---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/29/06: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:01 AM - Re: Welding my tanks (Monty Graves) 2. 05:02 AM - Re: CH 701 bolts, nuts, s.l. nuts, washers, screws, rod and,....... (Tommy Walker) 3. 05:16 AM - About 912 muffler (Jari Kaija) 4. 06:19 AM - Re: Rookies Welding Tanks ... (Bima, Martin) 5. 06:28 AM - Re: Ready to start project (Gig Giacona) 6. 06:29 AM - Re: VDO fuel tank senders (Larry) 7. 07:06 AM - Engine for sale (Zill Coleman) 8. 07:20 AM - Re: Engine for sale (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 9. 07:27 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 (Garrou, Douglas) 10. 07:39 AM - Re: Builder of an CH640 from plan (LarryMcFarland) 11. 07:52 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 (Gig Giacona) 12. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 13. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 (Bob Unternaehrer) 14. 09:32 AM - Re: Builder of an CH640 from plan (ROBERT SCEPPA) 15. 09:45 AM - Other Add-ons for Google Earth (Keith Ashcraft) 16. 10:16 AM - Re: fuel sender access covers (Phil Maxson) 17. 11:00 AM - Re: Builder of an CH640 from plan (Keith Ashcraft) 18. 01:26 PM - Re: VDO fuel tank senders (Peter Dunning) 19. 01:42 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 (Gig Giacona) 20. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: VDO fuel tank senders (Rory Davis) 21. 02:31 PM - Re: 801801801801 (Larry Landucci) 22. 02:38 PM - CFI - Ground Schools (John Maselli) 23. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Rookies Welding Tanks ... (cgalley) 24. 03:39 PM - Re: fuel sender access covers (Gary Gower) 25. 03:39 PM - No rivet zone (Bill Naumuk) 26. 03:46 PM - Medical issue (Ray Murphy) 27. 03:59 PM - Re: Medical issue (Craig Payne) 28. 04:27 PM - Re: Medical issue (Stanley Challgren) 29. 04:44 PM - Re: No rivet zone () 30. 04:58 PM - Re: Medical issue (Daniel Vandenberg) 31. 05:31 PM - Re: Medical issue (LarryMcFarland) 32. 06:25 PM - Re: Medical issue (Don Walker) 33. 07:06 PM - Re: About 912 muffler (Trevor Page) 34. 08:01 PM - EA-81 RPM (Michel Therrien) 35. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Rookies Welding Tanks ... (Brandon Tucker) 36. 09:47 PM - Re: No rivet zone (George Swinford) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:57 AM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Welding my tanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves If the 3031 is .040-.050 thick, almost any good welding shop with a TIG welder will be able to do it. Members of your local EAA can direct you where, if one of them can't do it. If you still can't find a local welder. Bruce Frank, advertises in the back of the EAA rags, to weld and customize fuel tanks. From what I hear He does good work although I have no idea what he charges. There will be shipping to and from CA I believe.. The problem is getting the Zenith tanks welded is two things. 6061 is harder to weld, and the .025 thickness. It takes a lot of practice and skill to weld sheet that thin on and alloy that is not commonly welded......Most welders won't attempt it. Not that they can't, its not worth the pain in the ass to fiddle with for such a small job. A local EAA chapter member welded up my 701 tanks, upon his recomendation I went with the 3031 Alum also and .040 thick. I helped him clean and fit the seams with vice grips as he welded, and each tank took aprox 2-3 hours of time to complete and pressure test. He did a nice job and they turned out great. Depending on welders rates in your area, this should give you some idea of what each tank will cost to get it welded. If you decide to go ahead and weld instead of rivet. Save the 3031 scrap pieces, and takes some along to the weld shop. The welder may need some patch fill pieces for the corners. If you cut a fraction too big a notch, there will be a gap when the lips are folded over and mated to the side pieces. Monty Graves >--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Maselli > >I am looking for someone who can weld my tanks. I am using 3031 tank grade >aluminum and have formed all pieces as well as purchased all fittings I need >someone who can take on the welding for my 801. I have fabrication for 4 >tanks. Any recommendations? > > >John Maselli > >516-524-0420 > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:41 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH 701 bolts, nuts, s.l. nuts, washers, screws, rod and,....... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" Hi, You can get a materials list at www.ch701.com under builder's resources. Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:38 AM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Zenith-List: About 912 muffler --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" I'm going to visit our metal dealer and I need to know structure of muffler's silencer "bottle". Is it just plain stainless steel can with 4 intakes and one outlet, or has it steel plates (with or without holes) inside it for silencing purposes? ---------------------------------- http://www.jarikaija.com http://www.project-ch701.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Rookies Welding Tanks ... From: "Bima, Martin" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" It took me 1 month of part time work to fab 4 tanks. All of that time included learning how to weld thin scrap aluminum (burning lots of holes), cutting, bending, beading, fitting, clamping, welding (with a 35 year-old Purox torch). Before this I had 1 big bottle of amateur welding experience. The local tig welders did not believe me when I said that it was .025 - as they thought it was 1/2 the thickness of the minimum to torch-weld. I am not tooting my own horn here - just giving some other amateurs confidence that with enough patience, allowing yourself to fail and learn, an empty wallet (I am not paying $1000 to Zenith if there is a remote possibility I can do it myself for a tenth of the cost), and of course the stubbornness of a three-legged mule, IT CAN BE DONE. I pressure/leak tested all of them (blew up one of them like a balloon with about 4 psi), fixed the pinholes by welding, tested them again, and then dumped in the tank seal for even more insurance (although the pros recommended not to do that because the tank becomes un-weldable to repair). When the first tank leaks, I will just replace it with another complete tank (cost about $25 in materials). HAPPY BUILDING Martin Bima STOL-Vair ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:46 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Ready to start project From: "Gig Giacona" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" I didn't ask. naumuk(at)alltel.net wrote: > Gig- > Is a Jab considered an "Alternative engine"? > Bill > --- -------- W.R. Gig Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=24983#24983 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:09 AM PST US From: "Larry" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: VDO fuel tank senders --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" The part # is 221 012D. It's for a VW Beetle. The other number on the box is V1551001209D. I got them from egauges. I have two I am not using if you are interested contact me off list. Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: Zenith-List: VDO fuel tank senders > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > Hi Guys can someone tell me what the model of the sender that ZAC uses > is for the VDO fuek guage. > > The closest one on eguages looks to be 226-001 10 to 180ohms. > > Can anyone confirm this?...My sensder is still dead from when I filled > the tank with water to find the leaks after the welded flange cracked > some 4 years ago...:) > > Thanks > > Frank > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:16 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Engine for sale From: "Zill Coleman" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zill Coleman" Stratus EA81 for sale. Complete FWF for Zenith (keeping prop & cowl) less than 2 hours on engine. Ram heads, all installation gear including mounts, radiator, wiring, stainless steel exhaust,dual throttle, etc. You can hear and see it run at 7M2 Mt. View, AR email off line zill@pinnacletrans.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:18 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Engine for sale From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Why are you selling Zill? That's a nice package there with the Ram heads. Frank HDS 394 hours Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zill Coleman Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:10 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Engine for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zill Coleman" --> Stratus EA81 for sale. Complete FWF for Zenith (keeping prop & cowl) less than 2 hours on engine. Ram heads, all installation gear including mounts, radiator, wiring, stainless steel exhaust,dual throttle, etc. You can hear and see it run at 7M2 Mt. View, AR email off line zill@pinnacletrans.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:26 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 From: "Garrou, Douglas" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" One thing worth pondering further in the never-ending auto v. aircraft engine debate is this AD point. True, only certified engines are subject to costly ADs (if you wish to keep them certified, anyway), but that fact doesn't cut just one way. The AD system is one manifestation of the fact that certified engines in the U.S. are subject to an incredibly rigorous quality control and regulatory regime. This means that owners at least have a CHANCE of FINDING OUT about potential problems in their engines, from an authoritative source, backed up by actual data, BEFORE the thing goes belly up. Compare this to the situation with some Subaru-based auto conversions discussed on this list. Some of these engines had very serious flaws resulting in *multiple in-flight powerplant failures*, even though the total number of these engines in service is quite small compared to Lycosauruses. I suspect the *percentage* of these engines experiencing major problems would be an absolute jaw dropper in the world of certified engines. Does anyone really think that these engines wouldn't have been grounded if they were subject to an AD regime? To each his own, but at the moment my auto conversion goes quiet at 8,000 feet over a mountain range, the cost of the quality control and warnings available through the AD system will likely seem fairly small. With all that said, I'd fly behind Ben Haas's engine any day. That thing just looks COOL. -----Original Message----- Time: 06:18:17 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801801801801 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" [snip]Also now there is a AD on Lycoming crankshafts that will cost the owner alot more money. If I were going to go the aircooled route I would pick the Lyc 180 hp clone that uses Roller lifter technology. Just my opinion and of course,,, do not archive. Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:32 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder of an CH640 from plan --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Hi Christian, Nice site, excellent table and brake! I'm not a 640 builder, but completed a 601HDS from plans in 04. I'm sure all plans builders will be interested in following your progress. Scratch building is great fun and the problem solving that it entails is the best of it. Best regards, Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Christian Tremblay wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Christian Tremblay > >Hi, > >I want to know who is building a CH640. > >I build from plan and I want to exchange informations and tricks with other >CH640 builder. > >My rudder and mostly of the part of the tail wing are nearly completed. > >My website is located at : http://www.zodiac640.com > >Many photographies of my installation including a steel bending breake and >press for ribs holes (home made). > >Thanks. > >Christian Tremblay > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 From: "Gig Giacona" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" Well, there's no reason that with the excellent communications that have developed between builders that we can't have the same alert system in the non-certified arena. As an example, take the issues with the non-nitrated Corvair crank shafts. If I was already flying a Corvair I would treat this no different than an AD. I personally don't need the government to tell me that if the same thing is breaking in a number of aircraft that I ought to get my part checked. Doug Garrou wrote: > One thing worth pondering further in the never-ending auto v. aircraft engine debate is this AD point. > > True, only certified engines are subject to costly ADs (if you wish to keep them certified, anyway), but that fact doesn't cut just one way. The AD system is one manifestation of the fact that certified engines in the U.S. are subject to an incredibly rigorous quality control and regulatory regime. This means that owners at least have a CHANCE of FINDING OUT about potential problems in their engines, from an authoritative source, backed up by actual data, BEFORE the thing goes belly up. > > Compare this to the situation with some Subaru-based auto conversions discussed on this list. Some of these engines had very serious flaws resulting in *multiple in-flight powerplant failures*, even though the total number of these engines in service is quite small compared to Lycosauruses. I suspect the *percentage* of these engines experiencing major problems would be an absolute jaw dropper in the world of certified engines. > > Does anyone really think that these engines wouldn't have been grounded if they were subject to an AD regime? > > To each his own, but at the moment my auto conversion goes quiet at 8,000 feet over a mountain range, the cost of the quality control and warnings available through the AD system will likely seem fairly small. > > With all that said, I'd fly behind Ben Haas's engine any day. That thing just looks COOL. > > -- -------- W.R. Gig Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25008#25008 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:53 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Except you have to be reading the right group..:) Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:51 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" Well, there's no reason that with the excellent communications that have developed between builders that we can't have the same alert system in the non-certified arena. As an example, take the issues with the non-nitrated Corvair crank shafts. If I was already flying a Corvair I would treat this no different than an AD. I personally don't need the government to tell me that if the same thing is breaking in a number of aircraft that I ought to get my part checked. Doug Garrou wrote: > One thing worth pondering further in the never-ending auto v. aircraft engine debate is this AD point. > > True, only certified engines are subject to costly ADs (if you wish to keep them certified, anyway), but that fact doesn't cut just one way. The AD system is one manifestation of the fact that certified engines in the U.S. are subject to an incredibly rigorous quality control and regulatory regime. This means that owners at least have a CHANCE of FINDING OUT about potential problems in their engines, from an authoritative source, backed up by actual data, BEFORE the thing goes belly up. > > Compare this to the situation with some Subaru-based auto conversions discussed on this list. Some of these engines had very serious flaws resulting in *multiple in-flight powerplant failures*, even though the total number of these engines in service is quite small compared to Lycosauruses. I suspect the *percentage* of these engines experiencing major problems would be an absolute jaw dropper in the world of certified engines. > > Does anyone really think that these engines wouldn't have been grounded if they were subject to an AD regime? > > To each his own, but at the moment my auto conversion goes quiet at 8,000 feet over a mountain range, the cost of the quality control and warnings available through the AD system will likely seem fairly small. > > With all that said, I'd fly behind Ben Haas's engine any day. That thing just looks COOL. > > -- -------- W.R. Gig Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25008#25008 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:16 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <<>> Although I had my Crank nitrided from the beginning, I felt that the LOW sample volumn, the type of inspections and the lack of much knowledge of the products when they were installed, did not lend as much credibility to the movement as it is being given. But I'm glad it's happening and glad I didn't have to make that decision. I would have probably kept flying on mine if it was a NON nitrided crank, because with my experience with nitriding other products, i didn't feel like the process would help the problems being experienced... IF any. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gig Giacona" Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:51 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" > > Well, there's no reason that with the excellent communications that have developed between builders that we can't have the same alert system in the non-certified arena. > > As an example, take the issues with the non-nitrated Corvair crank shafts. If I was already flying a Corvair I would treat this no different than an AD. I personally don't need the government to tell me that if the same thing is breaking in a number of aircraft that I ought to get my part checked. > > > Doug Garrou wrote: > > One thing worth pondering further in the never-ending auto v. aircraft engine debate is this AD point. > > > > True, only certified engines are subject to costly ADs (if you wish to keep them certified, anyway), but that fact doesn't cut just one way. The AD system is one manifestation of the fact that certified engines in the U.S. are subject to an incredibly rigorous quality control and regulatory regime. This means that owners at least have a CHANCE of FINDING OUT about potential problems in their engines, from an authoritative source, backed up by actual data, BEFORE the thing goes belly up. > > > > Compare this to the situation with some Subaru-based auto conversions discussed on this list. Some of these engines had very serious flaws resulting in *multiple in-flight powerplant failures*, even though the total number of these engines in service is quite small compared to Lycosauruses. I suspect the *percentage* of these engines experiencing major problems would be an absolute jaw dropper in the world of certified engines. > > > > Does anyone really think that these engines wouldn't have been grounded if they were subject to an AD regime? > > > > To each his own, but at the moment my auto conversion goes quiet at 8,000 feet over a mountain range, the cost of the quality control and warnings available through the AD system will likely seem fairly small. > > > > With all that said, I'd fly behind Ben Haas's engine any day. That thing just looks COOL. > > > > -- > > > -------- > W.R. Gig Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25008#25008 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:09 AM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder of an CH640 from plan --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > Christian, I like your website. Your homemade brake > is inovative and your a plans builder like me too. > I have a similiar brake system like yours, but > haven't tried it out yet. I have very little room > in my garage. I have the plans for the 701. Maybe > we can compare notes....Thanks Bob S. --- Christian Tremblay wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Christian > Tremblay > > > > Hi, > > > > I want to know who is building a CH640. > > I build from plan and I want to exchange > informations and tricks with other > CH640 builder. > > My rudder and mostly of the part of the tail wing > are nearly completed. > > > > My website is located at : http://www.zodiac640.com > > > > Many photographies of my installation including a > steel bending breake and > press for ribs holes (home made). > > > > Thanks. > > > > Christian Tremblay > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:42 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Zenith-List: Other Add-ons for Google Earth --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft All, I know this is not plane building related... but..... for those of you that have just learned about Google Earth and have had some time to explore it there is more.... This link will take you to FBOWEB that has a lot of overlays. You can track all inbound flights realtime to LAX, or have US airspace polygons in 3D, and even have Sectionals overlayed onto the Globe. Read the directions. Easy to install. (high speed connection is recomended) http://www.fboweb.com/antest/ge/intro.aspx Have fun. <>Keith CH701 85% of all 0.016" parts cutout and formed, going tomorrow for more sheets ALRECO, 11299 Brighton Road, Henderson, CO, (near Denver) 303-287-7210 ask for Bob Do not Archive ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Industries, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT Industries accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:08 AM PST US From: "Phil Maxson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel sender access covers --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" I made two covers that had a sort of a tit in the middle of them. I drilled a hole in a board about an inch across, smoothed the edges and then used a broom handle to pound a protrusion into the aluminum. When I was satisfied, I cut them round and put felt inside to ensure they didn't ground on the sender. My plane will be at Sun-n-Fun for your inspection. Phil Maxson N601MX 601XL/Corvair > > I do recall one person saying that he scratch built a domed > > cover for his senders. > >If you get an answer on that, I would like to know as well. I have the same >problem, but haven't tackled it yet (low on the priority list). Filing down >the terminal didn't work for me, nor any of the other tricks previously >mentioned, so I will also need some sort of domed covers. > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:41 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder of an CH640 from plan --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft Christian, I agree with Bob, I "LIKE" your brake. I am getting parts for a 10' this weekend. I don't have anything that long on the CH701 I'm scratch building, but my Smyth Sidewinder has 10' spars that I have been wondering what I was going to do. Now I know!!!!! Keep up the good work. Keith CH701 N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' 85% of all 0.016" parts cutout and formed ********************************************** ROBERT SCEPPA wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > > > >>Christian, I like your website. Your homemade brake >>is inovative and your a plans builder like me too. >>I have a similiar brake system like yours, but >>haven't tried it out yet. I have very little room >>in my garage. I have the plans for the 701. Maybe >>we can compare notes....Thanks Bob S. >> >> > >--- Christian Tremblay >wrote: > > > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Christian >>Tremblay >> >> >> >>Hi, >> >> >> >>I want to know who is building a CH640. >> >>I build from plan and I want to exchange >>informations and tricks with other >>CH640 builder. >> >>My rudder and mostly of the part of the tail wing >>are nearly completed. >> >> >> >>My website is located at : http://www.zodiac640.com >> >> >> >>Many photographies of my installation including a >>steel bending breake and >>press for ribs holes (home made). >> >> >> >>Thanks. >> >> >> >>Christian Tremblay >> >> >> >> >> >> >>browse >>Subscriptions page, >>FAQ, >>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >> >>Admin. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -- ************************************* *Keith Ashcraft* ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Industries, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT Industries accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:50 PM PST US From: Peter Dunning Subject: Re: Zenith-List: VDO fuel tank senders --> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Dunning Hi Frank, My 601HD wing tanks use the VDO sender kit P/N 226 002 10 to 180 ohms as supplied by ZAC. Empty = 10 ohms VDO contact in the US............. VDO North america 188 Brooke Road Winchester, Virginia 22603 Ph: 540 665 0100 VDO specifically recommends that the fuel gauge is checked for compatibility with the fuel sender. The installation instructions also refer to the VDO Nth America catalog to check for matching. I went one step further by setting up the sender/gauge for temporary operation using a 12V bench power supply, and checked the general calibration. Cheers Peter Dunning CH601HD/912S Wellington, NZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:40 AM Subject: Zenith-List: VDO fuel tank senders > Hi Guys can someone tell me what the model of the sender that ZAC uses is > for the VDO fuel gauge. > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:03 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 801801801801 From: "Gig Giacona" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" That's correct and is is the responsibility of anyone building and flying experimental aircraft to "Read the right group." To do otherwise is foolish and will ultimately lead to further regulation. frank.hinde(at)hp.com wrote: > Except you have to be reading the right group..:) > > Frank > > Do not archive > > -- -------- W.R. Gig Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25069#25069 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:01 PM PST US From: Rory Davis Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: VDO fuel tank senders --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rory Davis > From: Peter Dunning > Hi Frank, > > My 601HD wing tanks use the VDO sender kit P/N 226 002 > 10 to 180 ohms as supplied by ZAC. Empty = 10 ohms The CH-701 illustrated assembly manual specifies 10-70 ohms for the fuel sender, confirmed by measurement when installed a few days ago. Rory Lacombe, LA CH-701 left wing waiting for fluting pliers to arrive... ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801801801801 From: Larry Landucci --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Landucci Without spending a lot of time tallying up the actual cost of the items you mentioned I can assure you that it was very close to the $30,000 that you determined. All I can tell you is that the total amount invested in my completed 801 was about $57,000, although that includes a very full panel (approx $6000). As far as the Lycoming AD's are concerned, my O-360 was never on any of the lists that I received in the mail so was not affected. Besides, if there was a potential problem wouldn't you want to know about it? If you had a Lycoming clone I wonder if you would get information about potential problems. The only instance of someone that went with a clone (in our area) was delayed approx 6 months in his first flight because of a faulty engine. Larry Landucci -- N801LL ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:02 PM PST US From: "John Maselli" Subject: Zenith-List: CFI - Ground Schools --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Maselli" Does anyone on the Zenith list have his or her CFII and Ground School Instructors Certificate. If so I would like to contact you / or you cantact me off list to discuss a project I am doing to provide a ground school course online. My apologies in advance if this email offends anyone for any reason. Do not archive! John Maselli 516-524-0420 _____ I've stopped 1,014 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at www.cloudmark.com Cloudmark SpamNet - Join the fight against spam! ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:16 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Rookies Welding Tanks ... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" The FAA certification check pressure is only 3.5 psi in the installed condition. 1 psi will do the job. Use a toy balloon on the vent so it blows up long before you can damage anything. Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair A Service Project of Chapter 75 EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bima, Martin" Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Rookies Welding Tanks ... > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" > > > It took me 1 month of part time work to fab 4 tanks. All of that time > included learning how to weld thin scrap aluminum (burning lots of > holes), cutting, bending, beading, fitting, clamping, welding (with a 35 > year-old Purox torch). Before this I had 1 big bottle of amateur > welding experience. The local tig welders did not believe me when I > said that it was .025 - as they thought it was 1/2 the thickness of the > minimum to torch-weld. > > I am not tooting my own horn here - just giving some other amateurs > confidence that with enough patience, allowing yourself to fail and > learn, an empty wallet (I am not paying $1000 to Zenith if there is a > remote possibility I can do it myself for a tenth of the cost), and of > course the stubbornness of a three-legged mule, IT CAN BE DONE. > > I pressure/leak tested all of them (blew up one of them like a balloon > with about 4 psi), fixed the pinholes by welding, tested them again, and > then dumped in the tank seal for even more insurance (although the pros > recommended not to do that because the tank becomes un-weldable to > repair). When the first tank leaks, I will just replace it with another > complete tank (cost about $25 in materials). > > HAPPY BUILDING > > > Martin Bima > STOL-Vair > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:48 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel sender access covers --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Phil, Good idea, will try it, but also some of us that will not go to S&F will appreciate some photos... Thanks a lot. Saludos Gary Gower. 701 912S Flying from Chapala Start building a 601 XL. Do not archive. Phil Maxson wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" I made two covers that had a sort of a tit in the middle of them. I drilled a hole in a board about an inch across, smoothed the edges and then used a broom handle to pound a protrusion into the aluminum. When I was satisfied, I cut them round and put felt inside to ensure they didn't ground on the sender. My plane will be at Sun-n-Fun for your inspection. Phil Maxson N601MX 601XL/Corvair > > I do recall one person saying that he scratch built a domed > > cover for his senders. > >If you get an answer on that, I would like to know as well. I have the same >problem, but haven't tackled it yet (low on the priority list). Filing down >the terminal didn't work for me, nor any of the other tricks previously >mentioned, so I will also need some sort of domed covers. > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:48 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: No rivet zone --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" All- Doing the rivet hole drilling on the center wing of my HDS. There are a number of "No rivet zones". Thinking back to the rudder, you went ahead and layed out and drilled the holes but didn't rivet them until final assembly. Same thing on the center wing? Lay out and drill the holes, but don't rivet until mating with the fuselage, or leave them blank? Bill ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:36 PM PST US From: "Ray Murphy" Subject: Zenith-List: Medical issue --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ray Murphy" Fellow listers, I've been diagnosed as midly hypertensive and as such have been prescribe 5mg. of Lisinopril per day. Does anyone know how this will affect passing a standard 3rd class medical? Thanks Ray Murphy Bandon, OR ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:31 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Medical issue --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Looks encouraging. See www.leftseat.com/medcat1.htm and search for Prinivil, Prinzide, Zestril, Zestoretic or Lisinopril. They are about 2/5th of the way down the page. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Murphy Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Medical issue --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ray Murphy" Fellow listers, I've been diagnosed as midly hypertensive and as such have been prescribe 5mg. of Lisinopril per day. Does anyone know how this will affect passing a standard 3rd class medical? Thanks Ray Murphy Bandon, OR ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:54 PM PST US Cc: Stanley Challgren From: Stanley Challgren Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Medical issue --> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren Ray: Read the side effects closely. Lisinopril gave me a persistent dry cough that only ended 2 months after switching to a different med. Stan On Mar 29, 2006, at 4:48 PM, Ray Murphy wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ray Murphy" > > > Fellow listers, > I've been diagnosed as midly hypertensive and as such have been > prescribe 5mg. of Lisinopril per day. Does anyone know how this > will affect passing a standard 3rd class medical? > > Thanks > Ray Murphy > Bandon, OR > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:39 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: No rivet zone --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don't drill the holes. You will install parts later that will dictate where the holes go. You can't just use the spacing specified on the drawings to locate these holes. Jerry 601HDS > > From: "Bill Naumuk" > All- > Doing the rivet hole drilling on the center wing of my HDS. > There are a number of "No rivet zones". Thinking back to the rudder, you went ahead and layed out and drilled the holes but didn't rivet them until final assembly. > Same thing on the center wing? Lay out and drill the holes, but don't rivet until mating with the fuselage, or leave them blank? > Bill > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:19 PM PST US From: Daniel Vandenberg Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Medical issue --> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg The dry cough is usually a minor thing. It occurs in about 20% of patients, and can by eliminated by switching to another class of medicine, as was mentioned. Ray...Lisinopril is, overall, a great drug, and you are taking a low dose. The key is whether it is adequately controlling your blood pressure. If so, you will have no problems with your medical clearance, as long as there are no other serious issues. Dan Vandenberg, M.D. Stanley Challgren wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren Ray: Read the side effects closely. Lisinopril gave me a persistent dry cough that only ended 2 months after switching to a different med. Stan On Mar 29, 2006, at 4:48 PM, Ray Murphy wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ray Murphy" > > > Fellow listers, > I've been diagnosed as midly hypertensive and as such have been > prescribe 5mg. of Lisinopril per day. Does anyone know how this > will affect passing a standard 3rd class medical? > > Thanks > Ray Murphy > Bandon, OR > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:18 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Medical issue --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Ray, Call or visit the doctor that does your flight physical as a pre-physical consult for an answer. Then it's up to you to decide if you want to continue take the stuff, or he can prescribe something better.. Larry McFarland Ray Murphy wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ray Murphy" > >Fellow listers, >I've been diagnosed as midly hypertensive and as such have been prescribe 5mg. of Lisinopril per day. Does anyone know how this will affect passing a standard 3rd class medical? > >Thanks >Ray Murphy >Bandon, OR > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:36 PM PST US From: "Don Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Medical issue --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" MILDLY hypertensive shouldn't get you in trouble. I think you can get away with about 155 over 90 or so. ----- Original Message ----- From: LarryMcFarland To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Medical issue --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland > Ray, Call or visit the doctor that does your flight physical as a pre-physical consult for an answer. Then it's up to you to decide if you want to continue take the stuff, or he can prescribe something better.. Larry McFarland Ray Murphy wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ray Murphy" > > >Fellow listers, >I've been diagnosed as midly hypertensive and as such have been prescribe 5mg. of Lisinopril per day. Does anyone know how this will affect passing a standard 3rd class medical? > >Thanks >Ray Murphy >Bandon, OR > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:25 PM PST US From: Trevor Page Subject: Re: Zenith-List: About 912 muffler --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page Jari, as far as I can tell on my new ZAC system it's just a can without any internal baffles. A word of caution however: make you you have ball joints on each cyclinder tube otherwise you will get cracks and failures!! A lot of people have had issues with rigid exhaust tubes so don't make the same mistake! My new system even has ball joints on the exhuast tubes exiting the can below the cowling. Trev Page C-IDUS 601HD R912 On Mar 29, 2006, at 8:14 AM, Jari Kaija wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > > > I'm going to visit our metal dealer and I need to know structure of > muffler's silencer "bottle". Is it just plain stainless steel can > with 4 > intakes and one outlet, or has it steel plates (with or without holes) > inside it for silencing purposes? > > ---------------------------------- > http://www.jarikaija.com > http://www.project-ch701.net > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:23 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Zenith-List: EA-81 RPM --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien I had a discussion with my machine shop this evening about the way we use our engines. He was comparing flying engine usage with (speed) boat engine usage. Normally, I take off with 4500-4600 rpm (65 to 70 mph). Then, I cruise at 4300-4500 rpm. At level flight, I get 4950 max rpm. How is it for those of you guys using Soob engines on CH601s? The machine shop guy is telling me it is easier on engine heads to rev at higher speed with less torque and load than to be too much loaded at lower speed. Michel CH601-HD; 177 hours since Oct 5, 2004 ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:49 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Re: RE: Rookies Welding Tanks ... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker I put a ball valve and a fitting on mine and simply blew into the tank for pressurization. Stop when the tank sides begin to balloon slightly. I then used my daughters bubble solution to find pinholes and marked them with a sharpie. I used 5052 for my wing tanks, as per a Tony Bingelis article at .032, and 6061 for the header tank, as per plans at .025. They were all deformed after welding, but who cares? Thicker is easier. If I were to do it again, I would probably do it with .040. The weight difference could be minimized slightly by the reduced amount of filler needed to fill gaps due to heat distortion on the thinner metal. My welding services are available to anyone within driving distance of Oceanside, Ca. -For the reasonable rate of 2 cold delicious beers an hour. R/ Brandon Tucker 601 HDS Corvair purring like a kitten in final assembly http://home.sandiego.edu/~btucker-03/ ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:08 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: No rivet zone --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" Leave them blank. Some of them you'll probably need to drill from below. The longeron intersection for example. At least this was so back when I built my center wing, probably from a kit much older than yours. George Swinford 601HD Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Zenith-List: No rivet zone > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" > > All- > Doing the rivet hole drilling on the center wing of my HDS. > There are a number of "No rivet zones". Thinking back to the rudder, you went ahead and layed out and drilled the holes but didn't rivet them until final assembly. > Same thing on the center wing? Lay out and drill the holes, but don't rivet until mating with the fuselage, or leave them blank? > Bill > >