---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/29/06: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:33 AM - Re: worst landing of my life (Al Young) 2. 06:54 AM - Re: anti-fatigue (Bill Naumuk) 3. 06:58 AM - Re: anti-fatigue (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 4. 07:42 AM - Re: worst landing of my life (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 5. 08:05 AM - Re: worst landing of my life (Bill Naumuk) 6. 01:20 PM - Re: worst landing of my life (Robert L. Stone) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:57 AM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: worst landing of my life --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" Jack- Great story- Congrats on the first flight!! You and Steve must be very excited. Much luck on all all future flights. Al Young XL-jab ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Russell" Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:24 AM Subject: Zenith-List: worst landing of my life > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell > > Ok Ron: Here is the report. First let me say that 8830c is usable again! > My airplane partner, Steve, and I started out early this morning at > Chandler-Fresno and got the plane all ready to go. I did a couple of high > speed taxi tests again and everything was fine except no one could hear me > on the radio. Back to the hanger to find the problem and started taking > off the top skin. 2 hours later Steve found a loose connector and that > seemed to be the problem. Around noon I took "charlie" to the runway and > decided that all was good to go. I decided this was going to be the real > thing and no crow hops. Nerves in check, I applied full power and by the > time I found the airspeed instrument again it was at 60mph and back I > pulled. I gotta tell you that quite a relief came over me when the little > plane started to go where I pointed. By now I was pretty sure that I was > not going to veer off to one side and crash. The climb out was fast! No > heavy left wing felt but really really > pitchy. My plan was to turn crosswind quickly and stay over the airport > but by the time I thought about it I was quite a ways out. Durning the > climb my eis warning light started flashing and I determined that the > cause was CHT. The limit was set to 375 and I was getting close to 400. > On downwind I pulled the power hoping to lower the temp . I had to get the > plane on the ground fast! I did not panic but I really didn't want to fry > $15000 for lunch. My plan was to be able to fly around the pattern several > times and get a feel for the plane before landing. Instead I was going to > have to land after only a couple minutes of flight. Everything was feeling > right on base and final until I got over the fence and I thought I got > into turbulence but it got worse. I suspect that I probably fell into some > pilot induced oscillation but it was quite a rollie pollie ride to the > ground. I wanted to give it power and go around but I wasn't sure that the > jabiru would not cook it's heads. > I think the tail tie down finally stopped the oscillation because I did > hear it scrape and then mains planted firm. I have never scraped a tie > down in thousands of landings ,even in my student days, and I got to say > that this was the worst landing of my life. Of course, everybody in the > restaurant had to be watching. Steve told me later that he wasn't worried > because he was laughing pretty hard after watching it. He said it just > looked like one of the student pilots that fly tomahawks out of our > airport. After inspection of the plane we found no damage except for a > small scrape on the bottom of the tie down. What a strong little design > Chris has made! How flimsy this thing was sitting on my bench during > construction but it has proven that it can take some abuse. > > This next week we will be working on the cooling issue and I can't wait > to fly it again. This time the landing will be like a butterfly with sore > feet! Jack in Los Osos CA > > P.s Steve and I would like to thank this list for all of the help that > we received over the last 3 years of building. I have been so busy lately > that I haven't had much time to answer questions of new builders but now > it is time to pay back what we have received. THANK YOU!! > > P.s.s. I do have a video from the pilots view which I hope to get posted > if I can figure out how to do it. > do not archive > > Ron Lendon wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" > > Hope all went well. It's now 9:30 pm esdt. Give us a reoprt. > > -------- > Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI > Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31521#31521 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:27 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: anti-fatigue --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" Richard- Not off topic at all- I'm sure we all have the same problem. Rubber mats work- got mine at Big Lots for $20 each (3'x4'). Unfortunately, their stock changes all the time, so the supply is hit and miss. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Vetterli" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: Zenith-List: anti-fatigue > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli > > > A little off topic, but my feet and lower back are > killing me after working all day standing on the > cement garage floor. Gel innersoles in my shoes > haven't helped. Has anyone tried the rubber > anti-fatigue floor mats? Home depot has them, a > little expensive, but worth it if they work. Thanks > for any advise. > Rich Vetterli > 601XL/Corvair > Tail done, working on wings and engine. > Check out my progress at www.geocities.com/stixx5a > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:23 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: anti-fatigue --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Rich, I went to the camping store and bought a barrier matt that you carrier to sleep on when camping. Hard foam about 3x7 and laid it out by the bench to walk and stand on. Really helped and was a ton cheaper than the other, FWIW Bill of Georgia do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:27 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: worst landing of my life --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Jack, we are all very happy to read about your successful first flight and great landing. Those of us that have built and flown really understand. I was not too concerned for my safety I just did not want to bend the plane and I'm sure you were exactly the same. Almost like having a baby. Ha. We look forward to many more success stories from Mr. Chuck. Best regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:13 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: worst landing of my life --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: worst landing of my life Jack- Good to hear about the ruggedness of the design. Probably should have built the taildragger- then you could brag about a 3 point first time out! (Been there, done that!! "Wheelbarrowing" was the pet peeve of my instructor many moons ago- I KNOW I land nose-high, and will keep that in mind.) Bill do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:20:03 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: worst landing of my life --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" Jack, Check your baffling and cooling ducts and I am sure this is where you will find the problem. Just make sure the installation instructions have been followed to the letter. I am building an XL also and no where close to complete but I have a friend who built one and had the same problem you describe and he found on examination the cooling ducts were not properly aligned. When they were properly aligned, the problem disappeared. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Russell" Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:24 AM Subject: Zenith-List: worst landing of my life > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell > > Ok Ron: Here is the report. First let me say that 8830c is usable again! > My airplane partner, Steve, and I started out early this morning at > Chandler-Fresno and got the plane all ready to go. I did a couple of high > speed taxi tests again and everything was fine except no one could hear me > on the radio. Back to the hanger to find the problem and started taking > off the top skin. 2 hours later Steve found a loose connector and that > seemed to be the problem. Around noon I took "charlie" to the runway and > decided that all was good to go. I decided this was going to be the real > thing and no crow hops. Nerves in check, I applied full power and by the > time I found the airspeed instrument again it was at 60mph and back I > pulled. I gotta tell you that quite a relief came over me when the little > plane started to go where I pointed. By now I was pretty sure that I was > not going to veer off to one side and crash. The climb out was fast! No > heavy left wing felt but really really > pitchy. My plan was to turn crosswind quickly and stay over the airport > but by the time I thought about it I was quite a ways out. Durning the > climb my eis warning light started flashing and I determined that the > cause was CHT. The limit was set to 375 and I was getting close to 400. > On downwind I pulled the power hoping to lower the temp . I had to get the > plane on the ground fast! I did not panic but I really didn't want to fry > $15000 for lunch. My plan was to be able to fly around the pattern several > times and get a feel for the plane before landing. Instead I was going to > have to land after only a couple minutes of flight. Everything was feeling > right on base and final until I got over the fence and I thought I got > into turbulence but it got worse. I suspect that I probably fell into some > pilot induced oscillation but it was quite a rollie pollie ride to the > ground. I wanted to give it power and go around but I wasn't sure that the > jabiru would not cook it's heads. > I think the tail tie down finally stopped the oscillation because I did > hear it scrape and then mains planted firm. I have never scraped a tie > down in thousands of landings ,even in my student days, and I got to say > that this was the worst landing of my life. Of course, everybody in the > restaurant had to be watching. Steve told me later that he wasn't worried > because he was laughing pretty hard after watching it. He said it just > looked like one of the student pilots that fly tomahawks out of our > airport. After inspection of the plane we found no damage except for a > small scrape on the bottom of the tie down. What a strong little design > Chris has made! How flimsy this thing was sitting on my bench during > construction but it has proven that it can take some abuse. > > This next week we will be working on the cooling issue and I can't wait > to fly it again. This time the landing will be like a butterfly with sore > feet! Jack in Los Osos CA > > P.s Steve and I would like to thank this list for all of the help that > we received over the last 3 years of building. I have been so busy lately > that I haven't had much time to answer questions of new builders but now > it is time to pay back what we have received. THANK YOU!! > > P.s.s. I do have a video from the pilots view which I hope to get posted > if I can figure out how to do it. > do not archive > > Ron Lendon wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" > > Hope all went well. It's now 9:30 pm esdt. Give us a reoprt. > > -------- > Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI > Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31521#31521 > > >