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1. 05:35 AM - Re: 601 Canopy Latches (Trevor Page)
2. 06:11 AM - Re: Number of Propeller Blades. (David X)
3. 06:42 AM - Re: Number of Propeller Blades. (Larry)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Number of Propeller Blades. (Larry)
5. 07:16 AM - Re: 601 Canopy Latches (Larry McFarland)
6. 08:07 AM - cowl (Bill Flick)
7. 08:24 AM - Re: 601 Canopy Latches and Towbar attachment (N5SL)
8. 08:39 AM - Re: cowl (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 08:46 AM - Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. (R.P.)
10. 08:54 AM - Re: cowl (Larry McFarland)
11. 10:41 AM - Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate (Dan Morehouse)
12. 11:28 AM - RE : Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate - scotchbrite (Carlos F Discher-Sa)
13. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate (Paul Moore)
14. 12:15 PM - Re: cowl (japhillipsga@aol.com)
15. 12:20 PM - Re: 601 Canopy Latches and Towbar attachment (japhillipsga@aol.com)
16. 01:06 PM - Re: wing kit? (Stephen R. Look)
17. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate - scotchbrite (Thilo Kind)
18. 01:45 PM - 601XL - aux wing fuel pump (Martin Pohl)
19. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate - scotchbrite (B Johnson)
20. 03:17 PM - green scotchbrite (Carlos Sa)
21. 04:35 PM - Re: green scotchbrite (Mike Sinclair)
22. 04:59 PM - Re: green scotchbrite (Jeff Davidson)
23. 05:43 PM - Re: green scotchbrite (Ron Lendon)
24. 05:56 PM - speaking of latches (mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net)
25. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: green scotchbrite (Bryan Martin)
26. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: green scotchbrite (Bill Cardell)
27. 07:01 PM - Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. (Rory Davis)
28. 07:14 PM - 601 XL Rudder (Dave VanLanen)
29. 08:15 PM - Re: 601 XL Rudder (Brad Cohen)
30. 09:35 PM - Need scrap 0.125" 6061-T6 (Rory Davis)
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Canopy Latches |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Scott, those can be sourced from Spaenaur in Kitchener Ontario (it's
where I got mine after looking all over the place including McMaster)
http://www.spaenaur.com/contact.asp
The part number is 099-324 and 099-325 (right and left sides)
Catalog page is here : http://www.spaenaur.com/view_pdf.asp?Page=L70
If I remember correctly I cut off the latch and welded a new once in
the correct position
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:23 PM, N5SL wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> 601 Plans-builders:
>
> I have been unable to find a source for the canopy
> latches for my 601 canopy frame.
>
> If anybody has a source and part number I'd really
> appreciate it.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Number of Propeller Blades. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David X" <dxj@comcast.net>
Beautiful bird, Larry! Where is the air inlet for the air cooled engine? Looks
like the inlets are filled with landing lights.
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do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10339#10339
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| Subject: | Re: Number of Propeller Blades. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
I started off with 1/4" opening around the landing lites, plan to open them
as needed, if needed. Brett tells me he had a hard time keeping his engine
warn enough. I may also open my hog nose if needed. Thanks for asking,
Larry, www.skyhawg.com.
P.S. Cowling wasn't on when it ran hot, plus I had a high speed fan blowing
40 degree air on it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Number of Propeller Blades.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello Larry,
>
> I went to your page... But couldnt find where are the air inlets in the
> cowling, to cool your engine...
> Probably is the angle of the front photo.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
>
> NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>
> Larry have you been up yet? Wondering how those wings and engine perform.
> Was
> wondering how much better the spped was with those wings.
>
> Bob Spudis
> N701ZX/912S 15hrs
>
>
> In a message dated 2/4/2006 6:58:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> lrm01@centurytel.net writes:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry"
>
> One blade would be just a little unbalanced, wouldn't it? Two might be
> better.
> Just kidding, I know what you meant.
> Do Not Archive
> Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Number of Propeller Blades. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
Hopefully Raymond Miller, the new owner, will be in production this summer.
Watch my site, as soon as he gets it going, I will post it. Plus I will be
building his new site. Larry, www.skyhawg.com.
----- Original Message -----
From: <NYTerminat@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Number of Propeller Blades.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>
> Larry,
> Sorry to hear about your engine woes. At least they are willing to replace
> it
> and start again. I have been seriously thinking about the Pegasus wing now
> that I am flying my 701 with the Zenith wing. I am used to flying a Piper
> Arrow
> 4 and I am not used to these slow speeds. Not to say that I can't get used
> to
> it but I was wondering if there is anyone else out there flying with the
> Pegasus wing and how much different the performance is. Also I noticed
> that you
> said they are not producing the wing right now. Do you know the reason why
> and if
> they will start up again? I won't make it to Sun n Fun this year, leaving
> for
> Ghana for 9 weeks.
>
> Bob Spudis
> N701ZX
> do not archive
> In a message dated 2/5/2006 10:53:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> lrm01@centurytel.net writes:
> Man I tell you I am snake bit. I got a lemon with my hog engine, it's
> going
> back to the factory. The engine is going to be replaced, not fixed. Ran
> fine until I put a prop on it. Then it started running really bad, low
> oil
> pressure, started running hot, dieseled, blowing soot, running rich and so
> on. Acted like the timing jumped, but I think the oil pressure was so low
> it wouldn't keep the lifters pumped up. I think someone at the "American"
> factory left out the "O" ring in the oil pump. It never had good oil
> pressure from the get-go. According to the service manual it should have
> between 30 and 38 psi, it never had over 22 psi at high RPM and idles at 3
> psi. The oil in the oil tank will drain into the crankcase in 24 hours.
> I
> know some oil will pass thru the pump over a period of time, that is
> normal,
> but it's about a tea cup in 6 months. Hog-Air is really being good
> helping
> me with this, certainly isn't their fault. Brett is doing everything he
> can
> to make it right. Just my luck to get one put together by a drunk with a
> hangover on Monday morning or someone wanting to get drunk on a Friday
> afternoon.
>
> This has really screwed up my plans to fly it to Sun N' Fun. By the time
> I
> get my new engine, get the plane inspected and fly the 40 off, Sun N' Fun
> will be over. So I guess me and my Dodge will go. See you guys there.
>
> Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Canopy Latches |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
*Scott,
I purchased my latches from Zenith, but they can be possibly purchased
from the company below.
Also, if you're going to use the same latches, welded to the frame, you
want to be cautious about welding in proximity to springs in the mechanism.
I welded short segments and used a hose to dampen and protect the springs.
SPAE-NAUR company, Toronto. They can be purchased from the Windsor
>> >Factory Supply 519-966-2202. The part numbers are 099-031 for the left
>hand
>> >one and 099-030 for the right hand one. They cost $36.40 Canadian each.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
*
N5SL wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
>601 Plans-builders:
>
>I have been unable to find a source for the canopy
>latches for my 601 canopy frame.
>
>If anybody has a source and part number I'd really
>appreciate it.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Scott Laughlin
>www.cooknwithgas.com
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Flick" <rflick@chilitech.net>
anyone have a cowl for my 601 hds with a subaru? thanks ralph
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Canopy Latches and Towbar attachment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Larry, Al, Trevor, Brandon, Neil and others:
Thanks for all the replies on and off-list about the
latches. I ordered them directly from Spaenaur and it
was $50 for both sides and a few extra strikers ($50US
was their minimum order). ZAC wants $370 for the pair
of assemblies.
Also, thanks for the lively discussion last week (or
the week before) on towbar attachments. I made one
last weekend with my little mill/lathe. It was a fun
project and I think it will work well. It gave me
something to do while my crankshaft is away.
Here's a photo:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/2_4_06_Towbar.JPG
Happy Building,
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
www.cooknwithgas.com
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> *Scott,
>>
> SPAE-NAUR company, Toronto. They can be purchased
> from the Windsor
> >> >Factory Supply 519-966-2202. The part numbers
> are 099-031 for the left
> >hand
> >> >one and 099-030 for the right hand one. They
> cost $36.40 Canadian each.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS
> *
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I believe it's the same cowl as for the Rotax with a couple of bumps for
the exhaust pipe elbows.
If you have the satndard cowl you should be able to make it fit
Mine fitted very poorly incidently, but no worse than anyone elses.
Frank.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:00 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: cowl
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Flick" <rflick@chilitech.net>
anyone have a cowl for my 601 hds with a subaru? thanks ralph
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "R.P." <zodie@adelphia.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rory Davis" <n7cr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rory Davis <n7cr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Reference the FAA alert:
> <http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/safety/alerts/aviation_maintenance/media/2005/2005_12_Alert.pdf>
>
> I finished assembling my 701's elevator & stabilizer tonight and noticed
> something I hadn't before while the brackets were clecoed.
>
> If you look at the photos on pages 13 and 14, notice the wear on the
> gusset
> edge. This is caused when the elevator is at full up position and 7H5-3
> horn
> angle bangs against the gusset. I guess it's intended as an elevator stop?
>
I'm not sure about the 701's elevator, but the elevator stop on my 601 is
attached to the rudder fairing and is set for full deflection of the
elevator without allowing the horn and gusset to ever contact each other.
Is the 701 different?
Rick Pitcher
N601ZR
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Ralph,
There are two or more types of cowl that fit Subaru depending on the
engine supplier/redrive
etc. NSI has one as does Zenith for the Stratus, but they're a bit
different in the way they're
fitted out. Which do you have?
Larry McFarland
do not archive
Bill Flick wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Flick" <rflick@chilitech.net>
>
>anyone have a cowl for my 601 hds with a subaru? thanks ralph
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Morehouse <messydeer@yahoo.com>
About my corrosion problem...
I spoke with Sheldon Dean of Dean Corrosion Technology. He is also the editor
of the Journal of ASTM International. Heres what the Journal says about him:
Leading the Editorial process of the Journal is Sheldon W. Dean, Jr., Sc.D.,
President of Dean Corrosion Technology, Inc. and formerly of Air Products and
Chemicals, Inc. Dr. Dean has gained worldwide recognition for his outstanding
contributions in corrosion testing, standardization and leadership in the voluntary
standards system within both ASTM and the International Organization for
Standardization (ISO). Dr. Dean has been an ASTM member since 1965. He has authored
more than 95 publications, is primary author of six standards, and has
assisted with 20 others. He has also edited seven books. A large number of these
standards and publications are used throughout the world in materials and corrosion
technology.
This is a water stain, a type of corrosion. It starts out blackish then over
time it turns white. This is aluminum hydroxide, which forms instead of the oxide.
A protective layer of aluminum oxide is formed from the oxygen in the air.
The hydroxide is formed when it is exposed to water.
Once the corrosion is removed, a feint stain pattern might remain or recur at
a later time. This could be easily removed by polishing. The surface could be
primed and painted, in which case there would be no further evidence of the corrosion.
There are no damaging physical or chemical changes made by a superficial
layer of this corrosion. If the stained sheets are dry now and remain so,
there will be no further corrosion even when stored this way for a few years.
Acid etching also does not promote corrosion. The protective oxide layer will
form. Aluminum may be acid etched and stored dry without a conversion coating.
There is no benefit to applying a conversion coating when the sheets will remain
dry afterwards.
Removing the stain/corrosion could be done with an acid etch and scotchbrite,
or possibly with scotchbrite alone. The latter method would not require eye and
skin protection needed with the acid etch method.
I also spoke with David Burleigh, Ph.D. (from MIT) of the Materials and Metallurgical
Engineering department at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology.
He agreed with Dr. Dean, but added a couple items:
1. Corrosion could continue if there were road salts deposited on the aluminum
2. The sheets should be inspected for signs of pitting: pimples of powder above
the surface.
I think now Ill inspect the corrosion to make sure there is no pitting. At that
time I could try removing the corrosion with scotchbrite alone. Most sheets
have the stain on one side only. Ill mark this side so I can avoid the potential
of recurring stain on the exterior.
I give thanks to Dr. George Totten, author of the Handbook of Aluminum and past
president of the International Federation of Heat Treating and SurfaceEngineering
(IFHTSE). Dr. Totten referred me to Drs. Dean and Burleigh.
Take care,
Dan
---------------------------------
Brings words and photos together (easily) with
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate |
- scotchbrite
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos F Discher-Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, Dan
Thanks for the informative posting.
I have removed light corrosion marks and scratches with scotchbrite myself.
Just one word of advice: you might not need hands and eyes protection, but I suggest
some sort of
dust mask, specially if you are going to use scotchbrite on a power tool.
A thin, green dust (or whatever color you are using) will be created and get into
your airways -
it can't be good. I learned about it when I blew my nose after a session of "scotchbriting"...
Cheers
Carlos
(Two riveted fuel tanks done. Next, spar mounting plates (shudder!)... )
--- Dan Morehouse <messydeer@yahoo.com> a crit :
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Morehouse <messydeer@yahoo.com>
>
> About my corrosion problem...
...
> I think now Ill inspect the corrosion to make sure there is no pitting. At
that time I could
> try removing the corrosion with scotchbrite alone. Most sheets have the stain
on one side only.
> Ill mark this side so I can avoid the potential of recurring stain on the exterior.
>
...
Lche-vitrine ou lche-cran ?
magasinage.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
Thanks Dan for the well presented information. I really like this sort of
objectively obtained, informed study of the issues, risks, and mitigation.
This helps us all alot. Well done.
Paul
XL-O200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Morehouse"
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate
> This is a water stain, a type of corrosion. It starts out blackish then
> over time it turns white. This is aluminum hydroxide, which forms instead
> of the oxide. A protective layer of aluminum oxide is formed from the
> oxygen in the air. The hydroxide is formed when it is exposed to water.
>
> Once the corrosion is removed, a feint stain pattern might remain or
> recur at a later time. This could be easily removed by polishing. The
> surface could be primed and painted, in which case there would be no
> further evidence of the corrosion. There are no damaging physical or
> chemical changes made by a superficial layer of this corrosion. If the
> stained sheets are dry now and remain so, there will be no further
> corrosion even when stored this way for a few years.
>
> Acid etching also does not promote corrosion. The protective oxide layer
> will form. Aluminum may be acid etched and stored dry without a conversion
> coating. There is no benefit to applying a conversion coating when the
> sheets will remain dry afterwards.
>
> Removing the stain/corrosion could be done with an acid etch and
> scotchbrite, or possibly with scotchbrite alone. The latter method would
> not require eye and skin protection needed with the acid etch method.
> 1. Corrosion could continue if there were road salts deposited on the
> aluminum
> 2. The sheets should be inspected for signs of pitting: pimples of powder
> above the surface.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com
Bill, I know that Jim Weston has an HDS with a Sub engine. His plane is at Thomaston
Airport, Georgia (OPN) and he has been on this thread in the past. Good
guy and nice ac. Contact him by checking the archive for his e mail address. Best
of luck, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Flick <rflick@chilitech.net>
Sent: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:00:26 -0500
Subject: Zenith-List: cowl
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Flick" <rflick@chilitech.net>
anyone have a cowl for my 601 hds with a subaru? thanks ralph
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Canopy Latches and Towbar attachment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com
Scott, the way I made a tow bar attachement was to drill holes in the ends of the
front axel and thread them. Then I used a 10 mm barrel insert and bolted it
on each end and redrilled the carter pin hole. Works great, looks good. Best
regards, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:19:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Latches and Towbar attachment
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Larry, Al, Trevor, Brandon, Neil and others:
Thanks for all the replies on and off-list about the
latches. I ordered them directly from Spaenaur and it
was $50 for both sides and a few extra strikers ($50US
was their minimum order). ZAC wants $370 for the pair
of assemblies.
Also, thanks for the lively discussion last week (or
the week before) on towbar attachments. I made one
last weekend with my little mill/lathe. It was a fun
project and I think it will work well. It gave me
something to do while my crankshaft is away.
Here's a photo:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/2_4_06_Towbar.JPG
Happy Building,
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
www.cooknwithgas.com
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> *Scott,
>>
> SPAE-NAUR company, Toronto. They can be purchased
> from the Windsor
> >> >Factory Supply 519-966-2202. The part numbers
> are 099-031 for the left
> >hand
> >> >one and 099-030 for the right hand one. They
> cost $36.40 Canadian each.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS
> *
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stephen R. Look" <slook@mchsi.com>
Thanks to everyone who replied to my question. About 99% of responses
on-list and off said the aileron trim was a good idea so that's what
I'm going to do. Thanks again,
Steve
At 04:09 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:
>...I'm looking for opinions about getting the aileron trim tab
>option. How worthwhile is this?
Steve Look
Monticello, IL
601XL - tail kit
"Dogs have owners, Cats have staff"
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate - |
scotchbrite
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Green dust??? Sounds, like you are using the green Scotchbrite. No good for
aluminum. Use only the darl red stuff.
Happy building
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos F Discher-Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:26 PM
Subject: RE : Zenith-List: Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc
Chromate - scotchbrite
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos F Discher-Sa
<carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello, Dan
>
>
> Thanks for the informative posting.
>
> I have removed light corrosion marks and scratches with scotchbrite
myself.
> Just one word of advice: you might not need hands and eyes protection, but
I suggest some sort of
> dust mask, specially if you are going to use scotchbrite on a power tool.
> A thin, green dust (or whatever color you are using) will be created and
get into your airways -
> it can't be good. I learned about it when I blew my nose after a session
of "scotchbriting"...
>
> Cheers
>
> Carlos
> (Two riveted fuel tanks done. Next, spar mounting plates (shudder!)... )
>
> --- Dan Morehouse <messydeer@yahoo.com> a crit :
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Morehouse <messydeer@yahoo.com>
> >
> > About my corrosion problem...
> ...
> > I think now Ill inspect the corrosion to make sure there is no
pitting. At that time I could
> > try removing the corrosion with scotchbrite alone. Most sheets have the
stain on one side only.
> > Ill mark this side so I can avoid the potential of recurring stain on
the exterior.
> >
> ...
>
>
> Lche-vitrine ou lche-cran ?
> magasinage.yahoo.ca
>
>
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| Subject: | 601XL - aux wing fuel pump |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" <mpohl@pohltec.ch>
Hello everybody
My XL has 4 x 12USG wing tanks and a 5-way-Andair selector valve.
Zenith's standard fuel supply setup is - as you all know - one aux fuel pump behind
the fuel selector valve/gascolator. The aux fuel pump needs to "suck" the
fuel over a rather long way from each tank through the selector valve and the
gascolator. I am somehow concerned that it is more likely with this setup that
vapor lock occurs, especially during takeoff (engine at full power).
I don't want to install 4 aux fuel pumps at each wing fuel tank outlet. But what
do you think about this idea:
* 1 aux fuel pump at the firewall (after the gascolator, standard setup, ok for
cruise flight phase)
* 1 elec fuel pump at the left inner tank, switched on for takeoff and landings,
takeoff and landings are made with fuel from the left inner tank.
This would mean that during critical flight phases with high power settings, the
fuel is additionally pressurized right from the wing tank by the wing tank pump.
In case I forget to switch on the wing tank pump and/or forget to select the left
inner wing fuel tank, the setup is still Zenith-standard (1 aux fuel pump at
the firewall, 1 engine driven fuel pump).
What is your opinion? I am not a fuel system expert - looking forward to reading
your answers!!!
Cheers Martin
--------
________________________
Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate - |
scotchbrite
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" <bjohnson@satx.rr.com>
What's wrong with the green stuff????
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thilo Kind
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc
Chromate - scotchbrite
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Green dust??? Sounds, like you are using the green Scotchbrite. No good for
aluminum. Use only the darl red stuff.
Happy building
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos F Discher-Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:26 PM
Subject: RE : Zenith-List: Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc
Chromate - scotchbrite
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| Subject: | green scotchbrite |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
One rudder, one elevator, one horiz. stabilizer, two outboard spars, one central
spar, two fuel
tanks, I-don't-know-how-many-ribs done and you say the green stuff iznogood?!
Why?
Carlos
do not archive - for now
--- Thilo Kind <thilo.kind@gmx.net> a crit :
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
>
> Green dust??? Sounds, like you are using the green Scotchbrite. No good for
> aluminum. Use only the darl red stuff.
>
> Happy building
>
> Thilo Kind
Lche-vitrine ou lche-cran ?
magasinage.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: green scotchbrite |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
One whole airplane, plus a 2nd right wing, and I'm kinda wonderin' myself. Suppose
it might be ok
since I covered it all with green paint?
Mike Sinclair
N701TD should be back in the air in the next couple of weeks. Hum? maybe the green
stuff was the
real reason for the axle failure. And speaking about getting in the air. Another
701, built by
Clyde Engert of Towanda, Kansas made it's initial excursions into the wild blue
today. I don't
believe he is on the list, but I thought it was another noteworthy accomplishment.
Aircraft
performed great and Clyde is now a much happier camper.
Carlos Sa wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> One rudder, one elevator, one horiz. stabilizer, two outboard spars, one central
spar, two fuel
> tanks, I-don't-know-how-many-ribs done and you say the green stuff iznogood?!
> Why?
>
> Carlos
> do not archive - for now
>
> --- Thilo Kind <thilo.kind@gmx.net> a crit :
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
> >
> > Green dust??? Sounds, like you are using the green Scotchbrite. No good for
> > aluminum. Use only the darl red stuff.
> >
> > Happy building
> >
> > Thilo Kind
>
>
> Lche-vitrine ou lche-cran ?
> magasinage.yahoo.ca
>
>
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| Subject: | green scotchbrite |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Not to take sides on the Scotch Brite thing, but from the archives:
>
>>
>>I've looked at it very carefully. It is an opinion issued by the Luscombe
>>Association. I don't think they know what they are talking about.
>>Cy Galley
>
>+++ Cy, Zenith published a full page chart printed in the Zenair
>Newletter #84 September/October 1994 issue that is virtually identical to
>the listing just posted. It lists (9) different abrasives and says the
same
>thing including the comments about Scotch-brite A being acceptable, and
>Scotchbrite-S being NOT acceptable, emery cloth or emery paper not
>acceptable, steel brushes not acceptable, but Aluminum Oxide IS
>Recommended. It goes on to further include a catagory of "Blast Cleaning
>Grits" for those that might be using air blasting to remove paints or
>prepare various metals for priming. From both catagories, it prohibits the
>use of any steel or iron-oxide based products on aluminum. I asked the EAA
>Techinical Advisor about this and was told that those products are listed
as
>"prohibited" because they leave micro-particles of steel or iron-oxide
>imbedded in the aluminum, and that can produce the dialectric differential
>with the aluminum which can promote corrosion of the aluminum. Fred
Jeff Davidson
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| Subject: | Re: green scotchbrite |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
This is right from the Zodiac XL Photo Assembly guides:
>
> Metal preparation for before priming
> Gently scuff up the surface with a Scotch-bright general purpose hand pad 3M
product P/N 7447+ (plastic pad similar to pad on back side of some sponges found
around the kitchen!) do not use steel wool. De-grease the surface with a solvent
on a clean rag, such as lacquer thinner. Apply the primer on bother matting
surface, let dry, then cleco the parts together for riveting. Only apply the
primer on the inside surfaces only, the primer may not be compatible with the
top coat or paint!
>
Maybe the green stuff was $$$ as in not enough.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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| Subject: | speaking of latches |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net" <mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net>
While spending 45 minutes trying to run the canopy latch cable housing through
the front canopy bow I decided to run the 1/16 cable first. Picked up the far
end with my wife's eyebrow tweezers and than ran the housing over the cable and
through the bow. Done in 5 minutes!
OBTW - article in Kitplanes about external antenna for your handheld..... it works
GREAT! Listening to the Prescott, AZ tower while building is music to my ears.
Mike in AZ, CH601XL - N445ML
While spending 45 minutes trying to run the canopy latch cable housing through
the front canopy bow I decided to run the 1/16 cable first. Picked up the far
end with my wife's eyebrow tweezers and than ran the housing over the cable and
through the bow. Done in 5 minutes!
OBTW - article in Kitplanes about external antenna for your handheld..... it works
GREAT! Listening to the Prescott, AZ tower while building is music to my ears.
Mike in AZ, CH601XL - N445ML
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| Subject: | Re: green scotchbrite |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
The 3M MSDS sheet for product P/N 7447+ shows that it uses an aluminum oxide
abrasive so it should be correct for use on aluminum. I guess you can't tell
what abrasive is used in the product by its color.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 2/6/06 8:39 PM, Ron Lendon at rlendon@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
>
> This is right from the Zodiac XL Photo Assembly guides:
>
>
>>
>> Metal preparation for before priming
>> Gently scuff up the surface with a Scotch-bright general purpose hand pad 3M
>> product P/N 7447+ (plastic pad similar to pad on back side of some sponges
>> found around the kitchen!) do not use steel wool. De-grease the surface with
>> a solvent on a clean rag, such as lacquer thinner. Apply the primer on bother
>> matting surface, let dry, then cleco the parts together for riveting. Only
>> apply the primer on the inside surfaces only, the primer may not be
>> compatible with the top coat or paint!
>>
>
>
> Maybe the green stuff was $$$ as in not enough.
>
> --------
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: green scotchbrite |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
Just please, please don't ever get it near aluminum engine parts. Don't
ask me how I know.
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
www.flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5S
tech 970-242-3800
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Martin
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: green scotchbrite
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin
--> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
The 3M MSDS sheet for product P/N 7447+ shows that it uses an aluminum
oxide abrasive so it should be correct for use on aluminum. I guess you
can't tell what abrasive is used in the product by its color.
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Alerts had CH701 items this month. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rory Davis <n7cr@bellsouth.net>
R.P. said the following on 2/6/2006 10:42 AM:
> I'm not sure about the 701's elevator, but the elevator stop on my 601 is
> attached to the rudder fairing and is set for full deflection of the
> elevator without allowing the horn and gusset to ever contact each other.
> Is the 701 different?
>
> Rick Pitcher
> N601ZR
Hi Rick, Glad to see you over here too.
Looking at the drawings it appears there is no "real" up elevator stop on the
CH-701. Down elevator is limited by the contact of the lower elevator horn
against the rear of the fuselage, as noted in the drawings to "later: file to
adjust elevator stop" (Dwg. 7H5). No mention of up elevator stop.
Rory
CH-701 working on wing skeleton
Lacombe, LA
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
We finally have our shop and tools ready, so we can start building.
I have a question regarding rudder construction. In the workshop, the
vertical tail horn, fairing, and the upper bearing are not installed. I
know that we are supposed to wait to install the upper bearing until we
install the rudder on the fuselage, to get the proper positioning. How
about the tail horn and fairing - do we need to wait on those also, or can
they be installed now?
Also, I noticed that plans page 6-T-5 shows a fiberglass rudder fairing for
the top of the rudder, (my plans page is dated 02/05). Is this an optional
item, or should we have gotten a fiberglass fairing instead of the aluminum
tip rib when we built our rudder at the Aug. '05 workshop? Our kit did not
include this fairing, and it was not shown in the packing list.
Thanks in advance,
Dave Van Lanen
Madison, WI
601XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
Dave,
I started with my XL rudder about this time last year. I did not recieve
the fiberglass upper rudder fairing either, when I called ZAC about it they
told me it was completly optional. I left the aluminum tip rib in place.
I have not attached the bottom rudder fairing or the upper bearing as of yet
either, (I plan to wait till it is mounted on the fuse.) I did go ahead and
attach the rudder horn though.
Dont forget to leave a no rivet zone for your lower fairing untill it is
mounted!!
good luck
Brad Cohen
601XL tail, wings done
>From: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Rudder
>Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:12:22 -0600
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
><davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
>
>We finally have our shop and tools ready, so we can start building.
>
>I have a question regarding rudder construction. In the workshop, the
>vertical tail horn, fairing, and the upper bearing are not installed. I
>know that we are supposed to wait to install the upper bearing until we
>install the rudder on the fuselage, to get the proper positioning. How
>about the tail horn and fairing - do we need to wait on those also, or can
>they be installed now?
>
>Also, I noticed that plans page 6-T-5 shows a fiberglass rudder fairing for
>the top of the rudder, (my plans page is dated 02/05). Is this an optional
>item, or should we have gotten a fiberglass fairing instead of the aluminum
>tip rib when we built our rudder at the Aug. '05 workshop? Our kit did not
>include this fairing, and it was not shown in the packing list.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Dave Van Lanen
>Madison, WI
>601XL
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Need scrap 0.125" 6061-T6 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rory Davis <n7cr@bellsouth.net>
I'd like to add the optional wing tiedown rings before riveting the nose ribs on
my wings but cringe at the price ZAC will want for the material.
Does anyone have some 0.125" 6061-T6 scrap lying around they're willing to part
with?
The raw material needs to be 40mm x 135mm for each piece (2 needed) or slightly
larger.
I will reimburse shipping...
Email off list if you can help.
Thanks,
Rory
Lacombe, LA
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