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1. 04:46 AM - Re: Unstable UMA Tach (ron dewees)
2. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Recessed elevator trim tab (Zodie Rocket)
3. 05:56 AM - Re: Unstable UMA Tach (Jim Hoak)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: fuel gauge sender (ROBERT SCEPPA)
5. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: Recessed elevator trim tab (Jim Hoak)
6. 07:26 AM - Re: fuel gauge sender (Larry)
7. 07:47 AM - Re: fuel gauge sender (Brandon Tucker)
8. 07:50 AM - Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate (Brandon Tucker)
9. 09:16 AM - (no subject) (Gpjann@aol.com)
10. 10:03 AM - Compatability with Jabiru (Paul Hartl)
11. 10:09 AM - How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? (AZFlyer)
12. 10:54 AM - Re: How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? (Jaybannist@cs.com)
13. 12:33 PM - Matronics swap site? (Aaron Gustafson)
14. 12:37 PM - THANKS ()
15. 01:00 PM - 601 Flap Question (lynn dingfelder)
16. 02:00 PM - Re: How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? (LarryMcFarland)
17. 03:36 PM - Re: Matronics swap site? RADIO FOR SALE (N5SL)
18. 03:42 PM - Re: 601 Flap Question (george may)
19. 04:23 PM - Gyro heading kaput (Grant Corriveau)
20. 04:29 PM - Re: 601 Flap Question (Jaybannist@cs.com)
21. 05:53 PM - Aveo Max E-1 (Matt & Jo)
22. 07:11 PM - Re: Aveo Max E-1 (Craig Payne)
23. 07:33 PM - Re: Aveo Max E-1 (Brandon Tucker)
24. 08:04 PM - Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate (JohnDRead@aol.com)
25. 09:21 PM - Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate (messydeer)
26. 10:10 PM - Re: fuel gauge sender (Brandon Tucker)
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| Subject: | Re: Unstable UMA Tach |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Bill,
I'm like you-- as long as it's accurate in the "bread and butter" zone,
I guess I can live with it. Sure good to see your beautiful plane at
the flyin. I posted our flyin story in the NavCom EAA 690 newsletter.
Looked good to see all the 601s.
Take care and I am sure we will see you somewhere soon. FWIW it's a
lot less hassle flying into WDR and eating at the Spitfire Grill if we
get a chance. I keep tiinking of flying to T/U airport soon, but doesn't
look like a lot to see or do unless you are Jim are there.
Blue skies!
Ron
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
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>Ron, my tac does the same thing. Under 900 rpm it bounces around. 700 to 900.
>Another thing mine does is after I kill the master the arm does not drop to
>zero. It hangs up at about 600. Then if I flip the master on and off again it
>will drop to zero. I am sure the revs are accurate though as I checked them
>several times with a meter. Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Recessed elevator trim tab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Reminder, For all of you attending Sun-N-Fun Please come out to the 2nd
Annual Webmasters BBQ for owners and Builders of Zenith Aircraft. This
years event is being held on Thursday April 6th once again in the
campgrounds. Last years event saw a total of 125 people, hopefully this
year we will have as good or better showing. There is no sign up sheet
this year or name tags but to get an Idea I would like everyone planning
to attend to send me an E-Mail. At moderator@ch601.org or
moderator@ch701.com or hit reply and add a "do not archive" This way I
can purchase dogs and burgers accordingly Presently I have 40 people
signed up, but we about 2/3rds short from last years event. There is no
cost as it is coming out of my pocket and from Donations. Last year we
had donations of food and somebody brought a great flat of Strawberries,
I'm glad to report that Jabiru USA has once again generously donated to
our event. Rick Roberts has once again signed up his guys to handle the
Grills. The BBQ starts at 5 pm just after the show and runs till 8pm
when the trolleys stop running. The location will be posted in the
Zenith booth or just ask any member of the Zenith team. Builders, Owners
or dreaming of a Zenith are all welcome.
Remember this is your time to spend with others doing the same thing you
are, also The whole Zenith Crew will be present just for you. There are
no speeches just a great time sharing stories!!! Please send us an
E-Mail we really don't want to run out of food or have to run out
Thursday afternoon for more supplies just before the event. I look
forward to meeting everyone.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | Re: Unstable UMA Tach |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Ron,
I'll be there all day today (Sun 3-12). Continuing work on airplane. Maybe
some flying too. I'm at hangar 18 at OPN.
Jim Hoak
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ron dewees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unstable UMA Tach
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
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> Hi Bill,
> I'm like you-- as long as it's accurate in the "bread and butter" zone,
> I guess I can live with it. Sure good to see your beautiful plane at
> the flyin. I posted our flyin story in the NavCom EAA 690 newsletter.
> Looked good to see all the 601s.
> Take care and I am sure we will see you somewhere soon. FWIW it's a
> lot less hassle flying into WDR and eating at the Spitfire Grill if we
> get a chance. I keep tiinking of flying to T/U airport soon, but doesn't
> look like a lot to see or do unless you are Jim are there.
> Blue skies!
> Ron
>
> JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
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>>Ron, my tac does the same thing. Under 900 rpm it bounces around. 700 to
>>900.
>>Another thing mine does is after I kill the master the arm does not drop
>>to
>>zero. It hangs up at about 600. Then if I flip the master on and off again
>>it
>>will drop to zero. I am sure the revs are accurate though as I checked
>>them
>>several times with a meter. Bill
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| Subject: | Re: fuel gauge sender |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> I am using a sender from JC Whitney in my 701. I
> know another guy in our chapter using one in his
> Variviggen and he said it works very well. Our
> Glastar project has ordered the JC ones too. Bob S.
--- vwknott@cox.net wrote:
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> I have a bad fuel sender on a Zenith 701. Does
> anyone know
> where to order a replacement?
>
> Thanks Vern
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| Subject: | Re: Recessed elevator trim tab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Hey Listers,
You can also come by the Basic Sheet metal Workshop for directions to where
in the campground. It will be in the area of my camper.
Jim Hoak 601HD
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:45 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Recessed elevator trim tab
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
> Reminder, For all of you attending Sun-N-Fun Please come out to the 2nd
> Annual Webmasters BBQ for owners and Builders of Zenith Aircraft. This
> years event is being held on Thursday April 6th once again in the
> campgrounds. Last years event saw a total of 125 people, hopefully this
> year we will have as good or better showing. There is no sign up sheet
> this year or name tags but to get an Idea I would like everyone planning
> to attend to send me an E-Mail. At moderator@ch601.org or
> moderator@ch701.com or hit reply and add a "do not archive" This way I
> can purchase dogs and burgers accordingly Presently I have 40 people
> signed up, but we about 2/3rds short from last years event. There is no
> cost as it is coming out of my pocket and from Donations. Last year we
> had donations of food and somebody brought a great flat of Strawberries,
> I'm glad to report that Jabiru USA has once again generously donated to
> our event. Rick Roberts has once again signed up his guys to handle the
> Grills. The BBQ starts at 5 pm just after the show and runs till 8pm
> when the trolleys stop running. The location will be posted in the
> Zenith booth or just ask any member of the Zenith team. Builders, Owners
> or dreaming of a Zenith are all welcome.
>
> Remember this is your time to spend with others doing the same thing you
> are, also The whole Zenith Crew will be present just for you. There are
> no speeches just a great time sharing stories!!! Please send us an
> E-Mail we really don't want to run out of food or have to run out
> Thursday afternoon for more supplies just before the event. I look
> forward to meeting everyone.
>
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>
>
> --
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| Subject: | Re: fuel gauge sender |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
I have two of them I bought from gauges .com. They wouldn't work with my
Mitchell gauges. They are actually for a VW. E-mail me off list and I will
let you have them for 75 cents on the dollar. Larry, N1345L,
www.skyhawg.com.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: <vwknott@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 7:25 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: fuel gauge sender
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <vwknott@cox.net>
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>
> I have a bad fuel sender on a Zenith 701. Does anyone know
> where to order a replacement?
>
> Thanks Vern
>
> vwknott@cox.net
>
>
> --
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| Subject: | Re: fuel gauge sender |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=vdo+sender&x=0&y=0&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=115&target=egnsearch.asp
R/
Brandon
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| Subject: | RE: Alodine and Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
I used a spray bottle, and sprayed the parts evenly.
Trying to dip parts proved much too difficult due to
not only size, but shape. In the Navy, we used
cheesecloth (thread count of about 15) to keep odd
shaped surfaces wet with alodine.
R/
Brandon
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gpjann@aol.com
While the Zodiac 601 family has been around for quite some time, The XL
model is only several years old and actual flying numbers is low.
GPJ
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| Subject: | Compatability with Jabiru |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
Hi Jim,
I have two EI instruments in my panel that work well, their digital
tach (RPM "R-1"), and their "smart engine analyzer" (SR-8A). Both are
now a bit older technology, and I had a lot of trouble getting EI to
supply me with the correct CHT spark plug lead for the Jabiru, but now
that they're up and running, I'm very happy with them. Both instruments
are small and very lightweight, and deliver accurate and dependable
information in a easily readable format. Not cheap, though. EI has
since come out with much more elaborate glass panel-type whole-engine
analyzers, but if I were to do it over now, I'd have a very close look
at the new Dynon unit first, which I think is considerably cheaper. I
also have the Dynon EFIS-D10 (original model), and absolutely love it.
Paul
Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 40 hrs, 51 landings
Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl
Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147
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| Subject: | How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "AZFlyer" <millrML@AOL.com>
Builders,
Seems to me that using 6061-T6 would not require Zinc-Chromate, or ? with it's
built in corrosion resistance. Any opinions...? I live in the desert, not near
salt-water... maybe visit the ocean occasionally, but plane won't sit there...
and no floats planned...
Mike
--------
Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com
601 XL, 3300
Remember: the second mouse gets the cheese!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21260#21260
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| Subject: | Re: How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com
Mike, I am using SEM Self Etching Primer, purchased at an automotive paint
store, in a rattle can. I only use it on mating surfaces - little masking -
just spray it on. According to ZAC, priming everything is not really necessary
and only adds weight. Total priming really looks cool, though, and I suspect
that is the real reason folks use it. Remember, if you are adding things to an
airplane, the most important thing to add is lightness.
Jay
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| Subject: | Matronics swap site? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron Gustafson" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
This question may be more for Matt than others but your input still might be
helpful.
Is there or has there ever been any thought of a "swap & sell / For sale"
type list on the Matronics system? I have wished for it more than once for
both selling and buying. I know someone out there has something I want to
buy and vice versa.
Aaron
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <vwknott@cox.net>
THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE RESPONSE TO FUEL SENDER QUESTION.
WE NOW HAVE THE PROMBLEM SOLVED
VERN
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | 601 Flap Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
Guys (& girls?),
As simple question that probably won't result in extensive
debate. On the inboard end of the flaps, the nylon control plate 6W1-3-1,
attached to the first rib, is shown in drawing 6-W-1 as slotted horizontally
in the center and attached with the long side parallel to the top side of
the flap. All photos in the construction guide show it mounted vertically with
a center hole without a slot. The drawings make more sense to me from an operational
standpoint. Which is correct?
Lynn
Corry, PA
empennage done, starting on wings
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| Subject: | Re: How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
AZFlyer wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "AZFlyer" <millrML@AOL.com>
>
>Builders,
>
>Seems to me that using 6061-T6 would not require Zinc-Chromate, or ? with it's
built in corrosion resistance. Any opinions...? I live in the desert, not near
salt-water... maybe visit the ocean occasionally, but plane won't sit there...
and no floats planned...
>
>Mike
>
>--------
>Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com
>601 XL, 3300
>
>
>
Mike,
It's still a good idea to put a light coat of Zinc-Chromate between
surfaces that are riveted together
and on bottom surfaces that might collect moisture.
The air, moisture or rain that would collect in these areas might just
be contaminated enough to cause
you some corrosion. It doesn't require much effort and so long as you
use a 3M-6001 respirator or
equal, you'll do no harm to yourself or anyone else. The person you
sell your plane to might just live where
corrosion is a factor in his environment.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Matronics swap site? RADIO FOR SALE |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
OK, I'll Start it. I have a Radio - Narco Avionics,
Com 120 VHF Transeiver for sale. I purchased it from
a radio shop in Dallas out of trade-a-plane and still
have the receipt. I never wired it up but installed
it in my panel here:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/10_3_05_Panel.jpg
It comes with a rack and wires. I'll make someone a
smokin' deal on it as I would like to see it get used.
The first $250 gets it. I paid a lot more.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.ocm
--- Aaron Gustafson <agustafson@chartermi.net> wrote:
> Is there or has there ever been any thought of a
> "swap & sell / For sale"
> type list on the Matronics system? I have wished
> for it more than once for
> both selling and buying.
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| Subject: | 601 Flap Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Lynn--
The original design was for a hole to be drilled in the plastic, however,
a number
of builders have had some difficulty aligning the hole with the flap pin.
The fix for
the potential misalignment was to elongate the hole into a slot. Either one
is fine
to use depending on your final assembly and alignment
George May
601XL 912s
>From: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Flap Question
>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:01:07 -0500
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
>
>Guys (& girls?),
> As simple question that probably won't result
>in extensive debate. On the inboard end of the flaps, the nylon control
>plate 6W1-3-1, attached to the first rib, is shown in drawing 6-W-1 as
>slotted horizontally in the center and attached with the long side parallel
>to the top side of the flap. All photos in the construction guide show it
>mounted vertically with a center hole without a slot. The drawings make
>more sense to me from an operational standpoint. Which is correct?
>
> Lynn
>
> Corry, PA
>
> empennage done, starting on wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Gyro heading kaput |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> 6. 04:29 PM - Gyro Heading Indicator kaput... (Grant Corriveau)
Solved the problem. I was able to disassemble the casing and found that
there is a spring-loaded cog that engages another cog to turn the compass
card. This allows engaging the two cogs without stripping any gears. The
spring needed some lubrication so it would apply the correct pressure.
All my snags should be so easy to fix.
fyi
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Flap Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com
I must be about as far along as you. I noticed the same discrepancy. I have
read in ZAC info. to always follow the plans in case of discrepancies, so I
went with the horizontal alignment as on the drawings. I drilled a #40 hole in
the center of the nylon pad and at the proper location on the rib. I clecoed
them together and drilled and riveted the pad to the rib. I countersunk the
rivets and set them flush. Then I drilled two .25" holes, at the extremities
of the slot and opened the slot with a Dremel.
Jay
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
Does anyone have any experience with Aveo Insteruments. I planning on using
a Jab on my 601. These instruments seem reasonably priced. But they don't
list the Jab as one of the motors for the E-1 Engine Monitor.
Here is their web site
http://aveousa.com/avionics/instruments/aveoMax/index.php
Appreciate your comments
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
These instruments are private-banded products actually built by MGL
Avionics: www.mglavionics.co.za/ (in South Africa of all places).
At least one direct distributor of the MGL product is Sport Flying Shop:
www.sportflyingshop.com/
I purchased my Stratomaster from Sport Flying Shop and received good
service. I'm planning to upgrade to the latest Stratomaster because it has
dual fuel level inputs (good for a dual-tank plane like the XL).
I don't know of anything on the MGL instruments that wouldn't work with a
Jabiru. Everything is highly configurable. The Jabiru site does show that
you have to do a little work on the heads' cooling fins to get *anybodies*
thermocouple under a spark plug.
If you have any questions e-mail MGL. Generally you receive a quick response
from Rainer (who I think is the head of the company).
Based on this blurb about the E1 I suspect it will work with almost any
engine:
"The E1 universal engine monitor combines in one compact 3.5" format
instrument all that is
needed to monitor most smaller aircraft engines from two-stroke ultralight
engines to medium
sized four strokes such as from Rotax, Continental and Lycoming.
Also most automotive engine conversions can benefit from the use of the E1
engine monitor."
If you don't already have it you can download the manual from MGL's site.
I'm am trying to find out if either MGL or Sport Flying Shop will be at
Sun-N-Fun.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt & Jo
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Aveo Max E-1
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
Does anyone have any experience with Aveo Insteruments. I planning on using
a Jab on my 601. These instruments seem reasonably priced. But they don't
list the Jab as one of the motors for the E-1 Engine Monitor.
Here is their web site
http://aveousa.com/avionics/instruments/aveoMax/index.php
Appreciate your comments
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
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| Subject: | RE: Aveo Max E-1 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Matt,
Aveo is just a fancy website, with webmasters
that don't answer e-mail. They are all actually
Stratomaster instruments. Go to:
http://sportflyingshop.com
These instruments are imported from S. Africa.
Matt, the rep at sportflyingshop is from S. Africa,
and went back a couple of months ago for training. He
is a good guy, and I would buy these instruments from
nobody else. He answers e-mails on the same day, and
actually answers the phone. Besides, the last time I
checked, he was cheaper than Aveo.
R/
Brandon
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| Subject: | Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JohnDRead@aol.com
Hi Dan:
You might want to consider one of the latest coatings that can
be brushed or sprayed onto surfaces, the Zenith web site mentions a couple of
products. Chromate chemicals are not very friendly to the environment either.
Regards, John (starting a 701)
phone: 303-648-3261
fax:303-648-3262
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| Subject: | Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "messydeer" <messydeer@yahoo.com>
Thanks, guys :-)
I'm pretty much sold on zinc chromate. I am aware of and prepared for its hazards.
It comes in $5 spray cans and has been proven over time. Cortec is too expensive
and too hard for me to apply as a spray. I don't have any spray equipment,
unless my mustache grows too long.
And thanks for the cheese cloth idea!
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Dan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21398#21398
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| Subject: | Re: fuel gauge sender |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=vdo+sender&x=0&y=0&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=115&target=egnsearch.asp
R/
Brandon
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