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1. 05:04 AM - Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts (cgalley)
2. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts (Hunt Malcolm)
3. 08:27 AM - lycoming 235 (Zill Coleman)
4. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts (Brandon Tucker)
5. 09:30 AM - Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts (LarryMcFarland)
6. 09:48 AM - Re: What should the empty CG be for the 601XL? (David X)
7. 10:18 AM - Re: What should the empty CG be for the 601XL? (AndrewC)
8. 10:18 AM - Re: lycoming 235 (shilocom@mcmsys.com)
9. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts -- Stainless Steel (Paul Mulwitz)
10. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts (shilocom@mcmsys.com)
11. 10:39 AM - Re: 601 Rudder pedal return spring (steveadams)
12. 12:42 PM - Wing Cross section (Blueraven)
13. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts (cgalley)
14. 01:14 PM - Which Swaging Tool? (Gig Giacona)
15. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts (LarryMcFarland)
16. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
17. 04:13 PM - Re: Which Swaging Tool? (Phil Maxson)
18. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts (Paul Mulwitz)
19. 06:16 PM - tragic accident (Fritz Gurschick)
20. 07:18 PM - Re: Which Swaging Tool? (Brandon Tucker)
21. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts -- Stainless Steel. (Gary Gower)
22. 07:33 PM - Re: Which Swaging Tool? (Gary Gower)
23. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts (Gary Gower)
24. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts (Larry)
25. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Which Swaging Tool? (Gary Gower)
26. 08:57 PM - Re: Re: Which Swaging Tool? (Paul Mulwitz)
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| Subject: | Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Joe, what would be your take on this? If he is using a grade 8 bolt for the
axle itself, I have some real heart burn. It is true that 8's have stronger
tensile strength than AN but the are more brittle.
I can clearly remember the plane that came into the Repair at Oshkosh
because the prop was " a little loose." Took off the spinner on the wood
prop and found many problems. 5 of the 6 bolts had broken. They were all
grade 8s. The remaining bolt that keep the plane out of Lake Winnebago as
the pilot flew over from the East was an old tougher AN. The 8's had all
fractured!
Cy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Tucker" <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:01 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
> Graham,
>
> I used standard grade 8 bolts for axles. When
> the DAR came around for my mid build inspection, I
> told him that I was going to put castle nuts on the
> bolts as soon as I found some. He stated that not
> only is grade 8 hardware acceptable, but I could
> simply tighten the nut properly, and drill a hole
> through the nut and bolt and throw in a cotter pin.
> It is nice having a common sense DAR in my EAA chapter
> who is free!
>
> R/
>
> Brandon
>
> Got my engine running today!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
Dear threads
A slightly related topic.
I'm building the dual stick version of the CH601XL and have a query on
the material for the tie rods. Current drawing show 5/16" stainless
threaded rod (no grade given for the stainless), a change from the
original drawings which just called up steel. The photo manual gives
the information as HT steel.
Can anyone advise what is being supplied in the kits and if the
stainless is being used (as in the aileron rods) for better thread
quality.
My proposal is to use 5/16" 4130N rod and thread the ends but I will
have to convince my inspector this is satisfactory.
Any thoughts?
Regards
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL Plans Builder in England
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cgalley
Sent: 06 March 2006 12:58
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Joe, what would be your take on this? If he is using a grade 8 bolt for
the
axle itself, I have some real heart burn. It is true that 8's have
stronger
tensile strength than AN but the are more brittle.
I can clearly remember the plane that came into the Repair at Oshkosh
because the prop was " a little loose." Took off the spinner on the wood
prop and found many problems. 5 of the 6 bolts had broken. They were
all
grade 8s. The remaining bolt that keep the plane out of Lake Winnebago
as
the pilot flew over from the East was an old tougher AN. The 8's had all
fractured!
Cy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Tucker" <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:01 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
> Graham,
>
> I used standard grade 8 bolts for axles. When
> the DAR came around for my mid build inspection, I
> told him that I was going to put castle nuts on the
> bolts as soon as I found some. He stated that not
> only is grade 8 hardware acceptable, but I could
> simply tighten the nut properly, and drill a hole
> through the nut and bolt and throw in a cotter pin.
> It is nice having a common sense DAR in my EAA chapter
> who is free!
>
> R/
>
> Brandon
>
> Got my engine running today!
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zill Coleman" <zill@pinnacletrans.com>
Does anyone have a Lycoming 235 for sale?
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Cy,
I would not use grade 8 on the prop for exactly the reasons you mentioned.
Initially, I ordered some "Axles" from Great Plains, and they promptly sent
me grade 5 bolts (undrilled) with a castle nut, in the wrong size...
R/
Brandon
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Hunt Malcolm wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
>
>Dear threads
>
>A slightly related topic.
>
>I'm building the dual stick version of the CH601XL and have a query on
>the material for the tie rods. Current drawing show 5/16" stainless
>threaded rod (no grade given for the stainless), a change from the
>original drawings which just called up steel. The photo manual gives
>the information as HT steel.
>
>Can anyone advise what is being supplied in the kits and if the
>stainless is being used (as in the aileron rods) for better thread
>quality.
>
>My proposal is to use 5/16" 4130N rod and thread the ends but I will
>have to convince my inspector this is satisfactory.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Regards
>
>Malcolm Hunt
>CH601XL Plans Builder in England
>
>
>
Malcolm,
Your use of 5/16-inch 4130 rod for threaded connectors should be more
than ample
strength wise. You're not using the rod for anything as tough as
required for prop bolts and
It should hold up rather well. I'd not use regular hot rolled or heat
treated rod because you would
not know just how well the heat treat went without extensively testing
it. Stainless is tougher and would also
work well in threaded connections if you don't have to weld or rivet it
at the other end.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: What should the empty CG be for the 601XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David X" <dxj@comcast.net>
I find it incredible that your aircraft is 45 lbs (20kg) lighter than the same
aircraft built for the US market by the same company. Although with lighter landing
gear, I don't see how the gear alone can make up the 45 lb difference.
The amazing empty weight (313kg/690lbs) makes your CG configuration acceptable
even in the US market were the rear CG limit is 450mm. Combined with the extended
rearward CG of 500mm (or more) in the UK ... this makes the configuration
quite acceptable, indeed.
How do you account for the amazing difference in empty weight?
--------
Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: What should the empty CG be for the 601XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "AndrewC" <andrewgcampbell@tiscali.co.uk>
I've no idea as I'm not sure what differences there are between the US and European
kits. I don't have any gyro instruments though, seats are nothing special,
no upholstery up the sides or in the baggage bays, simple fixed pitch composite
prop, but it may be that the explanation - aside from the gear - lies in
the fact that my plane is partly painted. The wings and rudder are finished but
the rest of the fuselage and the cowl need one more coat to be complete. I
suppose all the little bits add up. Once her paint job is finished she'll be
weighed again and I'll be able to see just how much fat she's picked up. I'm
expecting her to pick up another 5-10kg as a result of that and most of it aft
of the c of g.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=19932#19932
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| Subject: | Re: lycoming 235 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: shilocom@mcmsys.com
I've got a O-290 Ground power that's probably to heavey, but myabe not. Bob
U.
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zill Coleman" <zill@pinnacletrans.com>
>
>Does anyone have a Lycoming 235 for sale?
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts -- Stainless Steel |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I suspect you will find forming threads on 4130 to be huge challenge.
The drawings should always rule. If the drawing calls for stainless
steel rod and you want to use something else, I would suggest asking
for approval of the design change from Zenith.
Paul
XL wings
I'm building the dual stick version of the CH601XL and have a query on
>the material for the tie rods. Current drawing show 5/16" stainless
>threaded rod (no grade given for the stainless), a change from the
>original drawings which just called up steel.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: shilocom@mcmsys.com
Remember most stainless has considerably less tensil strengh than 4130 or Grade
8. I quite often use grade 8 bolts in structural applications, but I purchase
longe enough bolts where the threaded area is NOT load bearing and cut off the
excess threads. Take this advise for the value you paid for it. Bob U.
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
>Hunt Malcolm wrote:
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
>>
>>Dear threads
>>
>>A slightly related topic.
>>
>>I'm building the dual stick version of the CH601XL and have a query on
>>the material for the tie rods. Current drawing show 5/16" stainless
>>threaded rod (no grade given for the stainless), a change from the
>>original drawings which just called up steel. The photo manual gives
>>the information as HT steel.
>>
>>Can anyone advise what is being supplied in the kits and if the
>>stainless is being used (as in the aileron rods) for better thread
>>quality.
>>
>>My proposal is to use 5/16" 4130N rod and thread the ends but I will
>>have to convince my inspector this is satisfactory.
>>
>>Any thoughts?
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Malcolm Hunt
>>CH601XL Plans Builder in England
>>
>>
>>
> Malcolm,
>
> Your use of 5/16-inch 4130 rod for threaded connectors should be more
>than ample
>strength wise. You're not using the rod for anything as tough as
>required for prop bolts and
>It should hold up rather well. I'd not use regular hot rolled or heat
>treated rod because you would
>not know just how well the heat treat went without extensively testing
>it. Stainless is tougher and would also
>work well in threaded connections if you don't have to weld or rivet it
>at the other end.
>
>Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder pedal return spring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
I have read of an accident, I am not sure of the aircraft type, where the builder
had some springs attached to the rudder petals to hold them forward. One of
the springs broke, and the springs were so strong it pulled the opposite rudder
petal full forward with full deflection of the rudder. Not something you would
want to happen at the wrong time. For this reason, I would go with one of
the other suggestions, or go with a spring that would only hold it up in a neutral
position if the opposite spring was to break.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=19939#19939
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| Subject: | Wing Cross section |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Blueraven <bluedog@ak.net>
All,
I am trying to get the cross-section of the 801 wing for comparisions to
some others.
Does anyone have that in a cad dxf or cad dwg format or even an accurate
pic file format they cld send me?
Wld look something like:
thanks
RH
==============
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| Subject: | Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
One of the problems that Malcolm has to endure is every change has to be
approved by the PFA. He is in England where the plans have to be approved.
No deviations permitted without their approval. Even have to hire their test
pilot to fly off the test hours.
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
> Hunt Malcolm wrote:
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm"
>><Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
>>
>>Dear threads
>>
>>A slightly related topic.
>>
>>I'm building the dual stick version of the CH601XL and have a query on
>>the material for the tie rods. Current drawing show 5/16" stainless
>>threaded rod (no grade given for the stainless), a change from the
>>original drawings which just called up steel. The photo manual gives
>>the information as HT steel.
>>
>>Can anyone advise what is being supplied in the kits and if the
>>stainless is being used (as in the aileron rods) for better thread
>>quality.
>>
>>My proposal is to use 5/16" 4130N rod and thread the ends but I will
>>have to convince my inspector this is satisfactory.
>>
>>Any thoughts?
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Malcolm Hunt
>>CH601XL Plans Builder in England
>>
>>
>>
> Malcolm,
>
> Your use of 5/16-inch 4130 rod for threaded connectors should be more
> than ample
> strength wise. You're not using the rod for anything as tough as
> required for prop bolts and
> It should hold up rather well. I'd not use regular hot rolled or heat
> treated rod because you would
> not know just how well the heat treat went without extensively testing
> it. Stainless is tougher and would also
> work well in threaded connections if you don't have to weld or rivet it
> at the other end.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Which Swaging Tool? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Which tool are you guys using? Anyone use this one from Aircraft Spruce?
--------
W.R. Gig Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
And, as with previous experiences, with our other friend, Richard Mc in
the U.K., Zenith
will not answer technical questions put to them, even on a Zenith
aircraft. Not sure what the
problem is here..................
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
cgalley wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
>One of the problems that Malcolm has to endure is every change has to be
>approved by the PFA. He is in England where the plans have to be approved.
>No deviations permitted without their approval. Even have to hire their test
>pilot to fly off the test hours.
>
>Cy Galley
>EAA Safety Programs Editor
>Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:28 AM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts
>
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>>
>>Hunt Malcolm wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm"
>>><Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
>>>
>>>Dear threads
>>>
>>>A slightly related topic.
>>>
>>>I'm building the dual stick version of the CH601XL and have a query on
>>>the material for the tie rods. Current drawing show 5/16" stainless
>>>threaded rod (no grade given for the stainless), a change from the
>>>original drawings which just called up steel. The photo manual gives
>>>the information as HT steel.
>>>
>>>Can anyone advise what is being supplied in the kits and if the
>>>stainless is being used (as in the aileron rods) for better thread
>>>quality.
>>>
>>>My proposal is to use 5/16" 4130N rod and thread the ends but I will
>>>have to convince my inspector this is satisfactory.
>>>
>>>Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>Malcolm Hunt
>>>CH601XL Plans Builder in England
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Malcolm,
>>
>> Your use of 5/16-inch 4130 rod for threaded connectors should be more
>>than ample
>>strength wise. You're not using the rod for anything as tough as
>>required for prop bolts and
>>It should hold up rather well. I'd not use regular hot rolled or heat
>>treated rod because you would
>>not know just how well the heat treat went without extensively testing
>>it. Stainless is tougher and would also
>>work well in threaded connections if you don't have to weld or rivet it
>>at the other end.
>>
>>Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
Has anyone had a problem with the metric bolts used for the Warp Drive prop
on the 912 or 912S?
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| Subject: | Which Swaging Tool? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
I used the budget one from Aircraft Spruce for all my cables in the XL. It
takes a little longer than a better tool, but it worked just fine. There
aren't that many swages to do anyway.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
DAR arrives Thursday or Friday for the inspection!
>From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Which Swaging Tool?
>Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:12:41 -0800
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>
>Which tool are you guys using? Anyone use this one from Aircraft Spruce?
>
>
>--------
>W.R. Gig Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=19969#19969
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I am really surprised by your problem with Zenith. They have always
been very responsive to me.
Perhaps you need to include your serial number with your inquiry?
Paul
Xl wings
>And, as with previous experiences, with our other friend, Richard Mc in
>the U.K., Zenith
>will not answer technical questions put to them, even on a Zenith
>aircraft. Not sure what the
>problem is here..................
>
>Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Fritz Gurschick <taffy8706@yahoo.com>
Has anyone heard as to what went wrong to cause this
tragic accident?-------- Fritz
NTSB Identification: LAX06LA105
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Wednesday, February 08, 2006 in
Oakdale, CA
Aircraft: Zenith Aircraft Company Zodiac 601XL,
registration: N105RH
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
This is preliminary information, subject to change,
and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will
be corrected when the final report has been completed.
On February 8, 2006, at 1518 Pacific standard time, an
experimental Zenith Aircraft Company Zodiac 601XL,
broke up in flight and impacted flat open terrain in a
nose down attitude near Oakdale Airport (O27),
Oakdale, California. The pilot/owner operated the
airplane under the provisions of 14 CFR Part 91. The
airplane was destroyed. The private pilot/owner and
the certified flight instructor (CFI) were fatally
injured. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed
for the local area flight that departed Modesto
City-County Airport-Harry Sham Field (MOD), Modesto,
California, about 1500. No flight plan had been filed.
Witnesses, who saw them boarding at Modesto, indicated
that the CFI was seated in the left seat, and the
pilot/owner was seated in the right seat.
According to witnesses in the area, the airplane
entered the pattern for landing at Oakdale about 1515.
The left wing bent up (perpendicular to the fuselage)
and folded back and the airplane started to spin to
the right. Other witnesses reported that the airplane
completed one full revolution before the right wing
bent up (perpendicular to the fuselage) and folded
back. The airplane's nose pitched down between 60-70
degrees, and impacted the ground. No unusual noises
were heard coming from the engine.
According to a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)
airworthiness inspector, the airplane was purchased in
Hemet, California. The airplane was delivered to
Modesto on December 15, 2005, where it sat in its
hangar until the day of the accident.
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| Subject: | RE: Which Swaging Tool? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gig,
I bought one exactly like this on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nicopress-Swage-Tool-20-inch-swaging-swager_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26440QQitemZ4617475412QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
This is good quality at a reasonable price. I
even loaned it to the A&P at work. He liked it...
R/
Brandon
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| Subject: | Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts -- Stainless Steel. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I have been working (my everyday job) with stainless steel for 15 years, for that
aplication go as the plans. You will be safe.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
I suspect you will find forming threads on 4130 to be huge challenge.
The drawings should always rule. If the drawing calls for stainless
steel rod and you want to use something else, I would suggest asking
for approval of the design change from Zenith.
Paul
XL wings
I'm building the dual stick version of the CH601XL and have a query on
>the material for the tie rods. Current drawing show 5/16" stainless
>threaded rod (no grade given for the stainless), a change from the
>original drawings which just called up steel.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Which Swaging Tool? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I am using the big professional one, also from Spruce, is like a chain cutter pliers
but with the swages calibrated.
part number: 12-12400 SWAGING TOOL 1-SC WITH CUTTER
Also got the Go- noGo tool inexpensive but necesary:
13-03814 GA-1P GO NO-GO SLEEVE GAUGE
Bought them about 8 years ago, is the only one (we know) in the city and I have
done all the swages myself in the homebuilts here (to keep track of the tool
and quality of the process), I also am a Builder Adviser for the local EAA
equivalent. So no problem to visit the project at the same time...
Saludos
Gary Gower
Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@cox.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona"
Which tool are you guys using? Anyone use this one from Aircraft Spruce?
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W.R. Gig Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=19969#19969
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| Subject: | Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
No, not at all. What problem do you had?
Saludos
Gary Gower
JERICKSON03E@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
Has anyone had a problem with the metric bolts used for the Warp Drive prop
on the 912 or 912S?
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| Subject: | Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
There is another under laying cause for the "breaking" of the grade 8 bolts.
It's not the fact that they are grade 8 alone. Probably not the right size,
not torqued properly, over torqued, no locking nuts, pins, etc, or a
combination of the aforementioned. Somebody forgot to do something. Six
properly install 3/8" grade 8 bolts would not be the problem.
Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> Joe, what would be your take on this? If he is using a grade 8 bolt for
> the
> axle itself, I have some real heart burn. It is true that 8's have
> stronger
> tensile strength than AN but the are more brittle.
>
> I can clearly remember the plane that came into the Repair at Oshkosh
> because the prop was " a little loose." Took off the spinner on the wood
> prop and found many problems. 5 of the 6 bolts had broken. They were all
> grade 8s. The remaining bolt that keep the plane out of Lake Winnebago as
> the pilot flew over from the East was an old tougher AN. The 8's had all
> fractured!
>
> Cy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandon Tucker" <btucke73@yahoo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:01 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Grades of Nuts & Bolts
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Graham,
>>
>> I used standard grade 8 bolts for axles. When
>> the DAR came around for my mid build inspection, I
>> told him that I was going to put castle nuts on the
>> bolts as soon as I found some. He stated that not
>> only is grade 8 hardware acceptable, but I could
>> simply tighten the nut properly, and drill a hole
>> through the nut and bolt and throw in a cotter pin.
>> It is nice having a common sense DAR in my EAA chapter
>> who is free!
>>
>> R/
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>> Got my engine running today!
>>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Which Swaging Tool? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
That one will do, but its limited in the size of the nicos.
The one in Spruce has for about 11 sizes of nicos and is about 2 or 3 times
longer and well built...
Has been of lots of help to all the local builders. Expensive to buy for one
project. But what good tool is expensive when used in our lifetime?
Yes, I thought of buying it for several minutes... but at the last moment I
added to my order, was good I did.
One time I went to a Sears in Houston, Saw a great tool box, left it for another
trip, still thinking and angry about it 5 years later...
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker
Gig,
I bought one exactly like this on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nicopress-Swage-Tool-20-inch-swaging-swager_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26440QQitemZ4617475412QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
This is good quality at a reasonable price. I
even loaned it to the A&P at work. He liked it...
R/
Brandon
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Always yield to temptation -- it may not pass your way again!
Do not archive.
Paul
At 07:50 PM 3/6/2006, you wrote:
>One time I went to a Sears in Houston, Saw a great tool box, left
>it for another trip, still thinking and angry about it 5 years later...
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