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1. 06:19 AM - Scotchbrite (lufthund)
2. 06:19 AM - Re: 601 HDS Kit + Jabiru 3300A Engine + FWF for sale + Extras (Nate and Rusty Schiff)
3. 06:31 AM - Mice and Storage (Roland Smith)
4. 08:42 AM - Re: Construction Manual ? (Larry McFarland)
5. 08:50 AM - Re: Mice and Storage (Mike Sinclair)
6. 08:53 AM - Re: Mice and Storage (n801bh@netzero.com)
7. 09:27 AM - Re: Mice and Storage (Paul Mulwitz)
8. 09:55 AM - Re: Scotchbrite (Jeff Davidson)
9. 10:22 AM - Re: Jabiru FWF kit for the XL (T. Graziano)
10. 10:35 AM - Re: Mice and Storage (Flydog1966@aol.com)
11. 12:31 PM - Re: Construction Manual ? (Dave VanLanen)
12. 03:50 PM - Re: Construction Manual ? (ROBERT SCEPPA)
13. 05:26 PM - Re: Mice and Storage (N5SL)
14. 05:36 PM - Re: Mice and Storage (Gary A. Boothe)
15. 06:04 PM - Re: for sale (Jim Pellien)
16. 06:12 PM - Re: Construction Manual ? (lynn dingfelder)
17. 07:09 PM - Re: for sale (Allen Ricks)
18. 07:28 PM - Re: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? (Bob Miller)
19. 08:16 PM - Re: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? (cgalley)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lufthund" <lufthund@enter.net>
Any chance of reserving all future discussions of the green
variety of scotchbrite for the upcoming St. Paddy's Day? :-)
BoB W
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HDS Kit + Jabiru 3300A Engine + FWF for sale + Extras |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Nate and Rusty Schiff" <natrus@comcast.net>
February 12th, 2006
I posted an incorrect reply email. The corrected Yahoo reply is:
natrus_2710t@yahoo.com
or reply directly to:
natrus@comcast.net
The original message was:
"Zenith-List message posted by: "Nate and Rusty Schiff" <natrus@comcast.net>
on February 10, 2006
601HDS Kit, Jabiru 3300A engine new in crate, fire wall forward, most
engine instruments, strobes, warning lights, running lights, landing
lights,
canopy kit, brakes kit, leading edge tanks, for sale.
Tail feathers 98 percent. Port wing ready for wiring and plumbing.
Good
workmanship. Fully documented and logged. Zenith Bill of Sale. EAA
inspected. Best bet is to arrange pickup in South Carolina.
Email if interested reply to natrus_2710t@yahoo.com for inventory.
Will reply when inventory completed. Best offer over undisclosed
reserve
buys all.
To crate completed components will be to expensive for buyer so think
pick
up.
Non current medical and no time to complete prompts sale."
Selling as one complete lot. Kit, motor, instruments, and extras. If
anyone is interested reply to:
natrus_2710t@yahoo.com or natrus@comcast.net
Nate Schiff
Charleston, South Carolina
natrus@ <mailto:natrus@comcast.net> comcast.net <mailto:natrus@comcast.net>
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| Subject: | Mice and Storage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roland Smith" <docponds@sover.net>
I am nearing completion of the right wing for my 701. I plan to store it on
a shelf in my barn/workshop while working on the rest of the plane. There is
a major mouse problem which has not responded well to traps and anticoagulant
poison. I am considering the temporary closure of all wing openings with aluminum
mesh and also using moth balls, perhaps loading the moth balls into
a pvc tube with small holes and then placing the tube through the forward rib
holes.
Any suggestions? My concerns include naphtha ( moth balls) and corrosion.
Roland Smith, Bennington, Vermont 701 from kit.
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| Subject: | Re: Construction Manual ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Lynn,
You and Nick have a disconnect in communication somewhere. The drawings
are accompanied by a rather good construction manual, a CD and lots
of pictorial content. You should revisit what you received and then
express more clearly what you're missing. I'm sure there's just a
misunderstanding
here. Stay cool,,,,,,,
Larry McFarland
do not archive
lynn dingfelder wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
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> I keep hearing about the "Construction Manual". I picked up my 601 kit
at Zenith last Monday. I asked Nick where the construction manual was, and
he gave me a puzzled look and referred me to the drawings, which I already have.
Is there more? I have no "page 11" in my drawings.
> Lynn Dingfelder
> Corry, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Mice and Storage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Cats? Three or four mousers will do wonders. Just enough dry food to keep em around.
If they don't hunt, get rid of them and get a new batch. There is always
someone trying to get rid of kittens. The biggest problem I have around here
is mud daubers. That's where the moth balls seem to help somewhat. I just don't
put them in the plane.
Do Not Archive
Roland Smith wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roland Smith" <docponds@sover.net>
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> I am nearing completion of the right wing for my 701. I plan to store it on
a shelf in my barn/workshop while working on the rest of the plane. There is
a major mouse problem which has not responded well to traps and anticoagulant
poison. I am considering the temporary closure of all wing openings with
aluminum mesh and also using moth balls, perhaps loading the moth balls into
a pvc tube with small holes and then placing the tube through the forward rib
holes.
>
> Any suggestions? My concerns include naphtha ( moth balls) and corrosion.
>
> Roland Smith, Bennington, Vermont 701 from kit.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mice and Storage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
I am nearing completion of the right wing for my 701. I plan to store it on
a
shelf in my barn/workshop while working on the rest of the plane. There is a
major mouse problem which has not responded well to traps and anticoagulant
poison. I am considering the temporary closure of all wing openings with
aluminum mesh and also using moth balls, perhaps loading the moth balls into
a pvc tube with small holes and then placing the tube through the forward rib
holes.
Any suggestions? My concerns include naphtha ( moth balls) and corrosion.
Roland Smith, Bennington, Vermont 701 from kit.
/////////////////////////////////////////////
For what it's worth. I had a packrat crawl into my wings during storage and they
chewed on my wiring going to the tip lights and strobes. I had to put in some
inspection holes to fix the mess. My advise is to seal all the holes tightly,
kill every mouse you see and hope for the best.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
I am nearing completion of the right wing for my 701. I plan to store it on a
shelf in my barn/workshop while working on the rest of the plane. There is a
major mouse problem which has not responded well to traps and anticoagulant
poison. I am considering the temporary closure of all wing openings with
aluminum mesh and also using moth balls, perhaps loading the moth balls into
a pvc tube with small holes and then placing the tube through the forward rib
holes.
Any suggestions? My concerns include naphtha ( moth balls) and corrosion.
Roland Smith, Bennington, Vermont 701 from kit.
/////////////////////////////////////////////
For what it's worth. I had a packrat crawl into my wings during storage and they
chewed onmy wiring going to the tip lights and strobes.I had to put in some
inspection holes to fix the mess. My advise is to seal all the holes tightly,
kill every mouse you see and hope for the best.
do not archive
BenHaas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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| Subject: | Re: Mice and Storage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Get a cat.
do not archive.
Paul
XL wings
>I am nearing completion of the right wing for my 701. I plan to
>store it on a shelf in my barn/workshop while working on the rest of
>the plane. There is a major mouse problem which has not responded
>well to traps and anticoagulant poison. I am considering the
>temporary closure of all wing openings with aluminum mesh and
>also using moth balls, perhaps loading the moth balls into a pvc
>tube with small holes and then placing the tube through the forward rib holes.
>
>Any suggestions? My concerns include naphtha ( moth balls) and corrosion.
>
>Roland Smith, Bennington, Vermont 701 from kit.
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Any chance of reserving all future discussions of the green
variety of scotchbrite for the upcoming St. Paddy's Day? :-)
While I agree that the Scotchbrite discussion has had its funny moments, at
the core of the concern is the fact that ZAC considered there to be enough
of a concern to bring it to everyone's attention. Believe me, just mention
corrosion protection in general and the discussion among builders will take
off almost anytime. It is something of concern to most of us. For those of
us who are not as well versed in metallurgy, we don't know what to be
concerned about and what to ignore. Paint preparation is also a concern for
those of us that don't paint for a living. For those that might have used
the "wrong" Scotchbrite, I can guarantee you that this is a real concern.
At least now there is a little better understanding of what the concern is.
Namely, the abrasive should be aluminum oxide. Hopefully that will be the
answer that sticks over time.
I apologize in advance for the "lecture".
Jeff Davidson
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| Subject: | Jabiru FWF kit for the XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
I received my 3300A Engine and FWF with cabin heat option from Jabiru USA in late
2004. First flew in July 2005. FWF had the redesigned cowling. I also procured
the Grand Rapids EIS via Jabiru USA .
The engine is a piece of art. The fit and finish of the fiberglass cowling and
other fiberglass parts, engine mount and other hardware was very good. All fasteners,
tubing, actuation cables, air filter, oil filter etc. were supplied.
The prop was drop shipped from Sensenich and I received it about 6 weeks after
I received the engine. (One reason possibly not stocked at Jabiru is because you
pick the color)
The EIS is really a great instrument IMO and easy to read. You can set limits
for many engine parameters and it will notify you if they are exceeded. I also
use it to remind me to switch tanks.
Jabiru can tell you how long it will take for you to receive the engine and FWF
No problems receiving any help or getting any questions answered from Jabiru USA.
Would highly recommend.
Tony Graziano
601XL N493TG
65 hrs.
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From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru FWF kit for the XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Does anyone have opinions about Jabiru's firewall-forward kit for the XL?
Pro, con, fit and finish, ease of assembly, performance once in the air,
etc.
This would be for their "newer" kit. I understand they did a redesign a year
or so ago.
And how is it dealing with Jabiru USA? Do they deliver what they promise by
the date they promise it?
-- Craig
From: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Jabiru FWF kit for the XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Does anyone have opinions about Jabiru's firewall-forward kit for the XL?
I can answer part of this: After attending the maintenance course in
Shelbyville last August, I decided to purchase both the FWF kit and a 3300A.
Neither is yet installed. However, delivery was not a problem. The
container shipment that included the engine bought had already been ordered
when I placed my order with JabiruUSA. The prop is shipped directly from
Sensenich. Due to their (Sensenich's) government related contracts, the
prop took the longest to arrive, about 45 days after everything else.
JabiruUSA was easy to work with, happy to respond in a timely fashion, and
always easy to contact, but you do have to think for yourself and ask the
right questions. They don't hold your hand.
Others that attended the course and bought about the same time are further
along installing the FWF and engine.
Jeff Davidson
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| Subject: | Re: Mice and Storage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
In a message dated 2/12/2006 11:52:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mike.sinclair@ATT.NET writes:
Cats? Three or four mousers will do wonders. Just enough dry food to keep em
around. If they don't hunt, get rid of them and get a new batch.
Umm...if I put cats in the wing,how do clean up after them? And what if
P.E.T.A. gets wind of this?
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| Subject: | Re: Construction Manual ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Lynn,
When I ordered my 601 XL kit, Zenith sent me the plans ahead of time, packed
in a box. Along with the plans was a white 1" soft-cover 3-ring binder. On
the inside of the front cover is a CD containing the Photo Assembly Guides.
In this binder are a number of things: A a page with check boxes indicating
that I received the drawings, construction manual with weight & balance
form, and CD-ROM photo assembly guide. Next is an introductory one page
letter to the new builder, containing your aircraft's serial number. Next
is a page regarding customer service, the Zenair newsletter, EAA, and the
Zenith builder network. The next page has some information on the Zenair
News newsletter. The next page has a Zenith order form. Then there is an
18 page "Construction Manual". It contains general information that should
be read prior to starting building, such as working tolerances, edge
distances (for riveting), information on aluminum materials used in the
kits, information on hardware and blind rivets, guidelines for working with
sheet metal and tools, deburring techniques, corrosion protection, etc. If
you attended the workshop, you will notice that the information in this
manual overlaps quite a bit with the information found in the rudder
workshop manual, althought there are some differences.
I hope this helps. I've gotten a lot of help so far from the fine folks on
this list site, so I'd like to be able to start giving back once in awhile.
Dave Van Lanen
Madison, WI
601 XL - FINALLY started building (stabilizer) yesterday
Time: 08:59:55 PM PST US
From: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Construction Manual ?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
I keep hearing about the "Construction Manual". I picked up my 601
kit at Zenith last Monday. I asked Nick where the construction manual was,
and he gave me a puzzled look and referred me to the drawings, which I
already have.
Is there more? I have no "page 11" in my drawings.
Lynn
Dingfelder
Corry, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Construction Manual ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> By the way, like to know how many women involved in
> building Zeniths no offense to you Lynn just would
> like to know that women are intersted in building
> and flying the 601 & 701...Thanks to all, B Sceppa
--- Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
> <larrymc@qconline.com>
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> Lynn,
> You and Nick have a disconnect in communication
> somewhere. The drawings
> are accompanied by a rather good construction
> manual, a CD and lots
> of pictorial content. You should revisit what you
> received and then
> express more clearly what you're missing. I'm sure
> there's just a
> misunderstanding
> here. Stay cool,,,,,,,
>
> Larry McFarland
> do not archive
>
> lynn dingfelder wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn
> dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
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> > I keep hearing about the "Construction
> Manual". I picked up my 601 kit at Zenith last
> Monday. I asked Nick where the construction manual
> was, and he gave me a puzzled look and referred me
> to the drawings, which I already have. Is there
> more? I have no "page 11" in my drawings.
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> Lynn Dingfelder
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| Subject: | Re: Mice and Storage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Stuff all the openings with green Scotchbrite. I hear
mice hate the stuff.
--- Roland Smith <docponds@sover.net> wrote:
> I am nearing completion of the right wing for my
> 701. I plan to store it on a shelf in my
> barn/workshop while working on the rest of the
> plane. There is a major mouse problem
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Mice and Storage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Yeah, but is it because of the silicon or the silicone?
Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca
<gboothe@calply.com>
601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete
Tail Group - complete. Working on Wings...
DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!
> Stuff all the openings with green Scotchbrite. I hear
> mice hate the stuff.
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> --- Roland Smith <docponds@sover.net> wrote:
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>> I am nearing completion of the right wing for my
>> 701. I plan to store it on a shelf in my
>> barn/workshop while working on the rest of the
>> plane. There is a major mouse problem
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Peter,
Can your airplane be grandfathered in as an ELSA with Commercial training
privileges thru 2010?
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Drzymala
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: for sale
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Drzymala" <pdrzymala@nycap.rr.com>
my zenith 601xl is for sale.power 912s, 100 hp pdrzymala@nycap.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Construction Manual ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
Dave, Robert and Larry,
Thanks for the responses. I finally found what I was needing.
I have to plead guilty to not examining the CD well enough, the info is all
there. Nick didn't happen to point out that the CD contained the step by
step procedures (or I didn't understand him correctly).
Inventory complete, and ready to start pullin' rivits!
Well, maybe that's an exaggeration, but I'm at least ready to start some
serious head scratchin'
I can't enlighten the list as for as female involvement.
I've been getting mailed Victorias Secret catalogs most of my life, but I'm
male. (I still look at the catalogs!)
Lynn
Corry, PA
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Hi Jim,
I think the only aircraft that qualify for "grandfather" status under the
E-LSA rules are fat
ultralights. In the world of experimental aircraft, I think only those
aircraft with serial numbers
after the first "certified" S-LSA aircraft or E-LSA aircraft of a particular
make qualify for
E-LSA status.
Thus I believe only Zenith aircraft with a serial number higher than the
first S-LSA or E-LSA produced of
the zenith make. Even then I believe that it has to be produced using an
"approved" set of plans
and kit that meet the "industry standard" and constructed exactly as the
plan set states. Unfortunately
I don't think any such plans or kit exist for the Zenith line yet.
I could be completely wrong though. I've read the LSA rules a huge number
of times and don't understand
them all. My understanding is that as of today there are S-LSA aircraft,
production aircraft that meet
the light sport standard, experimental aircraft that meet the light sport
standard, and "fat" ultralights
that meet the standard for transition to E-lsa. I don't believe that any
aircraft have been as yet certified
as E-LSA, though many may qualify in the future if their makers decide to do
so.
The other way you can get an E-lsa is to buy a S-LSA and transition it with
the FAA to experimental status, but
I would think this would de-value the aircraft significantly.
I have seen very specific statements from the EAA that say once an aircraft
is certified as an experimental, it
CANNOT be re-certified as an E-LSA, so that route would not work
If your understanding is different please let me know for a supposed
"simple" rule, the light sport stuff is
mind bendingly complex.
Allen Ricks
Beaverton, OR.
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Pellien
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: for sale
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Peter,
Can your airplane be grandfathered in as an ELSA with Commercial training
privileges thru 2010?
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Drzymala
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: for sale
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Drzymala" <pdrzymala@nycap.rr.com>
my zenith 601xl is for sale.power 912s, 100 hp pdrzymala@nycap.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob Miller <tutuzulu@gmail.com>
Thanks Jim.
I just found out that ACSpruce sells "keyed rivnuts", apparently to
keep them from spinning out. What would you think of these for a
place that needs rare accessing, mainly for inspections? Nut plates
won't work in the forward top skin I'm working on. I'm sure I'll need
to get to the fuel tank someday.
Bob
Say, what days do you think I'll be able to help you at Sun 'n Fun?
On 2/9/06, Jim Hoak <planejim@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
>
> Bob,
>
> I agree with Cy, the washers under the rivnuts is not a good idea. In fact
> as I've said here before, after about 50 years of messing around this stuff
> I only used rivnuts for interior panels and things like that . In fact I
> don't use them at all anymore. Go to the effort of installing "Nutplates"
> (there are many different kinds for different applications) especially in
> locations where you will be removing the screws or bolts on a regular basis.
> Since the introduction of 3/32" pull or blind rivets used for attachment, it
> is fairly easy to install nutplates. No need to use a rivet gun and bucking
> bar . Go for nutplates every time and leave those antique rivnuts in the
> bin!
>
> Jim Hoak
> do not archive
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Miller" <tutuzulu@gmail.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts?
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> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob Miller <tutuzulu@gmail.com>
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> > I'm thinking of putting flat lock-washers on the backside of the
> > rivnuts before rivetting them. Anybody have any experience with this?
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> > Bob Miller
> > 601HD N722Z
> > Charlottesville, Virginia
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Bob Miller
601HD N722Z
Charlottesville, Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Riv-nuts are aluminum, Soft Aluminum. Put a steel screw or a SS screw and
dis-similar metal reaction creates corrosion. Even the keyed Riv-nuts are a
pain. Install nut plates is possible and be done with it.
Cy Galley - Chair,
AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A Service Project of Chapter 75
EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Miller" <tutuzulu@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob Miller <tutuzulu@gmail.com>
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> Thanks Jim.
> I just found out that ACSpruce sells "keyed rivnuts", apparently to
> keep them from spinning out. What would you think of these for a
> place that needs rare accessing, mainly for inspections? Nut plates
> won't work in the forward top skin I'm working on. I'm sure I'll need
> to get to the fuel tank someday.
> Bob
> Say, what days do you think I'll be able to help you at Sun 'n Fun?
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> On 2/9/06, Jim Hoak <planejim@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
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>> Bob,
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>> I agree with Cy, the washers under the rivnuts is not a good idea. In
>> fact
>> as I've said here before, after about 50 years of messing around this
>> stuff
>> I only used rivnuts for interior panels and things like that . In fact I
>> don't use them at all anymore. Go to the effort of installing "Nutplates"
>> (there are many different kinds for different applications) especially in
>> locations where you will be removing the screws or bolts on a regular
>> basis.
>> Since the introduction of 3/32" pull or blind rivets used for attachment,
>> it
>> is fairly easy to install nutplates. No need to use a rivet gun and
>> bucking
>> bar . Go for nutplates every time and leave those antique rivnuts in the
>> bin!
>>
>> Jim Hoak
>> do not archive
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Miller" <tutuzulu@gmail.com>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts?
>>
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>> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob Miller <tutuzulu@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > I'm thinking of putting flat lock-washers on the backside of the
>> > rivnuts before rivetting them. Anybody have any experience with this?
>> > --
>> > Bob Miller
>> > 601HD N722Z
>> > Charlottesville, Virginia
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> Bob Miller
> 601HD N722Z
> Charlottesville, Virginia
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