---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/12/06: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:46 AM - Re: Unstable UMA Tach (ron dewees) 2. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Recessed elevator trim tab (Zodie Rocket) 3. 05:56 AM - Re: Unstable UMA Tach (Jim Hoak) 4. 05:56 AM - Re: fuel gauge sender (ROBERT SCEPPA) 5. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: Recessed elevator trim tab (Jim Hoak) 6. 07:26 AM - Re: fuel gauge sender (Larry) 7. 07:47 AM - Re: fuel gauge sender (Brandon Tucker) 8. 07:50 AM - Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate (Brandon Tucker) 9. 09:16 AM - (no subject) (Gpjann@aol.com) 10. 10:03 AM - Compatability with Jabiru (Paul Hartl) 11. 10:09 AM - How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? (AZFlyer) 12. 10:54 AM - Re: How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? (Jaybannist@cs.com) 13. 12:33 PM - Matronics swap site? (Aaron Gustafson) 14. 12:37 PM - THANKS () 15. 01:00 PM - 601 Flap Question (lynn dingfelder) 16. 02:00 PM - Re: How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? (LarryMcFarland) 17. 03:36 PM - Re: Matronics swap site? RADIO FOR SALE (N5SL) 18. 03:42 PM - Re: 601 Flap Question (george may) 19. 04:23 PM - Gyro heading kaput (Grant Corriveau) 20. 04:29 PM - Re: 601 Flap Question (Jaybannist@cs.com) 21. 05:53 PM - Aveo Max E-1 (Matt & Jo) 22. 07:11 PM - Re: Aveo Max E-1 (Craig Payne) 23. 07:33 PM - Re: Aveo Max E-1 (Brandon Tucker) 24. 08:04 PM - Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate (JohnDRead@aol.com) 25. 09:21 PM - Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate (messydeer) 26. 10:10 PM - Re: fuel gauge sender (Brandon Tucker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:15 AM PST US From: ron dewees Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unstable UMA Tach --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees Hi Bill, I'm like you-- as long as it's accurate in the "bread and butter" zone, I guess I can live with it. Sure good to see your beautiful plane at the flyin. I posted our flyin story in the NavCom EAA 690 newsletter. Looked good to see all the 601s. Take care and I am sure we will see you somewhere soon. FWIW it's a lot less hassle flying into WDR and eating at the Spitfire Grill if we get a chance. I keep tiinking of flying to T/U airport soon, but doesn't look like a lot to see or do unless you are Jim are there. Blue skies! Ron JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > >Ron, my tac does the same thing. Under 900 rpm it bounces around. 700 to 900. >Another thing mine does is after I kill the master the arm does not drop to >zero. It hangs up at about 600. Then if I flip the master on and off again it >will drop to zero. I am sure the revs are accurate though as I checked them >several times with a meter. Bill > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:15 AM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Recessed elevator trim tab --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" Reminder, For all of you attending Sun-N-Fun Please come out to the 2nd Annual Webmasters BBQ for owners and Builders of Zenith Aircraft. This years event is being held on Thursday April 6th once again in the campgrounds. Last years event saw a total of 125 people, hopefully this year we will have as good or better showing. There is no sign up sheet this year or name tags but to get an Idea I would like everyone planning to attend to send me an E-Mail. At moderator@ch601.org or moderator@ch701.com or hit reply and add a "do not archive" This way I can purchase dogs and burgers accordingly Presently I have 40 people signed up, but we about 2/3rds short from last years event. There is no cost as it is coming out of my pocket and from Donations. Last year we had donations of food and somebody brought a great flat of Strawberries, I'm glad to report that Jabiru USA has once again generously donated to our event. Rick Roberts has once again signed up his guys to handle the Grills. The BBQ starts at 5 pm just after the show and runs till 8pm when the trolleys stop running. The location will be posted in the Zenith booth or just ask any member of the Zenith team. Builders, Owners or dreaming of a Zenith are all welcome. Remember this is your time to spend with others doing the same thing you are, also The whole Zenith Crew will be present just for you. There are no speeches just a great time sharing stories!!! Please send us an E-Mail we really don't want to run out of food or have to run out Thursday afternoon for more supplies just before the event. I look forward to meeting everyone. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com -- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:10 AM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unstable UMA Tach --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" Ron, I'll be there all day today (Sun 3-12). Continuing work on airplane. Maybe some flying too. I'm at hangar 18 at OPN. Jim Hoak do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron dewees" Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unstable UMA Tach > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees > > Hi Bill, > I'm like you-- as long as it's accurate in the "bread and butter" zone, > I guess I can live with it. Sure good to see your beautiful plane at > the flyin. I posted our flyin story in the NavCom EAA 690 newsletter. > Looked good to see all the 601s. > Take care and I am sure we will see you somewhere soon. FWIW it's a > lot less hassle flying into WDR and eating at the Spitfire Grill if we > get a chance. I keep tiinking of flying to T/U airport soon, but doesn't > look like a lot to see or do unless you are Jim are there. > Blue skies! > Ron > > JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com >> >>Ron, my tac does the same thing. Under 900 rpm it bounces around. 700 to >>900. >>Another thing mine does is after I kill the master the arm does not drop >>to >>zero. It hangs up at about 600. Then if I flip the master on and off again >>it >>will drop to zero. I am sure the revs are accurate though as I checked >>them >>several times with a meter. Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:10 AM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel gauge sender --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > I am using a sender from JC Whitney in my 701. I > know another guy in our chapter using one in his > Variviggen and he said it works very well. Our > Glastar project has ordered the JC ones too. Bob S. --- vwknott@cox.net wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > > > I have a bad fuel sender on a Zenith 701. Does > anyone know > where to order a replacement? > > Thanks Vern > > vwknott@cox.net > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:37 AM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recessed elevator trim tab --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" Hey Listers, You can also come by the Basic Sheet metal Workshop for directions to where in the campground. It will be in the area of my camper. Jim Hoak 601HD Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zodie Rocket" Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:45 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Recessed elevator trim tab > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" > > Reminder, For all of you attending Sun-N-Fun Please come out to the 2nd > Annual Webmasters BBQ for owners and Builders of Zenith Aircraft. This > years event is being held on Thursday April 6th once again in the > campgrounds. Last years event saw a total of 125 people, hopefully this > year we will have as good or better showing. There is no sign up sheet > this year or name tags but to get an Idea I would like everyone planning > to attend to send me an E-Mail. At moderator@ch601.org or > moderator@ch701.com or hit reply and add a "do not archive" This way I > can purchase dogs and burgers accordingly Presently I have 40 people > signed up, but we about 2/3rds short from last years event. There is no > cost as it is coming out of my pocket and from Donations. Last year we > had donations of food and somebody brought a great flat of Strawberries, > I'm glad to report that Jabiru USA has once again generously donated to > our event. Rick Roberts has once again signed up his guys to handle the > Grills. The BBQ starts at 5 pm just after the show and runs till 8pm > when the trolleys stop running. The location will be posted in the > Zenith booth or just ask any member of the Zenith team. Builders, Owners > or dreaming of a Zenith are all welcome. > > Remember this is your time to spend with others doing the same thing you > are, also The whole Zenith Crew will be present just for you. There are > no speeches just a great time sharing stories!!! Please send us an > E-Mail we really don't want to run out of food or have to run out > Thursday afternoon for more supplies just before the event. I look > forward to meeting everyone. > > > Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario > Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started > www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com > > > -- > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:26 AM PST US From: "Larry" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel gauge sender --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" I have two of them I bought from gauges .com. They wouldn't work with my Mitchell gauges. They are actually for a VW. E-mail me off list and I will let you have them for 75 cents on the dollar. Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com. Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: Zenith-List: fuel gauge sender > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > > I have a bad fuel sender on a Zenith 701. Does anyone know > where to order a replacement? > > Thanks Vern > > vwknott@cox.net > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:20 AM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Re: fuel gauge sender --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=vdo+sender&x=0&y=0&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=115&target=egnsearch.asp R/ Brandon do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:07 AM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Alodine and Zinc Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker I used a spray bottle, and sprayed the parts evenly. Trying to dip parts proved much too difficult due to not only size, but shape. In the Navy, we used cheesecloth (thread count of about 15) to keep odd shaped surfaces wet with alodine. R/ Brandon ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:48 AM PST US From: Gpjann@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: (no subject) --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gpjann@aol.com While the Zodiac 601 family has been around for quite some time, The XL model is only several years old and actual flying numbers is low. GPJ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:16 AM PST US From: "Paul Hartl" Subject: Zenith-List: Compatability with Jabiru --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" Hi Jim, I have two EI instruments in my panel that work well, their digital tach (RPM "R-1"), and their "smart engine analyzer" (SR-8A). Both are now a bit older technology, and I had a lot of trouble getting EI to supply me with the correct CHT spark plug lead for the Jabiru, but now that they're up and running, I'm very happy with them. Both instruments are small and very lightweight, and deliver accurate and dependable information in a easily readable format. Not cheap, though. EI has since come out with much more elaborate glass panel-type whole-engine analyzers, but if I were to do it over now, I'd have a very close look at the new Dynon unit first, which I think is considerably cheaper. I also have the Dynon EFIS-D10 (original model), and absolutely love it. Paul Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 40 hrs, 51 landings Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:39 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? From: "AZFlyer" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "AZFlyer" Builders, Seems to me that using 6061-T6 would not require Zinc-Chromate, or ? with it's built in corrosion resistance. Any opinions...? I live in the desert, not near salt-water... maybe visit the ocean occasionally, but plane won't sit there... and no floats planned... Mike -------- Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com 601 XL, 3300 Remember: the second mouse gets the cheese! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21260#21260 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:49 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com Mike, I am using SEM Self Etching Primer, purchased at an automotive paint store, in a rattle can. I only use it on mating surfaces - little masking - just spray it on. According to ZAC, priming everything is not really necessary and only adds weight. Total priming really looks cool, though, and I suspect that is the real reason folks use it. Remember, if you are adding things to an airplane, the most important thing to add is lightness. Jay ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:28 PM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Zenith-List: Matronics swap site? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron Gustafson" This question may be more for Matt than others but your input still might be helpful. Is there or has there ever been any thought of a "swap & sell / For sale" type list on the Matronics system? I have wished for it more than once for both selling and buying. I know someone out there has something I want to buy and vice versa. Aaron do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:43 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: THANKS --> Zenith-List message posted by: THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE RESPONSE TO FUEL SENDER QUESTION. WE NOW HAVE THE PROMBLEM SOLVED VERN DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:05 PM PST US From: "lynn dingfelder" Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Flap Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" Guys (& girls?), As simple question that probably won't result in extensive debate. On the inboard end of the flaps, the nylon control plate 6W1-3-1, attached to the first rib, is shown in drawing 6-W-1 as slotted horizontally in the center and attached with the long side parallel to the top side of the flap. All photos in the construction guide show it mounted vertically with a center hole without a slot. The drawings make more sense to me from an operational standpoint. Which is correct? Lynn Corry, PA empennage done, starting on wings ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:31 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland AZFlyer wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "AZFlyer" > >Builders, > >Seems to me that using 6061-T6 would not require Zinc-Chromate, or ? with it's built in corrosion resistance. Any opinions...? I live in the desert, not near salt-water... maybe visit the ocean occasionally, but plane won't sit there... and no floats planned... > >Mike > >-------- >Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com >601 XL, 3300 > > > Mike, It's still a good idea to put a light coat of Zinc-Chromate between surfaces that are riveted together and on bottom surfaces that might collect moisture. The air, moisture or rain that would collect in these areas might just be contaminated enough to cause you some corrosion. It doesn't require much effort and so long as you use a 3M-6001 respirator or equal, you'll do no harm to yourself or anyone else. The person you sell your plane to might just live where corrosion is a factor in his environment. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:42 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Matronics swap site? RADIO FOR SALE --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL OK, I'll Start it. I have a Radio - Narco Avionics, Com 120 VHF Transeiver for sale. I purchased it from a radio shop in Dallas out of trade-a-plane and still have the receipt. I never wired it up but installed it in my panel here: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/10_3_05_Panel.jpg It comes with a rack and wires. I'll make someone a smokin' deal on it as I would like to see it get used. The first $250 gets it. I paid a lot more. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.ocm --- Aaron Gustafson wrote: > Is there or has there ever been any thought of a > "swap & sell / For sale" > type list on the Matronics system? I have wished > for it more than once for > both selling and buying. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:51 PM PST US From: "george may" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 Flap Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" Lynn-- The original design was for a hole to be drilled in the plastic, however, a number of builders have had some difficulty aligning the hole with the flap pin. The fix for the potential misalignment was to elongate the hole into a slot. Either one is fine to use depending on your final assembly and alignment George May 601XL 912s >From: "lynn dingfelder" >To: >Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Flap Question >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:01:07 -0500 > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" > >Guys (& girls?), > As simple question that probably won't result >in extensive debate. On the inboard end of the flaps, the nylon control >plate 6W1-3-1, attached to the first rib, is shown in drawing 6-W-1 as >slotted horizontally in the center and attached with the long side parallel >to the top side of the flap. All photos in the construction guide show it >mounted vertically with a center hole without a slot. The drawings make >more sense to me from an operational standpoint. Which is correct? > > Lynn > > Corry, PA > > empennage done, starting on wings > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:53 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Gyro heading kaput From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > 6. 04:29 PM - Gyro Heading Indicator kaput... (Grant Corriveau) Solved the problem. I was able to disassemble the casing and found that there is a spring-loaded cog that engages another cog to turn the compass card. This allows engaging the two cogs without stripping any gears. The spring needed some lubrication so it would apply the correct pressure. All my snags should be so easy to fix. fyi -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:44 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Flap Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com I must be about as far along as you. I noticed the same discrepancy. I have read in ZAC info. to always follow the plans in case of discrepancies, so I went with the horizontal alignment as on the drawings. I drilled a #40 hole in the center of the nylon pad and at the proper location on the rib. I clecoed them together and drilled and riveted the pad to the rib. I countersunk the rivets and set them flush. Then I drilled two .25" holes, at the extremities of the slot and opened the slot with a Dremel. Jay ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:52 PM PST US From: "Matt & Jo" Subject: Zenith-List: Aveo Max E-1 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" Does anyone have any experience with Aveo Insteruments. I planning on using a Jab on my 601. These instruments seem reasonably priced. But they don't list the Jab as one of the motors for the E-1 Engine Monitor. Here is their web site http://aveousa.com/avionics/instruments/aveoMax/index.php Appreciate your comments Matt www.zodiacxl.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:39 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aveo Max E-1 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" These instruments are private-banded products actually built by MGL Avionics: www.mglavionics.co.za/ (in South Africa of all places). At least one direct distributor of the MGL product is Sport Flying Shop: www.sportflyingshop.com/ I purchased my Stratomaster from Sport Flying Shop and received good service. I'm planning to upgrade to the latest Stratomaster because it has dual fuel level inputs (good for a dual-tank plane like the XL). I don't know of anything on the MGL instruments that wouldn't work with a Jabiru. Everything is highly configurable. The Jabiru site does show that you have to do a little work on the heads' cooling fins to get *anybodies* thermocouple under a spark plug. If you have any questions e-mail MGL. Generally you receive a quick response from Rainer (who I think is the head of the company). Based on this blurb about the E1 I suspect it will work with almost any engine: "The E1 universal engine monitor combines in one compact 3.5" format instrument all that is needed to monitor most smaller aircraft engines from two-stroke ultralight engines to medium sized four strokes such as from Rotax, Continental and Lycoming. Also most automotive engine conversions can benefit from the use of the E1 engine monitor." If you don't already have it you can download the manual from MGL's site. I'm am trying to find out if either MGL or Sport Flying Shop will be at Sun-N-Fun. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt & Jo Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Aveo Max E-1 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" Does anyone have any experience with Aveo Insteruments. I planning on using a Jab on my 601. These instruments seem reasonably priced. But they don't list the Jab as one of the motors for the E-1 Engine Monitor. Here is their web site http://aveousa.com/avionics/instruments/aveoMax/index.php Appreciate your comments Matt www.zodiacxl.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:29 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Aveo Max E-1 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker Matt, Aveo is just a fancy website, with webmasters that don't answer e-mail. They are all actually Stratomaster instruments. Go to: http://sportflyingshop.com These instruments are imported from S. Africa. Matt, the rep at sportflyingshop is from S. Africa, and went back a couple of months ago for training. He is a good guy, and I would buy these instruments from nobody else. He answers e-mails on the same day, and actually answers the phone. Besides, the last time I checked, he was cheaper than Aveo. R/ Brandon ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:50 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Alodine and Zinc Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: JohnDRead@aol.com Hi Dan: You might want to consider one of the latest coatings that can be brushed or sprayed onto surfaces, the Zenith web site mentions a couple of products. Chromate chemicals are not very friendly to the environment either. Regards, John (starting a 701) phone: 303-648-3261 fax:303-648-3262 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:39 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate From: "messydeer" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "messydeer" Thanks, guys :-) I'm pretty much sold on zinc chromate. I am aware of and prepared for its hazards. It comes in $5 spray cans and has been proven over time. Cortec is too expensive and too hard for me to apply as a spray. I don't have any spray equipment, unless my mustache grows too long. And thanks for the cheese cloth idea! -------- Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21398#21398 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:37 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Re: fuel gauge sender --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=vdo+sender&x=0&y=0&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=115&target=egnsearch.asp R/ Brandon