---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/22/06: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:38 AM - Re: Re:701-Mounting Slats (Tommy Walker) 2. 07:07 AM - Re: What to do about stripped canopy screw holes? (LarryMcFarland) 3. 07:41 AM - Re: Wing Skins (N5SL) 4. 08:16 AM - Re: What to do about stripped canopy screw holes? (Jerry Latimer) 5. 08:40 AM - Re: Wing Skins (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 6. 08:47 AM - Re: What to do about stripped canopy screw holes? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 7. 09:39 AM - Re: What to do about stripped canopy screw holes? (Bob Miller) 8. 10:28 AM - Re: What to do about stripped canopy screw holes? (Leo Gates) 9. 10:55 AM - Parts for sale. (Richard Vetterli) 10. 12:11 PM - Cont. 0200 and engine mout for sale (Leo Gates) 11. 12:30 PM - Re: Cont. 0200 and engine mout for sale (Aaron Gustafson) 12. 02:42 PM - 701 Header tank installation (Geoff Heap) 13. 03:52 PM - Re: 701 Header tank installation (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?=) 14. 05:32 PM - Re: 701 Header tank installation (LarryMcFarland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:10 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:701-Mounting Slats --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" Also, isn't the distance for the top edge 14-18 mm, not 16-18? I was really concerned about that 16 mm. distance. So much so that I drove out of my way on a trip to Ft. Leavenworth, KS to stop by the factory and check out the demo. I slipped my finger through the edge and started sliding it from the tip toward the root of the wing. The edge distance on the demo fluctuated quite a bit. I thought that it should be a smooth 16 mm gap with no deviation. So, for what it's worth, the slat edge distance is not consistent from one end to the other. Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive Doug, If you lift up slightly at the bottom(or better, slide slat up from bottom a little), the gap will close at the top slightly and bring it in spec.. The wing nose skin slightly bulges out on the bottom where it bends around the nose ribs. This slightly moves the jig on the bottom lower than shown on the plans. Look at how the brackets on the slats and the wing come together at all 4 points. There is a natural fit to these. If the slat brackets look like they are sitting alot lower than the wing brackets this is due to you trying to align the slat grounded to the jig. This will work on their drawing but in reality I found it will not work. The drawing is basically showing that if you set the wing on a table with the slat attached, the slat edge will touch the table. In reality the slat edge will sit slightly higher than the bottom surface of the wing. I got 18 mm between the top of wing and slat. Do not cut your brackets or reposition holes. I did round off the top as you did a lso. You used separately made jigs to carefully position these brackets on the slat ribs and the wing nose ribs. They should line up pretty close in the final assembly. Brian 701 Long Island, NY ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:45 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What to do about stripped canopy screw holes? --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Craig, I would suggest drilling clear thru so you can use a screw long enough to go thru the opposite side. Then stub the pointed end so you don't get caught on it. If that isn't good, go with a recessed head machine screw and cap-nut the screw as it comes out the other side. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Craig Payne wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > >Some of the holes in my canopy frame for the screws holding the bubble are >stripped. Is there a good fix? > >-- Craig > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:11 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Skins --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Paul: If you cleco the inside of your wingskin, then rivet the other side, you will have no way to remove the clecos. You should cleco the skin on the outside, turn the wing over and use some sort of spacers (2x2's or metal beams) so the clecos don't hit the table, then rivet the side that is up. In the case described below, the bottom is riveted first so the clecos should be on the outside of the top skin with the wing resting on spacers. The assembly manual available on the ZAC builder's page is pretty clear on this. Some of the questions I read on this list lead me to believe not everyone knows about the updated assembly manuals. ZAC will give you the password if you call them in Mexico, MO. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Wiring my yoke --- Paul Mulwitz wrote: > I guess I am confused by this question. > Paul > XL wings. > At 02:56 PM 4/21/2006, you wrote: > >This might be a stupid question, but when you turn > over the wings > >and cleco top skin on the inside. > >Then turn over and do the bottom skin when you go > to rivet bottom > >skin on skeleton, how do you remove the clecos from > >the inside on the top skin. > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:57 AM PST US From: "Jerry Latimer" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: What to do about stripped canopy screw holes? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jerry Latimer" Graig, You might try the next larger size screw on the stripped out holes. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: Zenith-List: What to do about stripped canopy screw holes? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Some of the holes in my canopy frame for the screws holding the bubble are stripped. Is there a good fix? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:25 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Skins --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Mel, all of us that have built the wings know the issue and there are probably as many ways to resolve it as XLs out there. What I did was build the wing on top of two 12 foot steel I-beams that I mounted semi permeant on my 12x4 building table. I got them level with a digital level and each time I flipped the wings it took two folks and we lifted high enough to clear the bottom inverted clecos and re set so the clecos cleared the beams. I built the whole wing without riveting until all skins and holes were ready. Then I riveted the bottom (minus flap attachment area where I inserted clecos up side down), top skin, then nose skin, then tip. I'm sure it can be accomplished other ways, but the beams assured everything was square and plum. best regards, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:16 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What to do about stripped canopy screw holes? --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Craig, I don't know if this is the "approved' method, but I did one by putting JB Weld in the hole and a little on the threads of the screw and re screwed until it was set. Now I have not removed that screw so I am not sure I can, but expect I won't have to unless the canopy has to be replaced then the screw will be the least of worries. Best of luck, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:42 AM PST US From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What to do about stripped canopy screw holes? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" If you use JBWeld, just wrap a single layer of plumber's Teflon tape around the screw before inserting, tight so the threads are defined thru the tape. You can then pack the JBWeld into the covered threads and put it into the hole. I once made a bolt hole in a rock this way, and it held strong! Bob BTW Bill, great meeting you at the BBQ. I still chuckle at the story about the fuel flood! On 4/22/06, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > > Craig, I don't know if this is the "approved' method, but I did one by > putting JB Weld in the hole and a little on the threads of the screw and re screwed > until it was set. Now I have not removed that screw so I am not sure I can, > but expect I won't have to unless the canopy has to be replaced then the screw > will be the least of worries. Best of luck, Bill of Georgia > > -- Bob Miller 601HD N722Z Charlottesville, Virginia ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:08 AM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What to do about stripped canopy screw holes? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates Craig, If you go the JB Weld route, just put some Vaseline on the screw threads. The JB Weld will not stick to the threads then and will make perfect threaded holes. IMHO the Teflon tape method will work, but more work. Leo Gates N601Z Craig Payne wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > >Some of the holes in my canopy frame for the screws holding the bubble are >stripped. Is there a good fix? > >-- Craig > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:54 AM PST US From: Richard Vetterli Subject: Zenith-List: Parts for sale. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli For sale, both brand new in the box as received from Aircraft Spruce. #1 - Airspeed Indicator, Falcon, ASI160M-3, P/N 10-02917, 3, 0-160. List for $114.95, will let it go for $90.00. #2 - Altitude Encoder, Ameri-King, AK-350. Lists for $149.95, will sell for $120.00. Check out details at ASS. E-mail me off-line if interested. First offer gets them and Ill pay shipping. Rich Vetterli ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:35 PM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Zenith-List: Cont. 0200 and engine mout for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates List, Someone posted a message recently offering a Cont. 0200 and engine mout for a 701. If still available, I have a friend interested. Please e-mail me with details. Leo Gates N601Z Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:17 PM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cont. 0200 and engine mout for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron Gustafson" I also am looking for a 0-200 engine. I bought a mount about a month ago. Aaron do not archive > Someone posted a message recently offering a Cont. 0200 and engine mout > for a 701. If still available ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:39 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Header tank installation From: "Geoff Heap" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" Guys. I could use help with installing my header tank. I originally started from plans only in 1991 and at that time the wing tank size was much smaller than at present. They hold a total of about 14 gallon. My wings were finished years ago and I don't feel like ripping them apart so I got ZAC to build me a half size "D" tank that holds about 6 gallon. Problem is the new plans don't consider a header tank behind the panel. If anyone has seen plans from 1991 ......well they leave a lot to be desired. I would appreciate photos from anyone who has fitted a header. Come Monday I'll give ZAC a call to see if the have anything better. Would appreciate comments/opinions on the sight glass versus a gage. Thanks to all......Geoff. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=30077#30077 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:37 PM PST US From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?= Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Header tank installation --> Zenith-List message posted by: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?= Hello Geoff. I installed a D header tank and had help with removing the filler cap. Then I installed a vent that extends up to the right wing around the hight of the wing tank. No gauges in the wing tanks but only in the D tank. I never liked the sight glass system. Installed the VDO fuel level sensor and am using the Stratomaster EM2 gauge for instruments. Also installed the fuel flow system which is very nice to have. Tells me exactly how much time I have of fuel or how many miles to fly base on the Rotax 912 fuel consumptions and the present rpm. I have one fuel pump located behind the seats which I use to transfere fuel from the wing tank to the header tank. I can see when the fuel is out in the wing tanks by a clear tubes from the wings to the fuel shut of valve located on the flaperon rod cover behind the pax/pilots head. I can send you some pictues of this setup. Look under Zenith, fuselage page 6. There you will see my tank installation. See my homepage: www.gi.is/fis If you need more pictues, please let me know. I am very happy with this installation. Regards, Johann G. Iceland. Z701/Joeing701 Geoff Heap wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" > >Guys. I could use help with installing my header tank. I originally started from plans only in 1991 and at that time the wing tank size was much smaller than at present. They hold a total of about 14 gallon. My wings were finished years ago and I don't feel like ripping them apart so I got ZAC to build me a half size "D" tank that holds about 6 gallon. Problem is the new plans don't consider a header tank behind the panel. If anyone has seen plans from 1991 ......well they leave a lot to be desired. I would appreciate photos from anyone who has fitted a header. Come Monday I'll give ZAC a call to see if the have anything better. > Would appreciate comments/opinions on the sight glass versus a gage. > Thanks to all......Geoff. > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:09 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Header tank installation --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Geoff, You might be interested in the Header Tank page on my site, www.macsmachine.com. The page is a descriptive of the installation from making the tank to all views for supporting it before the skins were on the plane. My header is only about 9-gallons, but the principal is the same. If you need other info, just ask. Larry McFarland - 601HDS Geoff Heap wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" > >Guys. I could use help with installing my header tank. I originally started from plans only in 1991 and at that time the wing tank size was much smaller than at present. They hold a total of about 14 gallon. My wings were finished years ago and I don't feel like ripping them apart so I got ZAC to build me a half size "D" tank that holds about 6 gallon. Problem is the new plans don't consider a header tank behind the panel. If anyone has seen plans from 1991 ......well they leave a lot to be desired. I would appreciate photos from anyone who has fitted a header. Come Monday I'll give ZAC a call to see if the have anything better. > Would appreciate comments/opinions on the sight glass versus a gage. > Thanks to all......Geoff. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=30077#30077 > > > > > > > > >