Zenith-List Digest Archive

Sun 02/12/06


Total Messages Posted: 19



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:19 AM - Scotchbrite (lufthund)
     2. 06:19 AM - Re: 601 HDS Kit + Jabiru 3300A Engine + FWF for sale + Extras (Nate and Rusty Schiff)
     3. 06:31 AM - Mice and Storage (Roland Smith)
     4. 08:42 AM - Re: Construction Manual ? (Larry McFarland)
     5. 08:50 AM - Re: Mice and Storage (Mike Sinclair)
     6. 08:53 AM - Re: Mice and Storage (n801bh@netzero.com)
     7. 09:27 AM - Re: Mice and Storage (Paul Mulwitz)
     8. 09:55 AM - Re: Scotchbrite (Jeff Davidson)
     9. 10:22 AM - Re: Jabiru FWF kit for the XL (T. Graziano)
    10. 10:35 AM - Re: Mice and Storage (Flydog1966@aol.com)
    11. 12:31 PM - Re: Construction Manual ? (Dave VanLanen)
    12. 03:50 PM - Re: Construction Manual ? (ROBERT SCEPPA)
    13. 05:26 PM - Re: Mice and Storage (N5SL)
    14. 05:36 PM - Re: Mice and Storage (Gary A. Boothe)
    15. 06:04 PM - Re: for sale (Jim Pellien)
    16. 06:12 PM - Re: Construction Manual ? (lynn dingfelder)
    17. 07:09 PM - Re: for sale (Allen Ricks)
    18. 07:28 PM - Re: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? (Bob Miller)
    19. 08:16 PM - Re: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? (cgalley)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:19:06 AM PST US
    From: "lufthund" <lufthund@enter.net>
    Subject: Scotchbrite
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lufthund" <lufthund@enter.net> Any chance of reserving all future discussions of the green variety of scotchbrite for the upcoming St. Paddy's Day? :-) BoB W Do not archive


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    Time: 06:19:06 AM PST US
    From: "Nate and Rusty Schiff" <natrus@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: 601 HDS Kit + Jabiru 3300A Engine + FWF for sale + Extras
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Nate and Rusty Schiff" <natrus@comcast.net> February 12th, 2006 I posted an incorrect reply email. The corrected Yahoo reply is: natrus_2710t@yahoo.com or reply directly to: natrus@comcast.net The original message was: "Zenith-List message posted by: "Nate and Rusty Schiff" <natrus@comcast.net> on February 10, 2006 601HDS Kit, Jabiru 3300A engine new in crate, fire wall forward, most engine instruments, strobes, warning lights, running lights, landing lights, canopy kit, brakes kit, leading edge tanks, for sale. Tail feathers 98 percent. Port wing ready for wiring and plumbing. Good workmanship. Fully documented and logged. Zenith Bill of Sale. EAA inspected. Best bet is to arrange pickup in South Carolina. Email if interested reply to natrus_2710t@yahoo.com for inventory. Will reply when inventory completed. Best offer over undisclosed reserve buys all. To crate completed components will be to expensive for buyer so think pick up. Non current medical and no time to complete prompts sale." Selling as one complete lot. Kit, motor, instruments, and extras. If anyone is interested reply to: natrus_2710t@yahoo.com or natrus@comcast.net Nate Schiff Charleston, South Carolina natrus@ <mailto:natrus@comcast.net> comcast.net <mailto:natrus@comcast.net>


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    Time: 06:31:00 AM PST US
    From: "Roland Smith" <docponds@sover.net>
    Subject: Mice and Storage
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roland Smith" <docponds@sover.net> I am nearing completion of the right wing for my 701. I plan to store it on a shelf in my barn/workshop while working on the rest of the plane. There is a major mouse problem which has not responded well to traps and anticoagulant poison. I am considering the temporary closure of all wing openings with aluminum mesh and also using moth balls, perhaps loading the moth balls into a pvc tube with small holes and then placing the tube through the forward rib holes. Any suggestions? My concerns include naphtha ( moth balls) and corrosion. Roland Smith, Bennington, Vermont 701 from kit.


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    Time: 08:42:33 AM PST US
    From: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
    Subject: Re: Construction Manual ?
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com> Lynn, You and Nick have a disconnect in communication somewhere. The drawings are accompanied by a rather good construction manual, a CD and lots of pictorial content. You should revisit what you received and then express more clearly what you're missing. I'm sure there's just a misunderstanding here. Stay cool,,,,,,, Larry McFarland do not archive lynn dingfelder wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com> > > I keep hearing about the "Construction Manual". I picked up my 601 kit at Zenith last Monday. I asked Nick where the construction manual was, and he gave me a puzzled look and referred me to the drawings, which I already have. Is there more? I have no "page 11" in my drawings. > Lynn Dingfelder > Corry, PA > > > >


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    Time: 08:50:58 AM PST US
    From: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@ATT.NET>
    Subject: Re: Mice and Storage
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net> Cats? Three or four mousers will do wonders. Just enough dry food to keep em around. If they don't hunt, get rid of them and get a new batch. There is always someone trying to get rid of kittens. The biggest problem I have around here is mud daubers. That's where the moth balls seem to help somewhat. I just don't put them in the plane. Do Not Archive Roland Smith wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roland Smith" <docponds@sover.net> > > I am nearing completion of the right wing for my 701. I plan to store it on a shelf in my barn/workshop while working on the rest of the plane. There is a major mouse problem which has not responded well to traps and anticoagulant poison. I am considering the temporary closure of all wing openings with aluminum mesh and also using moth balls, perhaps loading the moth balls into a pvc tube with small holes and then placing the tube through the forward rib holes. > > Any suggestions? My concerns include naphtha ( moth balls) and corrosion. > > Roland Smith, Bennington, Vermont 701 from kit. > >


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    Time: 08:53:31 AM PST US
    From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
    Subject: Re: Mice and Storage
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com> I am nearing completion of the right wing for my 701. I plan to store it on a shelf in my barn/workshop while working on the rest of the plane. There is a major mouse problem which has not responded well to traps and anticoagulant poison. I am considering the temporary closure of all wing openings with aluminum mesh and also using moth balls, perhaps loading the moth balls into a pvc tube with small holes and then placing the tube through the forward rib holes. Any suggestions? My concerns include naphtha ( moth balls) and corrosion. Roland Smith, Bennington, Vermont 701 from kit. ///////////////////////////////////////////// For what it's worth. I had a packrat crawl into my wings during storage and they chewed on my wiring going to the tip lights and strobes. I had to put in some inspection holes to fix the mess. My advise is to seal all the holes tightly, kill every mouse you see and hope for the best. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com I am nearing completion of the right wing for my 701. I plan to store it on a shelf in my barn/workshop while working on the rest of the plane. There is a major mouse problem which has not responded well to traps and anticoagulant poison. I am considering the temporary closure of all wing openings with aluminum mesh and also using moth balls, perhaps loading the moth balls into a pvc tube with small holes and then placing the tube through the forward rib holes. Any suggestions? My concerns include naphtha ( moth balls) and corrosion. Roland Smith, Bennington, Vermont 701 from kit. ///////////////////////////////////////////// For what it's worth. I had a packrat crawl into my wings during storage and they chewed onmy wiring going to the tip lights and strobes.I had to put in some inspection holes to fix the mess. My advise is to seal all the holes tightly, kill every mouse you see and hope for the best. do not archive BenHaas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com


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    Time: 09:27:04 AM PST US
    From: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
    Subject: Re: Mice and Storage
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> Get a cat. do not archive. Paul XL wings >I am nearing completion of the right wing for my 701. I plan to >store it on a shelf in my barn/workshop while working on the rest of >the plane. There is a major mouse problem which has not responded >well to traps and anticoagulant poison. I am considering the >temporary closure of all wing openings with aluminum mesh and >also using moth balls, perhaps loading the moth balls into a pvc >tube with small holes and then placing the tube through the forward rib holes. > >Any suggestions? My concerns include naphtha ( moth balls) and corrosion. > >Roland Smith, Bennington, Vermont 701 from kit. > ---


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    Time: 09:55:54 AM PST US
    From: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Scotchbrite
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net> Any chance of reserving all future discussions of the green variety of scotchbrite for the upcoming St. Paddy's Day? :-) While I agree that the Scotchbrite discussion has had its funny moments, at the core of the concern is the fact that ZAC considered there to be enough of a concern to bring it to everyone's attention. Believe me, just mention corrosion protection in general and the discussion among builders will take off almost anytime. It is something of concern to most of us. For those of us who are not as well versed in metallurgy, we don't know what to be concerned about and what to ignore. Paint preparation is also a concern for those of us that don't paint for a living. For those that might have used the "wrong" Scotchbrite, I can guarantee you that this is a real concern. At least now there is a little better understanding of what the concern is. Namely, the abrasive should be aluminum oxide. Hopefully that will be the answer that sticks over time. I apologize in advance for the "lecture". Jeff Davidson


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    Time: 10:22:22 AM PST US
    From: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Jabiru FWF kit for the XL
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net> I received my 3300A Engine and FWF with cabin heat option from Jabiru USA in late 2004. First flew in July 2005. FWF had the redesigned cowling. I also procured the Grand Rapids EIS via Jabiru USA . The engine is a piece of art. The fit and finish of the fiberglass cowling and other fiberglass parts, engine mount and other hardware was very good. All fasteners, tubing, actuation cables, air filter, oil filter etc. were supplied. The prop was drop shipped from Sensenich and I received it about 6 weeks after I received the engine. (One reason possibly not stocked at Jabiru is because you pick the color) The EIS is really a great instrument IMO and easy to read. You can set limits for many engine parameters and it will notify you if they are exceeded. I also use it to remind me to switch tanks. Jabiru can tell you how long it will take for you to receive the engine and FWF No problems receiving any help or getting any questions answered from Jabiru USA. Would highly recommend. Tony Graziano 601XL N493TG 65 hrs. --------------------------------------- From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com> Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru FWF kit for the XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com> Does anyone have opinions about Jabiru's firewall-forward kit for the XL? Pro, con, fit and finish, ease of assembly, performance once in the air, etc. This would be for their "newer" kit. I understand they did a redesign a year or so ago. And how is it dealing with Jabiru USA? Do they deliver what they promise by the date they promise it? -- Craig From: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Jabiru FWF kit for the XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net> Does anyone have opinions about Jabiru's firewall-forward kit for the XL? I can answer part of this: After attending the maintenance course in Shelbyville last August, I decided to purchase both the FWF kit and a 3300A. Neither is yet installed. However, delivery was not a problem. The container shipment that included the engine bought had already been ordered when I placed my order with JabiruUSA. The prop is shipped directly from Sensenich. Due to their (Sensenich's) government related contracts, the prop took the longest to arrive, about 45 days after everything else. JabiruUSA was easy to work with, happy to respond in a timely fashion, and always easy to contact, but you do have to think for yourself and ask the right questions. They don't hold your hand. Others that attended the course and bought about the same time are further along installing the FWF and engine. Jeff Davidson


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    Time: 10:35:32 AM PST US
    From: Flydog1966@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Mice and Storage
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com In a message dated 2/12/2006 11:52:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mike.sinclair@ATT.NET writes: Cats? Three or four mousers will do wonders. Just enough dry food to keep em around. If they don't hunt, get rid of them and get a new batch. Umm...if I put cats in the wing,how do clean up after them? And what if P.E.T.A. gets wind of this? do not archive


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    Time: 12:31:00 PM PST US
    From: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Construction Manual ?
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net> Hi Lynn, When I ordered my 601 XL kit, Zenith sent me the plans ahead of time, packed in a box. Along with the plans was a white 1" soft-cover 3-ring binder. On the inside of the front cover is a CD containing the Photo Assembly Guides. In this binder are a number of things: A a page with check boxes indicating that I received the drawings, construction manual with weight & balance form, and CD-ROM photo assembly guide. Next is an introductory one page letter to the new builder, containing your aircraft's serial number. Next is a page regarding customer service, the Zenair newsletter, EAA, and the Zenith builder network. The next page has some information on the Zenair News newsletter. The next page has a Zenith order form. Then there is an 18 page "Construction Manual". It contains general information that should be read prior to starting building, such as working tolerances, edge distances (for riveting), information on aluminum materials used in the kits, information on hardware and blind rivets, guidelines for working with sheet metal and tools, deburring techniques, corrosion protection, etc. If you attended the workshop, you will notice that the information in this manual overlaps quite a bit with the information found in the rudder workshop manual, althought there are some differences. I hope this helps. I've gotten a lot of help so far from the fine folks on this list site, so I'd like to be able to start giving back once in awhile. Dave Van Lanen Madison, WI 601 XL - FINALLY started building (stabilizer) yesterday Time: 08:59:55 PM PST US From: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com> Subject: Zenith-List: Construction Manual ? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com> I keep hearing about the "Construction Manual". I picked up my 601 kit at Zenith last Monday. I asked Nick where the construction manual was, and he gave me a puzzled look and referred me to the drawings, which I already have. Is there more? I have no "page 11" in my drawings. Lynn Dingfelder Corry, PA


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    Time: 03:50:18 PM PST US
    From: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Construction Manual ?
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com> > By the way, like to know how many women involved in > building Zeniths no offense to you Lynn just would > like to know that women are intersted in building > and flying the 601 & 701...Thanks to all, B Sceppa --- Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com> wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland > <larrymc@qconline.com> > > Lynn, > You and Nick have a disconnect in communication > somewhere. The drawings > are accompanied by a rather good construction > manual, a CD and lots > of pictorial content. You should revisit what you > received and then > express more clearly what you're missing. I'm sure > there's just a > misunderstanding > here. Stay cool,,,,,,, > > Larry McFarland > do not archive > > lynn dingfelder wrote: > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn > dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com> > > > > I keep hearing about the "Construction > Manual". I picked up my 601 kit at Zenith last > Monday. I asked Nick where the construction manual > was, and he gave me a puzzled look and referred me > to the drawings, which I already have. Is there > more? I have no "page 11" in my drawings. > > > Lynn Dingfelder > > > Corry, PA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:26:33 PM PST US
    From: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Mice and Storage
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com> Stuff all the openings with green Scotchbrite. I hear mice hate the stuff. --- Roland Smith <docponds@sover.net> wrote: > I am nearing completion of the right wing for my > 701. I plan to store it on a shelf in my > barn/workshop while working on the rest of the > plane. There is a major mouse problem DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 05:36:08 PM PST US
    From: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
    Subject: Re: Mice and Storage
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com> Yeah, but is it because of the silicon or the silicone? Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca <gboothe@calply.com> 601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete Tail Group - complete. Working on Wings... DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!! > Stuff all the openings with green Scotchbrite. I hear > mice hate the stuff. > > > > --- Roland Smith <docponds@sover.net> wrote: > >> I am nearing completion of the right wing for my >> 701. I plan to store it on a shelf in my >> barn/workshop while working on the rest of the >> plane. There is a major mouse problem > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:04:02 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
    Subject: for sale
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com> Peter, Can your airplane be grandfathered in as an ELSA with Commercial training privileges thru 2010? Jim Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Drzymala Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Zenith-List: for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Drzymala" <pdrzymala@nycap.rr.com> my zenith 601xl is for sale.power 912s, 100 hp pdrzymala@nycap.rr.com


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    Time: 06:12:18 PM PST US
    From: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
    Subject: Re: Construction Manual ?
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com> Dave, Robert and Larry, Thanks for the responses. I finally found what I was needing. I have to plead guilty to not examining the CD well enough, the info is all there. Nick didn't happen to point out that the CD contained the step by step procedures (or I didn't understand him correctly). Inventory complete, and ready to start pullin' rivits! Well, maybe that's an exaggeration, but I'm at least ready to start some serious head scratchin' I can't enlighten the list as for as female involvement. I've been getting mailed Victorias Secret catalogs most of my life, but I'm male. (I still look at the catalogs!) Lynn Corry, PA


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    Time: 07:09:49 PM PST US
    From: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
    Subject: for sale
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net> Hi Jim, I think the only aircraft that qualify for "grandfather" status under the E-LSA rules are fat ultralights. In the world of experimental aircraft, I think only those aircraft with serial numbers after the first "certified" S-LSA aircraft or E-LSA aircraft of a particular make qualify for E-LSA status. Thus I believe only Zenith aircraft with a serial number higher than the first S-LSA or E-LSA produced of the zenith make. Even then I believe that it has to be produced using an "approved" set of plans and kit that meet the "industry standard" and constructed exactly as the plan set states. Unfortunately I don't think any such plans or kit exist for the Zenith line yet. I could be completely wrong though. I've read the LSA rules a huge number of times and don't understand them all. My understanding is that as of today there are S-LSA aircraft, production aircraft that meet the light sport standard, experimental aircraft that meet the light sport standard, and "fat" ultralights that meet the standard for transition to E-lsa. I don't believe that any aircraft have been as yet certified as E-LSA, though many may qualify in the future if their makers decide to do so. The other way you can get an E-lsa is to buy a S-LSA and transition it with the FAA to experimental status, but I would think this would de-value the aircraft significantly. I have seen very specific statements from the EAA that say once an aircraft is certified as an experimental, it CANNOT be re-certified as an E-LSA, so that route would not work If your understanding is different please let me know for a supposed "simple" rule, the light sport stuff is mind bendingly complex. Allen Ricks Beaverton, OR. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Pellien Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com> Peter, Can your airplane be grandfathered in as an ELSA with Commercial training privileges thru 2010? Jim Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Drzymala Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Zenith-List: for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Drzymala" <pdrzymala@nycap.rr.com> my zenith 601xl is for sale.power 912s, 100 hp pdrzymala@nycap.rr.com


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    Time: 07:28:00 PM PST US
    From: Bob Miller <tutuzulu@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts?
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob Miller <tutuzulu@gmail.com> Thanks Jim. I just found out that ACSpruce sells "keyed rivnuts", apparently to keep them from spinning out. What would you think of these for a place that needs rare accessing, mainly for inspections? Nut plates won't work in the forward top skin I'm working on. I'm sure I'll need to get to the fuel tank someday. Bob Say, what days do you think I'll be able to help you at Sun 'n Fun? On 2/9/06, Jim Hoak <planejim@bellsouth.net> wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net> > > Bob, > > I agree with Cy, the washers under the rivnuts is not a good idea. In fact > as I've said here before, after about 50 years of messing around this stuff > I only used rivnuts for interior panels and things like that . In fact I > don't use them at all anymore. Go to the effort of installing "Nutplates" > (there are many different kinds for different applications) especially in > locations where you will be removing the screws or bolts on a regular basis. > Since the introduction of 3/32" pull or blind rivets used for attachment, it > is fairly easy to install nutplates. No need to use a rivet gun and bucking > bar . Go for nutplates every time and leave those antique rivnuts in the > bin! > > Jim Hoak > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Miller" <tutuzulu@gmail.com> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob Miller <tutuzulu@gmail.com> > > > > I'm thinking of putting flat lock-washers on the backside of the > > rivnuts before rivetting them. Anybody have any experience with this? > > -- > > Bob Miller > > 601HD N722Z > > Charlottesville, Virginia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Bob Miller 601HD N722Z Charlottesville, Virginia


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    From: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
    Subject: Re: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts?
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> Riv-nuts are aluminum, Soft Aluminum. Put a steel screw or a SS screw and dis-similar metal reaction creates corrosion. Even the keyed Riv-nuts are a pain. Install nut plates is possible and be done with it. Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair A Service Project of Chapter 75 EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Miller" <tutuzulu@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob Miller <tutuzulu@gmail.com> > > Thanks Jim. > I just found out that ACSpruce sells "keyed rivnuts", apparently to > keep them from spinning out. What would you think of these for a > place that needs rare accessing, mainly for inspections? Nut plates > won't work in the forward top skin I'm working on. I'm sure I'll need > to get to the fuel tank someday. > Bob > Say, what days do you think I'll be able to help you at Sun 'n Fun? > > > On 2/9/06, Jim Hoak <planejim@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net> >> >> Bob, >> >> I agree with Cy, the washers under the rivnuts is not a good idea. In >> fact >> as I've said here before, after about 50 years of messing around this >> stuff >> I only used rivnuts for interior panels and things like that . In fact I >> don't use them at all anymore. Go to the effort of installing "Nutplates" >> (there are many different kinds for different applications) especially in >> locations where you will be removing the screws or bolts on a regular >> basis. >> Since the introduction of 3/32" pull or blind rivets used for attachment, >> it >> is fairly easy to install nutplates. No need to use a rivet gun and >> bucking >> bar . Go for nutplates every time and leave those antique rivnuts in the >> bin! >> >> Jim Hoak >> do not archive >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Miller" <tutuzulu@gmail.com> >> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:33 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? >> >> >> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob Miller <tutuzulu@gmail.com> >> > >> > I'm thinking of putting flat lock-washers on the backside of the >> > rivnuts before rivetting them. Anybody have any experience with this? >> > -- >> > Bob Miller >> > 601HD N722Z >> > Charlottesville, Virginia >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Bob Miller > 601HD N722Z > Charlottesville, Virginia > > >




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