---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/27/06: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:39 AM - Re: edge former (Bob Miller) 2. 05:59 AM - Re: 912 oil "thermostat" (Jim Hoak) 3. 06:41 AM - Re: New to the list (Jari Kaija) 4. 06:59 AM - Re: New to the list (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 5. 08:04 AM - Re: edge former (doug kandle) 6. 09:15 AM - rivet gun tips (alex trent) 7. 10:54 AM - Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 (Robert L. Stone) 8. 11:13 AM - Re: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 (Dave Johnson) 9. 11:14 AM - Re: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 10. 11:16 AM - Re: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 11. 11:21 AM - Re: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 (Paul Moore) 12. 11:34 AM - Re: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 13. 02:20 PM - Re: First Time Post (Gig Giacona) 14. 02:58 PM - Re: rivet gun tips (Bill Naumuk) 15. 03:03 PM - Re: rivet gun tips (Bill Naumuk) 16. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: First Time Post (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 17. 08:09 PM - Re: Older designs info (Jim and Lucy) 18. 09:27 PM - Re: edge former (Tim Juhl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:48 AM PST US From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: edge former --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" I made a perfectly acceptable edge-former out of those nylon spacers sold in hardware stores. I got a pair of spacers about 1/4 inch thick and about 7/8 diameter with a 3/8 hole through the middle. Put another 3/8 ID spacer in the hole as a bushing, then using a washer to hold the 7/8 piece, screw through the bushing into a piece of wood with some aluminum behind it so the edge of your skin will slide nice. Really just a few minutes of work and it does a fine job. Bob On 4/25/06, George Swinford wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" > > In response to Mike Miller's question on sheet metal edge treatment and Frank Hinde's response, the "wheel thingy" Frank referred to is an "edge former", available for $39 from Cleaveland Tool (cat. no.EF60). It does a great job and the riveted joints look very professional. You can get a similar result on a straight edged part by letting the part hang over the edge of a worktable by about 1/4 inch and gently tapping the overhanging edge along it's length with a rubber mallet. This takes practice to get a really good looking result and it doesn't work so well on curved parts. I've tried both ways and I recommend the $39 tool. > > George > > -- Bob Miller 601HD N722Z Charlottesville, Virginia ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:47 AM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912 oil "thermostat" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" Zed, I would suggest you talk with Phil, Kerry or Shane at Lockwood Aviation in Fl. Phil has talked about the oil system thermostat at his open forums at Sun N Fun and Oshkosh. I believe it is also a bypass valve for cold weather starts. I don't have one one my Rotax 912 UL (80hp) but I do have a couple of cover plates that I can quickly remove/install on my Rotax oil cooler. My usual problem is low oil temp! do not archive Jim Hoak 601HD 507 hrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zed Smith" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 912 oil "thermostat" > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith > > List, > > A Rotax "Service Letter" (SL-912-011) mentions use of a thermostat in the > lubrication system of the 912. > Goes on to say that Rotax doesn't supply this item, not much other info > other than the usual disclaimers about possible mis-translation from the > original German into gud 'ol boy English. > > Anybody seen this, using this, etc? Seems it might hasten the warm-up > but I'm wondering how continued circulation/pressure might be maintained > while waiting for the thermostat to "open". Any comments, Gents? > Any source specifically tailored for the 912? > > Regards & thanks > > Zed/701/R912/etc/etc/do not archive/death to fire ants! > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:40 AM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New to the list --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > Don't forget a funky verturi tube. I plan on putting one on my 701 with > gyro instruments to keep me out of trouble with the loss of horizon. > Robert How about this one :-) http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_electric/electric.php http://www.project-ch701.net/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New to the list From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" That's quite a setup....:) Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jari Kaija Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:39 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New to the list --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > Don't forget a funky verturi tube. I plan on putting one on my 701 > with gyro instruments to keep me out of trouble with the loss of horizon. > Robert How about this one :-) http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_electric/electric.php http://www.project-ch701.net/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:24 AM PST US From: doug kandle Subject: Re: Zenith-List: edge former --> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle I've got a similar tool, but it doesn't work on curved parts like inspection covers (which is the only place I really need it). Does anyone know how to create that edge on inspection plate covers? At 05:33 AM 4/27/2006, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" > > > > In response to Mike Miller's question on sheet metal edge > treatment and Frank Hinde's response, the "wheel thingy" Frank > referred to is an "edge former", available for $39 from Cleaveland > Tool (cat. no.EF60). ... it doesn't work so well on curved parts. > > > > George > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:47 AM PST US From: alex trent Subject: Zenith-List: rivet gun tips --> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Enco rivet gun on sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com I don't know that I got it exactly right, but close enough for me. I have ground four of them for different rivet pullers. I just heated up the nose piece to a cherry red and let it cool. Then it can be ground with any number of tools. I have used a Dremel with both round cutting heads and round grinding heads. I think the metal ones give a smoother result. Jay in Dallas - 601XL half done with second wing. do not archive /No need for heat if you use the round nose fine grit grind stone, does an excellent job. alex / ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:48 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Zenith-List: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" Do any of you guys know what the horizontal and vertical dementions = of the Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 is. I looked at their web site and = supporting links and don't see any e-mail address listed to get in touch = with them for questions that are not on the FAQ list. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:25 AM PST US From: "Dave Johnson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Johnson" Try:- www.dynonavionics.com/downloads/FlightDEK-D180.PDF This is a PDF file giving the full outline drawing and dimensions. Dave Johnson do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Stone" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" > > Do any of you guys know what the horizontal and vertical dementions = > of the Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 is. I looked at their web site and = > supporting links and don't see any e-mail address listed to get in touch = > with them for questions that are not on the FAQ list. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:40 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Ahh..Dynon....Thats more like it...:) It should be on the downloadable documentation...At least it was for the other units. Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" --> Do any of you guys know what the horizontal and vertical dementions = of the Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 is. I looked at their web site and = supporting links and don't see any e-mail address listed to get in touch = with them for questions that are not on the FAQ list. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:45 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Here you go Frank http://dynonavionics.com/downloads/FlightDEK-D180.PDF -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" --> Do any of you guys know what the horizontal and vertical dementions = of the Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 is. I looked at their web site and = supporting links and don't see any e-mail address listed to get in touch = with them for questions that are not on the FAQ list. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:51 AM PST US From: "Paul Moore" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" info@dynonavionics.com - from their FAQ page. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Stone" .. don't see any e-mail address listed.......... ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:31 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon Avionics FlightDEK 180 --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Thread Friends, at SnF Pete from Jab mentioned a type/brand of monitor system that had problems with the Jab electric system, gave a bunch of incorrect readings and no one could figure out why. I wasn't paying much attention so I missed the brand name of the system, but before planning and buying, if going Jab, the prudent builder would contact him and see which system it was and if the bug had been resolved, FWIW, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:04 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First Time Post From: "Gig Giacona" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" Welcome to the list and the land of Zenith builders. I only have one thing to say about your web cam. You are going to need a bigger table. Well, actually 2 things. Don't turn on the audio or the site WILL get rated "R" for language. Afterfxllc(at)aol.com wrote: > Hi all > > I am just finishing my tail feathers and will be starting the wings in a day > or 2....I also wanted everyone to know I will have my web cam on most of the > time thru out the build. > The address is: _www.ftpbandit.ww.com_ (http://www.ftpbandit.ww.com) I will > also have my yahoo open if you care to chat...However I will have limited > chat time (if any) lol due to the fact it will cut into my build time. > > Blue Skies > Jeff -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31196#31196 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:00 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: rivet gun tips --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex trent" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: Zenith-List: rivet gun tips > --> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent > > From: Jaybannist@cs.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Enco rivet gun on sale > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com > > I don't know that I got it exactly right, but close enough for me. I have > ground four of them for different rivet pullers. I just heated up the nose > piece > > to a cherry red and let it cool. Then it can be ground with any number of > tools. I have used a Dremel with both round cutting heads and round > grinding > heads. I think the metal ones give a smoother result. > > Jay in Dallas - 601XL half done with second wing. > > do not archive > > /No need for heat if you use the round nose fine grit grind stone, does an > excellent job. > alex > / > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:16 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: rivet gun tips --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex trent" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: Zenith-List: rivet gun tips I took a totally different approach. Bought a carbide ball mill from a local machine shop supply house for $10.50 and used my drill press. Bill > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:13 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: First Time Post --> Zenith-List message posted by: Afterfxllc@aol.com Table in the planning stages....as soon as I sell my boat and get rid of the extra junk in the garage I will have the room for it. As for the language I have built a Vans RV and compared to that this is a Rated G language Build LOL Jeff ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:05 PM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Older designs info --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy At 06:29 AM 4/26/2006, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" > >I am interested in info on the older designs from Chris Hientz. The CH200 >and CH300. Does the factory still provide support etc for these machines? Do >they have any vices or known issues? > This does not answer any of your questions but on the yahoo group called zenithkitaircraft in the files section there are some old handouts of many of the different models from before the ch601 series came along. You will need to register with the site to see them. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zenithkitaircraft/files/ Jim Pollard ch601hds ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:10 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: edge former From: "Tim Juhl" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" I attended an EAA workshop on sheet metal work last weekend. One method I learned for forming the edge for a inspection cover is to make a wooden form with the same outside dimensions as the cover. Next, use a file or a sander of some kind to put a bevel or rounded edge on the wood form. Clamp your cover on the form and then go around the edge with a rubber mallet or plastic hammer and tap the aluminum into the desired contour. -------- CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - awaiting kit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31267#31267