---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/08/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:38 AM - Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 (Jari Kaija) 2. 05:42 AM - Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 (Paul Mulwitz) 3. 06:11 AM - Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 (Ashcraft, Keith -AES) 4. 06:16 AM - Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 (Mike Sinclair) 5. 06:53 AM - Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 (Keith Ashcraft) 6. 07:07 AM - Re: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 (Jari Kaija) 7. 07:17 AM - 601 floats (alex trent) 8. 08:29 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 03/31/06 (Gpjann@aol.com) 9. 08:44 AM - CH-701 Auto Pilot (Roger Roy) 10. 09:52 AM - Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design (Christian Tremblay) 11. 10:20 AM - Re: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design (Jari Kaija) 12. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 03/31/06 (Al Young) 13. 11:23 AM - Re: 406 Mhz PLB (Jim Frisby) 14. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: 406 Mhz PLB (cgalley) 15. 03:36 PM - Re: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design (Jari Kaija) 16. 04:10 PM - Re: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design (Bill Naumuk) 17. 05:36 PM - Insurance - 701 (Chris Harding) 18. 06:33 PM - Re: Glue for rubber trim on canopy (LarryMcFarland) 19. 07:44 PM - Re: Insurance - 701 (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:54 AM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Zenith-List: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" Weird... My drawings 4/06 (SP) doesn't have information of jury struts material. Even drawings dated as 2003 doesn't include it. Older CH701 (non SP) uses one bended 4130 pipe. Is it a same 4130N or is it 6061-T6? ---------------------------------- http://www.jarikaija.com http://www.project-ch701.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:52 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz 4130 is very strong "Aircraft" Chrome Molybdenum steel, 6061 is medium strength aluminum. Paul XL wings do not archive At 03:31 AM 4/8/2006, you wrote: >Is it a same 4130N or is it 6061-T6? --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Hi Jari, My drawings (4th Edition, 6th printing 02/2002) page 7-V-10 shows: NOTE: ONE PIECE WING STRUTS 4130N ROUND SEAMLESS TUBE 1.125"OD X 0.035" 3SP JURY STRUTS -- .500"OD X 0.035" (8 REQ'D) -- 6061-T6 ROUND TUBE 4SP JURY STRUT ANGLE -- t=3D0.025" 6061-T6 -- (4 + 4 BRACKETS REQ'D) 5SP JURY STRUT BRACKETS -- 4130 t=3D0.050" -- (2 REQ'D) 6SP JURY STRUT BRACKETS -- 4130 t=3D0.050" -- (2 REQ'D) 7SP JURY STRUT CAP -- t=3D0.250" 6061-T6 -- l=3D21 (12 REQ'D) l=3D38 (4 REQ'D) It looks like for the actual jury struts (3SP), mine indicates 6061. I have also heard that for the Front and Read Struts, they have changed to streamline 4130 material, but I don't know if that is true. Good luck, Keith ************************************************************************************************* -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jari Kaija Sent: Sat 4/8/2006 4:31 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" Weird... My drawings 4/06 (SP) doesn't have information of jury struts material. Even drawings dated as 2003 doesn't include it. Older CH701 (non SP) uses one bended 4130 pipe. Is it a same 4130N or is it 6061-T6? ---------------------------------- http://www.jarikaija.com http://www.project-ch701.net ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Industries, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT Industries accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:03 AM PST US From: Mike Sinclair Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair I've got a pre SP and mine is 6061 (though not bended, I didn't much care for that design). My neighbor built an SP kit and his struts were also 6061 (and a much better method of strut attachment than the early drawings). Mike Jari Kaija wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > > Weird... My drawings 4/06 (SP) doesn't have information of jury struts material. > Even drawings dated as 2003 doesn't include it. Older CH701 (non SP) uses > one bended 4130 pipe. > > Is it a same 4130N or is it 6061-T6? > > ---------------------------------- > http://www.jarikaija.com > http://www.project-ch701.net > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:32 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft Hi all, I don't know where those 3D s came from, it wasn't my typing. It had to be the my work's web base mail system!!!! Keith ****************************************************** Ashcraft, Keith -AES wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" > >Hi Jari, >My drawings (4th Edition, 6th printing 02/2002) page 7-V-10 shows: > >NOTE: ONE PIECE WING STRUTS 4130N ROUND SEAMLESS TUBE 1.125"OD X 0.035" > >3SP JURY STRUTS -- .500"OD X 0.035" (8 REQ'D) -- 6061-T6 ROUND TUBE >4SP JURY STRUT ANGLE -- t=3D0.025" 6061-T6 -- (4 + 4 BRACKETS REQ'D) >5SP JURY STRUT BRACKETS -- 4130 t=3D0.050" -- (2 REQ'D) >6SP JURY STRUT BRACKETS -- 4130 t=3D0.050" -- (2 REQ'D) >7SP JURY STRUT CAP -- t=3D0.250" 6061-T6 -- l=3D21 (12 REQ'D) l=3D38 (4 REQ'D) > >It looks like for the actual jury struts (3SP), mine indicates 6061. I have also heard that for the Front and Read Struts, they have changed to streamline 4130 material, but I don't know if that is true. > >Good luck, > >Keith >************************************************************************************************* > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jari Kaija >Sent: Sat 4/8/2006 4:31 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > >Weird... My drawings 4/06 (SP) doesn't have information of jury struts material. >Even drawings dated as 2003 doesn't include it. Older CH701 (non SP) uses >one bended 4130 pipe. > >Is it a same 4130N or is it 6061-T6? > > >---------------------------------- >http://www.jarikaija.com >http://www.project-ch701.net > > >************************************ >This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Industries, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT Industries accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. >************************************ > > > > > > > > > -- ************************************* *Keith Ashcraft* ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Industries, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT Industries accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:00 AM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jury struts 6061-T6 or 4130 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > 3SP JURY STRUTS -- .500"OD X 0.035" (8 REQ'D) -- 6061-T6 ROUND TUBE Thanks! Whew... I have enough that pipe already in my garage :-) ---------------------------------- http://www.jarikaija.com http://www.project-ch701.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:22 AM PST US From: alex trent Subject: Zenith-List: 601 floats --> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent Has anyone installed floats on a 601 taildragger? I am considering doing so and wondered about how one would attach same. Trigear is attached to the undercarriage attach points, this won't work on a tail dragger. At least I can't visualize it. Open to any reasonable explainations. alex ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:10 AM PST US From: Gpjann@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 03/31/06 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gpjann@aol.com Al, I also would like a copy of your Condition Insoection. Thanks, Greg Jannakos gpjann@aol.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:08 AM PST US From: "Roger Roy" Subject: Zenith-List: CH-701 Auto Pilot --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Roy" Speaking with a sales rep from EZ-PILOT autopilot, I was informed that that there were installed on CH-701's if that be true could these folks contact me off line for advise on the system, thank you RJ Savannah174@msn.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:25 AM PST US From: Christian Tremblay Subject: Zenith-List: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design --> Zenith-List message posted by: Christian Tremblay Hi dear Zenith Builders, I build a CH640 from plan, and wondering with some friends, if the fact to use countersunk rivets, with a domed head rivet gun, could improve rivet resilience or adding stress to rivets, when doing this kind of "counter bending" former process. The other question that I have, is why Chris H. don't design the aircraft with already existing Avex domed rivet? Note: The College Design courses of Christ H., in his 2 article dedicated to rivets, don't give the background reasons for this design. Somebody know the reasons behind this specific utilization of countersunk rivets? Or is this something frequent in the aircraft industry? Thanks a lot for explanation. http://www.zodiac640.com/ Christian Tremblay Montreal, QC, Canada ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:43 AM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > The other question that I have, is why Chris H. > don't design the aircraft with already existing Avex domed rivet? I'm more than happy, that Chris didn't. I love to build plane, what is simple enough for everyone and do not require any stupid (baby face style) working methods. Reasons are many. If you want plane, what has "baby face" skin, you should consider other planes or buy (factory made) one. http://www.jarikaija.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:34 AM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 03/31/06 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" Gregg- Need your address. I'll make you a copy and snail mail it. I don't have it on my computer. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 10:23 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 03/31/06 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gpjann@aol.com > > Al, I also would like a copy of your Condition Insoection. > Thanks, > Greg Jannakos > gpjann@aol.com > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:09 AM PST US From: "Jim Frisby" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: 406 Mhz PLB --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" Does anyone know if there are COM receivers that will let us monitor the new 406mhz ELT frequency, or will it only be monitored by the sattellites? I see that currently available 406 ELTs transmit on both, but will that be the case after the changeover in 2009? Jim Frisby Alaska ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:18 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: 406 Mhz PLB --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" Don't think you would hear much being a digital pulsed signal. Still will have the old low power 121.5 transmitting continuously to home on. The digital pulsed signal is the reason that can increase the transmitted power to 5 watts and have the batteries last so long. Shortly there should be an article on 406 MHz I wrote for Sport Pilot. Cy Galley EAA Safety Programs Editor Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Frisby" Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Zenith-List: RE: 406 Mhz PLB > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" > > Does anyone know if there are COM receivers that will let us monitor the > new > 406mhz ELT frequency, or will it only be monitored by the sattellites? I > see that currently available 406 ELTs transmit on both, but will that be > the > case after the changeover in 2009? > > Jim Frisby > Alaska > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:22 PM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > I build a CH640 from plan, and wondering with some friends, if the fact to > use countersunk rivets, with a domed head rivet gun, could improve rivet > resilience or adding stress to rivets, when doing this kind of "counter > bending" former process. The other question that I have, is why Chris H. > don't design the aircraft with already existing Avex domed rivet? OOOPS! I'm really sorry. I'm was hurry, when I read your message first time and countersunk/domed messed with my brain, as english is not my natural language. Yes, you are right about that rivet question. I'm using domed rivet with my ch701, but not from "Avdel". I think, and there was a topic about this thing earlier too, that when using countersunk rivets, rivet itself fills hole much better than domed will. Reforming rivet from counters. to domed won't hurt rivet so much either. Just think, what rivet's "pipe"-part have to endure. Very much more forming than rivet's head. I'm really sorry that I confused these rivets, since I thought, that you want to build plane with totally smooth surface! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:16 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" Jari- Don't apologize!!! The only French I know is "Merde" when I drill into my finger! Bill do not, I repeat, do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jari Kaija" Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Countersunk / domed bending rivet in Chris H. aircraft design > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > >> I build a CH640 from plan, and wondering with some friends, if the fact >> to >> use countersunk rivets, with a domed head rivet gun, could improve rivet >> resilience or adding stress to rivets, when doing this kind of "counter >> bending" former process. The other question that I have, is why Chris H. >> don't design the aircraft with already existing Avex domed rivet? > > OOOPS! I'm really sorry. I'm was hurry, when I read your message > first time and countersunk/domed messed with my brain, as english is > not my natural language. Yes, you are right about that rivet question. > I'm using domed rivet with my ch701, but not from "Avdel". I think, > and there was a topic about this thing earlier too, that when using > countersunk rivets, rivet itself fills hole much better than domed will. > Reforming rivet from counters. to domed won't hurt rivet so much > either. Just think, what rivet's "pipe"-part have to endure. Very much > more forming than rivet's head. I'm really sorry that I confused these > rivets, since I thought, that you want to build plane with totally smooth > surface! > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:26 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Insurance - 701 From: "Chris Harding" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Harding" I think I'm fairly near to securing a deal on a nice, lightly used 701. Does anyone have any suggestions for the best deals in insurance? I'm based in the USA. Thanks, Chris Harding Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=27072#27072 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:41 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Glue for rubber trim on canopy --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Rick, I used PolyZap, a form of "crazy glue". Worked great, only needed a drop each inch or so. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Rick Tedford wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Tedford" > >Hello All : Can anyone recommend a method of making the trim stay on the canopy ? I have had a dickens of a time with trying to keep same on the canopy . >All suggestions will be appreciated . ( I have had no success with the glue recommende by ZAC ) > >Regards to all >Rick Tedford > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:03 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Insurance - 701 From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" AOPA, best deal I found by quite a margin. They will give you a quote without you actually being a member, then you can join if the deal looks good to you. Frank 601HDS 394 hours -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Harding Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Insurance - 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Harding" --> I think I'm fairly near to securing a deal on a nice, lightly used 701. Does anyone have any suggestions for the best deals in insurance? I'm based in the USA. Thanks, Chris Harding Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=27072#27072