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1. 04:04 AM - Re: Re: Recessed elevator trim tab (Paul Mulwitz)
2. 04:25 AM - Zenith-list: Rudder return springs (Dave & Doretta New)
3. 05:34 AM - Control lever and horn grease (Don Mountain)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Recessed elevator trim tab (Michel Therrien)
5. 06:28 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 02/28/06 (alex trent)
6. 06:41 AM - Re: 601 Rudder pedal return spring (ron dewees)
7. 07:03 AM - Re: Control lever and horn grease (Jim Hoak)
8. 09:21 AM - Canopy storage (Doug Sire)
9. 09:27 AM - Re: Control lever and horn grease. (Gary Gower)
10. 10:31 AM - Re: Canopy storage (Jim Hoak)
11. 10:55 AM - Re: Canopy storage (LarryMcFarland)
12. 11:13 AM - Re: Recessed elevator trim tab (David X)
13. 11:38 AM - Re: Recessed elevator trim tab (Doug Sire)
14. 11:58 AM - Re: Recessed elevator trim tab (David X)
15. 01:20 PM - Wiring harness questions (John Hines)
16. 01:43 PM - Re: Wiring harness questions (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
17. 01:58 PM - Re: Aux fuel pump in 701.Aux fuel pump in 701. (steveadams)
18. 03:42 PM - Re: Canopy storage (Jim Weston)
19. 05:16 PM - Bill of sale (Brandon Tucker)
20. 05:16 PM - Bill of sale (Brandon Tucker)
21. 05:28 PM - What should the empty CG be for the 601XL? (David X)
22. 06:05 PM - Re: Bill of sale (Steve Shuck)
23. 06:20 PM - Re: Recessed elevator trim tab (David X)
24. 06:30 PM - Re: Bill of sale (Rick R)
25. 07:35 PM - Re: Bill of sale (Jack Russell)
26. 07:50 PM - Elevator trim photo assembly guide mismatch (mark doughty)
27. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Aux fuel pump in 701.Aux fuel pump in 701. (Larry)
28. 08:56 PM - Re: Canopy storage (Leo Gates)
29. 10:48 PM - Re: Bill of sale (Craig Payne)
30. 11:32 PM - Official Zenith-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Matt Dralle)
31. 11:38 PM - Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Recessed elevator trim tab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>I've been told by some to simply add a resistor, but that would
>reduce the power level to the servo, making it weaker as well as
>slower. The servo speed control does it without reducing power/strength.
I'm really confused by this one. It seems to me that to reduce the
speed of the servo motor you must reduce the voltage supplied to
it. That naturally reduces the power to the motor. There just ain't
no other way for this to work.
I think the actual circuit required to do this electrically is a
voltage divider. Since the voltage to the servo motor is actually
reversed, this would require separate divider networks for each of
the wires that supply power to the servo motor. The total number of
resistors needed for this approach would be 4 and the grand component
cost around 50 cents.
A similar approach could be done mechanically by increasing the
length of the trim tab control horn. In this case, the power would
actually be increased by slowing down the trim tab movement due to
the increased mechanical advantage.
I guess this leaves me completely baffled when I try to understand
why the design is so poor that you can't actually trim the plane for
level flight with the final design.
Paul
XL wings
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| Subject: | Zenith-list: Rudder return springs |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Doretta New" <ddnew@nebmail.com>
Subject: Rudder return springs
List
I have been flying a 601 HDS taildragger for 3 years now. Have used small springs
connected to rudder pedels with small chain and hooks. Holds pedels very well
with out too much force. Also when flying note witch pedel needs more force
to keep ball centered. Simple mater to adjust springs to use chain and hooks
to adjust pedel pressure and help center ball.
Dave New
601 HDS Taildragger Subaru
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| Subject: | Control lever and horn grease |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
As per other discussions on sticking ailerons recently, I don't find any recommendations
in the instructions on what type of grease to use on parts like the
aileron horns where they rotate and contact the supporting angles in the wings.
I noticed that you need to be real careful how tight you torque the mounting
bolts through the horns, but also found that normal "axel grease" gets kind
of stiff in cold weather. As I put my wings together, I wonder what others are
using for a lubricant on the aileron horn pivot?
Don Mountain
601XL, tail done, working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Recessed elevator trim tab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Good information ... thanks to all who responded.
Michel
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--- Zodie Rocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket"
> <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
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> Michael the larger trim tab is for the LSA
> requirements in which they
> are using 0-200's and Jab 3300's and require less
> stick pressure in full
> flap configuration. Your right it is way to much for
> normal flying
> conditions and I would not alter from the original
> design of the
> recessed trim tab. Bigger in this case is not always
> better, but for the
> U.S. Sport Pilot it is necessary and the 601XL plans
> have evolved to
> suit this category.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Michel
> Therrien
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:25 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recessed elevator trim
> tab
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien
> <mtherr@yahoo.com>
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> Thanks! On that page, we find an older version of
> the
> trim tab. However, a new version is on the XL
> pages... I'm surprised to see how big is the XL tab.
>
> Mine is much smaller and already has almost too much
> authority.
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> Michel
> do not archive
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> --- Mitch Hodges <n601mh@HODGES.INFO> wrote:
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> > Michel,
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> > Its available on the Zodiac Zenith Builder pages
> at
> > the Zenith website with the other online PDFs.
> >
> > http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-manuals.html
> >
> > Mitch Hodges
> >
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> > N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
> > Wings Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 02/28/06 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
>Time: 06:48:31 AM PST US
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: tuskegee
>From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
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>I heard one of the Tuskegee airmen speak a few years back and claimed
>the President's Wife taking a ride with the black pilot was complete
>fiction...Didn't happen!
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>Frank
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Colonel stewart claims the movie was 1% documentary and 99% drama
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder pedal return spring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Many thanks to Bill, Paul, Mike, Jim, and others for great suggestions
on the infamous "floppy pedal" problem in taildraggers.
I got a lot of great suggestions, pictures, and descriptions of ways
to fix the pedals. I suspect that the Viagra suggestion was slipped in
by a jealous nose dragger pilot tho ;-) .
Best of all I met a great bunch of happy tailwheel pilots. I
honestly didn't know there were as many taildraggers flying. We need a
flyin or something? Check out and join 601_HD-HDS Yahoo group for more
info and flyin activities in the greater Atlanta area. We would love
posts about your plane and flight experiences.
Thanks guys! I went from no soultion to about half dozen. What a nice
problem to have.
Ron DeWees
N601TD
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| Subject: | Re: Control lever and horn grease |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
List,
I've been using plain old motor oil for 9 years on my HD aileron bellcranks.
No problem.
Jim H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Mountain" <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Control lever and horn grease
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
> As per other discussions on sticking ailerons recently, I don't find any
> recommendations in the instructions on what type of grease to use on parts
> like the aileron horns where they rotate and contact the supporting angles
> in the wings. I noticed that you need to be real careful how tight you
> torque the mounting bolts through the horns, but also found that normal
> "axel grease" gets kind of stiff in cold weather. As I put my wings
> together, I wonder what others are using for a lubricant on the aileron
> horn pivot?
>
> Don Mountain
> 601XL, tail done, working on wings
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
My complete 601XL kit arrived last week and it is unpacked and
inventoried. However, since I won't be at a point where I will need the
canopy for about a year, I'm wondering how best to store it in the
interim. It will be in my basement so won't be subject to temperature
extremes, but should I leave it rolled up as it was shipped, or unroll it
and store it that way. It is still in its brown kraft wrapping paper.
Thanks,
Doug Sire
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Control lever and horn grease. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Mi airplane is a 701, but we use as a lubricant the special grease sold to assemble
the engines when they are rebuilt, the one I use is white.
Cleaning and re-greasing (sp?) is in my every year mantainance of the plane.
Now that we are building the 601 XL we are planning to make (in our lathe),
where ever possible to install, some nylon or bronce bushings... Cant remember
now the plans pages for the XL alerions, but will plan in advance something.
One local 701 builder made this bushings and they work great, not needed but
he likes to make things, but also is very weight concern... A great piece of
machinery his 701, photos soon, once its flying, he told me.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain
As per other discussions on sticking ailerons recently, I don't find any recommendations
in the instructions on what type of grease to use on parts like the
aileron horns where they rotate and contact the supporting angles in the wings.
I noticed that you need to be real careful how tight you torque the mounting
bolts through the horns, but also found that normal "axel grease" gets kind of
stiff in cold weather. As I put my wings together, I wonder what others are
using for a lubricant on the aileron horn pivot?
Don Mountain
601XL, tail done, working on wings.
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy storage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Doug,
I would suggest you unroll it and let it take it's proper shape. For safe
storage, I used a half sheet of styrafoam, supported by two 4' long pieces
of 1" x 2" wood at the ends with small holes drilled in the ends. I used
pieces of safety wire (unraveled coat hangers would work) to hang the
"shelf" from the ceiling up out of the way. The canopy sat on top of that.
It worked fine.
Jim Hoak 601HD
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy storage
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
>
> My complete 601XL kit arrived last week and it is unpacked and
> inventoried. However, since I won't be at a point where I will need the
> canopy for about a year, I'm wondering how best to store it in the
> interim. It will be in my basement so won't be subject to temperature
> extremes, but should I leave it rolled up as it was shipped, or unroll it
> and store it that way. It is still in its brown kraft wrapping paper.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug Sire
> 601XL
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy storage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Doug Sire wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
>
> However, since I won't be at a point where I will need the
>canopy for about a year, I'm wondering how best to store it in the
>interim. It will be in my basement so won't be subject to temperature
>extremes, but should I leave it rolled up as it was shipped, or unroll it
>and store it that way. It is still in its brown kraft wrapping paper.
>
>Thanks,
>Doug Sire
>601XL
>
>
>
Doug,
I stored my canopy in the ceiling of the garage. Temps won't affect
it at all if left in the natural
open position. Leave the protective film on until you absolutely
have to to complete its install.
The link below shows how it was stored in the garage for about a year.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/canopy.gif
Larry McFarland - 601HDS @ www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Recessed elevator trim tab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David X" <dxj@comcast.net>
My understanding of how the server speed control works is that it uses pulse width
modulation to control the speed of the motor - i.e. the power is switched
on an off rapidly to the motor as opposed to simply reducing the voltage.
Your idea of using a longer control arm would also require a servo with a longer
travel. A common servo used for the trim tab is a MAC 4A with a .7" travel and
10 seconds of travel time. The MAC 6A has 1" of travel and 16 seconds of travel
time. That might be a good compromise.
My only guess about the small trim tab is that it was a leftover from the HD, HDS
and UL designs which don't have flaps. I'm happy that Zenair is always improving
the design, though.
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Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Recessed elevator trim tab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
Ray Allen Company's web site offers some more information and opinions in
this area. They offer a servo speed control, and their FAQ page
addresses some pros and cons of slowing down a servo.
Doug Sire
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Recessed elevator trim tab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David X" <dxj@comcast.net>
An interesting idea in the FAQ. A switch/sensor in the flap control could be used
to bypass the speed control. The speed control could be bypassed when flaps
are used. With flaps up (cruise) the speed control is active to help reduce sensitivity.
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Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S
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| Subject: | Wiring harness questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
A few years ago I rebuilt an old car and ripped out every wire in the
thing and started over. I purchased a 12 circuit universal wiring
harness from www.hotrodwires.com . I'm doing a Corvair conversion and
something like this is very appealing. The only problem is that it uses
crappy automotive wire instead of Tefzel. Is there anything out there
like this for the home built market?
I have a very long way to go before I get to this. I'm just thinking
ahead and planning.
Thanks,
John Hines
www.johnsplane.com
John Hines
Manager
Crafton, Tull & Associates, Inc.
901 N. 47th Street, Suite 200
Rogers, AR 72756
Tel: 479-878-2449
Mob: 479-366-4783
Fax: 479-631-6224
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| Subject: | Wiring harness questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Not really, there are so many options on what toys you want in the panel
and what motor you have that every harness would almost certainly be
different.
Van's sells a starter harness and for My Rv7 I ended up tearing it apart
for the wire and rolling my own out of it.
Frank
HDS 400 hours, for sale soon
RV7a almost finished
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hines
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:21 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Wiring harness questions
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
--> <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
A few years ago I rebuilt an old car and ripped out every wire in the
thing and started over. I purchased a 12 circuit universal wiring
harness from www.hotrodwires.com . I'm doing a Corvair conversion and
something like this is very appealing. The only problem is that it uses
crappy automotive wire instead of Tefzel. Is there anything out there
like this for the home built market?
I have a very long way to go before I get to this. I'm just thinking
ahead and planning.
Thanks,
John Hines
www.johnsplane.com
John Hines
Manager
Crafton, Tull & Associates, Inc.
901 N. 47th Street, Suite 200
Rogers, AR 72756
Tel: 479-878-2449
Mob: 479-366-4783
Fax: 479-631-6224
John.Hines@craftontull.com
Crafton, Tull & Associates, Inc. exists to anticipate and understand the
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel pump in 701.Aux fuel pump in 701. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Regarding the rubber fuel lines. They are used in the 601XL factory built LSA as
well as the certified Alarus. I think they are safe, but have a 5 year life,
so you will have to change them every 5 years.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18835#18835
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy storage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Weston" <k4cod@bellsouth.net>
Doug,
Everyone will probably have a different answer to this question, as far as
what they did. I left mine rolled up for over a year. When I unrolled it,
it was just fine.
Good Luck,
Jim Weston
Concord, Ga.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy storage
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
>
> My complete 601XL kit arrived last week and it is unpacked and
> inventoried. However, since I won't be at a point where I will need the
> canopy for about a year, I'm wondering how best to store it in the
> interim. It will be in my basement so won't be subject to temperature
> extremes, but should I leave it rolled up as it was shipped, or unroll it
> and store it that way. It is still in its brown kraft wrapping paper.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug Sire
> 601XL
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
Did Zenith send you a bill of sale for each
subkit purchased? I can't find mine in my bundle O'
paperwork. Did those of you who have completed
registration get the bill of sale later from ZAC?
Thanks,
Brandon
Starting registration paperwork
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
Did Zenith send you a bill of sale for each
subkit purchased? I can't find mine in my bundle O'
paperwork. Did those of you who have completed
registration get the bill of sale later from ZAC?
Thanks,
Brandon
Starting registration paperwork
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| Subject: | What should the empty CG be for the 601XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David X" <dxj@comcast.net>
I'm interested in knowing what the [u]empty[/u] CG is out there for existing 601XL
owners - especially any who fly with a Rotax 912.
I've seen a few kit-built with Rotax engines, and they all have relatively short
noses and CGs between 14 and 15. Honestly, I think that's not good at all. In
fact, I think it's horrible.
12 inches is tolerable, but you'd have to use the wing lockers instead of the rear
baggage compartment if near max take-off weight (1320 lbs for US LSA category).
I think that 10 inches [u]empty[/u] CG would be closer to ideal. The SLSA built
by AMD has a empty CG near 10 inches with a Continental O-200. By my calculations,
they got it about as perfect as one could for the 601XL.
The attached spreadsheet can be used to play out a few CG scenarios for those who
are interested. It's much better to know this info before you buy the firewall-forward
kit.
Again, I'm interested in what sort of empty CG values are out there for the 601XL
and what engine was used. My hope is that it will help the builders out there
know what firewall-forward kits give the best results. Your help is appreciated.
--------
Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Shuck" <stshuck@comcast.net>
No they didn't send it to me until I requested it yesterday. I didn't
realize that the FAA requires it in order to register the aircraft.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Tucker" <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:12 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Bill of sale
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
> Gents,
>
> Did Zenith send you a bill of sale for each
> subkit purchased? I can't find mine in my bundle O'
> paperwork. Did those of you who have completed
> registration get the bill of sale later from ZAC?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
> Starting registration paperwork
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Recessed elevator trim tab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David X" <dxj@comcast.net>
Found a good computer for trim horn length calculations. http://www.rayallencompany.com/RACmedia/trimtabtravelcomputer.pdf
--------
Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R <rick@n701rr.com>
This DVD will take all the guess work out of registering your plane:
http://www.homebuilthelp.com/licensing.htm
Rick
Orlando, FL. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Steve: I am a little disappointed with Zac for not including a bill of sale with
the kit. They know that you will need it to register but they remain tight lipped
on the matter until asked.This has probably delayed our first flight another
month. Jack in Los osos ca
Steve Shuck <stshuck@comcast.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve
Shuck"
No they didn't send it to me until I requested it yesterday. I didn't
realize that the FAA requires it in order to register the aircraft.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Tucker"
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:12 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Bill of sale
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker
>
> Gents,
>
> Did Zenith send you a bill of sale for each
> subkit purchased? I can't find mine in my bundle O'
> paperwork. Did those of you who have completed
> registration get the bill of sale later from ZAC?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
> Starting registration paperwork
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Elevator trim photo assembly guide mismatch |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "mark doughty" <marksjunk_84@hotmail.com>
I started my Zodiac 601XL kit last year and have been just reading the list
so far, but now I
have a problem that I need to help/advice.
The photo assembly guide delivered with my plans and kit is rev 2.0 for the
small recessed trim tab.
The plans that I have are dated 02/05 and show a full width left side trim
that is attached to the
tailing end of the elevator. So, I go to the Zenith web site to get the
update photo assembly
guide. It was rev 3.0 for a recessed full width left side trim. The parts
match the plans.
I would like to get ahold of the photo assembly guide that matches my plans
and parts.
Is it still available or does anyone have the file that I can get a copy
for the full with trim that
is attached to the trailing edge of the elevator?
Mark
601XL kit builder in Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel pump in 701.Aux fuel pump in 701. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
If you use good fuel infection lines, the life is a lot more than five
years. I've seen regular fuel lines in 30 year old cars that were still in
tack and they were subjected to a lot more abuse than they would ever have
in an airplane. My2centsWorth.
Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
PS, do not use poly lines, you will be sorry.
----- Original Message -----
From: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:56 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aux fuel pump in 701.Aux fuel pump in 701.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
>
> Regarding the rubber fuel lines. They are used in the 601XL factory built
> LSA as well as the certified Alarus. I think they are safe, but have a 5
> year life, so you will have to change them every 5 years.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18835#18835
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy storage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates <leogates@allvantage.com>
Doug Sire wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
>
>My complete 601XL kit arrived last week and it is unpacked and
>inventoried. However, since I won't be at a point where I will need the
>canopy for about a year, I'm wondering how best to store it in the
>interim. It will be in my basement so won't be subject to temperature
>extremes, but should I leave it rolled up as it was shipped, or unroll it
>and store it that way. It is still in its brown kraft wrapping paper.
>
>Thanks,
>Doug Sire
>601XL
>
>
Doug,
Save yourself a lot of work. Leave it rolled up in the Kraft paper.
Mine sat in a corner of a closet in my house for _five_ years, standing
on end. When it came time to work on the canopy, I laid it on our bed
and removed the tape and Kraft paper. It SPRANG open about 80%. Two
hours later it had relaxed to full open. Leave the protective film on
until final assembly.
Been there - done that.
Leo Gates
N601Z HDS/TDO
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
So what does a scratch builder do for a bill of sale? And how does the FAA
know if you are a scratch or kit builder?
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Shuck
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bill of sale
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Shuck" <stshuck@comcast.net>
No they didn't send it to me until I requested it yesterday. I didn't
realize that the FAA requires it in order to register the aircraft.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Tucker" <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:12 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Bill of sale
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
> Gents,
>
> Did Zenith send you a bill of sale for each subkit purchased? I
> can't find mine in my bundle O'
> paperwork. Did those of you who have completed registration get the
> bill of sale later from ZAC?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
> Starting registration paperwork
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Zenith-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Zenith-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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