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1. 04:54 AM - Re: Thanks for all your ideas on cutting Aluminum (Jari Kaija)
2. 05:42 AM - Re: Thanks for all your ideas on cutting Aluminum (N5SL)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: Thanks for all your ideas on cutting Aluminum (Hunt Malcolm)
4. 07:01 AM - Re: Zenith-List Edge former (for curved pieces and inspection plates...) (Condon, Philip M.)
5. 07:16 AM - 801 Wallpaper (Gary Craze)
6. 07:27 AM - first flight (Steve Shuck)
7. 07:51 AM - Re: 801 Wallpaper (Dave Ruddiman)
8. 08:20 AM - Re: Thanks for all your ideas on cutting Aluminum (Doug Sire)
9. 09:23 AM - Re: 801 Wallpaper (Matt Dralle)
10. 05:04 PM - anti-fatigue (Richard Vetterli)
11. 05:40 PM - Re: anti-fatigue (Paul Mulwitz)
12. 05:47 PM - Re: anti-fatigue (NYTerminat@aol.com)
13. 06:29 PM - Re: first flight (Ron Lendon)
14. 06:40 PM - Re: anti-fatigue (Randy Bryant)
15. 09:05 PM - Re: anti-fatigue (Stanley Challgren)
16. 10:29 PM - worst landing of my life (Jack Russell)
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks for all your ideas on cutting Aluminum |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
Just wondering. Do you guys ever TRY to use JUST a good
"Kitchen scissors". Works better than great with .016 aluminium ;-)
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/big_wingf100.jpg
I don't know about u-state, but in here, in Finland we have a
good factory, what produces sharp and strong scissors. Called
"Fiskars" :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks for all your ideas on cutting Aluminum |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Here in the U-States we have a store called Wal-Mart
that sells Fiskers and all sorts of foreign-made
goods.
Scott (Do Not Archive) Laughlin
--- Jari Kaija <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
> I don't know about u-state, but in here, in Finland
> we have a good factory, what produces sharp and
strong scissors. Called
> "Fiskars" :-)
>
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| Subject: | Thanks for all your ideas on cutting Aluminum |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
Jari
May work great but don't get caught using the wife's scissors.
Best Wishes
Malcolm
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jari Kaija
Sent: 28 April 2006 12:49
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Thanks for all your ideas on cutting Aluminum
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
Just wondering. Do you guys ever TRY to use JUST a good
"Kitchen scissors". Works better than great with .016 aluminium ;-)
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/big_wingf100.jpg
I don't know about u-state, but in here, in Finland we have a
good factory, what produces sharp and strong scissors. Called
"Fiskars" :-)
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List Edge former (for curved pieces and inspection |
plates...)
Cc: <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
I have made wooden dies that allow you to put a slight edge bend on
circular pieces of
Aluminum. Its quite easy and requires little time and makes a factory
looking finished piece.
Trace out the finished piece of aluminum you want the bent edge applied
to...onto a piece of scrap wood.
Cut out the pattern a 1/8 smaller. Make two of them. I then place the
inspection cover as a sandwich (wood, aluminum wood) in a vice and roll
the edge with a piece of hard wood. I actually make my aluminum cover
place about a 1/16 inch larger in circumference then do this treatment
to the inspection plate.
I also have made squish dies with a router that you squeeze and put
edges on with. Route a female pattern into some scrap wood and make a
mail plug to press into the female mold. You can be sloppy with these
molds and get outstanding finished pieces form them
.......................................................................
.........
I've got a similar tool, but it doesn't work on curved parts like
inspection covers (which is the only place I really need it). Does
anyone know how to create that edge on inspection plate covers?
At 05:33 AM 4/27/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <tutuzulu@gmail.com>
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>
> > In response to Mike Miller's question on sheet metal edge
> treatment and Frank Hinde's response, the "wheel thingy" Frank
> referred to is an "edge former", available for $39 from Cleaveland
> Tool (cat. no.EF60). ... it doesn't work so well on curved parts.
> >
> > George
> >
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
I know some folks in the past were looking for some decent large images of
801s for desktop wallpaper.
I just put a decent sized 801 image from a pic I shot at OSH '05 and cleaned
up with Photoshop on the Yahoo 801 Builders Group under the Photos section.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/801BUILDERS/
rgds,
Gary
N801GC
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Shuck" <stshuck@comcast.net>
This morning Jack and I are going to fly 8830C for it's maiden flight, wish
us luck..
Steve
Fresno, Ca.
Zodiac 601XL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: edge former
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
>
> I attended an EAA workshop on sheet metal work last weekend. One method I
> learned for forming the edge for a inspection cover is to make a wooden
> form with the same outside dimensions as the cover. Next, use a file or a
> sander of some kind to put a bevel or rounded edge on the wood form.
> Clamp your cover on the form and then go around the edge with a rubber
> mallet or plastic hammer and tap the aluminum into the desired contour.
>
> --------
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> Champ L16A flying
> Zodiac XL - awaiting kit
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31267#31267
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Wallpaper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
Gary,
Where is it?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:14 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 801 Wallpaper
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
>
> I know some folks in the past were looking for some decent large images of
> 801s for desktop wallpaper.
>
> I just put a decent sized 801 image from a pic I shot at OSH '05 and
> cleaned
> up with Photoshop on the Yahoo 801 Builders Group under the Photos
> section.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/801BUILDERS/
>
> rgds,
> Gary
> N801GC
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Thanks for all your ideas on cutting Aluminum |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
I once bought an Uffda knife at a Norwegian craft show. Would that work?
Doug Sire
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Wallpaper |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Gary,
Send it to photoshare@matronics.com and I will put it in the Zenith-List Photoshare.
Matt Dralle
Matornics List Admin.
At 07:14 AM 4/28/2006 Friday, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
>
>I know some folks in the past were looking for some decent large images of
>801s for desktop wallpaper.
>
>I just put a decent sized 801 image from a pic I shot at OSH '05 and cleaned
>up with Photoshop on the Yahoo 801 Builders Group under the Photos section.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
A little off topic, but my feet and lower back are
killing me after working all day standing on the
cement garage floor. Gel innersoles in my shoes
haven't helped. Has anyone tried the rubber
anti-fatigue floor mats? Home depot has them, a
little expensive, but worth it if they work. Thanks
for any advise.
Rich Vetterli
601XL/Corvair
Tail done, working on wings and engine.
Check out my progress at www.geocities.com/stixx5a
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| Subject: | Re: anti-fatigue |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Rich,
I don't think your question is off topic at all.
I use a stool on wheels to sit while I do most of my work. I think I
bought the stool at Office Max or one of the similar stores. My back
is bad enough that standing for any length of time in the same place
always causes me discomfort while sitting is a lot easier. The
rolling stool rolls under my bench to get out of the way in my tight quarters.
I also use a one step step-stool (a one step ladder?) that I bought
for under 10 dollars at home depot to reach things that are higher or
farther from the edge of my bench than are easy to get.
Those two devices make working on my plane a lot easier for me.
Paul
XL wings
At 04:58 PM 4/28/2006, you wrote:
>A little off topic, but my feet and lower back are
>killing me after working all day standing on the
>cement garage floor. Gel innersoles in my shoes
>haven't helped. Has anyone tried the rubber
>anti-fatigue floor mats? Home depot has them, a
>little expensive, but worth it if they work. Thanks
>for any advise.
>Rich Vetterli
>601XL/Corvair
>Tail done, working on wings and engine.
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| Subject: | Re: anti-fatigue |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Yes they do work
Bob Spudis
N701ZX
CH701/912S
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Hope all went well. It's now 9:30 pm esdt. Give us a reoprt.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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| Subject: | Re: anti-fatigue |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
I'm sure they'd be great... Over the past week my thoughts have been on
getting at least 2 of them for both sides of my table... Last week while
cleaning out my garage, I found an old excercise mat made of high density
foam... It was quite dirty and I thought of throwing it away, but decided
just to put it on the floor beside my table... It sure has made a difference
in the way my back and feet feel...
Randy
N344RB
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Vetterli" <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: anti-fatigue
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli
> <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
>
> A little off topic, but my feet and lower back are
> killing me after working all day standing on the
> cement garage floor. Gel innersoles in my shoes
> haven't helped. Has anyone tried the rubber
> anti-fatigue floor mats? Home depot has them, a
> little expensive, but worth it if they work. Thanks
> for any advise.
> Rich Vetterli
> 601XL/Corvair
> Tail done, working on wings and engine.
> Check out my progress at www.geocities.com/stixx5a
>
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Cc: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
| Subject: | Re: anti-fatigue |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
Rich:
I have four of the mats from Home Depot. Regularly spend 4-5 hours
per day on them. They are great. Try them. You will like them.
Stan
701
Building first wing
On Apr 28, 2006, at 5:58 PM, Richard Vetterli wrote:
> Has anyone tried the rubber
> anti-fatigue floor mats?
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| Subject: | worst landing of my life |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Ok Ron: Here is the report. First let me say that 8830c is usable again! My airplane
partner, Steve, and I started out early this morning at Chandler-Fresno
and got the plane all ready to go. I did a couple of high speed taxi tests again
and everything was fine except no one could hear me on the radio. Back to
the hanger to find the problem and started taking off the top skin. 2 hours
later Steve found a loose connector and that seemed to be the problem. Around
noon I took "charlie" to the runway and decided that all was good to go. I decided
this was going to be the real thing and no crow hops. Nerves in check, I
applied full power and by the time I found the airspeed instrument again it was
at 60mph and back I pulled. I gotta tell you that quite a relief came over
me when the little plane started to go where I pointed. By now I was pretty sure
that I was not going to veer off to one side and crash. The climb out was fast!
No heavy left wing felt but really really
pitchy. My plan was to turn crosswind quickly and stay over the airport but by
the time I thought about it I was quite a ways out. Durning the climb my eis
warning light started flashing and I determined that the cause was CHT. The
limit was set to 375 and I was getting close to 400. On downwind I pulled the
power hoping to lower the temp . I had to get the plane on the ground fast! I
did not panic but I really didn't want to fry $15000 for lunch. My plan was to
be able to fly around the pattern several times and get a feel for the plane
before landing. Instead I was going to have to land after only a couple minutes
of flight. Everything was feeling right on base and final until I got over
the fence and I thought I got into turbulence but it got worse. I suspect that
I probably fell into some pilot induced oscillation but it was quite a rollie
pollie ride to the ground. I wanted to give it power and go around but I wasn't
sure that the jabiru would not cook it's heads.
I think the tail tie down finally stopped the oscillation because I did hear it
scrape and then mains planted firm. I have never scraped a tie down in thousands
of landings ,even in my student days, and I got to say that this was the
worst landing of my life. Of course, everybody in the restaurant had to be watching.
Steve told me later that he wasn't worried because he was laughing pretty
hard after watching it. He said it just looked like one of the student pilots
that fly tomahawks out of our airport. After inspection of the plane we found
no damage except for a small scrape on the bottom of the tie down. What a
strong little design Chris has made! How flimsy this thing was sitting on my
bench during construction but it has proven that it can take some abuse.
This next week we will be working on the cooling issue and I can't wait to fly
it again. This time the landing will be like a butterfly with sore feet! Jack
in Los Osos CA
P.s Steve and I would like to thank this list for all of the help that we received
over the last 3 years of building. I have been so busy lately that I haven't
had much time to answer questions of new builders but now it is time to
pay back what we have received. THANK YOU!!
P.s.s. I do have a video from the pilots view which I hope to get posted if I
can figure out how to do it.
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Ron Lendon <rlendon@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon"
Hope all went well. It's now 9:30 pm esdt. Give us a reoprt.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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