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1. 05:40 AM - Re: driving a flycutter -preferable a dual fly-cutter (steveadams)
2. 07:06 AM - Second Post (Russ GREENWAY)
3. 08:01 AM - Re: Second Post (AVIIDFLYIER@aol.com)
4. 02:32 PM - Dremel cutting bits... (Allen Ricks)
5. 03:00 PM - Re: MASPL Demonstrator Aircraft For Sale - Save over $12,000 (OK2AV8@aol.com)
6. 03:20 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Sealer (Graham Kirby)
7. 03:44 PM - Re: Dremel cutting bits... (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
8. 03:57 PM - Sun-N-Fun BBQ (Zodie Rocket)
9. 04:21 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ (Allen Ricks)
10. 04:21 PM - Re: Dremel cutting bits... (Allen Ricks)
11. 04:26 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ (Jim Hoak)
12. 05:57 PM - Re: Dremel cutting bits... (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
13. 06:03 PM - Re: MASPL Demonstrator Aircraft For Sale - Save over $12,000 (Jeff Davidson)
14. 06:05 PM - test flight for changing Bing main jets from 176 to 178 INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -2.0210 (LarryMcFarland)
15. 07:06 PM - Re: Dremel cutting bits... (Jaybannist@cs.com)
16. 08:21 PM - West Coast Sun-N-Fun BBQ (Zodie Rocket)
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| Subject: | Re: driving a flycutter -preferable a dual fly-cutter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
I used a single knife fly cutter in a battery drill for all of my panel holes.
Most good drills have an adjustable "clutch" normally used for driving screws.
set this fairly low so if the cutter catches, it stops spinning. Drill slowly
with a wood block under the panel and you won't get any wobble. I was worried
because of all the horror stories I had heard, but it seemed safe and easy to
me without a drill press, even on smaller pieces.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28339#28339
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Russ GREENWAY" <kylepilot@msn.com>
Hello group,
I am looking for a built 701 or 801 amphib or land plane I can convert to an amphib.
Went to Sun and Fun to check out kit amphibs and was disappointed not to
see a 701/801 sea plane.
Did get to see the Highlander amphib and I really liked it but slim chance to find
one for sale that is already built. I would love to build one, but no time
to spare.
Did get a factory promo ride in the jet fox which was awesome and really dreaming
for that bird.
Also got a test ride in an Avid Flyer that I am considering but still don't know
much about...that's why I went to sun and fun but the kit plane amphibs were
not as prevalent as a few years back but did learn some.
Been watching the Zenith list messages for about a month now ever since one of
our mechanics at work gave me a Zenith promo tape that I watched. Any help or
advice locating a prospective sea or land plane would be great.
Thanks for the welcome,
Russ Greenway
West Point Lake
LaGrange, GA
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: AVIIDFLYIER@aol.com
I have a rudder and partially assembled tail kit for sale. Health forceed the
sale. ahh the joys of getting old! write mo off line for details. kit is in
eastern NC
Tom Knox
252-813-7853 cell
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| Subject: | Dremel cutting bits... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Fellow listers,
In follow-up to my previous post about cutting out panels for access and
wing lockers...
Those of you that have used a dremel tool for "routing" out panels, etc.
What
bit (please be specific if you know) did you use for the task. I have been
practicing on scraps. This method works pretty well, but the cutting bits I
have are "grabbier" than I would like.
My thought is to make very simple wooden jigs to go around the outside of
the
area that I want to cut out. I would need to make one for the wing lockers,
and
one for the access panels, but this would be a LOT quicker than having to
make
another wing skin if I screw up. Less expensive too.
Thanks in advance, and thanks to those that answered my previous question.
Allen Ricks
Beaverton, OR
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| Subject: | Re: MASPL Demonstrator Aircraft For Sale - Save over $12,000 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: OK2AV8@aol.com
Jim,
Great description except one thing - which engine does N601VA have?
Tim Garrett
Zodiac XL with Jabiru 3300 (very similar to N601VA otherwise)
N360TM - Getting ready for first flight...
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Sealer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" <graham@601hd.com>
Stan,
I've heard of people having problems with sloshing compounds breaking up in
the tank when they are exposed to different fuel additives such as MTBE.
Bits peel of the tank wall and hopefully get caught in the filter before
reaching the carb.
Perhaps if you stick to avgas you will be okay but I suggest you dig through
the various archives before you make a final descision. It's easy enough to
get the sloshing compound into the tank but a bugger to get it out if you
change your mind :-).
Graham Kirby
601HD
=========
We previously built a 601 HDS and our EAA technical advisor strongly
recommended we seal our tanks before installing them. We got
Randolph Products #912 sloshing compound from Aircraft Spruce and
sloshed all four tanks. While we never had any fuel leaks in the
four + years we flew the aircraft I am now wondering if it is
necessary with the Zenair tanks as they seem to be very
professionally done.
Stan Challgren
701/?
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| Subject: | Dremel cutting bits... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Hi Allen,
I haven't gotten to this point yet, ...but.... I am going to use an inside template.
That way while you are cutting out the hole using an inside template and
you wonder off of the template, the inside scrap gets messed up. If you were
using a template and following along the outside of the template and your bit
wonders, then you just cut into your outer wing skin. I always try to make sure
that any mistakes are "into" the scrap piece of metal.
Do that make sense??
Good luck
Keith
CH701 -- 80% of all 0.016" metal cut and/or formed
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Allen Ricks
Sent: Fri 4/14/2006 3:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Dremel cutting bits...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Fellow listers,
In follow-up to my previous post about cutting out panels for access and
wing lockers...
Those of you that have used a dremel tool for "routing" out panels, etc.
What
bit (please be specific if you know) did you use for the task. I have been
practicing on scraps. This method works pretty well, but the cutting bits I
have are "grabbier" than I would like.
My thought is to make very simple wooden jigs to go around the outside of
the
area that I want to cut out. I would need to make one for the wing lockers,
and
one for the access panels, but this would be a LOT quicker than having to
make
another wing skin if I screw up. Less expensive too.
Thanks in advance, and thanks to those that answered my previous question.
Allen Ricks
Beaverton, OR
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Hi Guys & Gals
We got back to Ontario alright, but I came back to no internet access
due to a server crash. Never fun. But I'm back online and would like to
know how everyone enjoyed the Sun-N-Fun BBQ? Anything you would like to
see changed?
I will be posting pictures on the www.ch601.org and www.ch701.com
website by the end of the weekend.
A few things of note, I had 200 plates (we ran out early) 160 hamburgers
(8 left over) 120 hotdogs (all gone) 3 bags of 120 wings (quarter bag
left, will add a mild sauce to them next year) 75 fire roasted corn on
the cob (5 left) 16 two liters of pop (ran out way to early).
Flightcrafters brought the biggest cake I have ever seen, it was almost
gone by 8pm, some others brought strawberries. I would like to Thank
Jabiru USA, Sensornetics, Homebuilthelp.com and Can-Zac Aviation for
there donations to our event. I would also like to thank everyone who
contributed to the donation jar which helped bring this event into the
black and start building the funds for next years event if we have it.
That depends on you, was this event worth having? Did you have fun?
Though David and I work the show as Can-Zac Aviation, this event was
never supposed to be a Zenith Aircraft event. It was to be an event held
by builders for builders and owners of which we are! This is a major
cost for me in time and effort, all day Wed and most of Thursday my time
was dedicated to the BBQ, to try and provide all of you with the best
event possible.
The BIGGEST THANK-YOU goes out to Rick Roberts and his crew Ron and
Jerry who were our cooks! These guys bring there own grills, donate
there time and are not even builders, in fact when I mentioned that
wings would be nice to add to the menu they ran out and bought a Turkey
deep fryer just for our event. They enjoy helping us out and allow us
all the chance to mingle and get to place faces to the names we
constantly read. I also would like to thank Jim Hoak for reserving the
campground spot and lending a helping hand.
I hope you all had fun, Chris Heintz loves the event and looks forward
to it. please let me know if you want it in the future.
cdngoose
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Yes...
Could you have it (I mean the whole sun and fun) on the West coast next
year?
Allen
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Hi Guys & Gals
We got back to Ontario alright, but I came back to no internet access
due to a server crash. Never fun. But I'm back online and would like to
know how everyone enjoyed the Sun-N-Fun BBQ? Anything you would like to
see changed?
cdngoose
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| Subject: | Dremel cutting bits... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Hi Keith,
Yes, an inside template was what I was thinking.
I was figuring that I would need to make one for the lockers, and one for
the access
plates. Thin plywood should work well. If this works well, it may work for
the panel.
I'm thinking about the dynon stuff, so flywheel won't work as it would be
square holes.
The problem is the Dremel bits I have for cutting are grabby in aluminum. I
think they're
really designed for wood or plastic.
Thanks
Allen
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ashcraft,
Keith -AES
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dremel cutting bits...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES"
<Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Hi Allen,
I haven't gotten to this point yet, ...but.... I am going to use an inside
template. That way while you are cutting out the hole using an inside
template and you wonder off of the template, the inside scrap gets messed
up. If you were using a template and following along the outside of the
template and your bit wonders, then you just cut into your outer wing skin.
I always try to make sure that any mistakes are "into" the scrap piece of
metal.
Do that make sense??
Good luck
Keith
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Mark and David,
I thought it was a great event and was worth the effort. I had a few
interesting days hanging on to the space in the campground but I'm glad we
could do it. There were many who wanted the space.
I'm not sure what will actually transpire by next SunNFun, but if My Basic
Sheet Metal Workshop is still in a tent, that could be a place where we
could hold the BarBQue. It is at least as large as the space we had this
year. We'll see. Thanks for everyones efforts.
Jim Hoak
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
<zenithkitaircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
>
> Hi Guys & Gals
>
> We got back to Ontario alright, but I came back to no internet access
> due to a server crash. Never fun. But I'm back online and would like to
> know how everyone enjoyed the Sun-N-Fun BBQ? Anything you would like to
> see changed?
> I will be posting pictures on the www.ch601.org and www.ch701.com
> website by the end of the weekend.
> A few things of note, I had 200 plates (we ran out early) 160 hamburgers
> (8 left over) 120 hotdogs (all gone) 3 bags of 120 wings (quarter bag
> left, will add a mild sauce to them next year) 75 fire roasted corn on
> the cob (5 left) 16 two liters of pop (ran out way to early).
> Flightcrafters brought the biggest cake I have ever seen, it was almost
> gone by 8pm, some others brought strawberries. I would like to Thank
> Jabiru USA, Sensornetics, Homebuilthelp.com and Can-Zac Aviation for
> there donations to our event. I would also like to thank everyone who
> contributed to the donation jar which helped bring this event into the
> black and start building the funds for next years event if we have it.
> That depends on you, was this event worth having? Did you have fun?
> Though David and I work the show as Can-Zac Aviation, this event was
> never supposed to be a Zenith Aircraft event. It was to be an event held
> by builders for builders and owners of which we are! This is a major
> cost for me in time and effort, all day Wed and most of Thursday my time
> was dedicated to the BBQ, to try and provide all of you with the best
> event possible.
>
> The BIGGEST THANK-YOU goes out to Rick Roberts and his crew Ron and
> Jerry who were our cooks! These guys bring there own grills, donate
> there time and are not even builders, in fact when I mentioned that
> wings would be nice to add to the menu they ran out and bought a Turkey
> deep fryer just for our event. They enjoy helping us out and allow us
> all the chance to mingle and get to place faces to the names we
> constantly read. I also would like to thank Jim Hoak for reserving the
> campground spot and lending a helping hand.
>
> I hope you all had fun, Chris Heintz loves the event and looks forward
> to it. please let me know if you want it in the future.
>
> cdngoose
>
> --
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Dremel cutting bits... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
I have used ZIP Bits in the past for cutting holes in drywall, wood, when I put
in my dish-washer. They are 1/8" with a high-twist, but when I used them in wood,
I had complete control of where they went. These might be what you are talking
about. I have not tried them on aluminum. (but I was going to) I also have
a "router" attachment for my Dremel. It has big handles on it and you treat
it like a router, but once again I haven't tried it on aluminum yet.
Don't know what to tell ya!!
Keith
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Allen Ricks
Sent: Fri 4/14/2006 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dremel cutting bits...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Hi Keith,
Yes, an inside template was what I was thinking.
I was figuring that I would need to make one for the lockers, and one for
the access
plates. Thin plywood should work well. If this works well, it may work for
the panel.
I'm thinking about the dynon stuff, so flywheel won't work as it would be
square holes.
The problem is the Dremel bits I have for cutting are grabby in aluminum. I
think they're
really designed for wood or plastic.
Thanks
Allen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ashcraft,
Keith -AES
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dremel cutting bits...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES"
<Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Hi Allen,
I haven't gotten to this point yet, ...but.... I am going to use an inside
template. That way while you are cutting out the hole using an inside
template and you wonder off of the template, the inside scrap gets messed
up. If you were using a template and following along the outside of the
template and your bit wonders, then you just cut into your outer wing skin.
I always try to make sure that any mistakes are "into" the scrap piece of
metal.
Do that make sense??
Good luck
Keith
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| Subject: | MASPL Demonstrator Aircraft For Sale - Save over $12,000 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Jim must not be online. I have flown the plane N601VA. It has a Rotax 912
in it.
Jeff Davidson
Do not archive
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of OK2AV8@aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: MASPL Demonstrator Aircraft For Sale - Save over
$12,000
--> Zenith-List message posted by: OK2AV8@aol.com
Jim,
Great description except one thing - which engine does N601VA have?
Tim Garrett
Zodiac XL with Jabiru 3300 (very similar to N601VA otherwise)
N360TM - Getting ready for first flight...
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| Subject: | test flight for changing Bing main jets from 176 to 178 INNOCENT |
GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -2.0210
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Hi Guys,
It's been a month since the main jets were changed, but testing waited
for Sun n Fun and weather. Thought I should finally report the
results for those with a Stratus EA81 and Ram Performance heads.
Sunshine and tall overcast clouds were on tap today with just a few
sprinkles. About 2:00 weather was finally flyable with reported ceilings
of 3800 ft. I did preflight and twice checked the header tank for water.
Still pitched at 17-degrees, N601EZ lifted off at 2:30, climbed into the
south practice area and I observed the effects of changing the Bing main
jets from 176 to 178. A 180 main jet was tried last year and it caused
the engine to run a little rough. On climb out at high rpm the EGT never
exceeded 1400 deg F. Engine power seemed the same and it ran smoothly.
At 3500 feet I leveled off, pushed the throttle fully forward and
watched the tach reach 4950 rpm but no further. The richer mixture was
obviously cooler and yielded a little less horsepower. I adjusted
elevator trim to optimize airspeed and held a level attitude and waited.
The airspeed topped out at 128 mph, 5 less than before. EGTs settled to
1350 degrees F. and stayed there. At full throttle, oil temperature
finally reached my alarm set point of 250 degrees and the light came on,
so I backed off to 120 mph and the oil temp settled to 240 degrees F.
Cylinder head and coolant temps were 204 degrees F. Ambient air was
78-degrees F, which is hot for this time of year, but I was pleased that
the EGTs were lower with this 178 main jet. At a cruise airspeed of 120
mph, an exhaust gas temp of 1325 degrees F was a definite improvement.
Despite a slight loss of top end rpm, I'm really happy with the 601 and
Stratus Subaru at this point in time. Ram Performance said 1350 was a
good target EGT temp and Stratus said that 1500 would be a good max
EGT. So I think this 178 main jet will stay on and I'll continue to
watch it as the season changes.
The tower broke my focus with a warning for possible thunderclouds, rain
and severe convective in the area. Recalling last night's local
tornados, I immediately turned around and headed back under a much
darker set of clouds and a thick haze at 3000 feet. My landing was real
good and I used 23 to return to the hangars with 55 minutes on the
clock. With three quarters of the fuel used up, I'll probably drain the
rest and prepare for paint.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dremel cutting bits... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com
Allen, While I find a Dremel useful, I don't use a cutting bit. I use a
Dremel thin fiber cut-off wheel. For interior cuts, I usually drill corner holes
with a UniBit and just cut along lines between holes. It's kinda' slow, but
it works for me!
Jay Bannister
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| Subject: | West Coast Sun-N-Fun BBQ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
How about the first week of July and we'll call it Arlington !!! I'll be
there but someone else needs to do the BBQ.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Ricks
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
<allenricks@verizon.net>
Yes...
Could you have it (I mean the whole sun and fun) on the West coast next
year?
Allen
Do not archive
Hi Guys & Gals
We got back to Ontario alright, but I came back to no internet access
due to a server crash. Never fun. But I'm back online and would like to
know how everyone enjoyed the Sun-N-Fun BBQ? Anything you would like to
see changed?
cdngoose
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