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1. 10:41 AM - Re: Aux fuel pump in 701. (Tim & Diane Shankland)
2. 10:42 AM - Re: Aux fuel pump in 701.Aux fuel pump in 701. (Larry Bohannon)
3. 11:56 AM - Re: Aux fuel pump in 701.Aux fuel pump in 701. (Jeff Davidson)
4. 12:15 PM - Questions About Bending Brake (William Dominguez)
5. 12:52 PM - RE : Questions About Bending Brake (Carlos Sa)
6. 02:12 PM - Re: RE : Questions About Bending Brake (William Dominguez)
7. 02:29 PM - Re: RE : Questions About Bending Brake (Zodie Rocket)
8. 03:03 PM - Re: Aux fuel pump in 701.Aux fuel pump in 701. (Bryan Martin)
9. 03:14 PM - Re: Questions About Bending Brake (Ron Lendon)
10. 03:29 PM - Re: Aux fuel pump in 701. (nyterminat@aol.com)
11. 03:33 PM - Re: Aux fuel pump in 701. (nyterminat@aol.com)
12. 05:11 PM - RE : Re: RE : Questions About Bending Brake (Carlos Sa)
13. 07:08 PM - O-200 engine bolts hardware (Brian Briggerman)
14. 07:14 PM - Re: O-200 engine bolts hardware (Gdascomb@aol.com)
15. 07:24 PM - Re: Aux fuel pump in 701. (Gary Gower)
16. 08:16 PM - Re: Aux fuel pump in 701.Aux fuel pump in 701. (ruruny@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel pump in 701. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@core.com>
No, because if have two vents one in each wing, on the bottom recessed,
similar to a Grumman Cheetah.
Tim
Craig Payne wrote:
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>Wouldn't connecting the two vents create a single point of failure?
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel pump in 701.Aux fuel pump in 701. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" <larryb54@alltel.net>
I was planning on installing the fuel system in my 701 as per plans. Now, with
all the talk of pumps,filters,ram air tubes in the stock vented gas caps, and
uneven flow from one tank or the other, I'm wondering what to do.
The plans have only the stock vented gas cap,a finger screen fitting at the exit
of the tank,the two hoses joining at the stock gascolator which is mounted to
the left of centerline at the low point of the fuselage and a single hose running
under the pilots seat to a single shutoff valve at the pilots feet and then
on to the engine. Has anyone flown with this per plans setup for any length
of time?? When I saw Roger's 701 I noticed there appeared to be some clear
filters in the lines where they entered the baggage compartment and he had ram
air tubes in the gas caps on top of the wings. I don't know how the rest of Roger's
system is set up but even Zenith's own plane is not per their own plans!!
What gives?? If we were to build it from the plans would this be unsafe?
The reason I bought the supposedly "complete" kit and plans was that someone with
the know how ( Chris H. and Zenith) had already figured all this stuff out,
but I saw in the Zenith newsletter about a year or so ago, where Chris was giving
info and a drawing of how to put the ram air tube in the gas caps but there
is nothing in the actual plans. How are we to know what to do and what is
safe if Zenith doesn't even follow their own plans? Also, is anybody using the
black rubber hose that came with the kit? I seem to recall reading somwhere the
rubber hose breaks down inside and the pieces clog the carbs?
I'm almost finished with my 701 airframe and I will be installing the engine
and fuel system as soon as I receive the FWF kit I ordered from Skyshop. i
read where the biggest cause of accidents in homebuilts is the fuel system. I
only have a high school education but I can build according to plans, if the plans
are correct and safe, but can anybody tell me if the plans are correct and
safe or not? Should I follow the plans exactly, even if Zenith doesn't, or
should I modify? Any help/advice from the list would be greatly appreciated.
Larry Bohannon
Winder, Georgia
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| Subject: | Aux fuel pump in 701.Aux fuel pump in 701. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Larry,
On the question about "Also, is anybody using the black rubber hose that
came with the kit?":
I am going to use it on my 601 HD with leading edge tanks only. I modeled
my fuel system after the XL system on 6K2 available on the ZAC web site.
Yesterday, I took a good look at Jim Pellien's 601XL, which is certified as
an LSA. It uses the rubber hose too. With the dual stick option, the hose
runs right in front of the spar through the dual stick bracket to the Andair
selector value in the console.
FWIW, I have found that the builders have a lot of input from various
sources, but that ZAC does not provide an exact fuel system design. Several
for the 601 can be found on the ZAC web site. This is an experimental
aircraft, so you have a lot of freedom/responsibility. For complete
assurance, I suggest that you draw a diagram of your proposed system and
send it to ZAC for comment and validation by Nick, Sebastian, Roger, Chris,
or whoever else may answer. In my opinion, that is how you can get the
confidence that comes with the designer's suggestions and approval on your
particular system.
Jeff Davidson
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| Subject: | Questions About Bending Brake |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Does the material have to be flat before bending? Not
twisted.
Does ZAC 48 brake need welding? Can it be gas welded?
What is the best way to cut .040 thick materials?
Ive been experimenting with a wooden bending brake
with mixed success. When I bend L angles of .040 and
40 long it comes out twisted and slightly bowed. The
material is not flat and it is twisted before bending.
I have the suspicion that the snips are causing this
twisting in the material by stretching the border
while cutting it. If the border is slightly larger
than the center this may cause the twist and the
bowing after the bending. My wooden brake is very
solid and straight and I can't see any bowing or
twisting of the brake while bending.
William Dominguez
Plansbuilt 601XL
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| Subject: | Questions About Bending Brake |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, William
I went through that phase myself.
A wooden brake will work well only on thin stock.
I eventualy found a welding shop that built the 4' bending brake for me.
Actually, I made it longer so I could use it to bend the rudder spar.
Money well spent.
For the longer parts, I rent a bending brake from a shop nearby.
Took me forever to find them, but again, it was worth it.
The parts have a very professional appearence.
The plans for the (48") brake can be found somewhere on http://ch601.org/
Happy building
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
--- William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com> a crit :
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
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> Does the material have to be flat before bending? Not
> twisted.
>
> Does ZAC 48 brake need welding? Can it be gas welded?
>
> What is the best way to cut .040 thick materials?
>
> Ive been experimenting with a wooden bending brake
> with mixed success. When I bend L angles of .040 and
> 40 long it comes out twisted and slightly bowed. The
> material is not flat and it is twisted before bending.
> I have the suspicion that the snips are causing this
> twisting in the material by stretching the border
> while cutting it. If the border is slightly larger
> than the center this may cause the twist and the
> bowing after the bending. My wooden brake is very
> solid and straight and I can't see any bowing or
> twisting of the brake while bending.
>
>
> William Dominguez
> Plansbuilt 601XL
Lche-vitrine ou lche-cran ?
magasinage.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Questions About Bending Brake |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Carlos,
Did the welding shop built the brake from ZAC plans or
from the plans on http://ch601.org/. How much they
charged you.
Thank you,
William Dominguez
Plansbuilt 601XL
--- Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa
> <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
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> Hello, William
>
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> I went through that phase myself.
> A wooden brake will work well only on thin stock.
> I eventualy found a welding shop that built the 4'
> bending brake for me.
> Actually, I made it longer so I could use it to bend
> the rudder spar.
> Money well spent.
>
> For the longer parts, I rent a bending brake from a
> shop nearby.
> Took me forever to find them, but again, it was
> worth it.
> The parts have a very professional appearence.
>
> The plans for the (48") brake can be found somewhere
> on http://ch601.org/
>
> Happy building
>
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
>
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| Subject: | Questions About Bending Brake |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
I'm hoping to have a new set of plans on the www.ch601.org website next
month. This break can be wielded with arc/mig or gas it is 54inches long
and works well. SO far we have made 4 of them.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Dominguez
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: RE : Zenith-List: Questions About Bending Brake
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez
<bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Carlos,
Did the welding shop built the brake from ZAC plans or
from the plans on http://ch601.org/. How much they
charged you.
Thank you,
William Dominguez
Plansbuilt 601XL
--- Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa
> <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello, William
>
>
> I went through that phase myself.
> A wooden brake will work well only on thin stock.
> I eventualy found a welding shop that built the 4'
> bending brake for me.
> Actually, I made it longer so I could use it to bend
> the rudder spar.
> Money well spent.
>
> For the longer parts, I rent a bending brake from a
> shop nearby.
> Took me forever to find them, but again, it was
> worth it.
> The parts have a very professional appearence.
>
> The plans for the (48") brake can be found somewhere
> on http://ch601.org/
>
> Happy building
>
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel pump in 701.Aux fuel pump in 701. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
If the two wing tanks have separate vents, there could be a difference in
the pressure venting the tanks. All else being equal, this difference in
pressure is what will cause the two tanks to feed fuel at different rates.
To get some idea of how large this difference in pressure might be, you can
calculate a couple of pressure differences that the airplane will normally
encounter in flight.
One of these pressure differences is the lift generated by the wing. The
CH701 has a gross weight of 1100 pounds and a wing area of 122 square feet.
So the lift generated in level flight is 1100lb/122sqft=9lb/sqft or about
.063 psi. If we assume the pressure under the wing is the same as static
pressure then the pressure on top is .063 psi less than static.
Another pressure difference encountered in flight is the difference between
the ambient pressure and the ram air pressure, or the dynamic pressure. From
an airspeed calibration table I have, dynamic pressure at 90 mph is about
.14 psi. These are both pretty small numbers.
In the worst case, where one fuel tank cap has a ram air tube and the other
one just has a vent hole, the maximum pressure difference between the two
tanks should be about .14 psi + .063 psi = .203 psi. The fuel pressure at
the bottom end of the fuel line from the tank is the sum of the head
pressure of the fuel and the air pressure pushing down on the surface of the
fuel. If one tank is draining faster than the other, is there some point
where the difference in head pressure in the two tanks will balance out the
difference in air pressure and cause the fuel to feed evenly?
Gasoline weighs six pounds per gallon, there are about seven and a half
gallons in a cubic foot which gives 45 pounds per cubic foot or .026 pounds
per cubic inch. So the head pressure one inch below the surface of a tank of
gasoline is about .026 psi. Dividing the worst case air pressure difference
of .203 psi by .026 psi gives 7.8 inches of gasoline. So, when the level of
fuel in the "high pressure" tank is about 8 inches lower than the other,
both tanks should be feeding evenly. In reality, the air pressure difference
between the two tanks should be a lot less than this example.
Will the engine be sucking air from one tank before the other tank is empty?
The bottom of the gas tank on the 701 is about three and a half feet above
the floor of the cabin. You may empty one tank before the other but both
tanks will be empty before you start sucking air. There may be 8 inches more
fuel on one side than the other when you start sucking air but all of that
fuel will be in the fuel line. How much fuel does 8 inches of fuel line
hold? This is why most high wing Cessnas can operate with the fuel selector
in the both position with no danger of draining one tank before the other.
And, in my experience, even they don't drain fuel evenly from both tanks. On
the other hand, it is possible for a low wing airplane to drain one tank dry
and leave a significant quantity of fuel in the other, which is why you
usually draw fuel out of only one tank at a time on most low wing aircraft.
So to answer your question. Is the fuel system in the plans safe? I would
say yes. The fuel system in the plans is probably about the simplest you can
get. Can it be improved upon? Sure. The ram air tubes on the caps will
prevent small amounts of fuel from dribbling out the vent holes in flight
and staining the top of the wing, and they can improve the fuel flow
slightly. The biggest disadvantage to the system you described in your post
is that if you fill both tanks and then park the plane on a slope so that
one wing is lower than the other, fuel can flow from the high side to the
low side and overflow the low tank and cause fuel to flow out the vent.
Eliminating the vented caps and installing an interconnecting fuel vent
system can stop this from happening even though it may not completely cure
the problem of uneven feeding of fuel. Even the Cessna 150/152s I've flown
don't always feed fuel evenly from each tank.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
on 2/25/06 1:41 PM, Larry Bohannon at larryb54@alltel.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" <larryb54@alltel.net>
>
> I was planning on installing the fuel system in my 701 as per plans. Now, with
> all the talk of pumps,filters,ram air tubes in the stock vented gas caps, and
> uneven flow from one tank or the other, I'm wondering what to do.
> The plans have only the stock vented gas cap,a finger screen fitting at the
> exit of the tank,the two hoses joining at the stock gascolator which is
> mounted to the left of centerline at the low point of the fuselage and a
> single hose running under the pilots seat to a single shutoff valve at the
> pilots feet and then on to the engine. Has anyone flown with this per plans
> setup for any length of time?? When I saw Roger's 701 I noticed there
> appeared to be some clear filters in the lines where they entered the baggage
> compartment and he had ram air tubes in the gas caps on top of the wings. I
> don't know how the rest of Roger's system is set up but even Zenith's own
> plane is not per their own plans!! What gives?? If we were to build it from
> the plans would this be unsafe? The reason I bought the supposedly "complete"
> kit and plans was that someone with the know how ( Chris H. and Zenith) had
> already figured all this stuff out, but I saw in the Zenith newsletter about
a
> year or!
> so ago, where Chris was giving info and a drawing of how to put the ram air
> tube in the gas caps but there is nothing in the actual plans. How are we to
> know what to do and what is safe if Zenith doesn't even follow their own
> plans? Also, is anybody using the black rubber hose that came with the kit? I
> seem to recall reading somwhere the rubber hose breaks down inside and the
> pieces clog the carbs?
> I'm almost finished with my 701 airframe and I will be installing the
> engine and fuel system as soon as I receive the FWF kit I ordered from
> Skyshop. i read where the biggest cause of accidents in homebuilts is the fuel
> system. I only have a high school education but I can build according to
> plans, if the plans are correct and safe, but can anybody tell me if the plans
> are correct and safe or not? Should I follow the plans exactly, even if
> Zenith doesn't, or should I modify? Any help/advice from the list would be
> greatly appreciated.
> Larry Bohannon
> Winder, Georgia
>
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| Subject: | Re: Questions About Bending Brake |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
I have had the same experience with narrow strips. I used the Malco hand shears
to cut one of the doublers for the rear stabilizer spar. Both edges were cut
by hand and it twisted. When I held it flat though the edges were straight.
I bent it in a press brake and it became curved and twisted. Next time I will
either shear or score break the trim edge. The other 3 doublers were shear cut
and lay flat. The one I had cut was a remake and should have been shear cut.
If you are good with a hammer and a dolly block you can stretch the edges back
out and it will lay flat. It just takes a lot of patenience and care.
I am going to use the strip as it will be held in place by the spar itself. More
will be revealed as I get it closer to riveting.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=14998#14998
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel pump in 701. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: nyterminat@aol.com
Gary,
This is my concern too. Has anyone ran a tank dry on purpose to see what happens?
I like the idea of a header tank behind the seatback but I have installed a
load of goodies back there. May consider something in the future though. Does
the header tank get a separate vent or does it use the wing tanks as a vent?
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/912S
Our only concern is: Can "air or vapor type lock" (sp?) happen if the right
tank empties first complete and air goes inside the gascolator and the gasoline
pump?...
I will appreciate your advise, Frank...
The electric fuel gauges could be so erratic...
This is why I have the idea of installing a 1 or 2 gallons "header tank"
behind the seat back (just in case has to be exactly in the middle of both
seats!!! :-) and use the same gascolator.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico
701 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel pump in 701. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: nyterminat@aol.com
Tim
I suppose that is possible. We were not offered any way of venting the tanks on
the 701 other thann the fuel caps.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@core.com>
Sent: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:36:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aux fuel pump in 701.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@core.com>
This situation might be caused by the differential pressure on the
vents. The propeller is sending s spinning column of air back toward the
wings, if the vent from the two tanks are not connected a different
pressure can be present in each tank causing one to empty before the
other. I plan on being able to feed form both tanks on my 601 so I
connected the vents.
Tim Shankland
nyterminat@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: nyterminat@aol.com
>
> Gary,
>
>I have the exact same situation, except that my left tank empties first. My
gasolator is right behind the pilots seat in the bottom of the fuselage. I have
only been able to fly 15 hrs so far but the left one definately empties first.
I
tried switching fuel caps and it made no difference. I wonder if the tank being
closest to the gasolator makes a difference? Where is yours? I also put
individual tank shut off valves at each door header. I shut off my left one to
balance out the fuel. I also have an aux pump in series with the fuel line right
after the gasolator. Seems to work well, used to initally bring fuel to carbs on
1st start up. I also use it for takeoff and landing.
>
>Bob Spudis
>N701ZX CH701/912S
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:52:55 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aux fuel pump in 701.
>
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
>
> What we note in this first 35 hours of flying the 701, is that the right
wing
>uses the gasoline first, the left tank is about 3/4 full when the right wing
is
>near empty (1/4). in flights of more than 2 or 3 an hours (depending of the
real
>flight time, off course).>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Questions About Bending Brake |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
I used the ZAC plans, but the plans at ch601.org are better.
I think it cost about CDN$300 (it's been years), material and labour.
Carlos
--- William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com> a crit :
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
>
> Carlos,
>
> Did the welding shop built the brake from ZAC plans or
> from the plans on http://ch601.org/. How much they
> charged you.
>
> Thank you,
>
> William Dominguez
> Plansbuilt 601XL
Lche-vitrine ou lche-cran ?
magasinage.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | O-200 engine bolts hardware |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" <blb7037@cox.net>
I am putting an O-200 in my 601-XL and am having a problem finding the hardware
to attach the engine to the engine mount. I have the rubber bushings, bolts,
nuts and cotter pins shown on the lower center diagram on the drawing 6-CE-1.
I can't identify the cup washers, spacer, hose and seat. I have been to my local
FBO to try to get a setup for a Cessna 150. They could not identify the parts
I need. I won't get the engine till later this week and don't know if there
is a way to install it without those parts or not. If anyone know please let
me know.
Brian Briggerman
Fountain Hills, AZ
601XL builder
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| Subject: | Re: O-200 engine bolts hardware |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gdascomb@aol.com
Check Aircraft Spruce catalog page 272. Part # and illustrations are there.
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel pump in 701. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
The header tank (in the Kitfox and in my friends 701 instalation) has its own vent
tube, but goes up to the same level of the wing tank vents, so no overflow
will be there. Mean while we will fly the first hour in the left tank, once
we get to level flight with both. Also be sure to have both on before beguining
the landing.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
nyterminat@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: nyterminat@aol.com
Gary,
This is my concern too. Has anyone ran a tank dry on purpose to see what happens?
I like the idea of a header tank behind the seatback but I have installed a
load of goodies back there. May consider something in the future though. Does
the header tank get a separate vent or does it use the wing tanks as a vent?
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/912S
Our only concern is: Can "air or vapor type lock" (sp?) happen if the right
tank empties first complete and air goes inside the gascolator and the gasoline
pump?...
I will appreciate your advise, Frank...
The electric fuel gauges could be so erratic...
This is why I have the idea of installing a 1 or 2 gallons "header tank"
behind the seat back (just in case has to be exactly in the middle of both
seats!!! :-) and use the same gascolator.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico
701 912S
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| Subject: | RE: Aux fuel pump in 701.Aux fuel pump in 701. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ruruny@aol.com
I am using the 701 stock fuel system also, except I have 10 gal aux tanks in each
wing
outboard of the standard tanks. I'm running the rubber fuel hose per plans. Actually
the plans are very vague on much of the installation of this stock system. One
of the problems
I'm facing is locating the (2)stock gascolaters in the proper place behind the
pilots seat.
It seems the plans setup will not work as the fittings/hose will intefere with
the flap handle.
Each of these have a drain which limits you on installation options. The aux tanks
both meet
at one of these gascolaters,and the main tanks meet at the the other. Rubber fuel
line exits
the gascolaters and go up to a selector on the floor,just in front of the seat
under my left leg.
It will be labeled inboard, outboard, off. 1 hose exits the selector(same size
hose) and travels along
the left side fuselage to the right side of the firewall where I have installed
an ACS gascolater.
If I'm on the main tanks and they drain unevenly in flight, I guess I could select
the aux tanks for
awhile so the mains could balance out. One question that I have is which tanks
should I use first , the inboard or outboard thanks? Would it be wiser to drain
the outboard tanks down first? Also, what
about eliminating the 2 gascolaters behind the seat and use a TEE to connect them
together, then
continue on to the selector. This would help in fitting everything in behind the
seat without
inteference and still leave drains in each wing and the ACS gascolater? My only
other option is using
aluminum fuel line and AN fittings, which I have no experience or idea or tools
or how to do or get started.This would be a great Homebuilthelp video topic.I'm
at a point with this project where there are more questions than answers with
fuel and electrical. I'm tackling the electrical slowly in the cold garage
this winter, but the fuel system is causing overload,so I've been avoiding the
topic and work on
it. If anyone has pics of their install behind the 701 seat it would be much appreciated.
And thanks for all the help, I like when the discussion of 701 fuel system options
gets going. I feel I
know quite alot about the 601 system from the many discussions of it on the list,
thanks for looking at
the 701 also and helping out.
Brian
Long Island
N701BU 912
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