If you buy the "PC680-MJ" you get a metal jacket that
can be removed and lightened and used as a
battery-box.
Specs are:
* 680 cranking amps for 5 seconds
* 595 cranking amps for 10 seconds
* 525 cranking amps for 20 seconds
* 17 amp hours
* Short circuit current over 1800A
* 25 minute reserve capacity with 25amp load
* Female brass terminal w/M6 SS bolt
* Length 7 1/16"
* Width 2 15/16"
* Height 6 9/16"
* Weighs less than 14.5 lbs
I like it because it's skinney so it fits against the
firewall nicely.
More details:
* 2 year full warranty
* Rugged Drycell sealed design
* Military grade
* Vibration resistant
* 60% more starting power
* Deep discharge reserve power
* 2 year storage life
* 8-12 year design life
* Can be mounted flat or upright
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
--- "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com> wrote:
> Hi,All
> Would some of you Zodie XL fliers mind telling me
> which starter battery you are using?
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> I am also in a group building a Glastar and we had
> just purchsed a gallon of etch and Alodine,
> purchased locally and it cost double the price. We
> paid $40 a gallon for each. Guess we should have
> ordered it from AC Spruce. thanks Lynn
--- lynn dingfelder <ding@tbscc.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder"
> <ding@tbscc.com>
>
> Dan,
> I recently researched the market for a
> source for these products,
> and the winning vendor was Aircraft Spruce. They
> didn't charge $20 per jug
> hazardous shipping, as some others wanted to, but
> $20 per order. Huge
> difference. I wasn't able to find a cheaper source.
>
> Lynn
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> Corry, PA
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> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I have an HDS and I use the helious 17AH model...For the backup I use
the 3Ah...Cheap sealed lead acid technology. I usually change them every
two years or so.
My starter battery is behind the seat with a #6 cable to start the
Subaru engine. Never had a problem cranking even I cold weather.
Frank
HDS 380 hours
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beckman,
Rick
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:52 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Batteries
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick"
--> <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
Hi,All
Would some of you Zodie XL fliers mind telling me which
starter battery you are using? I cannot recall a solid answer on this.
I'll take the answers and compare batteries to my needs (and size! ).
Thanks ahead of time!!
Rick
Midwest Mudworks
729 MSL and sinking
Zodie XL 52EB (res.)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Of course each to his own and if you like this battery that's just
peachy...BUT....I think its overkill for a zodiac unless maybe you are
running a high compression big bore Lycoming or something.
I am using the Odyssey in a fuel injected IO360...I.e it's a huge motor
that I know takes a lot of cranking. The Helious batteries are less than
half the cost and about the same size or smaller as far as I rememeber.
Check out www.batteries.com
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Batteries
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Rick:
Odyssey PC680 for me.
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/10_15_05_Battery_Box3.JPG
If you buy the "PC680-MJ" you get a metal jacket that can be removed and
lightened and used as a battery-box.
Specs are:
* 680 cranking amps for 5 seconds
* 595 cranking amps for 10 seconds
* 525 cranking amps for 20 seconds
* 17 amp hours
* Short circuit current over 1800A
* 25 minute reserve capacity with 25amp load
* Female brass terminal w/M6 SS bolt
* Length 7 1/16"
* Width 2 15/16"
* Height 6 9/16"
* Weighs less than 14.5 lbs
I like it because it's skinney so it fits against the firewall nicely.
More details:
* 2 year full warranty
* Rugged Drycell sealed design
* Military grade
* Vibration resistant
* 60% more starting power
* Deep discharge reserve power
* 2 year storage life
* 8-12 year design life
* Can be mounted flat or upright
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
--- "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com> wrote:
> Hi,All
> Would some of you Zodie XL fliers mind telling me which
starter
> battery you are using?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Those who use the Jabiru 3300 have to spin the engine @ 300 rpm or so to get ignition
on start up. If it is cold and the battery has been heavily used (landing
lights, flap motor etc.) on the last landing and the carb bowl is dry, you
are likely to need the overkill of the battery. This wisdom has been repeated
many times on this list and others and it comes from those who have applicable
experience.
Ed
>
> From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Batteries
BUT....I think its overkill for a zodiac unless maybe you are
> running a high compression big bore Lycoming or something.
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| Subject: | Looking for a 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
Friends,
If there is anyone that would like to sell their 601XL or HD project, please
call me on the toll free number below. I also have a friend in the Indiana
area that is looking for a 701 kit for sale. Thanks.
800-416-8360 ext. 217 after 11:00 AM Central Time
920-237-1450 after 6:00 PM Central Time
Al
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
The Subaru with TP45 igntions has to be spun pretty quickly to start too
but works quite well on the cheaper battery. As I do not rely on a
mechanical fuel pump (twin) electric I probably do not have to spin is
for so long as the Jab engine however.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dredmoody@cox.net
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Zenith-List: Batteries
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Those who use the Jabiru 3300 have to spin the engine @ 300 rpm or so to
get ignition on start up. If it is cold and the battery has been heavily
used (landing lights, flap motor etc.) on the last landing and the carb
bowl is dry, you are likely to need the overkill of the battery. This
wisdom has been repeated many times on this list and others and it comes
from those who have applicable experience.
Ed
>
> From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > Subject: RE: Zenith-List:
> Batteries
BUT....I think its overkill for a zodiac unless maybe you are
> running a high compression big bore Lycoming or something.
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| Subject: | Looking for a 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I got a flying HDS for sale...in the next couple of months
Frank
HDS well sorted Stratus 380 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Scheibinger
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:43 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Looking for a 601
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
Friends,
If there is anyone that would like to sell their 601XL or HD project,
please call me on the toll free number below. I also have a friend in
the Indiana area that is looking for a 701 kit for sale. Thanks.
800-416-8360 ext. 217 after 11:00 AM Central Time 920-237-1450 after
6:00 PM Central Time
Al
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
Joe,
I have a used factory-built 601XL ELSA available for sale with less than 180 hours.
Only $69K with radios, transponder, leather, wing lockers and other extras.
A savings of $14K over a new ELSA. Also this particular ELSA can be used
for commercial flight training.
www.MASPL.com for more info.
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
jim@sportsplanes.com
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
>
>Friends,
>
>If there is anyone that would like to sell their 601XL or HD project, please
>call me on the toll free number below. I also have a friend in the Indiana
>area that is looking for a 701 kit for sale. Thanks.
>
>800-416-8360 ext. 217 after 11:00 AM Central Time
>920-237-1450 after 6:00 PM Central Time
>
>Al
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Sent via the WebMail system at mail.pellien.com
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| Subject: | Looking for a 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Royer, Michel" <RoyerM@tc.gc.ca>
Joe....I still have the 601Hds but never got a definite answer
from you last time so I thought that you had abandonned the idea..
> Michel Royer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Joe
Scheibinger
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Looking for a 601
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
Friends,
If there is anyone that would like to sell their 601XL or HD project, please
call me on the toll free number below. I also have a friend in the Indiana
area that is looking for a 701 kit for sale. Thanks.
800-416-8360 ext. 217 after 11:00 AM Central Time
920-237-1450 after 6:00 PM Central Time
Al
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
=09
I just want say a quick " Thank You! " to all those that responded to my battery
question on and off list!! You helped this old Stuck In The Mud a LOT!!
Thanks, again! Rick
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stephen R. Look" <slook@mchsi.com>
Howdy All,
I'm nearing the end of my tail kit and thinking about ordering my
wings. I'm looking for opinions about getting the aileron trim tab
option. How worthwhile is this? I don't know that I've even flown
anything with aileron trim.... It wouldn't hurt to save that money
for something else.
Steve
Steve Look
Monticello, IL
601XL - tail kit
"Dogs have owners, Cats have staff"
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Jim--
Does this mean no more training in the 601?
George May
601XL 912s
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>From: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Looking for a 601
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:27:41 -0500
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
>
>Joe,
>
>I have a used factory-built 601XL ELSA available for sale with less than
>180 hours. Only $69K with radios, transponder, leather, wing lockers and
>other extras. A savings of $14K over a new ELSA. Also this particular
>ELSA can be used for commercial flight training.
>
>www.MASPL.com for more info.
>
>Jim Pellien
>Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
>www.MASPL.com
>703-313-4818
>jim@sportsplanes.com
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:43:02 -0600
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
> >
> >Friends,
> >
> >If there is anyone that would like to sell their 601XL or HD project,
>please
> >call me on the toll free number below. I also have a friend in the
>Indiana
> >area that is looking for a 701 kit for sale. Thanks.
> >
> >800-416-8360 ext. 217 after 11:00 AM Central Time
> >920-237-1450 after 6:00 PM Central Time
> >
> >Al
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>Sent via the WebMail system at mail.pellien.com
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>
On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Steven,
The trim tab seems a bit much initially, but when you fly a plane that
has a shorter span
and loading becomes one sided or your trim isn't exactly where it should
be to begin with, the tab
could be a worth while item. My HDS with 23-foot span is very
responsive to inputs and loading
and the tab does take the pressure off when I'm transferring fuel or
carrying someone that's 225.
I think you'll find the XL just as sensitive and is a better value with
the tab when you decide to sell.
Also there's the influx of cheaper autopilot controls that would be
helped by having electric trim tabs.
Much easier to install before than later.
I'd recommend you go for it.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Stephen R. Look wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stephen R. Look" <slook@mchsi.com>
>
>Howdy All,
>
>I'm nearing the end of my tail kit and thinking about ordering my
>wings. I'm looking for opinions about getting the aileron trim tab
>option. How worthwhile is this? I don't know that I've even flown
>anything with aileron trim.... It wouldn't hurt to save that money
>for something else.
>
>Steve
>
>
>Steve Look
>Monticello, IL
>601XL - tail kit
>"Dogs have owners, Cats have staff"
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Keep the aileron trim, it's the wing lockers that would be the optional
choice in my opinion. But I'm rather heavy set and running the 4 gas
tanks so I couldn't imagine not having the aileron trim.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen R.
Look
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:09 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: wing kit?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stephen R. Look" <slook@mchsi.com>
Howdy All,
I'm nearing the end of my tail kit and thinking about ordering my
wings. I'm looking for opinions about getting the aileron trim tab
option. How worthwhile is this? I don't know that I've even flown
anything with aileron trim.... It wouldn't hurt to save that money
for something else.
Steve
Steve Look
Monticello, IL
601XL - tail kit
"Dogs have owners, Cats have staff"
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
Amen to Larry's comments. I couldn't say it better.
Leo Gates
N601Z
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From: Larry McFarland
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: wing kit?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Steven,
The trim tab seems a bit much initially, but when you fly a plane that
has a shorter span
and loading becomes one sided or your trim isn't exactly where it should
be to begin with, the tab
could be a worth while item. My HDS with 23-foot span is very
responsive to inputs and loading
and the tab does take the pressure off when I'm transferring fuel or
carrying someone that's 225.
I think you'll find the XL just as sensitive and is a better value with
the tab when you decide to sell.
Also there's the influx of cheaper autopilot controls that would be
helped by having electric trim tabs.
Much easier to install before than later.
I'd recommend you go for it.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Stephen R. Look wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stephen R. Look" <slook@mchsi.com>
>
>Howdy All,
>
>I'm nearing the end of my tail kit and thinking about ordering my
>wings. I'm looking for opinions about getting the aileron trim tab
>option. How worthwhile is this? I don't know that I've even flown
>anything with aileron trim.... It wouldn't hurt to save that money
>for something else.
>
>Steve
>
>
>Steve Look
>Monticello, IL
>601XL - tail kit
>"Dogs have owners, Cats have staff"
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Buy the aileron trim. You will not regret it.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | ZAC Pneumatic Riveter - Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
I purchased the ZAC pneumatic riveter with my kit, and I am setting it up
for use. It did not come with much for instructions, so I have these
questions:
1. The instructions suggest that I not install a hose coupler on the
riveter itself (i.e. into the regulator supplied with the riveter), due to
adding bulk, putting an unnecessary strain on the inlet threads, etc.
Instead, they suggest using a leader (whip) hose. Is this necessary? I
thought the riveter we used at the workshop had a coupling directly on the
riveter regulator.
2. Next to the air inlet, it says "Oil" with an arrow pointing to the
inlet. No other instructions. What type of oil do I use? How much? How
frequently?
3. If I use a leader hose, can I oil the tool through the end of the
hose? If not, I'd have to take the hose off each time. If I oil through
the hose end, will it even get to the tool, or will it be absorbed into the
hose?
4. The instructions say I need a compressor with at least 1 HP and 12
gallon capacity. I have a 4 HP compressor with an 11 gallon capacity,
developing 7.6 CFI at 40 PSI and 5.1 CFI at 90 PSI. Is this big enough?
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
Madison, WI
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Norton <keithnorton@mac.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Morehouse <messydeer@yahoo.com>
>Any residual left I'd take off with a Blendex drum and my angle grinder.
Be very careful using any power tools to remove corrosion. It is very easy to
remove too much material. The FAA allows 10% on certified aircraft but I'm not
sure what ZAC allows. Most of the sheetmetal on these planes is very thin in
the first place.
Another problem with using power tools this way is the possibility of heating the
metal and changing its strength.
Good luck with it.
Keith Norton A&P
Zenith 701 - Tail completed
Cessna 170A - Major sheetmetal project due to corrosion
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| Subject: | Looking for a 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
George, not sure what you are asking???? The used ELSA that I am selling
can be used for training until 2010.
My SLSA 601XL is also being used weekly in our 1-week flight school.
Does this answer your question?
Jim
Jim Pellien
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The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Looking for a 601
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Jim--
Does this mean no more training in the 601?
George May
601XL 912s
do not archive
>From: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Looking for a 601
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:27:41 -0500
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>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
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>Joe,
>
>I have a used factory-built 601XL ELSA available for sale with less than
>180 hours. Only $69K with radios, transponder, leather, wing lockers and
>other extras. A savings of $14K over a new ELSA. Also this particular
>ELSA can be used for commercial flight training.
>
>www.MASPL.com for more info.
>
>Jim Pellien
>Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
>www.MASPL.com
>703-313-4818
>jim@sportsplanes.com
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>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:43:02 -0600
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
> >
> >Friends,
> >
> >If there is anyone that would like to sell their 601XL or HD project,
>please
> >call me on the toll free number below. I also have a friend in the
>Indiana
> >area that is looking for a 701 kit for sale. Thanks.
> >
> >800-416-8360 ext. 217 after 11:00 AM Central Time
> >920-237-1450 after 6:00 PM Central Time
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> >Al
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| Subject: | Re: ZAC Pneumatic Riveter - Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rory Davis <n7cr@bellsouth.net>
Dave VanLanen said the following on 2/2/2006 8:48 PM:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
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> I purchased the ZAC pneumatic riveter with my kit, and I am setting it up
> for use. It did not come with much for instructions, so I have these
> questions:
> 1. The instructions suggest that I not install a hose coupler on the
> riveter itself (i.e. into the regulator supplied with the riveter), due to
> adding bulk, putting an unnecessary strain on the inlet threads, etc.
> Instead, they suggest using a leader (whip) hose. Is this necessary? I
> thought the riveter we used at the workshop had a coupling directly on the
> riveter regulator.
Hose coupler works for me. For the amount of actual time spent with the riveter
I don't think having one on is a problem.
2. Next to the air inlet, it says "Oil" with an arrow pointing to the
> inlet. No other instructions. What type of oil do I use? How much? How
> frequently?
My tech advisor says to use "3 in 1" oil. Couldn't find it at the local Home
Despot, but they had a 4 oz container of "Pneumatic tool oil" for a couple of
bucks that works fine. Just squirt a couple of drops in the air inlet when
you're done for the day and squeeze the trigger a couple of times to get the oil
in there. You'll know when you use too much when it sprays oil into the mandrel
reservoir cup.
> 3. If I use a leader hose, can I oil the tool through the end of the
> hose? If not, I'd have to take the hose off each time. If I oil through
> the hose end, will it even get to the tool, or will it be absorbed into the
> hose?
Just don't oil the hose you'll be using with your paint spray gun! ;)
> 4. The instructions say I need a compressor with at least 1 HP and 12
> gallon capacity. I have a 4 HP compressor with an 11 gallon capacity,
> developing 7.6 CFI at 40 PSI and 5.1 CFI at 90 PSI. Is this big enough?
Yup. Turn your regulator down to where it reads around 40 psi when you pull the
trigger on the riveter. More than that will make the tool bounce around too
much and anything less than 40 (with the small adjustment regulator valve at the
tool) will often not completely pull the rivet.
Rory
CH-701 empennage finishing tonight
Lacombe, LA
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| Subject: | Re: ZAC Pneumatic Riveter - Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Plozay" <dplozay@cox.net>
Dave,
I also have the pneumatic riveter from Zenith. Here's my experience with the
questions you asked:
1. I installed a swivel-coupler on the end of my air hose and a
corresponding (male) coupler on the riveter. That way I can benefit from the
swivel with whatever I have attached to the air line (drill, die grinder,
etc).
2. I use an in-line oiler set to about 2 drops per minute (when air is
flowing). The oiler adds oil to the air that goes to the tool (riveter).
Otherwise one or two drops of oil per session would suffice. Buy air-tool
oil, many brand names exist; available in the air-tool aisle at Home Depot,
etc.
3. If you don't want to use an in-line oiler, definitely use the swivel
coupler (with quick connect fitting). That way disconnecting the air line to
oil is easy and fast.
4. Your compressor will work fine for riveting. I set mine at 46 PSI.
You'll definitely need a bigger compressor if you want to run an air drill
or grinder.
Also, my riveter had a disconcerting tendency for strong kick-back for the
first 200 rivets or so (even after installing the pressure regulator on the
riveter).
I hope this helps,
David Plozay
CH701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:48 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: ZAC Pneumatic Riveter - Questions
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
> <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I purchased the ZAC pneumatic riveter with my kit, and I am setting it up
> for use. It did not come with much for instructions, so I have these
> questions:
> 1. The instructions suggest that I not install a hose coupler on the
> riveter itself (i.e. into the regulator supplied with the riveter), due to
> adding bulk, putting an unnecessary strain on the inlet threads, etc.
> Instead, they suggest using a leader (whip) hose. Is this necessary? I
> thought the riveter we used at the workshop had a coupling directly on the
> riveter regulator.
> 2. Next to the air inlet, it says "Oil" with an arrow pointing to the
> inlet. No other instructions. What type of oil do I use? How much? How
> frequently?
> 3. If I use a leader hose, can I oil the tool through the end of the
> hose? If not, I'd have to take the hose off each time. If I oil through
> the hose end, will it even get to the tool, or will it be absorbed into
> the
> hose?
> 4. The instructions say I need a compressor with at least 1 HP and 12
> gallon capacity. I have a 4 HP compressor with an 11 gallon capacity,
> developing 7.6 CFI at 40 PSI and 5.1 CFI at 90 PSI. Is this big enough?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Van Lanen
> Madison, WI
> 601XL
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I opted for the aileron trim. I want to be able to fly hands-off
both with and without a passenger in the other seat. I suspect the
aileron trim is the only way (short of an autopilot) to do this.
Paul
XL wings
At 02:09 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:
>I'm nearing the end of my tail kit and thinking about ordering my
>wings. I'm looking for opinions about getting the aileron trim tab
>option. How worthwhile is this? I don't know that I've even flown
>anything with aileron trim.... It wouldn't hurt to save that money
>for something else.
>
>Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Discolored fuel |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David X" <dxj@comcast.net>
The CH2000 has the same problem. The factory uses auto brake lines instead of aircraft
quality lines. As a consequence, the lines must be replaced every 10 years.
At first, I thought it was the gascolator, but even after I drain all the brown
gas out, it comes back if I switch the fuel selector and drain some more. It
seems to happen only when the plane sits for a week or more.
The next time I had brown gas, I immediately cyphoned some from the fuel tank.
It was blue, like it was supposed to be (AVGAS). This makes it pretty clear to
me that the crud is coming from the lines.
I don't know if Zenith is using the same lines in the CH601 kits that they are
using in the CH2000 ... but if I had to bet, I'd bet yes.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David X" <dxj@comcast.net>
It's very helpfull for two finger flying on a cross country. It helps reduce pilot
fatigue and makes it easier to stay on course. I usually end up trimming it
nearly all the way up until I burn off the left tank first ... if I'm the only
one on board (the trim is on the left on my plane). After losing 60 or 80 pounds
of fuel, I can reduce the trim (and drag).
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| Subject: | RE: Weld Repair to steel tube frame... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "E&M Bima" <embima@mts.net>
Wow, lots of "opinions out there".
Let me answer this consisely and accurately.
"AC 43.13-1B Part IV"
Martin Bima
701STOL-Vair
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| Subject: | Re: ZAC Pneumatic Riveter - Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
Dave, just my opinion, but: a: connect it however you want. It's a heavy, tough
tool and will work just fine no matter what the plumbing. b: Shoot some WD-40
into the hose, or gun. It'll run through the system in about two trigger squeezes.
c: Try pulling some A-5 rivets. If it works, it works. d: Use it to hold
down your plans on windy days, and go to Harbor Freight for one of their $35
specials. It's lighter, better balanced, and more comfortable to the hand.
Just my opinion.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
Attaching the tailfeathers
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dave VanLanen<mailto:davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:48 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: ZAC Pneumatic Riveter - Questions
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net<mailto:davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>>
I purchased the ZAC pneumatic riveter with my kit, and I am setting it up
for use. It did not come with much for instructions, so I have these
questions:
1. The instructions suggest that I not install a hose coupler on the
riveter itself (i.e. into the regulator supplied with the riveter), due to
adding bulk, putting an unnecessary strain on the inlet threads, etc.
Instead, they suggest using a leader (whip) hose. Is this necessary? I
thought the riveter we used at the workshop had a coupling directly on the
riveter regulator.
2. Next to the air inlet, it says "Oil" with an arrow pointing to the
inlet. No other instructions. What type of oil do I use? How much? How
frequently?
3. If I use a leader hose, can I oil the tool through the end of the
hose? If not, I'd have to take the hose off each time. If I oil through
the hose end, will it even get to the tool, or will it be absorbed into the
hose?
4. The instructions say I need a compressor with at least 1 HP and 12
gallon capacity. I have a 4 HP compressor with an 11 gallon capacity,
developing 7.6 CFI at 40 PSI and 5.1 CFI at 90 PSI. Is this big enough?
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
Madison, WI
601XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
A wing leveler autopilot like the Navaid Devices will do the same, plus extras
when connected to the handheld GPS..
http://www.navaid-devices.com/
I have one in our 701,
Saludos
Gary Gower.
"Stephen R. Look" <slook@mchsi.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stephen R. Look"
Howdy All,
I'm nearing the end of my tail kit and thinking about ordering my
wings. I'm looking for opinions about getting the aileron trim tab
option. How worthwhile is this? I don't know that I've even flown
anything with aileron trim.... It wouldn't hurt to save that money
for something else.
Steve
Steve Look
Monticello, IL
601XL - tail kit
"Dogs have owners, Cats have staff"
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