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1. 07:34 AM - Building Sequence (Debo Cox)
2. 08:47 AM - Re: Building Sequence (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
3. 11:43 AM - Remove from list (Leo Corbalis)
4. 02:07 PM - Re: Location for the NACA cockpit vent? (Gig Giacona)
5. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: Location for the NACA cockpit vent? (Trevor Page)
6. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: Location for the NACA cockpit vent? (Craig Payne)
7. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Location for the NACA cockpit vent? (LarryMcFarland)
8. 04:39 PM - Rubber o-ring on the quick drain fuel fitting supplied by Zenith (Eddie Seve)
9. 05:15 PM - Re: Rubber o-ring on the quick drain fuel fitting supplied by Ze (Tim Juhl)
10. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Location for the NACA cockpit vent? (Trevor Page)
11. 07:22 PM - (OT) Moving to Orlando? (Richard T. Perry)
12. 07:22 PM - (OT) Moving to Orlando? (Richard T. Perry)
13. 07:55 PM - Murphy's law did not apply (Michel Therrien)
14. 08:15 PM - Re: Murphy's law did not apply (JohnDRead@aol.com)
15. 08:20 PM - Re: Murphy's law did not apply (JohnDRead@AOL.COM)
16. 08:27 PM - Re: Murphy's law did not apply (N5SL)
17. 09:14 PM - Corvair engine failure (ROBERT SCEPPA)
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| Subject: | Building Sequence |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>
Hi guys,
I'm just finishing up the horizontal stabilizer and elevator on the HD, and wanted
to ask a couple of quick questions from those who've been there.
a. In terms of building sequence, what assembly should I start next? From what
I read, probably the outboard wings, but I'm always open to ideas from real-world
experience.
b. From here on, it looks like the photo manuals get pretty sparse. I'm fine
just using the plans and the "work reports", but I've actually found the photo
guides to be a nice check-your-work kinda thing. Is there one for the HD, or
would it be worth my while to get the XL version on CD?
Thanks in advance for your answers. This list has given me a lot of information and confidence during the first stages of this project. If you get bored, check out www.mykitlog.com/debo for the whole story.
Debo Cox
Do not archive
"A camel is a racehorse designed by a committee."
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| Subject: | Building Sequence |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Ailerons and outboard wings are the next (if somewhat tedious) easiest
parts...I actually started the whole kit at this point.
Once you have the wings done the rest will be well within your
capabilities and you will be glad when you have gotten to firewall
forward.
Frank
HDS 395 hours
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Debo Cox
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:27 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Building Sequence
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>
Hi guys,
I'm just finishing up the horizontal stabilizer and elevator on the
HD, and wanted to ask a couple of quick questions from those who've been
there.
a. In terms of building sequence, what assembly should I start next?
>From what I read, probably the outboard wings, but I'm always open to
ideas from real-world experience.
b. From here on, it looks like the photo manuals get pretty sparse.
I'm fine just using the plans and the "work reports", but I've actually
found the photo guides to be a nice check-your-work kinda thing. Is
there one for the HD, or would it be worth my while to get the XL
version on CD?
Thanks in advance for your answers. This list has given me a lot of
information and confidence during the first stages of this project. If
you get bored, check out www.mykitlog.com/debo for the whole story.
Debo Cox
Do not archive
"A camel is a racehorse designed by a committee."
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| Subject: | Remove from list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Please remove this account from your list. Recipient is deceased.
Thank you
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| Subject: | Re: Location for the NACA cockpit vent? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Since we're on the subject of the NACA vent does anybody have a template for the
cutout for the one that Zenith supplies?
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W.R. Gig Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28984#28984
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| Subject: | Re: Location for the NACA cockpit vent? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
GIg, here you go!
http://www.zenithair.com/pdf-doc/airvent-601.pdf
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
On Apr 17, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Gig Giacona wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
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> Since we're on the subject of the NACA vent does anybody have a
> template for the cutout for the one that Zenith supplies?
>
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> W.R. Gig Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28984#28984
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| Subject: | Re: Location for the NACA cockpit vent? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
That outline is for when you build your own ducting out of metal. If you
have the factory-supplied plastic ones make sure the outlines match.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Trevor Page
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Location for the NACA cockpit vent?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
GIg, here you go!
http://www.zenithair.com/pdf-doc/airvent-601.pdf
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
On Apr 17, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Gig Giacona wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
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> Since we're on the subject of the NACA vent does anybody have a
> template for the cutout for the one that Zenith supplies?
>
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> W.R. Gig Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28984#28984
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| Subject: | Re: Location for the NACA cockpit vent? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Gig,
I see the drawing was posted for the Zenith NACA vent. You can take it
just a step or so further to an inexpensive
directable air vent from a car as seen in the links below.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/NACAvent.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/outletventright.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/NACAvent.gif
Pivots both ways and works like a charm. In the cold winter months, I
put a piece of
foam in the rear of the NACA vent opening to seal it completely.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Gig Giacona wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
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>Since we're on the subject of the NACA vent does anybody have a template for the
cutout for the one that Zenith supplies?
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>W.R. Gig Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Rubber o-ring on the quick drain fuel fitting supplied by |
Zenith
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi all,
I noticed that after fitting the fuel level sender to my right wing tank
and then sloshing the tank out with preium unleaded pertol to removed
dust etc. that the small o-ring on the fuel quick drain in the bottom of
the fuel tank had expanded in size and no longer provided a good seal,
in fact it looked like it would slide off completely if left alone, I
removed it and after a few hours it returned to its correct size. I was
under the impression that this should have been safe to use for MOGAS or
AVGAS, has anyone else had this problem, or do I need to install a
different type of o-ring.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Best Regards,
Eddie Seve
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| Subject: | Re: Rubber o-ring on the quick drain fuel fitting supplied |
by Ze
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
My guess is the mogas may have contained alcohol.
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - awaiting kit
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| Subject: | Re: Location for the NACA cockpit vent? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Gig, I actually opted for the Vans kit which gives you the eyeball
vents, hoses and NACA ducts. Total was about $60 for both sides and
worked out really good. Glad I did, it gets very hot under that
canopy and the eyeball vents make it very easy to control
temperatures when flying.
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
On Apr 17, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Gig Giacona wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>
> Since we're on the subject of the NACA vent does anybody have a
> template for the cutout for the one that Zenith supplies?
>
> --------
> W.R. Gig Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28984#28984
>
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| Subject: | (OT) Moving to Orlando? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
Folks - I've recently accepted a position working in Orlando, FL. I'd love
to talk to anyone who lives in the area about both the city in general and
the GA/homebuilding "scene" in particular. Particularly, I'd be interested
in finding a GA airport in the area with reasonable hangar space/costs (so I
can finally start the aircraft project I've been planning now for some
years.)
Please contact me off the list if you have any comments - I'd love to hear
them!
Do not archive, please.
Regards,
Richard T. Perry perryrt@hotmail.com
"Fraser, there's a guy on my corner who asks me every
morning if I've seen God; do you really think he
expects me to point Him out?"
"Well, you know, Ray, if you did, perhaps he'd stop
asking."
Ray Vecchio and Benton Fraser, "Hawk and a Handsaw", Due_South
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| Subject: | (OT) Moving to Orlando? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
Folks - I've recently accepted a position working in Orlando, FL. I'd love
to talk to anyone who lives in the area about both the city in general and
the GA/homebuilding "scene" in particular. Particularly, I'd be interested
in finding a GA airport in the area with reasonable hangar space/costs (so I
can finally start the aircraft project I've been planning now for some
years.)
Please contact me off the list if you have any comments - I'd love to hear
them!
Do not archive, please.
Regards,
Richard T. Perry perryrt@hotmail.com
"Fraser, there's a guy on my corner who asks me every
morning if I've seen God; do you really think he
expects me to point Him out?"
"Well, you know, Ray, if you did, perhaps he'd stop
asking."
Ray Vecchio and Benton Fraser, "Hawk and a Handsaw", Due_South
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| Subject: | Murphy's law did not apply |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Hello group!
Well, this evening, I've been lucky with some bad luck
(or more precisely, bad design).
After dinner, I decided to go flying at sunset. I
departed CSB3 at 19h30EAT and went to Mascouche
(CSK3). Then, I took position to depart from runway
11. Several seconds after applying full throttle, the
engine came back to idle and the throttle lever was
non effective. The plane started to decelerate on the
runway.
I parked it at the end of the runway, removed the
cowling and quickly noticed that my throttle lever was
disassembled. When I modified the carburetor, I cut
down the throttle lever and made a plate what would
accomodate the throttle push rod I'm using. This
plate is (or was) attached to the Carburetor throttle
arm with two A5 Avex rivets.
The plane flew more than 200 hours before the rivets
failed ant the plate detached from the throttle arm!
Should Murphy have made this happen 10 seconds later,
I,would have been in deep s..t (there are no good
options for emergency landings during a moment after
take off on that runway). But the law did not apply
and I simply had a good workout pulling the plane to a
hangar I have access to (which was near the other end
of the runway).
Here are some pictures showing that plate:
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/DCP02135.JPG
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/DCP02158.JPG
This being said, I would suggest looking at any
situation where a couple of rivets hold a critical
part that is subject to constant stress and vibration.
These two rivets will be replaced with two AN3 bolts
and lock nuts in the next few days!
Michel :-)
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: Murphy's law did not apply |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JohnDRead@aol.com
Hi Michel:
Were the rivets steel or aluminum?
John (soon to start building a CH710)
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| Subject: | Re: Murphy's law did not apply |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JohnDRead@aol.com
Hi Michel:
I took look at your pictures. Why did you not weld the
modified bracket as opposed to rivets?
John
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| Subject: | Re: Murphy's law did not apply |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Michel that is very timely news! A few days ago I
made a similar installation on my throttle where I
installed two rivets - then, the day after I installed
it, I drilled them out and installed AN3 bolts because
it didn't feel right after sleeping on it!
It's good to hear you got a break on that one!
Scott Laughlin
--- Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien
> <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello group!
>
> Well, this evening, I've been lucky with some bad
> luck
> (or more precisely, bad design).
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| Subject: | Corvair engine failure |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> Hello all, one of my chapter members had just
> recently test flew his KR-2 with a Corvair engine
> installed. Some of us suggested to him that he
should
> practice flying with a Citabria and only fly it off
> the runway about a couple of feet off and then land
> it to assure that he had practice the art of making
> an emergency landing to avoid any mishaps, however
> he didn't do that. That was last Monday. On Tuesday
> morning he had taken off with an observer on the
> ground to watch. On take off the observer noticed
> that the plane had not climbed to its appropiate
> altitude and had run out of runway. The plane had
> only reached an altitude of 200 or 300 feet and the
> pilot had slowly but gently made a turn losing
> altitude but maintianed enough altitude to put it in
> the treetops. The plane was completely destroyed but
> the pilot walked away with a bump on his nose and a
> couple of black eyes from his sun glasses. He was
> extremely lucky. We don't know why the engine had
> only partial power. It was checked out numerous
> times according to the owner/pilot.
> The report here is not to say that the Corvair
engine
> is in question. An engine failure on takeoff could
> very well happen to any aircraft, be it Cessna,
Piper
> or homebuilt. This incident only tells us to be on
> our toes when we test fly our planes for the first
> time. The pilot was interviewed on the local TV
> station. His comments were that he kept his cool and
> tried to keep the plane flying, he never panicked
> and avoided hitting any houses or persons. Bob S.
> Do not archive
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