---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/11/06: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:34 AM - Re: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. (Jari Kaija) 2. 06:44 AM - Re: Unstable UMA Tach (LarryMcFarland) 3. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 36 Msgs - 03/09/06 (Roger) 4. 12:18 PM - Compatability with Jabiru (Jim) 5. 03:33 PM - Plexiglas drill altering diagram & instructions (Randy L. Thwing) 6. 04:29 PM - Gyro Heading Indicator kaput... (Grant Corriveau) 7. 05:27 PM - fuel gauge sender () 8. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Degaus (John Anderson) 9. 06:46 PM - Re: fuel gauge sender (Gdascomb@aol.com) 10. 06:58 PM - Re: Degaus (Tommy Walker) 11. 08:46 PM - Re: Unstable UMA Tach (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 12. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Good advertisement. (Gary Gower) 13. 10:59 PM - Alodine and Zinc Chromate (messydeer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:24 AM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > Hmm, maybe things have changed. I think, I should know it :-) > done sometime in '70s and by that time the Flybaby prototype had been > flying for more than decade at that point. Magic word: 'Prototype'. rgds: Jari Kaija www.jarikaija.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:40 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unstable UMA Tach --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Ron, I had a UMA tach that would go erratic above 3000 rpm and swapped it out for a VDO which is rock solid throughout its range. I've got a diagram of how the VDO and my EIS are wired to the ignition switch. The UMA had a wire coiled around the number 1 plug wire and it just wouldn't work reliably as an impulse reader. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/electrical/full/Ignition-Dual-Dizzy-and-TP4.gif Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ron dewees wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees > >While on the subject of unstable tachs I have a question myself. I have >a UMA tach on my Jab 3300 (0 to 3500 rpm scale) and it's spot-on >accurate from 1000 rpm to beyond 3100 rpm. The problem is that it just >stops reading and goes to zero rpms below 950 or so rpms. When it's >sitting on O rpm I don't know if it's at low idle or stopped. Don't >want to grind up a starter taking the wrong action! If I keep it at >fast idle it's great. It uses a pickup wire from the voltage regulator >to trigger it so there isn't any way to put it on the other mag, etc. >Anyone have any ideas or the same experience with a UMA tach? >Thanks >Ron DeWees > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:18 AM PST US From: Roger Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 36 Msgs - 03/09/06 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Roger BR, I have been on this list a long time and I appreciate the restrained "advertising", mostly from fellow builders on this list. Roger -----Original Message----- >From: Blueraven >Sent: Mar 10, 2006 1:41 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 36 Msgs - 03/09/06 > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Blueraven > >I'm new to the list but was wondering.. > >Why dont he advertizer's on this list set up a page where they can put >there info and links rather than trying to hawk there wares when the >people are trying to get answers to their questions. > >that wld save time for everyone.. > >BR >========== > >Zenith-List Digest Server wrote: > >>* >> >> ================================================== >> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive >> ================================================== >> >>Today's complete Zenith-List Digest can also be found in either of the >>two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted >>in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >>and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >>of the Zenith-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >>such as Notepad or with a web browser. >> >>HTML Version: >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2006-03-09.html >> >>Text Version: >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2006-03-09.txt >> >> >> ================================================ >> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive >> ================================================ >> >> >> Zenith-List Digest Archive >> --- >> Total Messages Posted Thu 03/09/06: 36 >> >> >>Today's Message Index: >>---------------------- >> >> 1. 05:01 AM - Re: Tach problem (Zed Smith) >> 2. 05:01 AM - Re: Aileron Trim (Michel Therrien) >> 3. 06:58 AM - Re: Unstable Tach (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) >> 4. 08:11 AM - Re: Franklin Engines? (shilocom@mcmsys.com) >> 5. 08:48 AM - Re: Stabilizer Skin (Chuck & Lana Maggart) >> 6. 10:21 AM - Re: Franklin Engines (John Anderson) >> 7. 11:14 AM - Drilling plastic lens (Don Mountain) >> 8. 11:22 AM - Re: Franklin Engines (Don Mountain) >> 9. 11:30 AM - Re: Drilling plastic lens (BrownTool@aol.com) >> 10. 11:35 AM - Re: Drilling plastic lens (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) >> 11. 12:04 PM - Re: Drilling plastic lens (Robert Schoenberger) >> 12. 12:47 PM - Re: Drilling plastic lens (Randy L. Thwing) >> 13. 01:44 PM - Re: Drilling plastic lens (cgalley) >> 14. 01:48 PM - Re: Drilling plastic lens () >> 15. 01:57 PM - Re: Drilling plastic lens (Geoff Heap) >> 16. 03:23 PM - Insurance (Chuck Deiterich) >> 17. 04:19 PM - Re: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. (Bill+Rose) >> 18. 04:19 PM - Re: Franklin Engines? (Bill+Rose) >> 19. 04:45 PM - Re: Franklin Engines? (n801bh@netzero.com) >> 20. 06:09 PM - Re: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. (LarryMcFarland) >> 21. 06:52 PM - Re: Unstable Tach (Tim & Diane Shankland) >> 22. 07:35 PM - Re: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. (Mike Sinclair) >> 23. 07:35 PM - Re: Franklin Engines? (Randy L. Thwing) >> 24. 08:36 PM - Re: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) >> 25. 08:36 PM - Re: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. (Thilo Kind) >> 26. 08:39 PM - Re: Franklin Engines? (Jimbo) >> 27. 09:13 PM - Crimping tool (LHusky@aol.com) >> 28. 09:32 PM - Re: Crimping tool (Zodie Rocket) >> 29. 09:49 PM - Re: Crimping tool (Paul Mulwitz) >> 30. 09:49 PM - Re: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. (Zodie Rocket) >> 31. 10:01 PM - Re: Crimping tool (Zodie Rocket) >> 32. 10:01 PM - Re: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. (Gary Gower) >> 33. 10:10 PM - Re: Crimping tool (LHusky@aol.com) >> 34. 10:19 PM - Re: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. (Mike Sinclair) >> 35. 10:32 PM - crimping tool (George Swinford) >> 36. 11:52 PM - Re: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. (Thilo Kind) >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 05:01:54 AM PST US >>From: Zed Smith >>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tach problem >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith >> >>This may NOT be a cure. >> >>A previous installation of my 912 had a tach problem....found that the bundle of >>wire from engine to firewall, including Oil Temp, Oil Press, CHT, Tach, etc, >>was "near" the top left rear spark plug wire. "Near" in this case was about >>3mm (three millimeters), a mistake by the builder. >> >>There was enough induced voltage from the plug wire, at various RPM settings, to >>interfere with the AC being sent to the tach that the whole mess was totally >>un-reliable. The pulses to the plug added "extra" pulses to the tach leads, >>or were exactly in phase at times and had a cancelling effect on the tach pulses. >>Whatever. It didn't work. >> >>Moved/separated stuff in the bundle. Cured the problem. >> >>All cases are different, results not typical, batteries not included, some assembly >>required, consult your doctor. >> >>do not archive >> >>Regards, >> >>Zed/701/912/905/etc >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 05:01:54 AM PST US >>From: Michel Therrien >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron Trim >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien >> >> >>I don't have measurements, but I describe how I did on >>my website. I made a mockup aileron to test various >>installations before making an opening in my aileron. >> >>http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/chowings4.htm >> >>The tab is effective for the purpose you identified, >>but the airplane should be fairly balanced first (it >>is not enough effective to correct major balance >>problems and you probably do not want to use too much >>aileron deflection just for keeping the plane >>straight). >> >>>From my picture, it appears the tab is 420 mm wide. >> >>I do believe that the tab will be more effective if >>installed inboard of the wing than at the outboard end >>of the wing. The tab acts to move the aileron up or >>down, not the wing. I think that if installed at the >>outboard end, the tab has more power to act on the >>position of the wing (arm) while it does have the same >>effect on the aileron than if it is on the inboard end >>(more cancellation of effect). But, this being said, >>I'm not an ingineer... Real ingineers, you're welcome >>to shoot or support this therory! >> >>Michel >>PS: I also had a heavy left wing problem. I corrected >>it by making a new rear spar attachment plate on which >>I offset the hole. The new plate was matched drilled >>with the old plate installed on a drilling jig (a >>piece of plywood with two guides at 90 degrees). It >>took a long evening to remove the wing, remove the >>rear plate, drill a new plate, install it, and >>readjust the incidence of the wing root fairing >>(remove rivets, position, redrill, install a few >>additional rivets.) >> >>To check the incidence, I attached plastic blocs on a >>level. On each bloc, I tapped holes and installed >>screws. The front bloc fits under the front spar. >>The rear bloc fits under the rear spar. By adjusting >>the screws to get the level straight on one wing, I >>was able to compare the level of the second wing. I >>was also able to confirm that there is no twist in the >>wings. It is also easy to calculate the exact >>incidence of the wing (calculate the height difference >>of the screws, consider the height of the rear spar >>relative to the front spar - from the rib template, >>apply sinus law or something like that). >> >> >> >> >> >>--- john H wrote: >> >> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" >>> >>> >>>Hi List >>>I am going to retrofit my 601HHD with an aileron >>>trim to balance out my >>>heavy left wing when flying solo. Does anyone have >>>drawings as how to do >>>this? I will be using the RAC servo with external >>>trim tab. Was wondering >>>how far back from the trailing edge to mount the >>>servo? Left or right wing >>>preference? Size of the trim tab and any other >>>helpful info and drawings. >>> >>>Thanks >>>John >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>browse >>>Subscriptions page, >>>FAQ, >>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >>> >>>Admin. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>---------------------------- >>Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ >> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 >> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby >> http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 06:58:58 AM PST US >>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Unstable Tach >>From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >> >>Sometimes (quite often actually) the coils go bad (low resisatnce on the >>primary side...It usually frys the $300 ignitor chip too so you need to >>check this out before your next flight). >> >>I could how this might cause it...Check your primary coil resistance, >>should be about 1.1 ohms I believe. >> >>Try swapping just the coils and see if the problem follows the coil. >> >>Frank >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim & Diane >>Shankland >>Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:11 PM >>Subject: Zenith-List: Unstable Tach >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland >>--> >> >>I remember this being discussed in the past but I have not been able to >>locate anything with the search engine. I have a Status Suburu and a VDO >>tach. Above 3000 RPM's the tach become unstable, jumping 1000 RPM's or >>more at a time. I have tried some filtering on the line with no success. >> >>When I switch the tach to the secondary ignition it is stable. I was >>hoping someone had solved this before, so I have to cart my Tectronics >>scope out to the shop and try to track this down. >> >>Tim Shankland >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 08:11:49 AM PST US >>From: shilocom@mcmsys.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Franklin Engines? >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: shilocom@mcmsys.com >> >>IMHO the polock engines are not near the quality of the old american engines, >>but are the same basic engine, but a lot of changes in manufacture etc. Buy >>the old heavy case engines if you have a choice. Bob U. >> >> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill+Rose" >>> >>> Franklins are made in Poland from the original drawings. They've been >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>around about as long as Continental or Lycoming. Don't know if they're >>>related to the radials. The Polish do good work, but there's more data >>>available for the Jabiru, at about the same price. Already looked into them- >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>factor in cowl and mount availability. >>> Bill >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Don Mountain" >>>To: "Zenith" >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:02 PM >>>Subject: Zenith-List: Franklin Engines? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>>Whats the scoop on these Franklin engines? Who makes them? How long have >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>>they been around? Where are they made? Are they any good? Does anybody >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>>have one flying? Are they any relation to the old Franklin radial engines >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>>made many years ago? >>>> >>>>Don Mountain >>>> >>>> >>>>--------------------------------- >>>>Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 08:48:31 AM PST US >>From: "Chuck & Lana Maggart" >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stabilizer Skin >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck & Lana Maggart" >> >>I had a similar problem with a skin that appeared too short to wrap around. After >>talking to Nick, he told me to wrap the skins BEFORE adding the tip ribs. >>It worked just fine. The newer instructions also say to do this on page 7 of >>12 for dwg.6T2A, rev. 2/28/05. >> >>Chuck Maggart >>601XL nearly finished >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 10:21:18 AM PST US >>From: "John Anderson" >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Franklin Engines >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Anderson" >> >>Hi Group, >> Just to add to Ray's comment on the Franklin's smoothness. I have been >>privileged to own three Stinsons. They were all extremely smooth and no >>squawks in 720 hours. I noticed that Franklin now is producing 0235s. I bet >>it is a lot smoother than my Hd 601 Lycoming 0235. I know it is a lot less >>expensive at $7000. Bet it's not any stronger. >>John Al >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ray Murphy" >>Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:13 PM >>Subject: Zenith-List: Franklin Engines >> >> >> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ray Murphy" >>> >>>My Stinson 108-3 had a Franklin Engine. It was a 6 cyl. and 165 hp. >>> >>> >>Without a doubt, it was the smoothest piston engine I've ever flown behind. >> >> >>>Ray Murphy >>>Bandon, OR >>>601 XL wannabe >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 11:14:54 AM PST US >>From: Don Mountain >>Subject: Zenith-List: Drilling plastic lens >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain >> >>I am getting ready to drill some 3/16" diameter holes through the plastic lens >>for the headlights on my 601 XL. What should I use? I have tried drilling holes >>in plastic before and had normal bits with a tip angle of 118 degrees grab >>and split the plastic. Is there a better solution? >> >>Don Mountain >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 11:22:03 AM PST US >>From: Don Mountain >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Franklin Engines >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain >> >>They don't seem to have much of a presence in the United States market. I looked >>at their web page after someone else here mentioned the apparent cheap price. >>And that someone down in Georgia sells them. Thats a little far to go for >>parts from Iowa. And I never see any parts advertised for them. I think I will >>let someone else take the plunge first and put one in a 601 XL. >> >>Don >> >>John Anderson wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: >>"John Anderson" >> >>Hi Group, >> Just to add to Ray's comment on the Franklin's smoothness. I have been >>privileged to own three Stinsons. They were all extremely smooth and no >>squawks in 720 hours. I noticed that Franklin now is producing 0235s. I bet >>it is a lot smoother than my Hd 601 Lycoming 0235. I know it is a lot less >>expensive at $7000. Bet it's not any stronger. >>John Al >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ray Murphy" >>Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:13 PM >>Subject: Zenith-List: Franklin Engines >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 11:30:12 AM PST US >>From: BrownTool@aol.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling plastic lens >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: BrownTool@aol.com >> >> >>In a message dated 3/9/2006 1:15:42 PM Central Standard Time, >>mountain4don@yahoo.com writes: >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain >> >>I am getting ready to drill some 3/16" diameter holes through the plastic >>lens for the headlights on my 601 XL. What should I use? I have tried >>drilling holes in plastic before and had normal bits with a tip angle of 118 degrees >> >>grab and split the plastic. Is there a better solution? >> >>Don Mountain >> >> >> >> >>Don and Zenith Listers, >> >>My company and most of the other kit aircraft tool suppliers sell drill bits >>specifically designed to drill plastics, plexiglas, and similar materials. >>The key factor is to have no "rake" on the cutting edge of the drill bit which >> >>prevents "grabbing" in these types of materials. >> >>Ours can be found on our website at: >> >>http://www.browntool.com/productselect.asp?ProductID=635 >> >>As always, feel free to contact me off list with any technical application >>issues. >> >>Take care, >> >>Michael Brown >> >>Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. >>2536 S.E. 15th Street >>Oklahoma City, OK 73129 >>USA >> >>405-688-6888 >>Fax 405-688-6555 >>browntool@aol.com >>www.browntool.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 11:35:48 AM PST US >>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Drilling plastic lens >>From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >> >>There are special flexi glass drill bits...These have a much steeper >>angle...Or you can grind and old drill bit to look like a pencil and it >>works pretty well...Warm the plastic to 100F...in front of your shop >>heater. >> >>Frank >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don >>Mountain >>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:12 AM >>Subject: Zenith-List: Drilling plastic lens >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain >> >>I am getting ready to drill some 3/16" diameter holes through the >>plastic lens for the headlights on my 601 XL. What should I use? I >>have tried drilling holes in plastic before and had normal bits with a >>tip angle of 118 degrees grab and split the plastic. Is there a better >>solution? >> >>Don Mountain >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 12:04:31 PM PST US >>From: "Robert Schoenberger" >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling plastic lens >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" >> >>It's nice to see another pro monitoring our list and offering advice. >>Thanks Mike. Robert Schoenberger 701 do not archive. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 2:28 PM >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling plastic lens >> >> >> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: BrownTool@aol.com >>> >>> >>>In a message dated 3/9/2006 1:15:42 PM Central Standard Time, >>>mountain4don@yahoo.com writes: >>> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain >>> >>>I am getting ready to drill some 3/16" diameter holes through the plastic >>>lens for the headlights on my 601 XL. What should I use? I have tried >>>drilling holes in plastic before and had normal bits with a tip angle of >>>118 degrees >>>grab and split the plastic. Is there a better solution? >>> >>>Don Mountain >>> >>> >>>Don and Zenith Listers, >>> >>>My company and most of the other kit aircraft tool suppliers sell drill >>>bits >>>specifically designed to drill plastics, plexiglas, and similar materials. >>>The key factor is to have no "rake" on the cutting edge of the drill bit >>>which >>>prevents "grabbing" in these types of materials. >>> >>>Ours can be found on our website at: >>> >>>http://www.browntool.com/productselect.asp?ProductID=635 >>> >>>As always, feel free to contact me off list with any technical application >>>issues. >>> >>>Take care, >>> >>>Michael Brown >>> >>>Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. >>>2536 S.E. 15th Street >>>Oklahoma City, OK 73129 >>>USA >>> >>>405-688-6888 >>>Fax 405-688-6555 >>>browntool@aol.com >>>www.browntool.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 12:47:58 PM PST US >>From: "Randy L. Thwing" >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling plastic lens >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" >> >>>From the archives: >> >>The two most common twist drill types off the shelf are: >> >>1. High speed steel, 118 degree point angle, standard chisel point. >> >>2. Cobalt steel, 135 degree point angle, split point. >> >>The standard chisel point tends to "walk" when started into work without >>center punching. The split point is considered self centering and center >>punching for hole location is not required. Cobalt steel is high speed >>steel with 6 to 8 percent cobalt added which makes it more wear resistant, >>giving more holes between sharpenings. Although either type works well in >>standard materials, for the small price difference, I always buy the cobalt >>split points. >> >>For a detailed article on drill point geometry, including altering drills to >>drill plexiglass, try this link: >> >>http://www.newmantools.com/machines/drillpoint.html >> >>Randy L. Thwing, do not archive, again >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 01:44:56 PM PST US >>From: "cgalley" >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling plastic lens >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" >> >>Use a Unibit! Works great. No grab. >> >>Cy Galley - Chair, >>AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair >>A Service Project of Chapter 75 >>EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC >>EAA Sport Pilot >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Don Mountain" >>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:11 PM >>Subject: Zenith-List: Drilling plastic lens >> >> >> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain >>> >>>I am getting ready to drill some 3/16" diameter holes through the plastic >>>lens for the headlights on my 601 XL. What should I use? I have tried >>>drilling holes in plastic before and had normal bits with a tip angle of >>>118 degrees grab and split the plastic. Is there a better solution? >>> >>>Don Mountain >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------- >>>Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 01:48:38 PM PST US >>From: >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling plastic lens >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: >> >>Try a brand new 3-point bit with high speed and light pressure and masking tape >>on the back side. Also make certain that the plastic is supported by a wood block >>to spread out the pressure from the drill. >> >>Ed Moody II >>Rayne, LA >>601XL waiting on kit >> >> >> >>>I am getting ready to drill some 3/16" diameter holes through the plastic lens >>> >>> >>for the headlights on my 601 XL. What should I use? I have tried drilling >>holes in plastic before and had normal bits with a tip angle of 118 degrees grab >>and split the plastic. Is there a better solution? >> >> >>>Don Mountain >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------- >>>Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 01:57:09 PM PST US >>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Drilling plastic lens >>From: "Geoff Heap" >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" >> >>"frank.hinde(at)hp.com" suggested a very sharp drillpoint angle. Thats what I would >>do. However, you can find that angle on center drills which are cheap and >>I always have plenty of them around. I would use a #2 center drill which has >>a body dia of 3/16. I would take it almost all the way through and then turn the >>part around and finish drilling it from the back. That way you don't risk a >>breakout. Try a test part first. There is a good chance that the steep angle >>on the center drill will act the way Frank said and drill a good hole from one >>side only >> Geoff Heap >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=20668#20668 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 03:23:46 PM PST US >>From: "Chuck Deiterich" >>Subject: Zenith-List: Insurance >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" >> >>I just called my insurance company (Falcon) and asked what the changes would be >>if I started flying as a Sport Pilot instead of a Private Pilot (not getting >>my medical renewed). He answer was no change in cost or coverage. >> >>I just did my bi-annual in my CH 701, what a hoot. The CFI enjoyed it too. >> >>Chuck D. >>N701TX >>do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 04:19:27 PM PST US >>From: "Bill+Rose" >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill+Rose" >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "LarryMcFarland" >>Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:56 PM >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. >> >> >> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland >>> >>> >>> >>Larry- >> Trying to Scotch any speculation. What does Zenith recommend for static >>testing? >> Bill >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>Concerned as well but, >>>I'd not recommend speculation on anything until facts are in. It's got >>>to be something as simple as >>>an incorrectly fastened or fabricated spar. The people investigating >>>will be able to easily see >>>what gave it up in the first place. Incorrect assembly will >>>differentiate itself from outright failure as >>>strongly as a fatigued part or incorrect material, bolts etc. The >>>people that do these investigations are better at >>>it than we are and are seeing a lot more of it these days. I'd predict >>>it's not going to be as hard as it sounds, >>>but will take a little more time. >>> >>>From the perspective of one that's blissfully retired going on 3 years >>>now. >>> >>> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com >>> do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 04:19:27 PM PST US >>From: "Bill+Rose" >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Franklin Engines? >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill+Rose" >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Bill+Rose" >>Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:02 PM >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Franklin Engines? >> >> >> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill+Rose" >>>Everyone missed my main point- once again, >>>Already looked into them- >>>FACTOR IN COWL AND MOUNT AVAILABILITY!!!!!!!!! >>> Bill >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Don Mountain" >>>To: "Zenith" >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:02 PM >>>Subject: Zenith-List: Franklin Engines? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain >>>> >>>>Whats the scoop on these Franklin engines? Who makes them? How long >>>>have >>>>they been around? Where are they made? Are they any good? Does anybody >>>>have one flying? Are they any relation to the old Franklin radial >>>>engines >>>>made many years ago? >>>> >>>>Don Mountain >>>> >>>> >>>>--------------------------------- >>>>Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 04:45:22 PM PST US >>From: "n801bh@netzero.com" >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Franklin Engines? >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" >> >>IMHO the polock engines are not near the quality of the old american engines, >>but are the same basic engine, but a lot of changes in manufacture etc. Buy >>the old heavy case engines if you have a choice. Bob U. >> >> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill+Rose" >> >>> >>l.net> >> >>////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>I could be wrong here but, When I tried to buy a new a 6 cyl 350 cu in 220 hp Franklin >>for my 801 from the distributor in Colorado a few years back I was told >>by him that Frankiln was going out of businees and altho he could sell me one >>of his last ones he had in stock he said "good luck on finding parts later". >>Like I said this guy might have been full of you know what. >>do not archive >> >> >>Ben Haas >>N801BH >>www.haaspowerair.com >> >> >> >>IMHO the polock engines are not near the quality of the old american engines, >>but are the same basic engine, but a lot of changes in manufacture etc. Buy >>the old heavy case engines if you have a choice. Bob U. >> >>-- Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill+Rose" >#">naumuk@allte >>l.net >> >> >> >> >> >>////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >> >> >> >>I could be wrong here but, When I tried to buy a newa 6 cyl 350 cu in 220 hpFranklin >>for my 801from the distributor in Colorado a few years back I was told by >>him that Frankiln was going out of businees and altho he could sell me one of >>his last ones he had in stock he said "good luck on finding parts later". Like >>I said this guy might have been full of you know what. >> >> >> >> >>do not archive >> >> >>BenHaas >>N801BH >>www.haaspowerair.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 06:09:54 PM PST US >>From: LarryMcFarland >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland >> >> >>As far as I know, Zenith doesn't suggest a process or method for static >>testing wings or spars. >>Few builders would know what to do with static testing if they were >>furnished and required as in Finland >>the U.K. and other places. I'd not encourage anyone to suggest that >>FAA should consider it either! >> >>If built, loaded and flown within specifications, the engineering >>drawings and guidance by the designer >>should take care of that. Doesn't mean you can't think for yourself, >>but I'd only static test something >>I introduced that wasn't covered well enough by the design. >> >>Larry McFarland - 601HDS >>do not archive >> >>Bill+Rose wrote: >> >> >> >>>Larry- >>> Trying to Scotch any speculation. What does Zenith recommend for static >>>testing? >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Concerned as well but, >>>>I'd not recommend speculation on anything until facts are in. It's got >>>>to be something as simple as >>>>an incorrectly fastened or fabricated spar. The people investigating >>>>will be able to easily see >>>>what gave it up in the first place. Incorrect assembly will >>>>differentiate itself from outright failure as >>>>strongly as a fatigued part or incorrect material, bolts etc. The >>>>people that do these investigations are better at >>>>it than we are and are seeing a lot more of it these days. I'd predict >>>>it's not going to be as hard as it sounds, >>>>but will take a little more time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>From the perspective of one that's blissfully retired going on 3 years >>> >>> >>>>now. >>>> >>>>Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com >>>>do not archive >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 06:52:03 PM PST US >>From: Tim & Diane Shankland >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unstable Tach >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland >> >>Thanks for the suggestions, I all ready have tried resistors, either no >>effect or no tach, I'll check the coil although the engine only has >>about 6 hours on it and I haven't flown it yet. And I will check for >>inductive coupling and maybe swap the coils. >> >>Tim Shankland >> >>Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote: >> >> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >>> >>>Sometimes (quite often actually) the coils go bad (low resisatnce on the >>>primary side...It usually frys the $300 ignitor chip too so you need to >>>check this out before your next flight). >>> >>>I could how this might cause it...Check your primary coil resistance, >>>should be about 1.1 ohms I believe. >>> >>>Try swapping just the coils and see if the problem follows the coil. >>> >>>Frank >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >>>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim & Diane >>>Shankland >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:11 PM >>>To: Zenith List >>>Subject: Zenith-List: Unstable Tach >>> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland >>>--> >>> >>>I remember this being discussed in the past but I have not been able to >>>locate anything with the search engine. I have a Status Suburu and a VDO >>>tach. Above 3000 RPM's the tach become unstable, jumping 1000 RPM's or >>>more at a time. I have tried some filtering on the line with no success. >>> >>>When I switch the tach to the secondary ignition it is stable. I was >>>hoping someone had solved this before, so I have to cart my Tectronics >>>scope out to the shop and try to track this down. >>> >>>Tim Shankland >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 07:35:12 PM PST US >>From: Mike Sinclair >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair >> >>For what it's worth, and from what I understand from working in the commercial >>aviation & general aviation airplane building business for quite a few years, >>and from general bull sessions with many friends and co-workers in both sectors, >>plus numerous articles and films I've seen showing this kind of testing, a >>static test is a test of destruction. This testing is a process to find at what >>point the structure will fail. So I suspect that if you don't want to invest >>the money to buy (and build) a second airframe and set of wings that will be >>destroyed in the process of testing, any thought of doing a true static test is >>a mental excercise only. And therefore probably not very productive. Surely you >>don't want to try bending your wings to the point that they might possibly fail, >>and then put those same wings on your airplane. I also don't believe you are >>going to want a bunch of lard butts standing on your wing just to show how >>strong it is in negative g's, and then again, go put those same wings on an >>airplane you intend to fly. I sugest that if you have any concerns about the >>actual failing point of these structures, then you contact the designer about >>any testing he may have done along these lines. >> >>Mike Sinclair >> >>LarryMcFarland wrote: >> >> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland >>> >>>As far as I know, Zenith doesn't suggest a process or method for static >>>testing wings or spars. >>>Few builders would know what to do with static testing if they were >>>furnished and required as in Finland >>>the U.K. and other places. I'd not encourage anyone to suggest that >>>FAA should consider it either! >>> >>>If built, loaded and flown within specifications, the engineering >>>drawings and guidance by the designer >>>should take care of that. Doesn't mean you can't think for yourself, >>>but I'd only static test something >>>I introduced that wasn't covered well enough by the design. >>> >>>Larry McFarland - 601HDS >>> >>>Bill+Rose wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Larry- >>>> Trying to Scotch any speculation. What does Zenith recommend for static >>>>testing? >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 07:35:12 PM PST US >>From: "Randy L. Thwing" >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Franklin Engines? >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" >> >>I have two Franklin engines, a A-120 60 hp two cylinder and a A-235 125 hp >>four cylinder. The 60 is what I call a "Syracuse" (US made) Franklin and >>the 125 is a PZL (Polish) made Franklin. I have "heard" the following, I >>have no idea if it is really true or not: I would like to know the true >>story myself: >> >>PZL is the Polish aerospace Company that bought out Franklin after they went >>out of business in the US in the early 1970's. >>Pratt & Whitney recently purchased PZL itself or their engine divisions. >>Pratt & Whitney has no interest in continuing to produce piston engines, so >>the Franklin line may languish. >> >>That's the last I heard, and have no idea what if any is true. >> >>I am a Franklin fan and I hope they continue in production. >> >>Regards, >> >>Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>I could be wrong here but, When I tried to buy a newa 6 cyl 350 cu in 220 >>> >>> >>hpFranklin for my 801from the distributor in Colorado a few years back I was >>told by him that Frankiln was going out of businees and altho he could sell >>me one of his last ones he had in stock he said "good luck on finding parts >>later". Like I said this guy might have been full of you know what. >> >> >>>do not archive >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>BenHaas >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 08:36:49 PM PST US >>From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com >> >>>From a XL assembler and driver who takes his best friends up, his Wife and >>Son up and Grandson up, that flew 2.3 hours last Saturday and will probably >>exceed that this week end, yes the wings crumpling up on a XL and killing a couple >> >>fellows really concerns me and the fact that no one has much to offer as >>answers concerns me as well. This list should be for more than for beating which >> >>dammed scotch bright pad to use to death or how many fuel pumps between the >>tanks, in the wing root, behind the firewall and in front of the firewall equals >> >>a vapor lock ! Some of you guys are engineers and airplane designers. Frank >>has 10,000 hours on every plane there is and some of you all even more. Get in >> >>here and give us XL'ers your best shot. Screw waiting for some egg head from >>the NTSB. I want to fly this weekend. Who has some ideas that we who are >>actually flying XLs can employ to make our birds more safe this weekend ? Anybody >> >>care to speculate what failed and what we could be looking at while NTSB takes >> >>another coffee break and delivers their "guess" six months from now. Yes, I'm >> >>in a piss mood, 72 hours without tobacco and an airplane that the wings may >>fall off. Do Not Archive. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ >> >> >>Time: 08:36:49 PM PST US >>From: "Thilo Kind" >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" >> >> >> >>Hi Mike, >> >>static testing does not need to be destructive. In many countries static >>testing up to the design load is required by the authorities for >>experimentals. For that, the wing is turned up side down and mounted to a >>jig (or you might also turn the whole plane upside down). Next, the wing is >>then loaded with sandbags up to the designed wing loads. In a 601 HDs, that >>would be 6 g or 3 times gross weight per wing. >> >>Destructive testing is required, if you want to know the ultimate load. >>Airbus just did it with a wing from their new A 380. I don't know the load, >>but they bend the wing tip 7 m (21") before breaking it. >> >>Happy building / flying >> >>Thilo Kind >> >> >>>--- Ursprngliche Nachricht --- >>>Von: Mike Sinclair >>>An: zenith-list@matronics.com >>>Betreff: Re: Zenith-List: Tragic Accident - more stupid conjecture. >>>Datum: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:24:03 -0600 >>> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair >>> >>>For what it's worth, and from what I understand from working in the >>>commercial >>>aviation & general aviation airplane building business for quite a few >>>years, >>>and from general bull sessions with many friends and co-workers in both >>>sectors, >>>plus numerous articles and films I've seen showing this kind of testing, a >>>static test is a test of destruction. This testing is a process to find at >>>what >>>point the structure will fail. So I suspect that if you don't want to >>>invest >>>the money to buy (and build) a second airframe and set of wings that will >>>be >>>destroyed in the process of testing, any thought of doing a true static >>>test is >>>a mental excercise only. And therefore probably not very productive. >>>Surely you >>>don't want to try bending your wings to the point that they might possibly >>>fail, >>>and then put those same wings on your airplane. I also don't believe you >>>are >>>going to want a bunch of lard butts standing on your wing just to show how >>>strong it is in negative g's, and then again, go put those same wings on >>>an >>>airplane you intend to fly. I sugest that if you have any concerns about >>>the >>>actual failing point of these structures, then you contact the designer >>>about >>>any testing he may have done along these lines. >>> >>>Mike Sinclair >>> >>>LarryMcFarland wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>As far as I know, Zenith doesn't suggest a process or method for static >>>>testing wings or spars. >>>>Few builders would know what to do with static testing if they were >>>>furnished and required as in Finland >>>>the U.K. and other places. I'd not encourage anyone to suggest that >>>>FAA should consider it either! >>>> >>>>If built, loaded and flown within specifications, the engineering >>>>drawings and guidance by the designer >>>>should take care of that. Doesn't mean you can't think for yourself, >>>>but I'd only static test something >>>>I introduced that wasn't covered well enough by the design. >>>> >>>>Larry McFarland - 601HDS >>>> >>>>Bill+Rose wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Larry- >>>>> Trying to Scotch any speculation. What does Zenith recommend for >>>>> >>>>> >>>static >>> >>> >>>>>testing? >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:15 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Zenith-List: Compatability with Jabiru --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Has anyone had any luck at all in getting a EI MVP-50 or a JP930 glass instrument to work with a Jabiru engine? At this time I feel it is all but impossible to make either of these combinations to work properaly. Thanks for any comments, suggestions or advise. --------------------------------- Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:46 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Zenith-List: Plexiglas drill altering diagram & instructions --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" Hello Listers: I found and uploaded a scan of a diagram showing how to alter a standard twist drill for plexiglass drilling. There are also instructions for drilling AC plexi. This page is from LP Aero Plastics, the people who make AC windows, they should know. Use the link below. www.mindspring.com/~newstandardmfg/plexidrill.jpg Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:19 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Gyro Heading Indicator kaput... From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau So, I did my first 'officially winter' flight today. The airplane was looking rather abandoned during the last few months. Today was a nice warm day, and so I got it all warmed up and flew for 20 minutes. I still don't have a cabin heater so I was happy to find that at +3C in partial sunshine it was nice and warm under the big 'solar heater'. All was working well EXCEPT my DG adjustment knob will not engage whatever it's suppose to engage in order to set the heading. This is the non-TSO 'Chinese?' version (Wultrade?) from the ACS cataloug. I'll go pull it out tomorrow and see if I can fix it. Does anyone know what's involved and what's inside one of these? Does anyone know of any repair guides/photos that might be available on the internet? If I was building today, I'd sure consider leaving out all the air-driven gyro system stuff and going with an electronic solution. -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:47 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: fuel gauge sender --> Zenith-List message posted by: I have a bad fuel sender on a Zenith 701. Does anyone know where to order a replacement? Thanks Vern vwknott@cox.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:02 PM PST US From: "John Anderson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Degaus --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Anderson" Hi Tommy, Think I will at Sun & Fun on the 24th. My wife and I plan to bum around in the motorhome on the way down. Any other time give me a call and we will go flying. You will like the 0235 in the 601. 3850 cc really makes the 601 climb like a mountain goat. Local mechanic says that being the engine has new pistons, "0" time engine with cylinders chromed to standard, it probably is the 125 hp one. He said you have not been able to get the 115 hp versions for a long time. Would also like to see your project some time. Are you near the airport? CUL, John Do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:33 PM PST US From: Gdascomb@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel gauge sender --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gdascomb@aol.com E-gauges.com has them. George ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:27 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Degaus From: "Tommy Walker" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" John, I wish that I could go to SNF.... Went in 2004 and had a great time. Maybe we can hook up next time. My home airport is A25, McMinn Airport in Weaver. I live about 3 miles from the airport. Let me know if you can come up and I will pick you up and treat you to lunch and a tour of the SAM (Southern Aircraft Mfg) site.... :) Tommy ande437(at)bellsouth.net wrote: > Hi Tommy, > Think I will at Sun & Fun on the 24th. My wife and I plan to bum around in > the motorhome on the way down. Any other time give me a call and we will go > flying. You will like the 0235 in the 601. 3850 cc really makes the 601 > climb like a mountain goat. Local mechanic says that being the engine has > new pistons, "0" time engine with cylinders chromed to standard, it probably > is the 125 hp one. He said you have not been able to get the 115 hp versions > for a long time. > Would also like to see your project some time. Are you near the airport? > CUL, > John > > Do not archive -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21131#21131 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:14 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unstable UMA Tach --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Ron, my tac does the same thing. Under 900 rpm it bounces around. 700 to 900. Another thing mine does is after I kill the master the arm does not drop to zero. It hangs up at about 600. Then if I flip the master on and off again it will drop to zero. I am sure the revs are accurate though as I checked them several times with a meter. Bill ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:50 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Good advertisement. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower One thing that I like from this list and appreciate, is one time related information (or advertisement) of products about the list theme... Is good to know that the product and the provider exist. Then later we all can find them with the "search" of that problem in the archives.. Another thing very diferent is when is Spam, over an over anouncement of not wanted "advertisement" (to give it a name) to any list or member. Here we are very lucky to have several list members that can provide us with products, services and priceless advise related to our airplane construction, When we need them, we can get in touch with them though the list Archives (or just asking). I will not mention any of this good friends, so I dont left anyone out, Great List, great aviation brotherhood. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. Roger wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Roger BR, I have been on this list a long time and I appreciate the restrained "advertising", mostly from fellow builders on this list. Roger -----Original Message----- >From: Blueraven >Sent: Mar 10, 2006 1:41 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 36 Msgs - 03/09/06 > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Blueraven > >I'm new to the list but was wondering.. > >Why dont he advertizer's on this list set up a page where they can put >there info and links rather than trying to hawk there wares when the >people are trying to get answers to their questions. > >that wld save time for everyone.. > >BR >========== > --------------------------------- Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:23 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Alodine and Zinc Chromate From: "messydeer" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "messydeer" I'm just about ready to alodine and chromate. Have a few questions first. I think the Alodine requires a 3 minute dwell time. More makes a thicker coat, which I guess isn't helpful. I don't have big tanks or want to make any, so I'm thinking of a way to do the skins. Right now they'll be small, vstab, hstab, etc. So I was thinking of making a very shallow, like 1", tray so I could lay the one side of the skin in at a time. Leave it for 3 minutes then flop it over. Or I could soak a sponge or rag in Alodine and lay it on the metal. Move it every 3 minutes. Any suggestions? I am considering using spray cans of tempo zinc chromate for all interior surfaces after the alodine, but not sure if any thicker coat is needed for the mating surfaces. If so, would it be better to brush it on? What is the best thickness? Is there any issue of electrical conductivity? Thanks! -------- Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21159#21159