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1. 03:38 AM - Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 (Jari Kaija)
2. 05:42 AM - Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 (Paul Mulwitz)
3. 06:11 AM - Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
4. 06:16 AM - Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 (Mike Sinclair)
5. 06:53 AM - Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 (Keith Ashcraft)
6. 07:07 AM - Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 (Jari Kaija)
7. 07:17 AM - 601 floats (alex trent)
8. 08:29 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 03/31/06 (Gpjann@aol.com)
9. 08:44 AM - CH-701 Auto Pilot (Roger Roy)
10. 09:52 AM - Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design (Christian Tremblay)
11. 10:20 AM - Re: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design (Jari Kaija)
12. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 03/31/06 (Al Young)
13. 11:23 AM - Re: 406 Mhz PLB (Jim Frisby)
14. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: 406 Mhz PLB (cgalley)
15. 03:36 PM - Re: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design (Jari Kaija)
16. 04:10 PM - Re: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design (Bill Naumuk)
17. 05:36 PM - Insurance - 701 (Chris Harding)
18. 06:33 PM - Re: Glue for rubber trim on canopy (LarryMcFarland)
19. 07:44 PM - Re: Insurance - 701 (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
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| Subject: | Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
Weird... My drawings 4/06 (SP) doesn't have information of jury struts material.
Even drawings dated as 2003 doesn't include it. Older CH701 (non SP) uses
one bended 4130 pipe.
Is it a same 4130N or is it 6061-T6?
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http://www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
4130 is very strong "Aircraft" Chrome Molybdenum steel, 6061 is
medium strength aluminum.
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
At 03:31 AM 4/8/2006, you wrote:
>Is it a same 4130N or is it 6061-T6?
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Hi Jari,
My drawings (4th Edition, 6th printing 02/2002) page 7-V-10 shows:
NOTE: ONE PIECE WING STRUTS 4130N ROUND SEAMLESS TUBE 1.125"OD X 0.035"
3SP JURY STRUTS -- .500"OD X 0.035" (8 REQ'D) -- 6061-T6 ROUND TUBE
4SP JURY STRUT ANGLE -- t=3D0.025" 6061-T6 -- (4 + 4 BRACKETS REQ'D)
5SP JURY STRUT BRACKETS -- 4130 t=3D0.050" -- (2 REQ'D)
6SP JURY STRUT BRACKETS -- 4130 t=3D0.050" -- (2 REQ'D)
7SP JURY STRUT CAP -- t=3D0.250" 6061-T6 -- l=3D21 (12 REQ'D) l=3D38 (4 REQ'D)
It looks like for the actual jury struts (3SP), mine indicates 6061. I have also
heard that for the Front and Read Struts, they have changed to streamline 4130
material, but I don't know if that is true.
Good luck,
Keith
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Sent: Sat 4/8/2006 4:31 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
Weird... My drawings 4/06 (SP) doesn't have information of jury struts material.
Even drawings dated as 2003 doesn't include it. Older CH701 (non SP) uses
one bended 4130 pipe.
Is it a same 4130N or is it 6061-T6?
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http://www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
I've got a pre SP and mine is 6061 (though not bended, I didn't much care for that
design). My neighbor built an SP kit and his struts were also 6061 (and a much
better method of strut attachment than the early drawings).
Mike
Jari Kaija wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
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> Weird... My drawings 4/06 (SP) doesn't have information of jury struts material.
> Even drawings dated as 2003 doesn't include it. Older CH701 (non SP) uses
> one bended 4130 pipe.
>
> Is it a same 4130N or is it 6061-T6?
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| Subject: | Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Hi all,
I don't know where those 3D s came from, it wasn't my typing. It had to
be the my work's web base mail system!!!!
Keith
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Ashcraft, Keith -AES wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
>
>Hi Jari,
>My drawings (4th Edition, 6th printing 02/2002) page 7-V-10 shows:
>
>NOTE: ONE PIECE WING STRUTS 4130N ROUND SEAMLESS TUBE 1.125"OD X 0.035"
>
>3SP JURY STRUTS -- .500"OD X 0.035" (8 REQ'D) -- 6061-T6 ROUND TUBE
>4SP JURY STRUT ANGLE -- t=3D0.025" 6061-T6 -- (4 + 4 BRACKETS REQ'D)
>5SP JURY STRUT BRACKETS -- 4130 t=3D0.050" -- (2 REQ'D)
>6SP JURY STRUT BRACKETS -- 4130 t=3D0.050" -- (2 REQ'D)
>7SP JURY STRUT CAP -- t=3D0.250" 6061-T6 -- l=3D21 (12 REQ'D) l=3D38 (4 REQ'D)
>
>It looks like for the actual jury struts (3SP), mine indicates 6061. I have also
heard that for the Front and Read Struts, they have changed to streamline 4130
material, but I don't know if that is true.
>
>Good luck,
>
>Keith
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>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jari Kaija
>Sent: Sat 4/8/2006 4:31 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130
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>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
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>Weird... My drawings 4/06 (SP) doesn't have information of jury struts material.
>Even drawings dated as 2003 doesn't include it. Older CH701 (non SP) uses
>one bended 4130 pipe.
>
>Is it a same 4130N or is it 6061-T6?
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>http://www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
> 3SP JURY STRUTS -- .500"OD X 0.035" (8 REQ'D) -- 6061-T6 ROUND TUBE
Thanks! Whew... I have enough that pipe already in my garage :-)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
Has anyone installed floats on a 601 taildragger? I am considering
doing so and wondered about how one would attach same.
Trigear is attached to the undercarriage attach points, this won't work
on a tail dragger. At least I can't visualize it. Open to any reasonable
explainations.
alex
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 03/31/06 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gpjann@aol.com
Al, I also would like a copy of your Condition Insoection.
Thanks,
Greg Jannakos
gpjann@aol.com
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| Subject: | CH-701 Auto Pilot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Roy" <savannah174@msn.com>
Speaking with a sales rep from EZ-PILOT autopilot, I was informed that that there
were installed on CH-701's if that be true could these folks contact me off
line for advise on the system, thank you
RJ
Savannah174@msn.com<mailto:Savannah174@msn.com>
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| Subject: | Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Christian Tremblay <cj.tremblay@videotron.ca>
Hi dear Zenith Builders,
I build a CH640 from plan, and wondering with some friends, if the fact to
use countersunk rivets, with a domed head rivet gun, could improve rivet
resilience or adding stress to rivets, when doing this kind of "counter
bending" former process. The other question that I have, is why Chris H.
don't design the aircraft with already existing Avex domed rivet?
Note: The College Design courses of Christ H., in his 2 article dedicated to
rivets, don't give the background reasons for this design. Somebody know
the reasons behind this specific utilization of countersunk rivets? Or is
this something frequent in the aircraft industry?
Thanks a lot for explanation.
http://www.zodiac640.com/
Christian Tremblay
Montreal, QC, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft |
design
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
> The other question that I have, is why Chris H.
> don't design the aircraft with already existing Avex domed rivet?
I'm more than happy, that Chris didn't. I love to build plane,
what is simple enough for everyone and do not require any
stupid (baby face style) working methods. Reasons are many.
If you want plane, what has "baby face" skin, you should
consider other planes or buy (factory made) one.
http://www.jarikaija.com
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 03/31/06 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@mchsi.com>
Gregg- Need your address. I'll make you a copy and snail mail it. I don't
have it on my computer.
Al
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 10:23 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 03/31/06
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gpjann@aol.com
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> Al, I also would like a copy of your Condition Insoection.
> Thanks,
> Greg Jannakos
> gpjann@aol.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <n801za@hotmail.com>
Does anyone know if there are COM receivers that will let us monitor the new
406mhz ELT frequency, or will it only be monitored by the sattellites? I
see that currently available 406 ELTs transmit on both, but will that be the
case after the changeover in 2009?
Jim Frisby
Alaska
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 406 Mhz PLB |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Don't think you would hear much being a digital pulsed signal. Still will
have the old low power 121.5 transmitting continuously to home on. The
digital pulsed signal is the reason that can increase the transmitted power
to 5 watts and have the batteries last so long. Shortly there should be an
article on 406 MHz I wrote for Sport Pilot.
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
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From: "Jim Frisby" <n801za@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: 406 Mhz PLB
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <n801za@hotmail.com>
>
> Does anyone know if there are COM receivers that will let us monitor the
> new
> 406mhz ELT frequency, or will it only be monitored by the sattellites? I
> see that currently available 406 ELTs transmit on both, but will that be
> the
> case after the changeover in 2009?
>
> Jim Frisby
> Alaska
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| Subject: | Re: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft |
design
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
> I build a CH640 from plan, and wondering with some friends, if the fact to
> use countersunk rivets, with a domed head rivet gun, could improve rivet
> resilience or adding stress to rivets, when doing this kind of "counter
> bending" former process. The other question that I have, is why Chris H.
> don't design the aircraft with already existing Avex domed rivet?
OOOPS! I'm really sorry. I'm was hurry, when I read your message
first time and countersunk/domed messed with my brain, as english is
not my natural language. Yes, you are right about that rivet question.
I'm using domed rivet with my ch701, but not from "Avdel". I think,
and there was a topic about this thing earlier too, that when using
countersunk rivets, rivet itself fills hole much better than domed will.
Reforming rivet from counters. to domed won't hurt rivet so much
either. Just think, what rivet's "pipe"-part have to endure. Very much
more forming than rivet's head. I'm really sorry that I confused these
rivets, since I thought, that you want to build plane with totally smooth
surface!
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| Subject: | Re: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft |
design
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Jari-
Don't apologize!!! The only French I know is "Merde" when I drill into
my finger!
Bill
do not, I repeat, do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H.
aircraft design
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
>
>> I build a CH640 from plan, and wondering with some friends, if the fact
>> to
>> use countersunk rivets, with a domed head rivet gun, could improve rivet
>> resilience or adding stress to rivets, when doing this kind of "counter
>> bending" former process. The other question that I have, is why Chris H.
>> don't design the aircraft with already existing Avex domed rivet?
>
> OOOPS! I'm really sorry. I'm was hurry, when I read your message
> first time and countersunk/domed messed with my brain, as english is
> not my natural language. Yes, you are right about that rivet question.
> I'm using domed rivet with my ch701, but not from "Avdel". I think,
> and there was a topic about this thing earlier too, that when using
> countersunk rivets, rivet itself fills hole much better than domed will.
> Reforming rivet from counters. to domed won't hurt rivet so much
> either. Just think, what rivet's "pipe"-part have to endure. Very much
> more forming than rivet's head. I'm really sorry that I confused these
> rivets, since I thought, that you want to build plane with totally smooth
> surface!
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Harding" <charding@houston.rr.com>
I think I'm fairly near to securing a deal on a nice, lightly used 701. Does anyone
have any suggestions for the best deals in insurance? I'm based in the
USA.
Thanks,
Chris Harding
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| Subject: | Re: Glue for rubber trim on canopy |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Rick,
I used PolyZap, a form of "crazy glue". Worked great, only needed a drop
each inch or so.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Rick Tedford wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Tedford" <rick.tedford@sympatico.ca>
>
>Hello All : Can anyone recommend a method of making the trim stay on the canopy
? I have had a dickens of a time with trying to keep same on the canopy .
>All suggestions will be appreciated . ( I have had no success with the glue recommende
by ZAC )
>
>Regards to all
>Rick Tedford
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
AOPA, best deal I found by quite a margin. They will give you a quote
without you actually being a member, then you can join if the deal looks
good to you.
Frank
601HDS 394 hours
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Harding
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Insurance - 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Harding"
--> <charding@houston.rr.com>
I think I'm fairly near to securing a deal on a nice, lightly used 701.
Does anyone have any suggestions for the best deals in insurance? I'm
based in the USA.
Thanks,
Chris Harding
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