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1. 02:49 AM - Re: Sport pilot (Jim Pellien)
2. 03:49 AM - Re: Sport pilot (TH-SR)
3. 05:03 AM - Re: Sport pilot (Bob Unternaehrer)
4. 05:23 AM - Re: Sport pilot (Bob Unternaehrer)
5. 05:40 AM - Re: Unstable Tach (ron dewees)
6. 07:45 AM - Re: New DVD: Scratch Building Basics for Metal Aircraft (Chris Lewis)
7. 08:31 AM - Re: Unstable Tach (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
8. 08:56 AM - Re: Unstable Tach (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 01:26 PM - Re: CAS was Sport pilot (Bryan Martin)
10. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: New DVD: Scratch Building Basics for Metal Aircraft (Bill+Rose)
11. 04:34 PM - Re: Sport pilot (B Johnson)
12. 05:12 PM - Cable ties to anchor wires to ribs? (Don Mountain)
13. 05:15 PM - Re: Unstable Tach (Tim & Diane Shankland)
14. 05:44 PM - Re: Unstable Tach (Tim & Diane Shankland)
15. 05:44 PM - Re: Unstable Tach (Tim & Diane Shankland)
16. 07:05 PM - Re: Cable ties (Use PVC instead) (N5SL)
17. 08:17 PM - Re: Cable ties (Use PVC instead) (Steve Hulland)
18. 08:24 PM - Why No Mixture Control on the Rotax 912ULS2? (David Plozay)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Dave,
Where does the FAA say that? I know the EAA website has such a listing,
but wasn't aware that the FAA has a list of eligible LSA aircraft?
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:16 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sport pilot
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Frank et al
Why buck the FAA! The FAA says a 601 qualifies as eligible to fly with a
light sport license. Everyone else just gives their spin on the rules. The
FAA does not say HD, HDS, XL it just says Zenith 601 period!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:23 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Sport pilot
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
OK hopefully I can get this straight in my head once and for all. I
have a 601HDS that I am conviced stalls at below 51mph.
Can I sell it to a sport pilot or not, even though the model description
is HDS??
What proof do I need to provide that it does stall below 51mph...Stall
is listed in the logbook as 50mph.
Thanks
Frank
601HDS for sale
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TH-SR" <701stol@gmail.com>
FAA LSA Listing:
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/rec/
Todd Henning
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22299#22299
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
I doubt it if the older HD and HDS can qualify, because one of the "reason
for the season" when the XL came about was to qualify for SPORT PLANE.
Added flaps and airfoil change made it qualify. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sport pilot
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Frank et al
> Why buck the FAA! The FAA says a 601 qualifies as eligible to fly with a
> light sport license. Everyone else just gives their spin on the rules.
The
> FAA does not say HD, HDS, XL it just says Zenith 601 period!
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
> George (Corvallis)
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:23 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Sport pilot
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> OK hopefully I can get this straight in my head once and for all. I
> have a 601HDS that I am conviced stalls at below 51mph.
>
> Can I sell it to a sport pilot or not, even though the model description
> is HDS??
>
> What proof do I need to provide that it does stall below 51mph...Stall
> is listed in the logbook as 50mph.
>
> Thanks
>
> Frank
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> 601HDS for sale
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
I thought it said "in landing configuration" on the 45 kts stall speed.
Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Butterfield" <rbutterfield@mebtel.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sport pilot
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield
<rbutterfield@mebtel.net>
>
> At 09:02 PM 3/16/2006, Fritz Gurschick wrote:
> >All Frank has to do is: load his airplane to Goss placarded weight,
> >take the potential buyer with him, fly the airplane and see if it
> >indeed will not stall until 45kts.
>
> Almost all, anyway ;-)
>
> One more gotcha: the stall speed at gross has to be without the use
> of "lift enhancing devices", ie flaps.
>
> So, in summary, for your experimental to be eligible for Sport Pilot
> certificate holders, it has to stall at less than 45 knots, at gross
> weight (& worst cg), without using flaps.
>
>
> Regards,
> RonB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Unstable Tach |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Wow Tim,
You really got into the guts of the problem didn't you? Thanks so
much. One nagging question tho-- my tach is unstable (inoperative)
below 1000 rpm. Any ideas what's going on? Voltage too low as opposed
to too high? Suggestions?
Thanks
Ron DeWees
do not archive
Tim & Diane Shankland wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@core.com>
>
>This is just a continuation of my previous posts. As suggested I checked
>for inductive couplings etc. No repositioning of the wiring made any
>difference. It was time for the big guns, I carted my Techtronics 4
>channel rack mount scope out to the plane, it might have handles but it
>is not very portable. Anyway the normal wave form is a 10 msec step down
>to about -10 volts followed by an upward step to + 20 volts for 5 msec
>then back to 0. There is some ringing on both ends of the 20 volt step.
>The problem appears to be rather high voltage (15-20 volt) high
>frequency (5-10 microsec) noise that occurs above 3000 RPM usually in
>the middle of the -10 volt step. Since there was a significant frequency
>difference between the good and bad signal I constructed a filter, a 10K
>resistor connected to one end of two 12 volt zener diodes back to back
>with the other end to ground and a 0.2 uF capacitor across the the
>diodes. Checked it out today and all tack operation is smooth.
>
>TIm Shankland
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| Subject: | Re: New DVD: Scratch Building Basics for Metal Aircraft |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Lewis" <christopherlewis@earthlink.net>
This is my second Homebuilt Help video and I've enjoyed both of them. My wife and
kids groaned at the "helper" in this video [Wink] , but the information was
first rate.
I'd recommend this video to anyone interested in scratch building. I enjoyed that
they show you how to do things at home with tools you may actually have or
can easily build or obtain.
I'm still trying to find those new brake plans, though...
Chris in Seattle
--------
701 Scratch Builder
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22350#22350
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| Subject: | Re: Unstable Tach |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Tim, for dim fellow like myself with the same tac problem how do I fix it,
again??? You got a drawing or some photos ? Hope to hear from you, Bill of
Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Are we sure the coil on this ignition system is not going south...there
have been a number of failures of the IC107 coil used extensively on
Subaru powered airplanes.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unstable Tach
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Tim, for dim fellow like myself with the same tac problem how do I fix
it, again??? You got a drawing or some photos ? Hope to hear from you,
Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300
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| Subject: | Re: CAS was Sport pilot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
It's not the same as the average groundspeed from three different runs, it's
a vector calculation. The following website contains a link to an Excel file
that will handle the calculations for you.
http://together.net/~billvt/True%20Air%20Speed/true_airspeed_calculator.htm
You just have to fly three GPS tracks and record the track and ground speed
and the file will calculate the true airspeed. Also record the OAT and
pressure altitude for your test runs so you can convert TAS to CAS with an
E6B. This is a backwards calculation in that normally you use the E6B to
find TAS from CAS.
If your GPS determined TAS is reading lower than your IAS that usually means
that your airspeed indicator is reading high. This is common with CH 601s
that have the static source in in the cockpit, since the cockpit is at a
lower pressure than ambient in flight. At very low speeds the ASI will read
much lower than CAS because the air is hitting the pitot tube at an angle
rather than straight on. To get an IAS that accurately reflects CAS, you
need a proper static source and the pitot tube must be aligned directly into
the airstream in relatively undisturbed air.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
>
> Since the subject of CAS was brought up, I was wondering how to determine
> this. I know you use true airspeed, density altitude, and temp. Is TAS the
> same as the average groundspeed in 3 different directions with a GPS? My
> 601HD IAS is normally around 110 to 115 with GPS showing 98-104. So does
> this mean my IAS is reading high so CAS would be actually lower?
> John
>
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| Subject: | Re: New DVD: Scratch Building Basics for Metal Aircraft |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill+Rose" <naumuk@alltel.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Lewis" <christopherlewis@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:40 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New DVD: Scratch Building Basics for Metal
Aircraft
All-
Just received this CD set, but haven't had a chance to watch it yet. A
little late for me, but still could hold some "Secrets".
Bill
>
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22350#22350
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" <bjohnson@satx.rr.com>
Nope....
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Unternaehrer
> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 7:26 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sport pilot
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
> I thought it said "in landing configuration" on the 45 kts stall speed.
> Bob U.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Butterfield" <rbutterfield@mebtel.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:39 PM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sport pilot
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield
> <rbutterfield@mebtel.net>
> >
> > At 09:02 PM 3/16/2006, Fritz Gurschick wrote:
> > >All Frank has to do is: load his airplane to Goss placarded weight,
> > >take the potential buyer with him, fly the airplane and see if it
> > >indeed will not stall until 45kts.
> >
> > Almost all, anyway ;-)
> >
> > One more gotcha: the stall speed at gross has to be without the use
> > of "lift enhancing devices", ie flaps.
> >
> > So, in summary, for your experimental to be eligible for Sport Pilot
> > certificate holders, it has to stall at less than 45 knots, at gross
> > weight (& worst cg), without using flaps.
> >
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> >
> > Regards,
> > RonB
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| Subject: | Cable ties to anchor wires to ribs? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
The local EAA tech counselor did an inspection on the left wing I am getting ready
to close up, and had me tie the wires down better. In one place I had wires
going through one of the lightening holes near the ends of the wing to the
position lights. It is kind of loose there, and suggested that I use a method
of putting a cable tie around a bolt and the wire and somehow using more cable
ties to afix it to the wire and bolt. Well, I couldn't figure out what he was
wanting me to do after I made several attempts at it. Has anybody used this
method successfully to make cable constraints through the 4" lightening holes?
How is it done?
Don Mountain
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| Subject: | Re: Unstable Tach |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@core.com>
Ron,
It's really hard to tell without looking at the signal, that's why I
used the scope. (Funny I looked at a portable scope at Osh. last year in
the consignment test and almost bought it, carting the big one out makes
me wish I had.) As I described the tach, at least in my case sees a
square wave at each plug firing and the amplitude did not change
significantly with RPM. If you do not get any tach operation below 1000
it could mean that you have a problem with your tach. If it is a
problem with insufficient signal it will be much more difficult in
that an active addition ( amplifier) would be necessary rather than a
simple passive filter.
Tim Shankland
ron dewees wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
>
>Wow Tim,
>You really got into the guts of the problem didn't you? Thanks so
>much. One nagging question tho-- my tach is unstable (inoperative)
>below 1000 rpm. Any ideas what's going on? Voltage too low as opposed
>to too high? Suggestions?
>Thanks
>Ron DeWees
>
>do not archive
>
>Tim & Diane Shankland wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@core.com>
>>
>>This is just a continuation of my previous posts. As suggested I checked
>>for inductive couplings etc. No repositioning of the wiring made any
>>difference. It was time for the big guns, I carted my Techtronics 4
>>channel rack mount scope out to the plane, it might have handles but it
>>is not very portable. Anyway the normal wave form is a 10 msec step down
>>to about -10 volts followed by an upward step to + 20 volts for 5 msec
>>then back to 0. There is some ringing on both ends of the 20 volt step.
>>The problem appears to be rather high voltage (15-20 volt) high
>>frequency (5-10 microsec) noise that occurs above 3000 RPM usually in
>>the middle of the -10 volt step. Since there was a significant frequency
>>difference between the good and bad signal I constructed a filter, a 10K
>>resistor connected to one end of two 12 volt zener diodes back to back
>>with the other end to ground and a 0.2 uF capacitor across the the
>>diodes. Checked it out today and all tack operation is smooth.
>>
>>TIm Shankland
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| Subject: | Re: Unstable Tach |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@core.com>
It's a real simple circuit, I'll draw it up and post it. It might take a
day to get to it.
Tim Shankland
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
>Tim, for dim fellow like myself with the same tac problem how do I fix it,
>again??? You got a drawing or some photos ? Hope to hear from you, Bill of
>Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300
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| Subject: | Re: Unstable Tach |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@core.com>
Frank,
As I mentioned in an earlier post the airplane has not flown yet. It
would seem though if there is a problem that it would be with the
ignition module. The extra noise pulse comes right in the middle of the
-10 volt excursion. but doesn't effect the level. That is I have a
straight line at -10 volts with the noise pulse in the middle but still
a steady straight level after it. Since it occurs exactly at 3000 RPM
every time I'm wondering if it has something to do with the centrifugal
spark advance? The information I have on the engine gives me lost of
info about the cooling system but nothing about the spark advance. I
guess I could use a timing light to determine when the spark advance
starts to see if there is any relationship.
Tim Shankland
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Are we sure the coil on this ignition system is not going south...there
>have been a number of failures of the IC107 coil used extensively on
>Subaru powered airplanes.
>
>Frank
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:28 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unstable Tach
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
>Tim, for dim fellow like myself with the same tac problem how do I fix
>it, again??? You got a drawing or some photos ? Hope to hear from you,
>Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300
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| Subject: | Re: Cable ties (Use PVC instead) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Don:
Scott Laughlin here. It was nice meeting you last
week at the EAA meeting. I chose to install thin-wall
pvc pipe in my wings and I'm really glad I did. Since
you haven't closed up the wing, this would be your
last chance to do this. I found that it was nice to
be able to close up the wing, then worry about wires
later. I ended up adding a few more wires after the
fact and it was nice to have the pipe in there. Here's
a photo or two:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/5_20_04_WingInside.JPG
Here you can see the .025 brackets I riveted to the
ribs. Use a hole saw that is just smaller than the
pipe and file the holes larger with a round file for a
tight fit. Use JB weld to permanently affix the pipe
at the bracket holes.
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/5_20_04_Leftwing.JPG
Take care,
Scott Laughlin
EAA Chapter 80
www.cooknwithgas.com
--- Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain
> <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
> The local EAA tech counselor did an inspection on
> the left wing I am getting ready to close up, and
> had me tie the wires down better.
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| Subject: | Re: Cable ties (Use PVC instead) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Hulland" <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Scott,
Grand idea - those pvc pipes. I am reopening my 701 wings and will install
the pipes while inside.
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 701, Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Why No Mixture Control on the Rotax 912ULS2? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Plozay" <dplozay@cox.net>
List,
How do you lean the Rotax 912 ULS2 without a mixture control? I believe you all
are getting along fine without it, but I am curious, especially the more I read
about maintaining acceptable CHTs and EGTs.
What am I missing here?
Thanks,
David Plozay
CH701
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