---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/30/06: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:59 AM - 601 Spring Gear (Randy Bryant) 2. 11:03 AM - Crosswind: A New Beginning (Dave Zilz) 3. 11:09 AM - Re: worst landing of my life (Tim Juhl) 4. 11:15 AM - Re: anti-fatigue (Tim Juhl) 5. 11:24 AM - Magic Hole Cutting Fluid. (Paul Mulwitz) 6. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: worst landing of my life (Jack Russell) 7. 01:18 PM - Landing/Taxi Lights (Jaybannist@cs.com) 8. 01:21 PM - Top Center Skins (Bill Naumuk) 9. 01:39 PM - Re: Landing/Taxi Lights (Edward Moody II) 10. 01:43 PM - NSI Engines (lufthund) 11. 01:58 PM - Center Wing Top Skins (Bill Naumuk) 12. 02:09 PM - Re: Landing/Taxi Lights (Jaybannist@cs.com) 13. 03:13 PM - Re: NSI Engines (LarryMcFarland) 14. 04:10 PM - Re: Landing/Taxi Lights (Randy Bryant) 15. 04:32 PM - Re: Landing/Taxi Lights (Jaybannist@cs.com) 16. 04:39 PM - Re: Landing/Taxi Lights (Edward Moody II) 17. 04:52 PM - Re: Landing/Taxi Lights & wee bits (Robin Bellach) 18. 05:02 PM - Re: Landing/Taxi Lights (Bill Naumuk) 19. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: worst landing of my life (Robert L. Stone) 20. 06:39 PM - Re: Crosswind: A New Beginning (B Johnson) 21. 07:10 PM - EA81 pickup gap (Tim & Diane Shankland) 22. 08:47 PM - Re: NSI Engines (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:22 AM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Spring Gear --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" Hi all, I've searched the archives and didn't find much info on this so far: I plan on building my own spring gear for my 601XL. I already have the = material (6061-T6) and a source for the bending of the material. I = would like to gun drill the gear for my brake lines, which I have a = source for as well... I have never seen gun drilled gear in person and would like to know = where the drill hole location is on/inside the gear. Does anyone have = blueprint/plans of the locaton of these holes? Thanks much, Randy N344RB ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:14 AM PST US From: "Dave Zilz" Subject: Zenith-List: Crosswind: A New Beginning --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Zilz" This weekend marked a new beginning in our family's 801 project we call = "Crosswind" . We picked up our first set of Quick Build modules from = Zenith Aircraft in Mexico, MO and are back in the "build" mode. Check = out our website at: http://crosswind.myairplane.com/Page323.1.html Thanks again for all the moral support you've provided since Crosswind's = last flight on 18 January.=20 Dave Zilz St. Peters MO z4t143@hotmail.com http://crosswind.myairplane.com/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:02 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: worst landing of my life From: "Tim Juhl" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" Just a question..... do Jab cylinder head temps run a little hot during break-in? -------- CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - awaiting kit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31842#31842 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: anti-fatigue From: "Tim Juhl" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" Sam's carries some interlocking floor pads that seem to work pretty well. You hook them together to fit the desired space and shape. $20 per pack. -------- CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - awaiting kit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31843#31843 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:06 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Zenith-List: Magic Hole Cutting Fluid. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz I just discovered some really good cutting fluid for making smooth holes in thick aluminum. It is called "Option 1" made by Relton Corporation of Arcadia,CA. I found it at my local tool store, the Tool Peddler, but I am sure there are other stores that carry this stuff. A 4 ounce bottle was plenty to make the 6 holes I needed in my wing spar and cost a few dollars. After reading about the problems others have had and trying my skills at dry drilling thick aluminum and also reaming those holes I discovered I could not make nice smooth holes. My first approach was to build a fixture to keep the reamer straight. That helped a little, but still I had rough finish inside my 5/16 holes needed to mate the XL wing spar to the center section. I decided to try this fluid. Just a few drops on the cutting tool (either drill or reamer) made a huge difference in the smoothness of the hole. The drilled holes using the fluid were smoother than the reamed ones done without the fluid. With the fluid, reamer, and reaming fixture the holes are really nice. The fixture I made for the hand reamer is just a piece of 1/2 inch UHMW plastic held around 3 inches from the work piece with a little sheet metal box. A hole drilled in the plastic and another in the opposite side of the box allow the reamer to go into the target hole and stay aligned. If anyone wants a picture just send me an email. Paul XL wings ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:01 PM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: worst landing of my life --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell Tim: I believe that most do. I have an advantage in that the west coast Jabiru dealer is located at my home airport at Chandler-fresno. He set the max cht to375 deg. I am now working to tweak the cooling with him. Jack Tim Juhl wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" Just a question..... do Jab cylinder head temps run a little hot during break-in? -------- CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - awaiting kit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31842#31842 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:49 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com In my kit, both lamps for the Landing/Taxi light assembly are identical. What makes one a landing light and the other a taxi light? Also, I am asuming that one of the screw connections on the lamp is grounded and the other goes to a switch in the panel. Since they also are identical, does it make a difference which is which? Jay in Dallas building a 601 XL (Guess where I am in the process) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:08 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Top Center Skins --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" All- Want to make sure before I cut metal. I'm laying out 6-V-11-1 top = center wing skins for an HDS (might be the same for all the rest of the = 601s, for all I know) prior to clecoing.=20 Manual says "Keep aft edge clear of rear Z spar web or you'll have = trouble when you strap the nose skin down". Print says leading edge of = top skin is 25mm forward of rear of main spar web.=20 If I align per the print, all the pre-drilled holes miss the rib = crimps, but I'll have to trim about 3/8" off the trailing edge of the = skin. If I align the trailing edge of the skin flush with the Z spar, = I'll have a hell of a mess as far as the pre-drilled hole spacing is = concerned. Every one of the crimps will be directly under a hole. My gut feeling is to hide the manual under a rock and go with the = print. Anyone been there, done that? (Not hid the manual, had a long = center wing top skin!!) Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:45 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" Hi Jay, As I undersdtand it, the inboard lamp is shielded from shining directly in front of the airplane by the inboard edge of the cutout, therefore it illuminates an area farther out in front. That designates it as the "landing light". The outboard lamp casts more of its light in front of the palne and is designated the "taxi light". Do you plan to wire and switch them separately or connect them both to one switch? I believe that most builders use the airframe for the ground return as you assumed and it does not matter which terminal goes to ground. I'm about to start on the spar so I haven't done the lights yet. Ed Moody II Rayne, LA 601XL / wings ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights > In my kit, both lamps for the Landing/Taxi light assembly are identical. > What makes one a landing light and the other a taxi light? Also, I am > asuming > that one of the screw connections on the lamp is grounded and the other > goes to > a switch in the panel. Since they also are identical, does it make a > difference which is which? > > Jay in Dallas building a 601 XL (Guess where I am in the process) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:40 PM PST US From: "lufthund" Subject: Zenith-List: NSI Engines --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lufthund" Does anyone flying behind a NSI EA81 engine know of an alternative source to purchase ignition components? More specifically, the coils and distribution blocks? Bob Wetzel 601HD Bath Pa ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:35 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Center Wing Top Skins --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" All- Never mind. Found the answer in the archives. You bury the manual = and go by the print. Bill ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:23 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com Ed, Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense. I plan to switch the lights separately, but I might find that using both is more effective. By the way, I have located my lights one rib closer to the fuselage. Jay do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:42 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: NSI Engines --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Bob, I've been buying my distributor parts, coils and such from NAPA or the Subaru Dealer Parts Dept in my area. Of course you could also buy most of it from Stratus just as easily too. Larry McFarland - 601HDS lufthund wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lufthund" > >Does anyone flying behind a NSI EA81 engine know of an >alternative source to purchase ignition components? More >specifically, the coils and distribution blocks? >Bob Wetzel 601HD >Bath Pa > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:02 PM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" I haven't gotten as far as cutting out for these lights yet, but I have thought of putting them one rib closer to center as well... Has anyone that has done this encountered any problems doing it this way? Thanks in advance, Randy N344RB do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com > > Ed, Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense. I plan to switch the lights > separately, but I might find that using both is more effective. By the > way, I > have located my lights one rib closer to the fuselage. > > Jay > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:17 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com Randy, FWIW, my EAA technical advisor suggested the move, mainly to be able to remove one of those "smiles" in the LE skin. He didn't think the location was all that critical. Jay do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:05 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" I think the idea was to place them as far from the cockpit as possible to reduce the glare. The are out at the tip of the RV wing as well. Ed Moody II Rayne, LA 601XL / wings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Bryant" Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" > > > I haven't gotten as far as cutting out for these lights yet, but I have > thought of putting them one rib closer to center as well... Has anyone > that > has done this encountered any problems doing it this way? > > Thanks in advance, > > Randy > N344RB > do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:51 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights & wee bits --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Re: Landing light placement. I think the light location was chosen to allow for the long range tank installation. I have the two tanks per wing which prevents moving them inward. So, I'm betting that if you have the single inboard tanks, moving them inward is the most practical thing to do. It would move the weight a wee bit closer to CG, eliminate a we bit of wire, and probably make the lights a wee bit more effective, and perhaps some wee bits I'm overlooking. Are there any wee bits to favor the more outboard location? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Bryant" Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" > > > I haven't gotten as far as cutting out for these lights yet, but I have > thought of putting them one rib closer to center as well... Has anyone > that > has done this encountered any problems doing it this way? > > Thanks in advance, > > Randy > N344RB > do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com >> >> Ed, Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense. I plan to switch the >> lights >> separately, but I might find that using both is more effective. By the >> way, I >> have located my lights one rib closer to the fuselage. >> >> Jay >> > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:07 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Moody II" Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing/Taxi Lights Now for a real head trip. I took Jeff Small's advice and put mine (Scratch built for an HDS) in the right wing to help counter the solo left turning tendency. Look at the archives- most of the high time flyers either put as much accessory weight in the right wing as possible, or wish they had. Most of our flying is going to be solo, and the bulk of the remainder will be with Ma in the right seat. Just a thought. If Ma outweighs you, you're probably mowing the yard instead of building!! Bill do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:59 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: worst landing of my life --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" Tim, It's normal for any new engine to run a little on the hot side during break in because of tight fitting parts. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Juhl" Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: worst landing of my life > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" > > Just a question..... do Jab cylinder head temps run a little hot during > break-in? > > -------- > CFII > Champ L16A flying > Zodiac XL - awaiting kit > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31842#31842 > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:24 PM PST US From: "B Johnson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Crosswind: A New Beginning --> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" I'm humbled by you perseverance, Nuff said. -Bruce Johnson Scratch Building a Sonex near San Antonio, TX Check out our interactive map of Sonex builders & Flyers at & if you are building or flying a Sonex Product please add your info! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Zilz > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:58 PM > To: Zenith List > Subject: Zenith-List: Crosswind: A New Beginning > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Zilz" > > This weekend marked a new beginning in our family's 801 project we call = > "Crosswind" . We picked up our first set of Quick Build modules from = > Zenith Aircraft in Mexico, MO and are back in the "build" mode. Check = > out our website at: http://crosswind.myairplane.com/Page323.1.html > > Thanks again for all the moral support you've provided since Crosswind's = > last flight on 18 January.=20 > > Dave Zilz > St. Peters MO > z4t143@hotmail.com > http://crosswind.myairplane.com/ > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:33 PM PST US From: Tim & Diane Shankland Subject: Zenith-List: EA81 pickup gap --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland I have been trying to find out what the gap between the magnetic pickup and the "cam" for the primary ignition is suppose to be. I can't seem to find it in the archives, does anybody know. Tim Shankland ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:53 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: NSI Engines From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Hmmm..Depends on what you want. The original soob ignitor chip is notoriously feeble and csts $300 to boot..The NAPA TP 45 upgrade is the way to go for a Stratus...I think NSI uses a different set up though if I'm not mistaken. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryMcFarland Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: NSI Engines --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland --> Bob, I've been buying my distributor parts, coils and such from NAPA or the Subaru Dealer Parts Dept in my area. Of course you could also buy most of it from Stratus just as easily too. Larry McFarland - 601HDS lufthund wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lufthund" > >Does anyone flying behind a NSI EA81 engine know of an alternative >source to purchase ignition components? More specifically, the coils >and distribution blocks? >Bob Wetzel 601HD >Bath Pa > > > > > > > > >