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1. 05:01 AM - Re: Welding my tanks (Monty Graves)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: CH 701 bolts, nuts, s.l. nuts, washers, screws, rod and,....... (Tommy Walker)
3. 05:16 AM - About 912 muffler (Jari Kaija)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: Rookies Welding Tanks ... (Bima, Martin)
5. 06:28 AM - Re: Ready to start project (Gig Giacona)
6. 06:29 AM - Re: VDO fuel tank senders (Larry)
7. 07:06 AM - Engine for sale (Zill Coleman)
8. 07:20 AM - Re: Engine for sale (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 07:27 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 (Garrou, Douglas)
10. 07:39 AM - Re: Builder of an CH640 from plan (LarryMcFarland)
11. 07:52 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 (Gig Giacona)
12. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
13. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 (Bob Unternaehrer)
14. 09:32 AM - Re: Builder of an CH640 from plan (ROBERT SCEPPA)
15. 09:45 AM - Other Add-ons for Google Earth (Keith Ashcraft)
16. 10:16 AM - Re: fuel sender access covers (Phil Maxson)
17. 11:00 AM - Re: Builder of an CH640 from plan (Keith Ashcraft)
18. 01:26 PM - Re: VDO fuel tank senders (Peter Dunning)
19. 01:42 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 (Gig Giacona)
20. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: VDO fuel tank senders (Rory Davis)
21. 02:31 PM - Re: 801801801801 (Larry Landucci)
22. 02:38 PM - CFI - Ground Schools (John Maselli)
23. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Rookies Welding Tanks ... (cgalley)
24. 03:39 PM - Re: fuel sender access covers (Gary Gower)
25. 03:39 PM - No rivet zone (Bill Naumuk)
26. 03:46 PM - Medical issue (Ray Murphy)
27. 03:59 PM - Re: Medical issue (Craig Payne)
28. 04:27 PM - Re: Medical issue (Stanley Challgren)
29. 04:44 PM - Re: No rivet zone ()
30. 04:58 PM - Re: Medical issue (Daniel Vandenberg)
31. 05:31 PM - Re: Medical issue (LarryMcFarland)
32. 06:25 PM - Re: Medical issue (Don Walker)
33. 07:06 PM - Re: About 912 muffler (Trevor Page)
34. 08:01 PM - EA-81 RPM (Michel Therrien)
35. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Rookies Welding Tanks ... (Brandon Tucker)
36. 09:47 PM - Re: No rivet zone (George Swinford)
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| Subject: | Welding my tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
If the 3031 is .040-.050 thick, almost any good welding shop with a TIG
welder will be able to do it. Members of your local EAA can direct you
where, if one of them can't do it. If you still can't find a local
welder. Bruce Frank, advertises in the back of the EAA rags, to weld
and customize fuel tanks. From what I hear He does good work although
I have no idea what he charges. There will be shipping to and from CA I
believe..
The problem is getting the Zenith tanks welded is two things. 6061 is
harder to weld, and the .025 thickness. It takes a lot of practice and
skill to weld sheet that thin on and alloy that is not commonly
welded......Most welders won't attempt it. Not that they can't, its not
worth the pain in the ass to fiddle with for such a small job.
A local EAA chapter member welded up my 701 tanks, upon his recomendation
I went with the 3031 Alum also and .040 thick. I helped him clean and
fit the seams with vice grips as he welded, and each tank took aprox 2-3
hours of time to complete and pressure test. He did a nice job and they
turned out great.
Depending on welders rates in your area, this should give you some idea of
what each tank will cost to get it welded.
If you decide to go ahead and weld instead of rivet. Save the 3031 scrap
pieces, and takes some along to the weld shop. The welder may need some
patch fill pieces for the corners. If you cut a fraction too big a notch,
there will be a gap when the lips are folded over and mated to the side pieces.
Monty Graves
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Maselli <jfmasell@optonline.net>
>
>I am looking for someone who can weld my tanks. I am using 3031 tank grade
>aluminum and have formed all pieces as well as purchased all fittings I need
>someone who can take on the welding for my 801. I have fabrication for 4
>tanks. Any recommendations?
>
>
>John Maselli
>
>516-524-0420
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH 701 bolts, nuts, s.l. nuts, washers, screws, rod and,....... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
Hi,
You can get a materials list at www.ch701.com under builder's resources.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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| Subject: | About 912 muffler |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
I'm going to visit our metal dealer and I need to know structure of
muffler's silencer "bottle". Is it just plain stainless steel can with 4
intakes and one outlet, or has it steel plates (with or without holes)
inside it for silencing purposes?
----------------------------------
http://www.jarikaija.com
http://www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | RE: Rookies Welding Tanks ... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
It took me 1 month of part time work to fab 4 tanks. All of that time
included learning how to weld thin scrap aluminum (burning lots of
holes), cutting, bending, beading, fitting, clamping, welding (with a 35
year-old Purox torch). Before this I had 1 big bottle of amateur
welding experience. The local tig welders did not believe me when I
said that it was .025 - as they thought it was 1/2 the thickness of the
minimum to torch-weld.
I am not tooting my own horn here - just giving some other amateurs
confidence that with enough patience, allowing yourself to fail and
learn, an empty wallet (I am not paying $1000 to Zenith if there is a
remote possibility I can do it myself for a tenth of the cost), and of
course the stubbornness of a three-legged mule, IT CAN BE DONE.
I pressure/leak tested all of them (blew up one of them like a balloon
with about 4 psi), fixed the pinholes by welding, tested them again, and
then dumped in the tank seal for even more insurance (although the pros
recommended not to do that because the tank becomes un-weldable to
repair). When the first tank leaks, I will just replace it with another
complete tank (cost about $25 in materials).
HAPPY BUILDING
Martin Bima
STOL-Vair
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| Subject: | Re: Ready to start project |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
I didn't ask.
naumuk(at)alltel.net wrote:
> Gig-
> Is a Jab considered an "Alternative engine"?
> Bill
> ---
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W.R. Gig Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: VDO fuel tank senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
The part # is 221 012D. It's for a VW Beetle. The other number on the box
is V1551001209D. I got them from egauges. I have two I am not using if you
are interested contact me off list.
Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:40 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: VDO fuel tank senders
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Hi Guys can someone tell me what the model of the sender that ZAC uses
> is for the VDO fuek guage.
>
> The closest one on eguages looks to be 226-001 10 to 180ohms.
>
> Can anyone confirm this?...My sensder is still dead from when I filled
> the tank with water to find the leaks after the welded flange cracked
> some 4 years ago...:)
>
> Thanks
>
> Frank
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zill Coleman" <zill@pinnacletrans.com>
Stratus EA81 for sale. Complete FWF for Zenith (keeping prop & cowl)
less than 2 hours on engine. Ram heads, all installation gear including
mounts, radiator, wiring, stainless steel exhaust,dual throttle, etc.
You can hear and see it run at 7M2 Mt. View, AR email off line
zill@pinnacletrans.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Why are you selling Zill? That's a nice package there with the Ram
heads.
Frank
HDS 394 hours
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zill
Coleman
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:10 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Engine for sale
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zill Coleman"
--> <zill@pinnacletrans.com>
Stratus EA81 for sale. Complete FWF for Zenith (keeping prop & cowl)
less than 2 hours on engine. Ram heads, all installation gear including
mounts, radiator, wiring, stainless steel exhaust,dual throttle, etc.
You can hear and see it run at 7M2 Mt. View, AR email off line
zill@pinnacletrans.com
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
One thing worth pondering further in the never-ending auto v. aircraft engine debate
is this AD point.
True, only certified engines are subject to costly ADs (if you wish to keep them
certified, anyway), but that fact doesn't cut just one way. The AD system is
one manifestation of the fact that certified engines in the U.S. are subject
to an incredibly rigorous quality control and regulatory regime. This means
that owners at least have a CHANCE of FINDING OUT about potential problems in
their engines, from an authoritative source, backed up by actual data, BEFORE
the thing goes belly up.
Compare this to the situation with some Subaru-based auto conversions discussed
on this list. Some of these engines had very serious flaws resulting in *multiple
in-flight powerplant failures*, even though the total number of these engines
in service is quite small compared to Lycosauruses. I suspect the *percentage*
of these engines experiencing major problems would be an absolute jaw
dropper in the world of certified engines.
Does anyone really think that these engines wouldn't have been grounded if they
were subject to an AD regime?
To each his own, but at the moment my auto conversion goes quiet at 8,000 feet
over a mountain range, the cost of the quality control and warnings available
through the AD system will likely seem fairly small.
With all that said, I'd fly behind Ben Haas's engine any day. That thing just
looks COOL.
-----Original Message-----
Time: 06:18:17 PM PST US
From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801801801801
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
[snip]Also now there is a AD on Lycoming crankshafts that will cost the owner alot
more
money. If I were going to go the aircooled route I would pick the Lyc 180
hp clone that uses Roller lifter technology. Just my opinion and of course,,,
do not archive.
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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| Subject: | Re: Builder of an CH640 from plan |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Hi Christian,
Nice site, excellent table and brake! I'm not a 640 builder, but
completed a 601HDS from plans in 04.
I'm sure all plans builders will be interested in following your
progress. Scratch building is great
fun and the problem solving that it entails is the best of it.
Best regards,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Christian Tremblay wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Christian Tremblay <cj.tremblay@videotron.ca>
>
>Hi,
>
>I want to know who is building a CH640.
>
>I build from plan and I want to exchange informations and tricks with other
>CH640 builder.
>
>My rudder and mostly of the part of the tail wing are nearly completed.
>
>My website is located at : http://www.zodiac640.com
>
>Many photographies of my installation including a steel bending breake and
>press for ribs holes (home made).
>
>Thanks.
>
>Christian Tremblay
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Well, there's no reason that with the excellent communications that have developed
between builders that we can't have the same alert system in the non-certified
arena.
As an example, take the issues with the non-nitrated Corvair crank shafts. If I
was already flying a Corvair I would treat this no different than an AD. I personally
don't need the government to tell me that if the same thing is breaking
in a number of aircraft that I ought to get my part checked.
Doug Garrou wrote:
> One thing worth pondering further in the never-ending auto v. aircraft engine
debate is this AD point.
>
> True, only certified engines are subject to costly ADs (if you wish to keep them
certified, anyway), but that fact doesn't cut just one way. The AD system
is one manifestation of the fact that certified engines in the U.S. are subject
to an incredibly rigorous quality control and regulatory regime. This means
that owners at least have a CHANCE of FINDING OUT about potential problems in
their engines, from an authoritative source, backed up by actual data, BEFORE
the thing goes belly up.
>
> Compare this to the situation with some Subaru-based auto conversions discussed
on this list. Some of these engines had very serious flaws resulting in *multiple
in-flight powerplant failures*, even though the total number of these
engines in service is quite small compared to Lycosauruses. I suspect the *percentage*
of these engines experiencing major problems would be an absolute jaw
dropper in the world of certified engines.
>
> Does anyone really think that these engines wouldn't have been grounded if they
were subject to an AD regime?
>
> To each his own, but at the moment my auto conversion goes quiet at 8,000 feet
over a mountain range, the cost of the quality control and warnings available
through the AD system will likely seem fairly small.
>
> With all that said, I'd fly behind Ben Haas's engine any day. That thing just
looks COOL.
>
> --
--------
W.R. Gig Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25008#25008
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Except you have to be reading the right group..:)
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Well, there's no reason that with the excellent communications that have
developed between builders that we can't have the same alert system in
the non-certified arena.
As an example, take the issues with the non-nitrated Corvair crank
shafts. If I was already flying a Corvair I would treat this no
different than an AD. I personally don't need the government to tell me
that if the same thing is breaking in a number of aircraft that I ought
to get my part checked.
Doug Garrou wrote:
> One thing worth pondering further in the never-ending auto v. aircraft
engine debate is this AD point.
>
> True, only certified engines are subject to costly ADs (if you wish to
keep them certified, anyway), but that fact doesn't cut just one way.
The AD system is one manifestation of the fact that certified engines in
the U.S. are subject to an incredibly rigorous quality control and
regulatory regime. This means that owners at least have a CHANCE of
FINDING OUT about potential problems in their engines, from an
authoritative source, backed up by actual data, BEFORE the thing goes
belly up.
>
> Compare this to the situation with some Subaru-based auto conversions
discussed on this list. Some of these engines had very serious flaws
resulting in *multiple in-flight powerplant failures*, even though the
total number of these engines in service is quite small compared to
Lycosauruses. I suspect the *percentage* of these engines experiencing
major problems would be an absolute jaw dropper in the world of
certified engines.
>
> Does anyone really think that these engines wouldn't have been
grounded if they were subject to an AD regime?
>
> To each his own, but at the moment my auto conversion goes quiet at
8,000 feet over a mountain range, the cost of the quality control and
warnings available through the AD system will likely seem fairly small.
>
> With all that said, I'd fly behind Ben Haas's engine any day. That
thing just looks COOL.
>
> --
--------
W.R. Gig Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25008#25008
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
<<<take the issues with the non-nitrated Corvair crank shafts. >>>
Although I had my Crank nitrided from the beginning, I felt that the LOW
sample volumn, the type of inspections and the lack of much knowledge of the
products when they were installed, did not lend as much credibility to the
movement as it is being given. But I'm glad it's happening and glad I
didn't have to make that decision. I would have probably kept flying on
mine if it was a NON nitrided crank, because with my experience with
nitriding other products, i didn't feel like the process would help the
problems being experienced... IF any. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:51 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>
> Well, there's no reason that with the excellent communications that have
developed between builders that we can't have the same alert system in the
non-certified arena.
>
> As an example, take the issues with the non-nitrated Corvair crank shafts.
If I was already flying a Corvair I would treat this no different than an
AD. I personally don't need the government to tell me that if the same thing
is breaking in a number of aircraft that I ought to get my part checked.
>
>
> Doug Garrou wrote:
> > One thing worth pondering further in the never-ending auto v. aircraft
engine debate is this AD point.
> >
> > True, only certified engines are subject to costly ADs (if you wish to
keep them certified, anyway), but that fact doesn't cut just one way. The
AD system is one manifestation of the fact that certified engines in the
U.S. are subject to an incredibly rigorous quality control and regulatory
regime. This means that owners at least have a CHANCE of FINDING OUT about
potential problems in their engines, from an authoritative source, backed up
by actual data, BEFORE the thing goes belly up.
> >
> > Compare this to the situation with some Subaru-based auto conversions
discussed on this list. Some of these engines had very serious flaws
resulting in *multiple in-flight powerplant failures*, even though the total
number of these engines in service is quite small compared to Lycosauruses.
I suspect the *percentage* of these engines experiencing major problems
would be an absolute jaw dropper in the world of certified engines.
> >
> > Does anyone really think that these engines wouldn't have been grounded
if they were subject to an AD regime?
> >
> > To each his own, but at the moment my auto conversion goes quiet at
8,000 feet over a mountain range, the cost of the quality control and
warnings available through the AD system will likely seem fairly small.
> >
> > With all that said, I'd fly behind Ben Haas's engine any day. That
thing just looks COOL.
> >
> > --
>
>
> --------
> W.R. Gig Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25008#25008
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Builder of an CH640 from plan |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> Christian, I like your website. Your homemade brake
> is inovative and your a plans builder like me too.
> I have a similiar brake system like yours, but
> haven't tried it out yet. I have very little room
> in my garage. I have the plans for the 701. Maybe
> we can compare notes....Thanks Bob S.
--- Christian Tremblay <cj.tremblay@videotron.ca>
wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Christian
> Tremblay <cj.tremblay@videotron.ca>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I want to know who is building a CH640.
>
> I build from plan and I want to exchange
> informations and tricks with other
> CH640 builder.
>
> My rudder and mostly of the part of the tail wing
> are nearly completed.
>
>
>
> My website is located at : http://www.zodiac640.com
>
>
>
> Many photographies of my installation including a
> steel bending breake and
> press for ribs holes (home made).
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Christian Tremblay
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Other Add-ons for Google Earth |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
All,
I know this is not plane building related... but..... for those of you
that have just learned about Google Earth and have had some time to
explore it there is more....
This link will take you to FBOWEB that has a lot of overlays. You can
track all inbound flights realtime to LAX, or have US airspace polygons
in 3D, and even have Sectionals overlayed onto the Globe. Read the
directions. Easy to install. (high speed connection is recomended)
http://www.fboweb.com/antest/ge/intro.aspx
Have fun.
<>Keith
CH701
85% of all 0.016" parts cutout and formed,
going tomorrow for more sheets
ALRECO,
11299 Brighton Road,
Henderson, CO, (near Denver)
303-287-7210
ask for Bob
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| Subject: | Re: fuel sender access covers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
I made two covers that had a sort of a tit in the middle of them. I drilled
a hole in a board about an inch across, smoothed the edges and then used a
broom handle to pound a protrusion into the aluminum. When I was satisfied,
I cut them round and put felt inside to ensure they didn't ground on the
sender. My plane will be at Sun-n-Fun for your inspection.
Phil Maxson
N601MX
601XL/Corvair
> > I do recall one person saying that he scratch built a domed
> > cover for his senders.
>
>If you get an answer on that, I would like to know as well. I have the same
>problem, but haven't tackled it yet (low on the priority list). Filing down
>the terminal didn't work for me, nor any of the other tricks previously
>mentioned, so I will also need some sort of domed covers.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Builder of an CH640 from plan |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Christian, I agree with Bob, I "LIKE" your brake. I am getting parts for
a 10' this weekend. I don't have anything that long on the CH701 I'm
scratch building, but my Smyth Sidewinder has 10' spars that I have been
wondering what I was going to do. Now I know!!!!!
Keep up the good work.
Keith
CH701
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
85% of all 0.016" parts cutout and formed
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ROBERT SCEPPA wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
>
>
>
>>Christian, I like your website. Your homemade brake
>>is inovative and your a plans builder like me too.
>>I have a similiar brake system like yours, but
>>haven't tried it out yet. I have very little room
>>in my garage. I have the plans for the 701. Maybe
>>we can compare notes....Thanks Bob S.
>>
>>
>
>--- Christian Tremblay <cj.tremblay@videotron.ca>
>wrote:
>
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>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Christian
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>>Hi,
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>>I want to know who is building a CH640.
>>
>>I build from plan and I want to exchange
>>informations and tricks with other
>>CH640 builder.
>>
>>My rudder and mostly of the part of the tail wing
>>are nearly completed.
>>
>>
>>
>>My website is located at : http://www.zodiac640.com
>>
>>
>>
>>Many photographies of my installation including a
>>steel bending breake and
>>press for ribs holes (home made).
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>Christian Tremblay
>>
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>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
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| Subject: | Re: VDO fuel tank senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Dunning <peterd@metec.co.nz>
Hi Frank,
My 601HD wing tanks use the VDO sender kit P/N 226 002
10 to 180 ohms as supplied by ZAC. Empty = 10 ohms
VDO contact in the US.............
VDO North america
188 Brooke Road
Winchester, Virginia 22603
Ph: 540 665 0100
VDO specifically recommends that the fuel gauge is checked for compatibility
with the fuel sender. The installation instructions also refer to the VDO
Nth America catalog to check for matching.
I went one step further by setting up the sender/gauge for temporary
operation using a 12V bench power supply, and checked the general
calibration.
Cheers
Peter Dunning
CH601HD/912S
Wellington, NZ.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:40 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: VDO fuel tank senders
> Hi Guys can someone tell me what the model of the sender that ZAC uses is
> for the VDO fuel gauge.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
That's correct and is is the responsibility of anyone building and flying experimental
aircraft to "Read the right group." To do otherwise is foolish and will
ultimately lead to further regulation.
frank.hinde(at)hp.com wrote:
> Except you have to be reading the right group..:)
>
> Frank
>
> Do not archive
>
> --
--------
W.R. Gig Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25069#25069
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| Subject: | Re: VDO fuel tank senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rory Davis <n7cr@bellsouth.net>
> From: Peter Dunning <peterd@metec.co.nz>
> Hi Frank,
>
> My 601HD wing tanks use the VDO sender kit P/N 226 002
> 10 to 180 ohms as supplied by ZAC. Empty = 10 ohms
The CH-701 illustrated assembly manual specifies 10-70 ohms for the fuel sender,
confirmed by measurement when installed a few days ago.
Rory
Lacombe, LA
CH-701 left wing waiting for fluting pliers to arrive...
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| Subject: | Re: 801801801801 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Landucci <lllanducci@tds.net>
Without spending a lot of time tallying up the actual cost of the items
you mentioned I can assure you that it was very close to the $30,000
that you determined. All I can tell you is that the total amount
invested in my completed 801 was about $57,000, although that includes
a very full panel (approx $6000).
As far as the Lycoming AD's are concerned, my O-360 was never on any of
the lists that I received in the mail so was not affected. Besides, if
there was a potential problem wouldn't you want to know about it? If
you had a Lycoming clone I wonder if you would get information about
potential problems. The only instance of someone that went with a clone
(in our area) was delayed approx 6 months in his first flight because
of a faulty engine.
Larry Landucci -- N801LL
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| Subject: | CFI - Ground Schools |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Maselli" <jfmasell@optonline.net>
Does anyone on the Zenith list have his or her CFII and Ground School
Instructors Certificate. If so I would like to contact you / or you cantact
me off list to discuss a project I am doing to provide a ground school
course online. My apologies in advance if this email offends anyone for any
reason.
Do not archive!
John Maselli
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Rookies Welding Tanks ... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
The FAA certification check pressure is only 3.5 psi in the installed
condition. 1 psi will do the job. Use a toy balloon on the vent so it
blows up long before you can damage anything.
Cy Galley - Chair,
AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A Service Project of Chapter 75
EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Rookies Welding Tanks ...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
>
>
> It took me 1 month of part time work to fab 4 tanks. All of that time
> included learning how to weld thin scrap aluminum (burning lots of
> holes), cutting, bending, beading, fitting, clamping, welding (with a 35
> year-old Purox torch). Before this I had 1 big bottle of amateur
> welding experience. The local tig welders did not believe me when I
> said that it was .025 - as they thought it was 1/2 the thickness of the
> minimum to torch-weld.
>
> I am not tooting my own horn here - just giving some other amateurs
> confidence that with enough patience, allowing yourself to fail and
> learn, an empty wallet (I am not paying $1000 to Zenith if there is a
> remote possibility I can do it myself for a tenth of the cost), and of
> course the stubbornness of a three-legged mule, IT CAN BE DONE.
>
> I pressure/leak tested all of them (blew up one of them like a balloon
> with about 4 psi), fixed the pinholes by welding, tested them again, and
> then dumped in the tank seal for even more insurance (although the pros
> recommended not to do that because the tank becomes un-weldable to
> repair). When the first tank leaks, I will just replace it with another
> complete tank (cost about $25 in materials).
>
> HAPPY BUILDING
>
>
> Martin Bima
> STOL-Vair
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel sender access covers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Phil,
Good idea, will try it, but also some of us that will not go to S&F will appreciate
some photos... Thanks a lot.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
701 912S
Flying from Chapala
Start building a 601 XL.
Do not archive.
Phil Maxson <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson"
I made two covers that had a sort of a tit in the middle of them. I drilled
a hole in a board about an inch across, smoothed the edges and then used a
broom handle to pound a protrusion into the aluminum. When I was satisfied,
I cut them round and put felt inside to ensure they didn't ground on the
sender. My plane will be at Sun-n-Fun for your inspection.
Phil Maxson
N601MX
601XL/Corvair
> > I do recall one person saying that he scratch built a domed
> > cover for his senders.
>
>If you get an answer on that, I would like to know as well. I have the same
>problem, but haven't tackled it yet (low on the priority list). Filing down
>the terminal didn't work for me, nor any of the other tricks previously
>mentioned, so I will also need some sort of domed covers.
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
All-
Doing the rivet hole drilling on the center wing of my HDS.
There are a number of "No rivet zones". Thinking back to the rudder, you went
ahead and layed out and drilled the holes but didn't rivet them until final
assembly.
Same thing on the center wing? Lay out and drill the holes, but don't rivet
until mating with the fuselage, or leave them blank?
Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ray Murphy" <ray.murphy@verizon.net>
Fellow listers,
I've been diagnosed as midly hypertensive and as such have been prescribe 5mg.
of Lisinopril per day. Does anyone know how this will affect passing a standard
3rd class medical?
Thanks
Ray Murphy
Bandon, OR
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Looks encouraging. See www.leftseat.com/medcat1.htm and search for Prinivil,
Prinzide, Zestril, Zestoretic or Lisinopril. They are about 2/5th of the way
down the page.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Medical issue
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ray Murphy" <ray.murphy@verizon.net>
Fellow listers,
I've been diagnosed as midly hypertensive and as such have been prescribe
5mg. of Lisinopril per day. Does anyone know how this will affect passing a
standard 3rd class medical?
Thanks
Ray Murphy
Bandon, OR
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Cc: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
| Subject: | Re: Medical issue |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
Ray:
Read the side effects closely. Lisinopril gave me a persistent dry
cough that only ended 2 months after switching to a different med.
Stan
On Mar 29, 2006, at 4:48 PM, Ray Murphy wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ray Murphy"
> <ray.murphy@verizon.net>
>
> Fellow listers,
> I've been diagnosed as midly hypertensive and as such have been
> prescribe 5mg. of Lisinopril per day. Does anyone know how this
> will affect passing a standard 3rd class medical?
>
> Thanks
> Ray Murphy
> Bandon, OR
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: No rivet zone |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
Don't drill the holes. You will install parts later that will dictate where the
holes go. You can't just use the spacing specified on the drawings to locate
these holes.
Jerry
601HDS
>
> From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
> All-
> Doing the rivet hole drilling on the center wing of my HDS.
> There are a number of "No rivet zones". Thinking back to the rudder, you
went ahead and layed out and drilled the holes but didn't rivet them until final
assembly.
> Same thing on the center wing? Lay out and drill the holes, but don't rivet
until mating with the fuselage, or leave them blank?
> Bill
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Medical issue |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg <djvdb63@yahoo.com>
The dry cough is usually a minor thing. It occurs in about 20% of patients, and
can by eliminated by switching to another class of medicine, as was mentioned.
Ray...Lisinopril is, overall, a great drug, and you are taking a low dose. The
key is whether it is adequately controlling your blood pressure. If so, you
will have no problems with your medical clearance, as long as there are no other
serious issues.
Dan Vandenberg, M.D.
Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by:
Stanley Challgren
Ray:
Read the side effects closely. Lisinopril gave me a persistent dry
cough that only ended 2 months after switching to a different med.
Stan
On Mar 29, 2006, at 4:48 PM, Ray Murphy wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ray Murphy"
>
>
> Fellow listers,
> I've been diagnosed as midly hypertensive and as such have been
> prescribe 5mg. of Lisinopril per day. Does anyone know how this
> will affect passing a standard 3rd class medical?
>
> Thanks
> Ray Murphy
> Bandon, OR
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Medical issue |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Ray,
Call or visit the doctor that does your flight physical as a
pre-physical consult for an answer.
Then it's up to you to decide if you want to continue take the stuff, or
he can prescribe something better..
Larry McFarland
Ray Murphy wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ray Murphy" <ray.murphy@verizon.net>
>
>Fellow listers,
>I've been diagnosed as midly hypertensive and as such have been prescribe 5mg.
of Lisinopril per day. Does anyone know how this will affect passing a standard
3rd class medical?
>
>Thanks
>Ray Murphy
>Bandon, OR
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Medical issue |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
MILDLY hypertensive shouldn't get you in trouble. I think you can get away with
about 155 over 90 or so.
----- Original Message -----
From: LarryMcFarland<mailto:larry@macsmachine.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Medical issue
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com<mailto:larry@macsmachine.com>>
Ray,
Call or visit the doctor that does your flight physical as a
pre-physical consult for an answer.
Then it's up to you to decide if you want to continue take the stuff, or
he can prescribe something better..
Larry McFarland
Ray Murphy wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ray Murphy" <ray.murphy@verizon.net<mailto:ray.murphy@verizon.net>>
>
>Fellow listers,
>I've been diagnosed as midly hypertensive and as such have been prescribe 5mg.
of Lisinopril per day. Does anyone know how this will affect passing a standard
3rd class medical?
>
>Thanks
>Ray Murphy
>Bandon, OR
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: About 912 muffler |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Jari, as far as I can tell on my new ZAC system it's just a can
without any internal baffles.
A word of caution however: make you you have ball joints on each
cyclinder tube otherwise you will get cracks and failures!! A lot of
people have had issues with rigid exhaust tubes so don't make the
same mistake! My new system even has ball joints on the exhuast tubes
exiting the can below the cowling.
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
On Mar 29, 2006, at 8:14 AM, Jari Kaija wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija"
> <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
>
> I'm going to visit our metal dealer and I need to know structure of
> muffler's silencer "bottle". Is it just plain stainless steel can
> with 4
> intakes and one outlet, or has it steel plates (with or without holes)
> inside it for silencing purposes?
>
> ----------------------------------
> http://www.jarikaija.com
> http://www.project-ch701.net
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I had a discussion with my machine shop this evening
about the way we use our engines. He was comparing
flying engine usage with (speed) boat engine usage.
Normally, I take off with 4500-4600 rpm (65 to 70
mph). Then, I cruise at 4300-4500 rpm. At level
flight, I get 4950 max rpm.
How is it for those of you guys using Soob engines on
CH601s?
The machine shop guy is telling me it is easier on
engine heads to rev at higher speed with less torque
and load than to be too much loaded at lower speed.
Michel CH601-HD; 177 hours since Oct 5, 2004
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Rookies Welding Tanks ... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
I put a ball valve and a fitting on mine and simply
blew into the tank for pressurization. Stop when the
tank sides begin to balloon slightly. I then used my
daughters bubble solution to find pinholes and marked
them with a sharpie. I used 5052 for my wing tanks,
as per a Tony Bingelis article at .032, and 6061 for
the header tank, as per plans at .025. They were
all deformed after welding, but who cares? Thicker is
easier. If I were to do it again, I would probably do
it with .040. The weight difference could be
minimized slightly by the reduced amount of filler
needed to fill gaps due to heat distortion on the
thinner metal.
My welding services are available to anyone within
driving distance of Oceanside, Ca. -For the
reasonable rate of 2 cold delicious beers an hour.
R/
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS
Corvair purring like a kitten
in final assembly
http://home.sandiego.edu/~btucker-03/
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| Subject: | Re: No rivet zone |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
Leave them blank. Some of them you'll probably need to drill from below.
The longeron intersection for example. At least this was so back when I
built my center wing, probably from a kit much older than yours.
George Swinford 601HD
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: No rivet zone
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
>
> All-
> Doing the rivet hole drilling on the center wing of my HDS.
> There are a number of "No rivet zones". Thinking back to the rudder,
you went ahead and layed out and drilled the holes but didn't rivet them
until final assembly.
> Same thing on the center wing? Lay out and drill the holes, but don't
rivet until mating with the fuselage, or leave them blank?
> Bill
>
>
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