---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/23/06: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:48 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 03/22/06 (hawk172@webtv.net) 2. 05:50 AM - Re: Actual serious question (Tommy Walker) 3. 04:21 PM - Ailerons and roll bars (Bill+Rose) 4. 05:03 PM - Re: Ailerons and roll bars (LarryMcFarland) 5. 05:17 PM - Re: Ailerons and roll bars (Craig Payne) 6. 08:19 PM - Ready to start project (Jimbo) 7. 08:33 PM - Re: Ready to start project (Craig Payne) 8. 08:42 PM - Re: Ready to start project (LHusky@aol.com) 9. 09:09 PM - Re: Ready to start project (Jimbo) 10. 10:38 PM - Re: Ready to start project (Paul Mulwitz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:21 AM PST US From: hawk172@webtv.net Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 03/22/06 --> Zenith-List message posted by: hawk172@webtv.net Is there anyone in the up state New York area building or flying a 601 that would be willing to let me visit them? I live near Ithaca. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:49 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Actual serious question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Zenith-List: Ailerons and roll bars --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill+Rose" Bill- Every little bit helps, if only in lower fuel usage over time. Rearranging the location of accessories I spoke of is no big job, and in my case, it's a done deal. Here's a question for you and everyone else out there. Do you have a roll bar, or are there plans for one? If you had to make an emergency landing in a plowed field (Plenty of those around here) you might do a beautiful job but still turn turtle at the last minute. In that case, you'd better be able to duck REAL low REAL fast, because the only thing between your head and the ground is a couple millimeters of canopy and the rudder. Know all about the race-Yugo. Used to be part owner of a 1971 C-150. The other Bill Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:45 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ailerons and roll bars --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Bill, The only Zenith I've seen inverted was one that was tied down outside in really bad weather. Have yet to see a 601 that's gone gear up in any landing. Not to say it can't happen, but the frequency of this occurring seems to be quite low. This roll bar issue was beat on rather hard a year or more ago. There were no satisfactory solutions advanced then either. Larry McFarland - 601hds at www.macsmachine.com do not archive >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill+Rose" > >Bill- > Every little bit helps, if only in lower fuel usage over time. >Rearranging the location of accessories I spoke of is no big job, and in my >case, it's a done deal. > Here's a question for you and everyone else out there. Do you have a >roll bar, or are there plans for one? If you had to make an emergency >landing in a plowed field (Plenty of those around here) you might do a >beautiful job but still turn turtle at the last minute. In that case, you'd >better be able to duck REAL low REAL fast, because the only thing between >your head and the ground is a couple millimeters of canopy and the rudder. > Know all about the race-Yugo. Used to be part owner of a 1971 C-150. > > The other >Bill > Do not >archive > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:32 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ailerons and roll bars --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" "The only Zenith I've seen inverted was one that was tied down outside in really bad weather." http://www.ch601.org/stories.htm -- Craig ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:03 PM PST US From: Jimbo Subject: Zenith-List: Ready to start project --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jimbo Hello, Ive been lurking here a while and notice alomost all the current projects are 601XLs. I got a demo flight in the factory one at Camarillo last year. I was also given a demo flight in a Jabiru 3300 powered Sonex taildragger by one of the members of my EAA chapter, 96 at CPM. I am a 200hr private pilot, most time in 152's and some in the Katana. From that experience and for other reasons, I will not own a Rotax engine. The bottom line is that after much study I am ready to buy plans for the tri-gear 601HD and my current engine choice is Corvair. Is anyone else here building or flying this same combination? Sonex - best performance for the buck, but not as comfortable or stable for long flights or insurable (per Avemco). 601XL - More complex, heavier and more costly. 601HD - Just right. Before I order plans, opinions from this group, please. Jim ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:53 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ready to start project --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Ask this on the Corvair list too. There may be an HD/Corvair owner who monitors that list but not this one. I'm sticking a Corvair engine on the front of my XL but I think (others can correct me) that most or all of the components William Wynne has developed for the XL will also work on the HD. BTW - I thought the HDS was an "improved" HD. What made you choose one over the other? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:55 PM PST US From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ready to start project --> Zenith-List message posted by: LHusky@aol.com Jim, Congrats on getting ready to start. I did a lot of research on all the Zenith models and I chose to build the XL from plans. I have never worked with metal before, so this was a big ordeal for me. I am halfway through the tail section and find that this is not that difficult. When I started, I was worried that I could not do this, but now, I am confident that I can. The XL is just a better choice for me. I like the landing gear much more than the HD. Make sure you have a band saw and a drill press. You dont need them, but they sure help a lot. Also, a good belt/disc sander is also helpful. I would also suggest a pneumatic riveter. I have both the hand and pneumatic. Good luck and let me know if you need anything. Larry Husky Finsihing tail ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:03 PM PST US From: Jimbo Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ready to start project --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jimbo --- Craig Payne wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > > > > BTW - I thought the HDS was an "improved" HD. What > made you choose one over > the other? > > -- Craig The HDS model is not LSA due to the higher speeds, top and stall. I think the XL has flaps because of the slight taper and different airfoil. Wing tanks and flaps I want to avoid to make trailering the aircraft more practical due to fewer things to connect and disconnect. I am concerned a little about fuel CG with the header tank, but a Corvair is supposed to be no heavier than a Rotax or Subaru. Jim ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:44 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ready to start project --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Jim, I think the most important question in your model choice is what your own goals are. If your goal is to build a plane that has the flight characteristics of a trainer and minimize your engine cost then your HD/Corvair combination sounds like it might be a good one. On the other hand if you want maximum Light Sport Plane performance along with maximum climb and lightest weight then I think an XL with Jabiru 3300 might be a good choice. Of course. the second combination will cost a lot more than the first one. I think the only way to make the ideal choice is to first make as many clear decisions as possible about your own wishes. Then it is a lot easier to choose which model or engine will best meet your own needs. Have fun, Paul XL wings -- currently planning to use Jab - 3300, but still at least 6 months away from a final decision. >Ive been lurking here a while and notice alomost all >the current projects are 601XLs. I got a demo flight >in the factory one at Camarillo last year. I was also >given a demo flight in a Jabiru 3300 powered Sonex >taildragger by one of the members of my EAA chapter, >96 at CPM. I am a 200hr private pilot, most time in >152's and some in the Katana. From that experience and >for other reasons, I will not own a Rotax engine. > >The bottom line is that after much study I am ready to >buy plans for the tri-gear 601HD and my current engine >choice is Corvair. Is anyone else here building or >flying this same combination? > >