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1. 12:41 AM - Re: Removing Scratches & Nicks From Spars / Longerons (Hunt Malcolm)
2. 04:12 AM - Re: Mice and Storage (Tommy Walker)
3. 07:10 AM - Re: Mice and Storage (JOHN STARN)
4. 07:22 AM - Re: slim rivet tool? (Jeffrey A Beachy)
5. 09:00 AM - Re: Scotchbrite (Randy L. Thwing)
6. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Scotchbrite (crvsecretary@aol.com)
7. 12:11 PM - Decal Paper (Beckman, Rick)
8. 12:26 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 02/13/06 (alex trent)
9. 01:38 PM - 601 XL - CZA quickbuild kit - flap switch (AndrewC)
10. 04:28 PM - Return Parts (Dave VanLanen)
11. 05:15 PM - Re: quick build 601 XL (long) (Allen Ricks)
12. 05:22 PM - Re: 601 XL - CZA quickbuild kit - flap switch (David X)
13. 05:35 PM - Re: Return Parts (Robin Bellach)
14. 06:15 PM - Re: Rotx 912s Choke (george may)
15. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Rotx 912s Choke (Zodie Rocket)
16. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: Scotchbrite (Gary A. Boothe)
17. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Rotx 912s Choke (Mike Sinclair)
18. 08:07 PM - Re: slim rivet tool (Dave and Pam Fisher)
19. 09:59 PM - Re: Crosswind - The Last Flight (NYTerminat@aol.com)
20. 10:14 PM - Re: slim rivet tool (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject: | Removing Scratches & Nicks From Spars / Longerons |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
How about green scotchbrite!!!!
Sorry Dave, my inspector says that in parts taking stresses polish out
the scratch completely. I use silicon carbide paper (wet n dry) used
dry and depending on depth of scratch say start with 120 grit and work
through and finish with 400 grit, sand with the grain. Use a flat
hardwood block under the paper where possible. Mainly found scratches on
extruded angle.
Hope this helps
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL builder in England
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
VanLanen
Sent: 14 February 2006 03:54
Subject: Zenith-List: Removing Scratches & Nicks From Spars / Longerons
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
<davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
Can anyone instruct me on the correct procedure for removing scratches
and
nicks from spars and longerons? I checked the archives, but did not
find
anything. The ZAC Construction Manual simply states that scratches and
nicks must be removed from spars and longerons by filing and sanding
lengthwise. What type(s) of file or sandpaper should be used, and what
is
the technique? For example, does the entire scratch need to be
completely
eliminated, or is it sufficient to remove the sharp edges of the
scratch,
where a depression may remain if it is a deeper scratch?
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
Madison, WI
601 XL - elevator
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| Subject: | Re: Mice and Storage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net
<mailto:p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>> Snakes are OK in the Summer,
but when it gets cold up North, you can only use them for windshield wipers.
do not archive
In the winter in the deep South, we use them for Windshield Vipers
Oh well, it sounded funny when I thought of it.
Tommy Walker in Lower Slobovia
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| Subject: | Re: Mice and Storage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Yaw, here in Wisconsin, dats vot we use dem fur too.
Could not resist...sorry...KABONG Do Not Archive
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Mice and Storage
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net
> <mailto:p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>> Snakes are OK in the Summer,
> but when it gets cold up North, you can only use them for windshield
> wipers.
> do not archive
>
> In the winter in the deep South, we use them for Windshield Vipers
> Oh well, it sounded funny when I thought of it.
>
> Tommy Walker in Lower Slobovia
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: slim rivet tool? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeffrey A Beachy <beachyjeff@juno.com>
I purchased a hand riveter from Harbor Freight Tools for less than ten
dollars, then used a grinder on it until I reduced the riveter head to
not much larger than the rivet nosepiece. I'm certain it won't last very
long, but it has saved me on several occasions so far.
Jeff
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Hello Listers:
If it is unacceptable to allow iron rich Scotchbrite (if there is such a
thing) near aluminum, why are we permitted to use drill bits, shears, snips
& files, most of which are iron based?
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Scotchbrite |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: crvsecretary@aol.com
Hi Randy:
Abrasives are wonderful things. Think of a grinding wheel: the cutting action
is created not by the texture of the surface but by the 'cracking' of the crystals
that the wheel is made of, thus exposing new, sharp cutting edges. If the
wheel is too hard, the crystals will not crack and it will load up; if too
soft it will turn to dust as you grind.
OK, so now back to the Dreaded Silicon Carbide Schtchbrite...or any other silicon
carbide abrasive product (like wet & dry 'sandpaper'). Some of the abrasive
grit will fracture from the abrasive cloth (or pad) and will be left behind
on the work. This is the bad thing we try to avoid - dissimiliar metals and corrosion.
Cutting tools like drill bits, shears, files etc. leave no residue.
Great question !!!!!
Regards,
Tracy Smith
N458XL (reserved)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Randy L. Thwing <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:56:22 -0800
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Scotchbrite
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Hello Listers:
If it is unacceptable to allow iron rich Scotchbrite (if there is such a
thing) near aluminum, why are we permitted to use drill bits, shears, snips
& files, most of which are iron based?
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
'Afternoon All,
Recently, someone had some decal paper to turn loose of. Please contact me off
list and we'll see if we can work something out. rick.beckman@atk.com
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 02/13/06 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
>
>Time: 06:50:07 AM PST US
>From: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivnuts or Anchor Nuts or Am I Nuts?
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
>
>Bob,
>
>The rivnuts have always been "keyed" but most people don't have the tool
>that cuts the little notch in the edge of the hole thaar the key fits into.
>As Cy says the rivnuts are soft aluninum and screws are steel. Thats a
>
>
Rivnuts *are* available in "steel". However they do tend to come
loose at the most awkward times no matter what the material. They are
also available unkeyed
alex
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| Subject: | 601 XL - CZA quickbuild kit - flap switch |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "AndrewC" <andrewgcampbell@tiscali.co.uk>
G-DROO is a quickbuild 601 XL from the CZAW factory from around July 2004. Last
weekend the plane took its first test flight and for the first time the flaps
decided to fail. The test pilot made a routine flapless landing but the result
is that after investigation it appears that the circuit breaker tripped and
would not reset. An examination of the flap motor and actuator rod assembly
showed that the CZAW kit has a metal flap on the actuator rod - presumably for
a RAC flap indicator servo mechanism to attach - and that the metal flap had
been impacting on the lower limit flap microswitch body when the flap was fully
retracted. Over time this impacting appears basically to have damaged the
microswitch body, resulting in a short circuit and the ensuing circuit breaker
trip (the switch fell apart when removed from the plane). A new switch has been
obtained and I intend to cut off the metal flap (since I don't have a flap
indicator) so that fouling cannot occur. It may be that a readjustment of the
microswitches on their mounting rod would remedy it too, but I'm happy to lose
the weight of that metal flap...
All I'd suggest is that if you have a CZAW quick build XL from around then you
might want to check the state of the flap lower limit microswitch to see whether,
at full up flap, there is any impacting on the microswitch body. It's probably
just mine that this has happened with, but thought it better to share it.
Andrew
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
We found a couple of incorrect parts when we inventoried our kit. ZAC is
sending us the correct parts. They asked in their response to please ship
the unusable parts back to them. Is that normal operating procedure? Do we
pay the shipping?
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
Madison, WI
601 XL - stabilizer
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| Subject: | quick build 601 XL (long) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Hi Mike,
Unfortunately progress has been slower than I would like due to a
combination of holiday, family and weather issues. Granddad (95) broke a
leg
(He's doing better now, he just asked my dad to refill his Viagra Rx. You
go Granddad).
I also needed to create some more work space in my garage, as all of the
quick build kit takes up a LOT of space.
It rained for more than a month straight here in Oregon, and
I needed a couple of good days that I was not working to pull stuff
out and re-arrange. I did that last week, and have a few more things
to re-arrange this week. I am also realizing that the quick build is
done to a point that I need to figure out when to have things inspected
before closing, as that will occurr quickly. I can sit in my fusalage
on my leather seats and make airplane noises already.
The only flat pieces of metal I can find are the main wing skins, and
they're
supposed to be flat when you put them on. Many parts are at
least partially pre-riveted. The fuselage is pretty much done. Everything
seems to have holes in it, and if it does not have rivets already, there
are pre-aligned and drilled holes with zinc chromate on most of the mating
surfaces. On the rudder kit, everything went quickly for me but the hole
location, so the rest of the kit should go relatively quickly.
I will say that there are a lot of parts to the kit, and getting them all
sorted out and stored was a project in and of itself. For me the quick
build took the project from potentially overwhelming to something that
seems really doable, especially now that I see just how complete the kit
is.
Hopefully by the end of this week, I'll be clecoing the wing parts, and
ready for
visitors that are interested in looking at the kit.
P.S. Don't underestimate the time it takes to unpack/catalog/store
everything if
you get the complete kit all at once. It's a project in and of itself. I
had to
build some additional shelving, and I still don't have everything stored as
I would
like. I envy those with barns, even if the barns have mice in them.
Allen Ricks
Beaverton, OR
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michial
Pedri
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: quick build 601 XL (long)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michial Pedri <pedfly60@yahoo.com>
Hi Allen,
Just wondering how much progress and the experiences (negative Or
positive) you have with the quick build kit? I hope to purchase the kit in
the next few months and am still a little nervous about trying to build my
own plane (zero experience with building anything not to mention an
airplane) especially wiring, engine installation etc. Thank you for any
advice or comments you have to offer.
Mike Pedri, Beckley, WV
Allen Ricks <allenricks@verizon.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL - CZA quickbuild kit - flap switch |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David X" <dxj@comcast.net>
Andrew, thank you very much for the details. It's something I'll look for on my
own aircraft.
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| Subject: | Re: Return Parts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
I'd say eat the shipping charge. The service from ZAC in such situations is
very good, and it's not a big deal. Possibly later you will make a mistake
shaping or drilling a small part and ZAC will probably send you one no
charge. So don't throw any corners into the smooth round equation of what
goes around comes around, just skew the circle in your favor and don't
quibble over the shipping.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:23 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Return Parts
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
> <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> We found a couple of incorrect parts when we inventoried our kit. ZAC is
> sending us the correct parts. They asked in their response to please ship
> the unusable parts back to them. Is that normal operating procedure? Do
> we
> pay the shipping?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Van Lanen
> Madison, WI
> 601 XL - stabilizer
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| Subject: | Re: Rotx 912s Choke |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
List--
I just finished
installing the choke cables ,for the second time, trying to get them to
require a little
less force when engaging the choke, without much success. The springs appear
to be very strong.
It seems to take a significant force to fully open the choke, and yet if I
let go of the knob it
closes fully.
A question for those that have installed and/or are flying with the 912s.
Does this sound correct? And if so, how do you hold the choke open with
one hand, set the throttle and trun the key to start the engine all at the
same time.
Thanks
George My
601XL 912s
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotx 912s Choke |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
BEFORE you consider changing the spring on a Rotax Motor read this !!!
http://www.ch601.org/stories/croke_crash.htm
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
List--
I just finished
installing the choke cables ,for the second time, trying to get them to
require a little
less force when engaging the choke, without much success. The springs
appear
to be very strong.
It seems to take a significant force to fully open the choke, and yet if
I
let go of the knob it
closes fully.
A question for those that have installed and/or are flying with the
912s.
Does this sound correct? And if so, how do you hold the choke open with
one hand, set the throttle and trun the key to start the engine all at
the
same time.
Thanks
George My
601XL 912s
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Scotchbrite |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
That's why I use tools only from China. They have a minimum amount of iron!
Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca
<gboothe@calply.com>
601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete
Tail Group - complete. Working on Wings...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:56 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Scotchbrite
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
> <n4546v@mindspring.com>
>
> Hello Listers:
> If it is unacceptable to allow iron rich Scotchbrite (if there is such
> a
> thing) near aluminum, why are we permitted to use drill bits, shears,
> snips
> & files, most of which are iron based?
>
> Regards,
>
> Randy, Las Vegas do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotx 912s Choke |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
George
Sounds like you've got your choke set pretty smooth if it closes on it's own. I
have to push mine in, though with not much pressure. As for the throttle, it
needs to be closed (choke is ineffective at any other position) and if you have
the friction block set-up properly adjusted (providing that is how your throttle
is rigged), it's pretty much hands off. As the engine starts to run smoothly the
choke needs to go in anyway. Two hands are plenty sufficient to the task. On
mine I have found that after the first cold start of the day, the choke has been
unnecessary for subsequent starts, even after a few hours.
Mike Sinclair N701TD
george may wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
>
> List--
> I just finished
> installing the choke cables ,for the second time, trying to get them to
> require a little
> less force when engaging the choke, without much success. The springs appear
> to be very strong.
> It seems to take a significant force to fully open the choke, and yet if I
> let go of the knob it
> closes fully.
>
> A question for those that have installed and/or are flying with the 912s.
>
> Does this sound correct? And if so, how do you hold the choke open with
> one hand, set the throttle and trun the key to start the engine all at the
> same time.
>
> Thanks
> George My
> 601XL 912s
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
> get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: slim rivet tool |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dave and Pam Fisher <dpfisher@scottsbluff.net>
Hi Phill& list,
I don't recall where I picked up the idea for riveting in tight spots, but
I made a small attachment for my rivet tool that works slick for tight corners.
It's just a cylindrical piece of metal 3/8 inch in diameter about 3/8 of an
inch long with one end beveled at 30 degrees. Dimple the square cut end
like the nose piece of your riveter and drill a hole for rivet stems
through the center of it. Slip the thing over the rivet stem before you
pull it and you will be able to position your puller at an angle and still
get a straight pull on the rivet.
Have fun!!
Dave, 701 with A80-8 Continental
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| Subject: | Re: Crosswind - The Last Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Dave
Were you able to figure out what went wrong?
Bob Spudis
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In a message dated 1/18/2006 11:36:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
NYTerminat@aol.com writes:
Dave'
I am so sorry for your engine out. Praise the Lord that you are safe. Thank
you for your testimony as I too am a Christian. Lord willing I will be
making
my 1st flight in N701ZX a 701 with a Rotax 912S tomorrow. What was the
engine
out glide like? Did you have much range? Could it have been icing?
God Bless
Bob Spudis
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| Subject: | Re: slim rivet tool |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
I don't quite understand what you mean. Got any pictures?
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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