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1. 05:14 AM - First Flight, 601 XL, N140BB (Bill Bartlett)
2. 05:39 AM - Re: First Flight, 601 XL, N140BB (Beckman, Rick)
3. 06:05 AM - Re: Aileron stiffness (Aaron Gustafson)
4. 06:32 AM - Re: First Flight, 601 XL, N140BB (n801bh@netzero.com)
5. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Aileron stiffness (Jim Hoak)
6. 09:03 AM - Re: Cable ties to anchor wires to ribs? (steveadams)
7. 12:51 PM - Rivets (LHusky@aol.com)
8. 01:13 PM - Re: Rivets (kevinbonds)
9. 01:48 PM - Re: Rivets (Bob Unternaehrer)
10. 02:23 PM - Re: Rivets (Robin Bellach)
11. 02:24 PM - XL Center armrest (Tim Juhl)
12. 02:46 PM - Re: Rivets (kevinbonds)
13. 02:48 PM - Re: Rivets (LHusky@aol.com)
14. 03:04 PM - Re: Rivets (Bob Unternaehrer)
15. 03:08 PM - Re: XL Center armrest (Bill Howerton)
16. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: XL Center armrest ()
17. 05:17 PM - Re: Rivets (kevinbonds)
18. 05:40 PM - Re: How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? (Tim Juhl)
19. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Aileron stiffness and force - XL (Phil Maxson)
20. 09:02 PM - Re: First Flight, 601 XL, N140BB (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject: | First Flight, 601 XL, N140BB |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Bartlett" <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
It is not a coincidence that Spring is known as the birth of new things.
I took my XL on its first flight today. It flew true and steady with my
Jabiru 3300A engine (I love that engine).
More to come as I continue Phase I testing.
Bill Bartlett,
Hanger: Boerne Stage Airfield, approx. 8 miles northwest of San Antonio,
Texas
N140BB, Zenith Zodiac 601 XL: Tri-Gear; Jabiru 3300A; Sensench 51x64;
Dual Sticks; Wing Lockers; Aux. Fuel Tanks; All Electric: Blue Mountain
Lite (PFD); Audio Panel; Garmin SL-30 and Icom A200 Radios; Reddish
Stall Warning System.
<http://www.avart.co.uk/picture.asp?id=783>
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| Subject: | First Flight, 601 XL, N140BB |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
It is not a coincidence that Spring is known as the birth of new things.
I took my XL on its first flight today. It flew true and steady with my
Jabiru 3300A engine (I love that engine).
More to come as I continue Phase I testing.
CONGRATULATIONS, Bill!!!!!!! Must feel GOOOOOOD!!! Do
let us know more later!!
Rick Beckman
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron stiffness |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron Gustafson" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
I'm at the point of building my right wing (HD) and had planned to put some
kind of aileron trim in the left, but from the recent posts I might just put
in on the right side. There's nothing in my plans about aileron trim, so my
question is, What type (internal or external) and how large seams to be
proven good by those already flying?
Aaron do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight, 601 XL, N140BB |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
It is not a coincidence that Spring is known as the birth of new things.
I took my XL on its first flight today. It flew true and steady with my
Jabiru 3300A engine (I love that engine).
More to come as I continue Phase I testing.
Bill Bartlett,
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Congrats to you................................
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
It is not a coincidence that Spring is known as the birth of new things.
I took my XL on its first flight today. It flew true and steady with my
Jabiru 3300A engine (I love that engine).
More to come as I continue Phase I testing.
Bill Bartlett,
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Congrats to you................................
do not archive
BenHaas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron stiffness |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Aaron,
I have a nine year old 601HD with 505 hrs on it. I put a MAC trim tab on my
right aileron while building. I use it all the time. I don't have wing fuel
tanks so it's just a matter of having someone in the passenger seat or not.
As for size, I don't have the dimensions here and the airplne is fifty miles
away so I'll guestimate the size. ( I got the dimensions by measuring the
tab Chris Heintz had on his personal airplane about 11 years ago) I estimate
the tab (added onto the trailing edge - not built into the aileron trailing
edge) to be about 350mm long and about 55 to 60mm wide. I used a closed loop
type hinge with a steel hinge pin. It is patterened after the one on the
elevator as supplied by ZAC. The trim actuater is mounted inside the aileron
itself. I asked Chris about aileron balance doing it this way. He said it
would be no problem and it hasn't been a problem. Works great.
Jim Hoak
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Gustafson" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:03 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron stiffness
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron Gustafson"
> <agustafson@chartermi.net>
>
> I'm at the point of building my right wing (HD) and had planned to put
> some
> kind of aileron trim in the left, but from the recent posts I might just
> put
> in on the right side. There's nothing in my plans about aileron trim, so
> my
> question is, What type (internal or external) and how large seams to be
> proven good by those already flying?
> Aaron do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Cable ties to anchor wires to ribs? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Another simple method that is a little difficult to describe, but works well and
is very quick. Drill a small hole as Frank suggested. Put a large cable tie
through the hole. Cut about 10 mm of plastic tubing (don't slit it) and slide
both ends of the cable tieth. Then put the cable tie around the wires and cinch
it down. This effectively holds the wires in place, with about an 8mm standoff
created by the piece of plastic tubing.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23162#23162
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: LHusky@aol.com
I ordered my first 1,000 rivets from Zenith. I see that Aircraft Spruce
also has the same rivet, with the same Avdel part number for half the cost of
Zenith. Has anyone ordered these rivets to see if they are the same. Every
detail of them seems to be the same.
Thank you for the information
Larry Husky
Completing tail section this week
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Larry
Check the archives for the complex history of this topic. Basically you need
to be certain that your batch has been tested. Do this yourself or let
Zenith do it.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LHusky@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:45 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Rivets
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LHusky@aol.com
I ordered my first 1,000 rivets from Zenith. I see that Aircraft Spruce
also has the same rivet, with the same Avdel part number for half the cost
of
Zenith. Has anyone ordered these rivets to see if they are the same.
Every
detail of them seems to be the same.
Thank you for the information
Larry Husky
Completing tail section this week
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Tested for WHAT? Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivets
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> Larry
>
> Check the archives for the complex history of this topic. Basically you
need
> to be certain that your batch has been tested. Do this yourself or let
> Zenith do it.
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LHusky@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:45 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Rivets
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: LHusky@aol.com
>
> I ordered my first 1,000 rivets from Zenith. I see that Aircraft Spruce
> also has the same rivet, with the same Avdel part number for half the
cost
> of
> Zenith. Has anyone ordered these rivets to see if they are the same.
> Every
> detail of them seems to be the same.
>
> Thank you for the information
>
> Larry Husky
> Completing tail section this week
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
bird flu
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
> Tested for WHAT? Bob U.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:11 PM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivets
>
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>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> Check the archives for the complex history of this topic. Basically you
> need
>> to be certain that your batch has been tested. Do this yourself or let
>> Zenith do it.
>>
>> Kevin Bonds
>>
>> Nashville TN
>>
>> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>>
>> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>>
>>
>>
>> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> LHusky@aol.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:45 PM
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Rivets
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: LHusky@aol.com
>>
>> I ordered my first 1,000 rivets from Zenith. I see that Aircraft Spruce
>> also has the same rivet, with the same Avdel part number for half the
> cost
>> of
>> Zenith. Has anyone ordered these rivets to see if they are the same.
>> Every
>> detail of them seems to be the same.
>>
>> Thank you for the information
>>
>> Larry Husky
>> Completing tail section this week
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| Subject: | XL Center armrest |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
A newbie question - I'm still waiting for my kit.
Has anyone ever built an XL with the center console made a little narrower (like
3 inches instead of 5)? Is there enough clearance on the elevator cables to
allow this?
Zenith's website lists the seat width at 21 inches but with sidepanels installed
it appears to be not much more than 18.5.
Comments?
--------
CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - awaiting kit
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23233#23233
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
ZAC tests them to a certain strength. CH wrote about in a newsletter.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Tested for WHAT? Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivets
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> Larry
>
> Check the archives for the complex history of this topic. Basically you
need
> to be certain that your batch has been tested. Do this yourself or let
> Zenith do it.
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LHusky@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:45 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Rivets
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: LHusky@aol.com
>
> I ordered my first 1,000 rivets from Zenith. I see that Aircraft Spruce
> also has the same rivet, with the same Avdel part number for half the
cost
> of
> Zenith. Has anyone ordered these rivets to see if they are the same.
> Every
> detail of them seems to be the same.
>
> Thank you for the information
>
> Larry Husky
> Completing tail section this week
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: LHusky@aol.com
I could read all day in the archives. Yes, this is probably the way to do
it, but I did not belong to the group then and there may be some more insight
on the subject now. I would like a little more information on the testing of
the rivets. Wouldn't all the rivets that come from Avdel be same and would
they not have thier own quality control department? I will search the
archive as directed, but would still like some information from anyone willing
to
share it.
Thanks,
Larry
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
PASSED. bOB u.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
>
> bird flu
>
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> > <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
> >
> > Tested for WHAT? Bob U.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:11 PM
> > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivets
> >
> >
> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds"
<kevinbonds@comcast.net>
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> Check the archives for the complex history of this topic. Basically you
> > need
> >> to be certain that your batch has been tested. Do this yourself or let
> >> Zenith do it.
> >>
> >> Kevin Bonds
> >>
> >> Nashville TN
> >>
> >> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
> >>
> >> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
> >>
> >> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > LHusky@aol.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:45 PM
> >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Zenith-List: Rivets
> >>
> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: LHusky@aol.com
> >>
> >> I ordered my first 1,000 rivets from Zenith. I see that Aircraft
Spruce
> >> also has the same rivet, with the same Avdel part number for half the
> > cost
> >> of
> >> Zenith. Has anyone ordered these rivets to see if they are the same.
> >> Every
> >> detail of them seems to be the same.
> >>
> >> Thank you for the information
> >>
> >> Larry Husky
> >> Completing tail section this week
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| Subject: | Re: XL Center armrest |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <bill@howerton.com>
The only problem I see would be that the aileron control horn (if you use
dual sticks) or the control stick itself (if you use center-stick) might
not be able to travel laterally the full distance that they are supposed
to travel if you narrow the center console.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Juhl"
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: XL Center armrest
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:23:48 -0800
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl"
A newbie question - I'm still waiting for my kit.
Has anyone ever built an XL with the center console made a little
narrower
(like 3 inches instead of 5)? Is there enough clearance on the
elevator
cables to allow this?
Zenith's website lists the seat width at 21 inches but with
sidepanels
installed it appears to be not much more than 18.5.
Comments?
--------
CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - awaiting kit
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D23233#23233
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| Subject: | Re: XL Center armrest |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
I believe the rudder cables would have the interference problem first since they
go thru the console in the horizontal in the horizontal plane.
Jerry
>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Juhl"
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: XL Center armrest
> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:23:48 -0800
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl"
>
> A newbie question - I'm still waiting for my kit.
> Has anyone ever built an XL with the center console made a little
> narrower
> (like 3 inches instead of 5)? Is there enough clearance on the
> elevator
> cables to allow this?
>
> Zenith's website lists the seat width at 21 inches but with
> sidepanels
> installed it appears to be not much more than 18.5.
>
> Comments?
>
> --------
> CFII
> Champ L16A flying
> Zodiac XL - awaiting kit
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Larry,
Sorry if I came off as annoyed, just can't find time to give a complete
answer at the moment. Just do a search for "avex made in China" or
something you'll get the info. Basically Textron has begun making our rivets
in China (as opposed to UK) as of late. Jury is still out on reliability of
Quality. I'm still using UK rivets that CH recommends. When it comes time
I'll test as per Newsletter--can't remember which # (maybe someone else will
chime in on that) diagram. The newsletter # may be in the archives as well.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LHusky@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LHusky@aol.com
I could read all day in the archives. Yes, this is probably the way to do
it, but I did not belong to the group then and there may be some more
insight
on the subject now. I would like a little more information on the testing
of
the rivets. Wouldn't all the rivets that come from Avdel be same and would
they not have thier own quality control department? I will search the
archive as directed, but would still like some information from anyone
willing to
share it.
Thanks,
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: How many don't use some kind of anti-corrosion primer? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
I plan to use primer between mating surfaces and probably treat the wings and airframe
with a mist of ACF 50 or similar when completed.
For what it's worth, I've owned a 1968 C172 and 1975 Cessna 182 which were not
zinc chromated on any interior surfaces. I don't know what grade aluminum Cessna
used. The 182 was a Florida bird until I bought it in 1997. Both were
reasonably clean inside, particularly between the ribs and bulkheads. I never
saw any areas of serious corrosion, just minor surface oxidation. I used ACF
50 in both aircraft and was happy with the results.
I hangar my aircraft which offers a great deal of protection. If I had to tiedown
outside all the time I would probably zinc chromate any areas likely to collect
moisture....just to be safe.
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - awaiting kit
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron stiffness and force - XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
My landing light is in the right wing for exactly that same reason.
Phil
N601MX
XL/Corvair
> The person who owned the first Zenith I'd ever seen up close- a
>gorgeous
>HDS, commented on the same left turn tendency. He said that if he had to do
>it all over again, he'd put as much accessory weight as he could in the
>right side. Consequently, I put my landing light and aileron trim in the
>right wing.
> Before cutting metal, I contacted EAA to find out if there was any reg
>against putting a landing light in the right wing. According to the EAA
>Technical Counselor, you can put the landing light anywhere, but he said
>the
>problem was probably aerodynamic and not weight related.
> As light as the Zenith is, there's a possibility that weight really is
>a
>factor, but three people noticing the same tendency is not conclusive.
> Anyone else want to "Weigh in"?
>
> Bill
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight, 601 XL, N140BB |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
That's gotta feel just great. Keep us posted
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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