---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/09/06: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:19 AM - Re: green scotchbrite (steveadams) 2. 06:53 AM - Re: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE, etc (japhillipsga@aol.com) 3. 07:00 AM - N105RH () 4. 07:02 AM - Re: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE (japhillipsga@aol.com) 5. 07:08 AM - Re: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE (Garrou, Douglas) 6. 07:39 AM - Re: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE (JOHN STARN) 7. 08:00 AM - Re: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? (Cleone Markwell) 8. 08:27 AM - Re: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE (steveadams) 9. 09:24 AM - Re: N105RH (N5SL) 10. 09:27 AM - ScotchBright contains Bad Carbs! (Zed Smith) 11. 10:08 AM - Re: 105RH (Tim Egan) 12. 10:21 AM - Re: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? (Gary Gower) 13. 10:35 AM - Re: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? (Bob Miller) 14. 10:46 AM - Re: N105RH (xl) 15. 11:55 AM - Re: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? (cgalley) 16. 12:12 PM - XL firewall/motor-mount: bolts or studs (Craig Payne) 17. 12:12 PM - green scotchbrite and corrosion (mcr01steiner@mac.com) 18. 02:49 PM - 0.02 worth (Brad Cohen) 19. 02:53 PM - Re: XL firewall/motor-mount: bolts or studs (Mike) 20. 03:12 PM - Re: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? (Jim Hoak) 21. 03:46 PM - The weight of Primer (Ron Lendon) 22. 03:48 PM - Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute (Tommy Walker) 23. 04:28 PM - Re: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute (Craig Payne) 24. 04:44 PM - Re: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute (Mike Sinclair) 25. 05:00 PM - Re: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute (Craig Payne) 26. 05:26 PM - Re: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute (Mike Sinclair) 27. 05:36 PM - Re: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute (Larry McFarland) 28. 07:01 PM - Re: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute (Tommy Walker) 29. 07:30 PM - Re: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute (NYTerminat@aol.com) 30. 07:44 PM - Re: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute (doug kandle) 31. 11:02 PM - Re: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute (Gary Gower) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:40 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: green scotchbrite From: "steveadams" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" Could we please put this OWT to rest. Here is the MSDS on scothbrite 96 (the green ones), in spanish, but thats all I could find. SCOTCH-BRITE(TM) FIBRA ESPONJA 96, MEXICO ISSUED: January 28, 2000 SUPERSEDES: INITIAL ISSUE DOCUMENT: 09-5039-4 1. INGREDIENT C.A.S. NO. PERCENT PHENOLIC RESIN.......................... 9003-35-4 30-60% ALUMINUM OXIDE.......................... 1344-28-1 20-50% NYLON FIBER............................. Unknown 15-40% I looked through all the msds's for scotch-brite and couldn't find any of the pads that had anything other than aluminum oxide, silicon carbide, talc, or polyester as an abrasive. The "aircraft cleaning pads" have talc and polyester. The various scotch-brite wheels, grinders etc may be different, I didn't look at them. Select them based upon how abrasive you want them to be, or price, or color if you just like the way marron or grey look in your hand, but none of the pads commonly available contain iron. All of us who picked up our green pads from walmart, home depot, or under the kitchen sink can finally sleep without worrying. Now as far as priming the interior surfaces......... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10992#10992 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:17 AM PST US From: japhillipsga@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE, etc --> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com Jim, was that you flying yesterday late afternoon ? I had just turned west off 30 at about 3500 and climbing and I passed over a maroon colored 601 flying north to south entering the pattern. I called but received no answer. Hope your well, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Weston, Jim Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:46:17 -0500 Subject: RE: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" Ok, this is getting really fun. So I can't resist to put in my two cents. I don't know about the color coding, but the problem is that some pads are manufactured with Aluminum Oxide as the abrasive, and some are manufactured with Iron Oxide as the abrasive. Iron Oxide is very very very bad to use on aluminum. During the process of scrubbing the aluminum small particles of iron oxide are embedded within the aluminum. The contact between dissimilar metals and the rusting action of the iron causes corrosion to form. WE DON'T WANT CORROSION ON OUR ALUMINUM AIRPLANES. I may have the physics/chemistry of the situation a bit wrong, but the effect is the same. Unless you figure out the color code issue, buy your scotch brite type of pads at the local auto paint shop and make sure that the abrasive is aluminum. Jim Weston Concord, Ga. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garrou, Douglas Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" --> For those who have used green Scotchbrite, fear not: if this product results in the destruction of your airframe, I will represent your bereaved relatives and estate against 3M -- pro bono. Seriously, what could a green Scotchbrite possibly do to aluminum sheet that would damage it?!? True, I'm nobody's idea of an engineer -- you can trust me on that, or you could just ask the Chief Engineer for Project 801, where my official position apparently is "chief self-inflicted injury receiver." But in any event, my pea-brain can't get itself around the idea of a color-coded killer Scotchbrite. I am, however, starting to get nervous. Now, whenever I see the green Scotchbrite on the shelf at Project 801 HQ, that evil bad-guy music from Star Wars starts playing in my head. I also think that aircraft listed for sale in Trade-a-Plane should have to identify total time on the airframe, total time on the engine since overhaul, and whether a green Scotchbrite has ever been within 75 feet of the aircraft. Finally, I have taken to wearing a maroon Scotchbrite on a string around my neck when I sleep, to ward off the evil green spirit. Really, you just can't be too careful. Doug Garrou Project 801 www.garrou.com p.s. You know you can trust me: My hair is sort of maroon-colored. -----Original Message----- > > > > Green dust??? Sounds, like you are using the green Scotchbrite. No > > good for aluminum. Use only the darl red stuff. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:26 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: N105RH --> Zenith-List message posted by: Does anyone have any details? Our thoughts are with them... ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:01 AM PST US From: japhillipsga@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE --> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com Bruce, yes, unfortunately, it appears from our investigation that you have incorrectly used the little known, but very dangerous and unstable, Explosive Army Green scotch brite pad. Sorry pal, your only possible course of action is to hand chip all paint and primer from you plane using a plastic picnic spoon while under a water sprinkler. Tough luck. With any kind of effort you should maybe done by early April, say around the 1st. Take care and best regards, Bill of Georgia do not archive -----Original Message----- From: B Johnson Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:20:51 -0600 Subject: RE: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE --> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" Jim, It appears that what I have (not actually "green" per-say, looks more like army green) is "silicon carbide" any thoughts on that??? More fun??? Bruce Johnson Hoping my Sonex doesnt fall out of the sky because I bought cheep surplus scotch=brite. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weston, Jim Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" Ok, this is getting really fun. So I can't resist to put in my two cents. I don't know about the color coding, but the problem is that some pads are manufactured with Aluminum Oxide as the abrasive, and some are manufactured with Iron Oxide as the abrasive. Iron Oxide is very very very bad to use on aluminum. During the process of scrubbing the aluminum small particles of iron oxide are embedded within the aluminum. The contact between dissimilar metals and the rusting action of the iron causes corrosion to form. WE DON'T WANT CORROSION ON OUR ALUMINUM AIRPLANES. I may have the physics/chemistry of the situation a bit wrong, but the effect is the same. Unless you figure out the color code issue, buy your scotch brite type of pads at the local auto paint shop and make sure that the abrasive is aluminum. Jim Weston Concord, Ga. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garrou, Douglas Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" --> For those who have used green Scotchbrite, fear not: if this product results in the destruction of your airframe, I will represent your bereaved relatives and estate against 3M -- pro bono. Seriously, what could a green Scotchbrite possibly do to aluminum sheet that would damage it?!? True, I'm nobody's idea of an engineer -- you can trust me on that, or you could just ask the Chief Engineer for Project 801, where my official position apparently is "chief self-inflicted injury receiver." But in any event, my pea-brain can't get itself around the idea of a color-coded killer Scotchbrite. I am, however, starting to get nervous. Now, whenever I see the green Scotchbrite on the shelf at Project 801 HQ, that evil bad-guy music from Star Wars starts playing in my head. I also think that aircraft listed for sale in Trade-a-Plane should have to identify total time on the airframe, total time on the engine since overhaul, and whether a green Scotchbrite has ever been within 75 feet of the aircraft. Finally, I have taken to wearing a maroon Scotchbrite on a string around my neck when I sleep, to ward off the evil green spirit. Really, you just can't be too careful. Doug Garrou Project 801 www.garrou.com p.s. You know you can trust me: My hair is sort of maroon-colored. -----Original Message----- > > > > Green dust??? Sounds, like you are using the green Scotchbrite. No > > good for aluminum. Use only the darl red stuff. -- -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE From: "Garrou, Douglas" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" Okay, yours is the kind of post that gets the evil Scotchbrite internet world humming. It's time to apply the scientific process. I'm not saying you're wrong -- at this point I'm WAAAAY too ignorant to stake out my position -- but I'm from Missouri. (Figuratively, and thus unlike our 801 kit, which is from Missouri literally.) Anyway, do you have: (1) a source for the claim that green scotchbrite contains iron oxide abrasives (2) a source for the claim that iron oxide abrasives are very very bad to use on aluminum (3) a source for the claim that small particles of iron oxide abrasives will actually embed themselves in the aluminum (4) a source for the claim that these embedded particles then contribute to dissimilar metal corrosion processes (5) any evidence that any aluminum sheet anywhere has been corroded or damaged in this fashion. I'll take the "WE DON'T WANT CORROSION" part as a given. It seems to me that whatever the heck is in green scotchbrite, steps 3 and 4 are the really questionable steps here. Meanwhile, we seem to have anecdotal evidence that 5 hasn't yet occurred. Clearly we need to ask those Ph.D. corrosion types this question. That was a really interesting post (unlike my blather....) Cheers Doug Garrou Project801 www.garrou.com -----Original Message----- Time: 10:51:10 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE From: "Weston, Jim" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" Ok, this is getting really fun. So I can't resist to put in my two cents. I don't know about the color coding, but the problem is that some pads are manufactured with Aluminum Oxide as the abrasive, and some are manufactured with Iron Oxide as the abrasive. Iron Oxide is very very very bad to use on aluminum. During the process of scrubbing the aluminum small particles of iron oxide are embedded within the aluminum. The contact between dissimilar metals and the rusting action of the iron causes corrosion to form. WE DON'T WANT CORROSION ON OUR ALUMINUM AIRPLANES. I may have the physics/chemistry of the situation a bit wrong, but the effect is the same. Unless you figure out the color code issue, buy your scotch brite type of pads at the local auto paint shop and make sure that the abrasive is aluminum. Jim Weston Concord, Ga. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garrou, Douglas Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" --> For those who have used green Scotchbrite, fear not: if this product results in the destruction of your airframe, I will represent your bereaved relatives and estate against 3M -- pro bono. Seriously, what could a green Scotchbrite possibly do to aluminum sheet that would damage it?!? True, I'm nobody's idea of an engineer -- you can trust me on that, or you could just ask the Chief Engineer for Project 801, where my official position apparently is "chief self-inflicted injury receiver." But in any event, my pea-brain can't get itself around the idea of a color-coded killer Scotchbrite. I am, however, starting to get nervous. Now, whenever I see the green Scotchbrite on the shelf at Project 801 HQ, that evil bad-guy music from Star Wars starts playing in my head. I also think that aircraft listed for sale in Trade-a-Plane should have to identify total time on the airframe, total time on the engine since overhaul, and whether a green Scotchbrite has ever been within 75 feet of the aircraft. Finally, I have taken to wearing a maroon Scotchbrite on a string around my neck when I sleep, to ward off the evil green spirit. Really, you just can't be too careful. Doug Garrou Project 801 www.garrou.com p.s. You know you can trust me: My hair is sort of maroon-colored. -----Original Message----- > > > > Green dust??? Sounds, like you are using the green Scotchbrite. No > > good for aluminum. Use only the darl red stuff. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:36 AM PST US From: japhillipsga@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate: folow ups, pics and scotchbrite --> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com Dan, the brown or maroon pad it courser than the green. The reason there may be some hesitation on our part to say what is right or wrong is that we are not sure exactly what and when you plan to do with the metal. On my XL I used the maroon pads to clean and scuff the metal before re cleaning with lacquer thinner and wax /grease cleaner then priming with epoxy primer. When the epoxy seals corrosion is dead. Best of luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Dan Morehouse Sent: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:10:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corrosion Prevention: Alodine and Zinc Chromate: folow ups, pics and scotchbrite --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Morehouse Thanks everybody for being thankful. I've taken so much from this group over the past several months, so it's nice to add something. I'll be asking a few follow up questions to these guys in a little while, so please post any you have. I'll ask about the stain 'shadow' that remains or recurrs. I was told it's fine to paint over, but I will double check to make sure it would be nothing but a minor cosmetic defect. I hit the aluminum with a Blendes drum and also with Alumiprep and scotchbrite for the first time last night. The Alumiprep didn't work so-so. I used a GREEN scotchbrite and maybe 20# hand pressure after mixing the Alumiprep 1:2, the highest suggested mix ratio. Did that after a 6-8 minute dwell time. The Blendex drum on an angle grinder by itself worked much better. It looked like that stain shadow was left after an initial pass using 10-20# pressure on the grinder. It was much shinier and the shadow was only noticeable at certain reflective angles. I'm not sure this is what Dr. Dean talked about or not. I was able to get rid of it with a second pass and twice as much pressure. If this will be the interior side, I might not even have to do that. One of my questions I'll ask. I emailed a few pics of this to the list. I'm told it may take a few days to post and the group will be notified. Finally, it seems there's a debate on the grade of scotchbrite to be used. I'm using green and have heard others say maroon is better. Is that a finer or coarser grade? Cheers, Dan --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:57:21 AM PST US From: japhillipsga@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Propeller Balancing --> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com Jeff, Spruce has (had) an inexpensive plug, line level, string device for sale to balance props. Saw it, but have not used it. Seem similar devices in other DIY plane building books, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey J Paris Sent: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:55:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Zenith-List: Propeller Balancing --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey J Paris" Guru's of the Zenith List, I've Googled without much luck, but does anyone have an inexpensive way, directions, instructions to balance ones' wooden propeller? I'm curious to see what has to be said? Thank you for your time and consideration. Jeff Paris N196ZP CH601XL Jabiru 3300 45 hours in the air and loving every minute of it!!!! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:36 PM PST US From: "B Johnson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE --> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" Jim, It appears that what I have (not actually "green" per-say, looks more like army green) is "silicon carbide" any thoughts on that??? More fun??? Bruce Johnson Hoping my Sonex doesnt fall out of the sky because I bought cheep surplus scotch=brite. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weston, Jim Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" Ok, this is getting really fun. So I can't resist to put in my two cents. I don't know about the color coding, but the problem is that some pads are manufactured with Aluminum Oxide as the abrasive, and some are manufactured with Iron Oxide as the abrasive. Iron Oxide is very very very bad to use on aluminum. During the process of scrubbing the aluminum small particles of iron oxide are embedded within the aluminum. The contact between dissimilar metals and the rusting action of the iron causes corrosion to form. WE DON'T WANT CORROSION ON OUR ALUMINUM AIRPLANES. I may have the physics/chemistry of the situation a bit wrong, but the effect is the same. Unless you figure out the color code issue, buy your scotch brite type of pads at the local auto paint shop and make sure that the abrasive is aluminum. Jim Weston Concord, Ga. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garrou, Douglas Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" --> For those who have used green Scotchbrite, fear not: if this product results in the destruction of your airframe, I will represent your bereaved relatives and estate against 3M -- pro bono. Seriously, what could a green Scotchbrite possibly do to aluminum sheet that would damage it?!? True, I'm nobody's idea of an engineer -- you can trust me on that, or you could just ask the Chief Engineer for Project 801, where my official position apparently is "chief self-inflicted injury receiver." But in any event, my pea-brain can't get itself around the idea of a color-coded killer Scotchbrite. I am, however, starting to get nervous. Now, whenever I see the green Scotchbrite on the shelf at Project 801 HQ, that evil bad-guy music from Star Wars starts playing in my head. I also think that aircraft listed for sale in Trade-a-Plane should have to identify total time on the airframe, total time on the engine since overhaul, and whether a green Scotchbrite has ever been within 75 feet of the aircraft. Finally, I have taken to wearing a maroon Scotchbrite on a string around my neck when I sleep, to ward off the evil green spirit. Really, you just can't be too careful. Doug Garrou Project 801 www.garrou.com p.s. You know you can trust me: My hair is sort of maroon-colored. -----Original Message----- > > > > Green dust??? Sounds, like you are using the green Scotchbrite. No > > good for aluminum. Use only the darl red stuff. -- -- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:06 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: green scotchbrite From: "Ron Lendon" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" It looks like the green pads are for scouring. Here is a link to 3m's site: -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10918#10918 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:56 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" Finally, I have taken to wearing a maroon Scotchbrite on a string around my neck when I sleep, to ward off the evil green spirit. Really, you just can't be too careful. Doug Garrou Project 801 www.garrou.com p.s. You know you can trust me: My hair is sort of maroon-colored. ////////////////////////////////////////// Ya know, The image of green colored scotchbrite hair flashed through my brain for a second. All I saw was a Don King looking guy at a salad bar... EEEWWWWWW... Of course, DO NOT ARCHIVE. Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com Finally, I have taken to wearing a maroon Scotchbrite on a string around my neck when I sleep, to ward off the evil green spirit. Really, you just can't be too careful. Doug Garrou Project 801 www.garrou.com p.s. You know you can trust me: My hair is sort of maroon-colored. ////////////////////////////////////////// Ya know,The image ofgreen colored scotchbrite hair flashed through my brain for a second. All I saw was a Don King looking guy at a salad bar... EEEWWWWWW... G Of course, DO NOT ARCHIVE. BenHaas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:51 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE --> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" OR A SECOND OPTION.......You could ship it to me, where I promise to take the required steps to neutralize the hazard, then buy yourself another kit & start over. 8*) Also this must be completed on or before April F.... ... the 1st. 2006. KABONG Do Not Archive (May even kick in a few bucks to help out on shipping costs) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:01 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE > --> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com > > Bruce, yes, unfortunately, it appears from our investigation that you have > incorrectly used the little known, but very dangerous and unstable, > Explosive Army Green scotch brite pad. Sorry pal, your only possible > course of action is to hand chip all paint and primer from you plane using > a plastic picnic spoon while under a water sprinkler. Tough luck. With any > kind of effort you should maybe done by early April, say around the 1st. > Take care and best regards, Bill of Georgia > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: B Johnson > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:20:51 -0600 > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:41 AM PST US From: Cleone Markwell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell Scott, About 15 yrs ago while building my first plane I bought a kit and supply of rivnuts and didn't like them so haven't used one for years. Problem was the few that turned and the trouble in repairing the problem. Perhaps I didn't learn the proper way to do this if there is one. Best of luck, Cleone At 01:00 PM 1/17/2006, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL > >Fellow builders: > >As you can see from the following photo, I haven't yet >attached my forward, top skin permanently. > >http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_17_06_Panel.jpg > >The first reason is that I have a rat's nest of wires >to be tidied up. The second reason is that I want to >be able to remove it later and haven't decided how >best to do this. > >I have been using rivnuts all over the place for >non-structural applications (like wire-clamps). > >For those of you who are reading and have not >personally installed a rivnut and/or an anchor nut >before, here's the best photo I could find: > >http://www.torquecontrol.ltd.uk/photo2.jpg >or >http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/rivets/rivnuts.jpg > >As opposed to an anchor nut: > >http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/bolts/minianchornut.jpg > >So - after all that - my question is - does anybody >have a good reason why I should not install rivnuts to >hold down the top forward skin with screws? (Besides >the obvious reason that one or two may spin in the >future - I can get back there to hold them if this >happens). > >Thanks in advance for any input, > >Scott Laughlin >www.cooknwithgas.com > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:06 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: EVIL SCOTCHBRITE From: "steveadams" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" Please see my post under "green scotch-brite". I could find no scotchbrite pads having iron oxide. This is an OWT. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11039#11039 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:56 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N105RH --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Details? Sorry but from reading your email and looking at the subject line, there's no way to tell what you are referring to. It sounds important. Please provide more information. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com DO NOT ARCHIVE --- kim.forest@surewest.net wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > > Does anyone have any details? Our thoughts are with > them... > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:20 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: ScotchBright contains Bad Carbs! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Wouldn't it be much simpler to start with CLEAN aluminum from the beginning? please do not archive except on odd-numbered Thursdays. Zed/701/R912/90+%/I just use an old rag and Jim Bean.....test first for quality....apply liberal amount. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:59 AM PST US From: "Tim Egan" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: 105RH --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Egan" From www.faa.gov:**************************************************************** **************** ** Report created 2/9/2006 Record 3 ** **************************************************************************** **** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 105RH Make/Model: EXP Description: ZENITH ZODIAC Date: 02/08/2006 Time: 2318 Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Destroyed LOCATION City: OAKDALE State: CA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES INTO AN ORCHARD, THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD WERE FATALLY INJURED, OAKDALE, CA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 2 # Crew: 2 Fat: 2 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: METAR KMOD 2240 WIND CALM, VIS 6KTS, SKY CLR, TEMP23, DPT8, A3007 OTHER DATA Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: FRESNO, CA (WP17) Entry date: 02/09/2006 A search of the registration databse indicates that the registration is in question:Aircraft Description Serial Number 6-5301 Type Registration Individual Manufacturer Name ZENITH AIRCRAFT CO Certificate Issue Date None Model ZODIAC 601XL Status In Question Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating Pending Number Change None Dealer No Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50014306 MFR Year 2002 Fractional Owner --------Registered Owner Name REGISTRATION PENDING Street 1330 MAGNOLIA AVE City MODESTO State CALIFORNIA Zip Code 95350-5265 County STANISLAUS Country UNITED STATES ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:01 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower I have used them in some panels. What I use when installing them is a little amount of epoxy putty, the one that comes in two sticks and they blend with the fingers. Well, given my poor explanation, :-) I aply a little amount betwen the rivnut and the skin before pressing it, then wipe the excess, is like welding the rivnut in place. The bolts I install them with a drop of linseed (sp?) oil, to prevent corrosion. I used them in my 701 to install the LRI and Pitot plates, which I plan to remove every year to clean and inspect. Once I installed some in my old ultralight have 5 years there, without removing and last saturday I removed tested the bolts and they worked out ok. I think one important thing is the amount of potential corrosion in your area (sea breeze) to get the bolts freezed, removing them for mantainance at least once a year, may not get enough corrosion to "weld" to the rivnut. Corrosion of the bolt is the problem. The anchor nuts are better used for more structural and permanent attachments where holding the nut with a wrench is not possible, Yes is perfectly OK to use them. more work, more weight and more expensive... Saludos Gary Gower. Cleone Markwell wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell Scott, About 15 yrs ago while building my first plane I bought a kit and supply of rivnuts and didn't like them so haven't used one for years. Problem was the few that turned and the trouble in repairing the problem. Perhaps I didn't learn the proper way to do this if there is one. Best of luck, Cleone At 01:00 PM 1/17/2006, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL > >Fellow builders: > >As you can see from the following photo, I haven't yet >attached my forward, top skin permanently. > >http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_17_06_Panel.jpg > >The first reason is that I have a rat's nest of wires >to be tidied up. The second reason is that I want to >be able to remove it later and haven't decided how >best to do this. > >I have been using rivnuts all over the place for >non-structural applications (like wire-clamps). > >For those of you who are reading and have not >personally installed a rivnut and/or an anchor nut >before, here's the best photo I could find: > >http://www.torquecontrol.ltd.uk/photo2.jpg >or >http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/rivets/rivnuts.jpg > >As opposed to an anchor nut: > >http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/bolts/minianchornut.jpg > >So - after all that - my question is - does anybody >have a good reason why I should not install rivnuts to >hold down the top forward skin with screws? (Besides >the obvious reason that one or two may spin in the >future - I can get back there to hold them if this >happens). > >Thanks in advance for any input, > >Scott Laughlin >www.cooknwithgas.com > >DO NOT ARCHIVE --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:05 AM PST US From: Bob Miller Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob Miller I'm thinking of putting flat lock-washers on the backside of the rivnuts before rivetting them. Anybody have any experience with this? -- Bob Miller 601HD N722Z Charlottesville, Virginia ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:43 AM PST US From: xl Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N105RH --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl >From the Modesto Bee: http://www.modbee.com/local/story/11785074p-12504056c.html Plane crash kills 2 Former MID chairman and flight school owner die in Oakdale orchard By ADAM ASHTONand TIM MORAN, BEE STAFF WRITERS Last Updated: February 9, 2006, 04:29:16 AM PST OAKDALE, A two-seat airplane crashed Wednesday afternoon, killing a prominent Modesto businessman and a flight school owner near Oakdale Airport. Sources close to the investigation said the victims were former Modesto Irrigation District Chairman Chuck Billington, 65, and Modesto Flight Center co-owner Dave Mesenhimer, 61. Billington's plane, believed to be a Zenith Zodiac 601 SL, went down at 3:18 p.m. in an orchard off Sierra Road, Stanislaus County sheriff's Sgt. Mike Parker said. Parker said it wasn't clear where or when the plane had taken off. He also said he wasn't sure whether the plane was landing at Oakdale Airport. ......... ......... On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 kim.forest@surewest.net wrote: > Does anyone have any details? Our thoughts are with them... > do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:32 AM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" Don't think it is a good idea from a dissimilar metals standpoint. They already stand proud as it is. The washer would only make it worse. Cy Galley - Chair, Air Emergency Aircraft Repair A Service Project of Chapter 75 EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Miller" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob Miller > > I'm thinking of putting flat lock-washers on the backside of the > rivnuts before rivetting them. Anybody have any experience with this? > -- > Bob Miller > 601HD N722Z > Charlottesville, Virginia > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:34 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: XL firewall/motor-mount: bolts or studs --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" My relatively old XL kit came with brackets to attach the motor mount to the firewall via studs welded to the brackets. Lately I have seen pictures where the motor mount is fastened to the firewall via bolts. In other words with my brackets what you see on the engine side of the firewall is a nut on a stud holding the motor mount to the firewall. But in this apparently new design what you see is the head of a bolt which, presumably, is threaded into a captive nut on the bracket. Does anyone know if what I am seeing is true? If so when did the change happen and why? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:34 PM PST US From: mcr01steiner@mac.com Subject: Zenith-List: green scotchbrite and corrosion --> Zenith-List message posted by: mcr01steiner@mac.com The operating instructions that came with the Sanchem Safegard CC-6100 state to use the provided abrasive pad to prepare the surface. Since there was none supplied I used some of the green stuff that I've bought at a local store. A couple of days after the conversion coating treatment the parts looked like this: http://homepage.mac.com/csteiner/PhotoAlbum9.html . Looks like corrosion to me ! Any ideas what to do with these parts now? I' ve treated the stabilizer skeleton parts and riveted them befor I noticed the problem. Christoph Steiner 601 XL Am Montag, 06.02.06, um 22:01 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Thilo Kind: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Green dust??? Sounds, like you are using the green Scotchbrite. No good for aluminum. Use only the darl red stuff. Happy building Thilo Kind ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:49 PM PST US From: "Brad Cohen" Subject: Zenith-List: 0.02 worth --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" O.K., I have been sitting back watching the Scotch-Brite "discussion" from the sidelines, so now I am gonna weigh in. I called 3M consumer division this afternoon and asked about the abrasive agent in the green pads I was told by a rep from 3M that the abrasive in the green and maroon Scotch-Brite pads both is Alumimun Oxide. As a matter of fact, she told me that the only difference between the two was the abrasiveness (grit), the green more coarse. She is supposed to be faxing me the MSDS/product description showing Aluminum Oxide as the abrasive agent. Hopefully it will be legible enough to scan into the computer and save as a .DOC file,. If those two stipulations are met, I will try to make it availiable to any other interested people/persons/builders...etc Just my $0.02 worth Brad Cohen 601xl tail & wings Scotch-Brited, prepped and primed! Archieve at your leisure ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:02 PM PST US From: Mike Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL firewall/motor-mount: bolts or studs --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike > My relatively old XL kit came with brackets to attach the motor > mount to the firewall via studs welded to the brackets. That's the way mine is set up, and it now has an engine hanging on it so I hope it's ok! Mike Fortunato 601 XL, Jab 3300 do not archive --------------------------------- Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:22 PM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" Bob, I agree with Cy, the washers under the rivnuts is not a good idea. In fact as I've said here before, after about 50 years of messing around this stuff I only used rivnuts for interior panels and things like that . In fact I don't use them at all anymore. Go to the effort of installing "Nutplates" (there are many different kinds for different applications) especially in locations where you will be removing the screws or bolts on a regular basis. Since the introduction of 3/32" pull or blind rivets used for attachment, it is fairly easy to install nutplates. No need to use a rivet gun and bucking bar . Go for nutplates every time and leave those antique rivnuts in the bin! Jim Hoak do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Miller" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob Miller > > I'm thinking of putting flat lock-washers on the backside of the > rivnuts before rivetting them. Anybody have any experience with this? > -- > Bob Miller > 601HD N722Z > Charlottesville, Virginia > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:36 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: The weight of Primer From: "Ron Lendon" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" Here are some of my findings as I decided what primer to use and how to apply. I wanted to use Zinc Chromate, don't know why, and could only find it locally in a rattle can at West Marine. Paid the high price and applied it, the following is my notes: > The Marine Zinc Chromate in the rattle can didn't stick as well as I thought it should have and it was covering more area than necessary, so. . . > > I decided to remove it with Laquer Thinner. Had to be very careful with the skeleton and only used a moist rag rather than a soaked rag. Didn't want the thinner getting between the areas already riveted. > > The Skin Weight before removal was 3 pounds. > After 2 pounds 13oz. > > Skeleton weight before 1 pounds 10oz. > After 1 pound 8oz. > > > I will weight them both again when I brush on the Self Etching primer. > > Using Dupont Variprime 615S Primer and 616S Converter (activator). Mix it up in small batches and it goes a long way using a brush. > > After priming the skin weight is 2 pounds 14 ounces. > > After priming skeleton the weight is 1 pound 10 ounces. > > Now you must understand the scale I used is not calibrated and it is for weighing packages for UPS. Over all it looks like I saved 2 ounces on the skin and nothing on the structure, but the end result looks a lot better and the 615S sticks real good. Surface prep was the same for either primer. Scuff with 7447 Maroon ScotchBrite, Wipe with Laquer Thinner till the cloth stays clean. I applied two coats with a 1 bristle brush. No booth required. More pictures at I plan on riveting it all together tomorrow and getting on to the stabilizer next. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11139#11139 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:43 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute From: "Tommy Walker" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" Listers, I drilled the strut bottom plate on my 701 Nose Gear. I clamped the Fork and Fork Doubler to the plate and sat the parts down to get my drill ready to drill through the pilot holes. I noticed that the strut seemed to be listing to one side (I was not in the Navy, but like that word "listing"). I got my square out and placed it flat against the bottom plate. When I pulled it up to the strut, there appears to be at 10-12 mm difference between the bottom and the top. In other words, it looks like the strut is not welded flat against the bottom plate. Has anyone else had this to happen? Is it out of tolerance? It seems to me that if it is left in this condition, then tire will set at an angle. I sent the picture to Nick at ZAC, but havent heard back yet. Thanks for any/all replies. I'm attaching a picture. -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11140#11140 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ngstrut_427.jpg ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:57 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Sadly the list software discards attachments. The three solutions I know of are: 1. Post the picture on some web page and send a link to it. 2. Contribute the picture to the Matronics photo-share page for this list 3. Send the picture directly to anyone who expresses interest. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Walker Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" Listers, I drilled the strut bottom plate on my 701 Nose Gear. I clamped the Fork and Fork Doubler to the plate and sat the parts down to get my drill ready to drill through the pilot holes. I noticed that the strut seemed to be listing to one side (I was not in the Navy, but like that word "listing"). I got my square out and placed it flat against the bottom plate. When I pulled it up to the strut, there appears to be at 10-12 mm difference between the bottom and the top. In other words, it looks like the strut is not welded flat against the bottom plate. Has anyone else had this to happen? Is it out of tolerance? It seems to me that if it is left in this condition, then tire will set at an angle. I sent the picture to Nick at ZAC, but havent heard back yet. Thanks for any/all replies. I'm attaching a picture. -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11140#11140 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ngstrut_427.jpg ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:07 PM PST US From: Mike Sinclair Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair Click on the link at the bottom of the message, right under where it says attachments. Takes you right to the picture. Do Not Archive Craig Payne wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > > Sadly the list software discards attachments. The three solutions I know of > are: > > 1. Post the picture on some web page and send a link to it. > 2. Contribute the picture to the Matronics photo-share page for this list > 3. Send the picture directly to anyone who expresses interest. > > -- Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Walker > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:47 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" > > Listers, > > I drilled the strut bottom plate on my 701 Nose Gear. I clamped the Fork > and Fork Doubler to the plate and sat the parts down to get my drill ready > to drill through the pilot holes. I noticed that the strut seemed to be > listing to one side (I was not in the Navy, but like that word "listing"). > > I got my square out and placed it flat against the bottom plate. When I > pulled it up to the strut, there appears to be at 10-12 mm difference > between the bottom and the top. In other words, it looks like the strut is > not welded flat against the bottom plate. > > Has anyone else had this to happen? Is it out of tolerance? It seems to me > that if it is left in this condition, then tire will set at an angle. > > I sent the picture to Nick at ZAC, but havent heard back yet. > > Thanks for any/all replies. I'm attaching a picture. > > -------- > Tommy Walker > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11140#11140 > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ngstrut_427.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:37 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Learn something everyday! Was this part of the list software or has this feature always existed? I like the aircraft prototype leaning against the window glass. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sinclair Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair Click on the link at the bottom of the message, right under where it says attachments. Takes you right to the picture. Do Not Archive Craig Payne wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > --> > > Sadly the list software discards attachments. The three solutions I > know of > are: > > 1. Post the picture on some web page and send a link to it. > 2. Contribute the picture to the Matronics photo-share page for this > list 3. Send the picture directly to anyone who expresses interest. > > -- Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy > Walker > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:47 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" > --> > > Listers, > > I drilled the strut bottom plate on my 701 Nose Gear. I clamped the > Fork and Fork Doubler to the plate and sat the parts down to get my > drill ready to drill through the pilot holes. I noticed that the > strut seemed to be listing to one side (I was not in the Navy, but like that word "listing"). > > I got my square out and placed it flat against the bottom plate. When > I pulled it up to the strut, there appears to be at 10-12 mm > difference between the bottom and the top. In other words, it looks > like the strut is not welded flat against the bottom plate. > > Has anyone else had this to happen? Is it out of tolerance? It seems > to me that if it is left in this condition, then tire will set at an angle. > > I sent the picture to Nick at ZAC, but havent heard back yet. > > Thanks for any/all replies. I'm attaching a picture. > > -------- > Tommy Walker > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11140#11140 > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ngstrut_427.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:39 PM PST US From: Mike Sinclair Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair Maybe Matt (or someone else) can clarify how this works. I just seen the link and tried it, and it worked! Think I've seen similar on a couple of other list postings recently. Whatever, I like the feature. And I noticed the prototype first thing also. Mike Do Not Archive Craig Payne wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > > Learn something everyday! Was this part of the list software or has this > feature always existed? > > I like the aircraft prototype leaning against the window glass. > > -- Craig ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:08 PM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Tommy, You're right, you need to fix it or it will "list" a bit and never look right as well. You might even have a one-sided torque on touchdown. It would appear that you need to saw off the plate, place the top end in a lathe and the other near-end in a steady rest and re cut the end face of the tube to square it. I can't imagine any other way to square one end as perfectly. Presume the tube was cut on a saw or the jig was not square when tacked. Lots of ways to not get this right. Not too hard to fix after cutting it apart and then squaring it off with a square placed against the side and across the end to check progress correcting it. Care in welding a new plate square is even more important.in all three axis. If they are willing to replace it for you with a "good one" that might be your easiest course of action. But don't accept the idea of shimming it to square. Good luck, Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Tommy Walker wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" > >Listers, > >I drilled the strut bottom plate on my 701 Nose Gear. I clamped the Fork and Fork Doubler to the plate and sat the parts down to get my drill ready to drill through the pilot holes. I noticed that the strut seemed to be listing to one side (I was not in the Navy, but like that word "listing"). > >I got my square out and placed it flat against the bottom plate. When I pulled it up to the strut, there appears to be at 10-12 mm difference between the bottom and the top. In other words, it looks like the strut is not welded flat against the bottom plate. > >Has anyone else had this to happen? Is it out of tolerance? It seems to me that if it is left in this condition, then tire will set at an angle. > >I sent the picture to Nick at ZAC, but havent heard back yet. > >Thanks for any/all replies. I'm attaching a picture. > >-------- >Tommy Walker > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11140#11140 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/ngstrut_427.jpg > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:10 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute From: "Tommy Walker" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" Mike and Craig, I think this has just come about with the new Forums BBS. Have you joined it? http://forums.matronics.com/ Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive mike.sinclair(at)ATT.NET wrote: > Maybe Matt (or someone else) can clarify how this works. I just seen the link > and tried it, and it worked! Think I've seen similar on a couple of other list > postings recently. Whatever, I like the feature. And I noticed the prototype > first thing also. > > Mike > Do Not Archive > > Craig Payne wrote: > > > > > > > > Learn something everyday! Was this part of the list software or has this > > feature always existed? > > > > I like the aircraft prototype leaning against the window glass. > > > > -- Craig > > > > > -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11178#11178 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:27 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com Tommy I never checked mine but that sure doesn't look right. Bob Spudis N701ZX do not archive In a message dated 2/9/2006 6:49:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, twalker@cableone.net writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" Listers, I drilled the strut bottom plate on my 701 Nose Gear. I clamped the Fork and Fork Doubler to the plate and sat the parts down to get my drill ready to drill through the pilot holes. I noticed that the strut seemed to be listing to one side (I was not in the Navy, but like that word "listing"). I got my square out and placed it flat against the bottom plate. When I pulled it up to the strut, there appears to be at 10-12 mm difference between the bottom and the top. In other words, it looks like the strut is not welded flat against the bottom plate. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:06 PM PST US From: doug kandle Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute --> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle I just went downstairs and checked my gear. Mine is square. I'm sure ZAC will replace it. At 04:46 PM 2/9/2006, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" > >Listers, > >I drilled the strut bottom plate on my 701 Nose Gear. I clamped the >Fork and Fork Doubler to the plate and sat the parts down to get my >drill ready to drill through the pilot holes. I noticed that the >strut seemed to be listing to one side (I was not in the Navy, but >like that word "listing"). > >I got my square out and placed it flat against the bottom >plate. When I pulled it up to the strut, there appears to be at >10-12 mm difference between the bottom and the top. In other words, >it looks like the strut is not welded flat against the bottom plate. > >Has anyone else had this to happen? Is it out of tolerance? It >seems to me that if it is left in this condition, then tire will set >at an angle. > >I sent the picture to Nick at ZAC, but havent heard back yet. > >Thanks for any/all replies. I'm attaching a picture. > >-------- >Tommy Walker > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11140#11140 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/ngstrut_427.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:09 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ye Olde Nose Geare Strute --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Neither me, in this flying time (35 hrs) never noted anything, just for curiosity I will check it saturday... Probably not, flys great and no time to make "repairs" now :-) Now that you mention it, I also kind of noted the engine mount not straight, came twisted to one side, but flys great so I left it as is :-) :-) ;-) Saludos Gary Gower Couldnt resist... DO NOT ARCHIVE. NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com Tommy I never checked mine but that sure doesn't look right. Bob Spudis N701ZX do not archive In a message dated 2/9/2006 6:49:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, twalker@cableone.net writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" Listers, I drilled the strut bottom plate on my 701 Nose Gear. I clamped the Fork and Fork Doubler to the plate and sat the parts down to get my drill ready to drill through the pilot holes. I noticed that the strut seemed to be listing to one side (I was not in the Navy, but like that word "listing"). I got my square out and placed it flat against the bottom plate. When I pulled it up to the strut, there appears to be at 10-12 mm difference between the bottom and the top. In other words, it looks like the strut is not welded flat against the bottom plate. ---------------------------------