---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/09/06: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:10 AM - Vs: Re: Engine choices (Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com) 2. 01:43 AM - 1/4" hose to 3/8" (AN6) pipe (Martin Pohl) 3. 05:08 AM - Re: Make your front skin removable!! (Geoff Heap) 4. 06:16 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Scotchbrite (Garrou, Douglas) 5. 08:54 AM - Re: 1/4" hose to 3/8" (AN6) pipe (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 6. 09:39 AM - Re: Engine Fuels (Paul Moore) 7. 09:51 AM - Tires, valve stems & nuts (Kevin Kinney) 8. 10:03 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Scotchbrite (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 9. 10:14 AM - Re: Tires, valve stems & nuts (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 10. 10:33 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Scotchbrite (Craig Moore) 11. 10:51 AM - Re: She Flies! (Chuck & Lana Maggart) 12. 11:31 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Scotchbrite (Chuck Deiterich) 13. 11:33 AM - Re: Tires, valve stems & nuts () 14. 11:40 AM - Valve stem nuts.... (Zed Smith) 15. 11:58 AM - Re: Tires, valve stems & nuts (LarryMcFarland) 16. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Engine choices (Thilo Kind) 17. 01:53 PM - Zenith air CH 701 vs. skykits.com Savannah (knock off). (Christopher Hazlitt) 18. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Engine choices (Frank Roskind) 19. 04:36 PM - Re: Zenith air CH 701 vs. skykits.com Savannah (knock off). (LarryMcFarland) 20. 04:46 PM - Re: Zenith air CH 701 vs. skykits.com Savannah (knock off). (Allen Ricks) 21. 06:44 PM - Question (Gpjann@aol.com) 22. 06:44 PM - Re: Zenith air CH 701 vs. skykits.com Savannah (knock off). Thanks for responses. (Christopher Hazlitt) 23. 07:17 PM - Re: Question (Robin Bellach) 24. 07:33 PM - Re: Question (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:44 AM PST US Subject: Vs: Re: Zenith-List: Engine choices From: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com > the Smart car engine is available in the Diesel version? Never heard about > that. Are you sure? In here, in Europe, almost all vehicles has two or more engine choices. Gasoline, diesel, gas (butane)... http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/pic05/diesel-fk9-smart-engine.jpg ------------------------------------------- Jari Kaija Electronic Designer PKC Group Oyj Vihikari 10 FIN-90440 KEMPELE FINLAND Mobile: +358 (0)40 5200265 Phone: +358 (0)201 752252 TeleFax: +358 (0)201 752401 jari.kaija@pkcgroup.com http://www.pkcgroup.com http://www.project-ch701.net ------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 1/4" hose to 3/8" (AN6) pipe From: "Martin Pohl" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" Hello folks I want to connect a 1/4" flexible hose (inner diameter) to a 3/8" AN-fitting (aluminium tubing). What kind of adaptor do I need? Any ideas? Martin -------- ________________________ Martin Pohl Zodiac XL QBK 8645 Jona, Switzerland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=33570#33570 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:11 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Make your front skin removable!! From: "Geoff Heap" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" Thanks Trev. I just returned my header tank to the welding dept here where i work. Last week they cut off the filler neck and sealed it by welding a small plate on it. It leaks.....Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=33581#33581 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Fw: Zenith-List: RE: Scotchbrite From: "Garrou, Douglas" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" Hmmm.... So we have figured out the conflict. Scotchbrite apparently says yes, Heintz says no. Does the newsletter explain Heintz's reasoning? Perhaps he was following Scotchbrite's own recommendation that has changed? I'm on a mission. -----Original Message----- Time: 12:23:57 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Fw: Zenith-List: RE: Scotchbrite --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" It says that using Scotchbrite S is prohibited on aluminum, magnesium, and copper, and Scotchbrite A is recommended on aluminum. S is ok for steel and corrosion resistant steel. Chuck D. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 1/4" hose to 3/8" (AN6) pipe From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Check this out http://store.yahoo.com/fittingsandadapters/femjic37swiv.html You want the JIC 4-6....JIC is the same thread and seat angle (37deg) as the AN series of fittings. Theyy may also have them at your loacal hydraulics shop...Check www.summitracing.com also as they may have the equivilent in aluminium. Of course you will want the AN6 nipple to connect the alu tube to the fitting shown. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Martin Pohl Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:38 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 1/4" hose to 3/8" (AN6) pipe --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" Hello folks I want to connect a 1/4" flexible hose (inner diameter) to a 3/8" AN-fitting (aluminium tubing). What kind of adaptor do I need? Any ideas? Martin -------- ________________________ Martin Pohl Zodiac XL QBK 8645 Jona, Switzerland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=33570#33570 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:05 AM PST US From: "Paul Moore" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine Fuels --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" Making the engines run on alcohol is no trick. But most of the seals and rubber parts in the typical engine are not compatible so would have to be changed - not sure how because I don't think you can run down to the nearest NAPA store and buy ethanol compatible stuff for your . It does take almost twice as much alcohol (volume) to make the same power so you'd be burning twice the gph as with gasoline. One must open up the main jets to get enough into the cylinders. Even if the fuel half as expensive it's not even a break even deal considering the cost of modifying the engine to be compatible. And last but not least, the vapor pressure of alcohol is way less than gasoline so the well-worn warning of vapor lock in the lines between the tanks and the engine is even more likely with ethanol than with gasoline. Not to mention the ability of alcohol to absorb water....(hummm, that might be a good thing..?) Paul XL - O200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hulland" Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine Fuels > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Hulland" > > > What will be interesting to me is learning about how various airplane > engines will run on gasoline with some or a large amount of ethanol - such > as used in Brazil. I am convinced that this country will move in that > direction if we really want to be free of oil dependence on countries that > do not seem to like us or what we are about. Specifically, Rotax's; > Continental A65's; Continental 200's; VW and other conversions. How might > this affect builders, etc. > -- > Semper Fi, > Steven R. Hulland > CH 701/601, Amado, AZ > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:03 AM PST US From: Kevin Kinney Subject: Zenith-List: Tires, valve stems & nuts --> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Kinney I was told not to be afraid of asking stupid questions, so here goes... I have the ZAC furnished wheels, tires & tubes. The tubes have 90 deg valve stems and are threaded for a thin nut at the base of the stem. What's the trick for getting the nut on after the tube is on the wheel? It seems to require higher dexterity or more hands than I currently possess. Regards, Kevin Kinney ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:22 AM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Fw: Zenith-List: RE: Scotchbrite --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Silicon carbide is a compound of silicon and carbon. Carbon and aluminum don't play well together, they're far apart on the table of electronegativities (large potential for galvanic corrosion). This is probably the concern Chris has for this type of abrasive. Although, as I understand it, the carbon is pretty tightly bound to the silicon in this compound and might not pose a large corrosion problem. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Garrou, Douglas" > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" > > Hmmm.... So we have figured out the conflict. Scotchbrite apparently says yes, > Heintz says no. Does the newsletter explain Heintz's reasoning? Perhaps he was > following Scotchbrite's own recommendation that has changed? > > I'm on a mission. > > -----Original Message----- > Time: 12:23:57 PM PST US > From: "Chuck Deiterich" > Subject: Re: Fw: Zenith-List: RE: Scotchbrite > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" > > It says that using Scotchbrite S is prohibited on aluminum, magnesium, and > copper, and Scotchbrite A is recommended on aluminum. S is ok for steel and > corrosion resistant steel. > Chuck D. > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:53 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Tires, valve stems & nuts From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I duno 'cus I didn't fit the nuts...I.e left them off Frank HDS 400 hours Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Kinney Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Tires, valve stems & nuts --> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Kinney I was told not to be afraid of asking stupid questions, so here goes... I have the ZAC furnished wheels, tires & tubes. The tubes have 90 deg valve stems and are threaded for a thin nut at the base of the stem. What's the trick for getting the nut on after the tube is on the wheel? It seems to require higher dexterity or more hands than I currently possess. Regards, Kevin Kinney ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:56 AM PST US From: Craig Moore Subject: Re: Fw: Zenith-List: RE: Scotchbrite --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Moore Doug, CH is simply repeating what is said in AC43.13-1B Chapter 6, Page 6-22, Table 6-1. Silicon Carbide is only for use on Ferrous or Titanium. Aluminum Oxide or Garnet for Aluminum and Magnesium. It seems that no matter what "anybody" says, people will use what they want because "somebody" said it was OK. As for me, I will follow "The Book". Here is the link for the 43.13 http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument Craig Moore A&P 701 builder wannabe --- "Garrou, Douglas" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" > > > Hmmm.... So we have figured out the conflict. > Scotchbrite apparently says yes, Heintz says no. > Does the newsletter explain Heintz's reasoning? > Perhaps he was following Scotchbrite's own > recommendation that has changed? > > I'm on a mission. > > -----Original Message----- > Time: 12:23:57 PM PST US > From: "Chuck Deiterich" > Subject: Re: Fw: Zenith-List: RE: Scotchbrite > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" > > > It says that using Scotchbrite S is prohibited on > aluminum, magnesium, and > copper, and Scotchbrite A is recommended on > aluminum. S is ok for steel and > corrosion resistant steel. > Chuck D. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:17 AM PST US From: "Chuck & Lana Maggart" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: She Flies! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck & Lana Maggart" Congratulations! You have a very nice looking machine and very pretty = country to fly in! Chuck Maggart, XL most structure done, installing wiring do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:28 AM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Fw: Zenith-List: RE: Scotchbrite --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" It is probably the same reason that a regular lead pencil (graphite) should be not used on aluminum. Chuck D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrou, Douglas" Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Zenith-List: RE: Scotchbrite > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" > > Hmmm.... So we have figured out the conflict. Scotchbrite apparently says yes, Heintz says no. Does the newsletter explain Heintz's reasoning? Perhaps he was following Scotchbrite's own recommendation that has changed? > > I'm on a mission. > > -----Original Message----- > Time: 12:23:57 PM PST US > From: "Chuck Deiterich" > Subject: Re: Fw: Zenith-List: RE: Scotchbrite > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" > > It says that using Scotchbrite S is prohibited on aluminum, magnesium, and > copper, and Scotchbrite A is recommended on aluminum. S is ok for steel and > corrosion resistant steel. > Chuck D. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:00 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Tires, valve stems & nuts Cc: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: Well, I have to admit that going around with no nuts will definitely help with population control. Ed Do Not Archive this either ---- "Hinde wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > I duno 'cus I didn't fit the nuts...I.e left them off > > Frank > > HDS 400 hours > > Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:22 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Valve stem nuts.... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Note that the nuts are left-hand metric thread. Pull a five pound vacuum on the tube and put 'em on from the back side. If that fails just don't use the nuts; they were supplied to prevent the tube from departing as a result of landings in excess of 200 kts. Mine don't have any nuts either. regards, Zed/701/R912/etc/do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:40 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tires, valve stems & nuts --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Kevin, I've got the wheels and tubes like you used. Don't have nuts on mine, but used a S-83 Michelin Tire which is 3.50 x 8.00 and has perhaps a better profile than the ones from Zenith. I recommend you put a rubber fender washer on the stem before putting the wheel together and it will protect your tube from damage. I found mine at farm and fleet when tubes became leakers and were replaced. The edge of the wheel where the stem exits is too sharp and large a diameter for the stem. see links, http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/tubecrack.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/tubetireandwasher.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/tubewasherassy.gif I smoothed the radius of the stem hole, added the rubber washer and that solved both problems Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Kevin Kinney wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Kinney > >I have the ZAC furnished wheels, tires & tubes. The tubes have 90 deg valve stems and are threaded for a thin nut at the base of the stem. > >What's the trick for getting the nut on after the tube is on the wheel? It seems to require higher dexterity or more hands than I currently possess. > >Regards, >Kevin Kinney > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:58 PM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Engine choices --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Hi Jari, I am located in Europe. Actually looking to find a good deal on a 60 kW Smart Roadster at the moment. Unfortuantely, prices are still too high. However, I haven't spent too much time on the Smart car at all, so it was new to me, that they also make a Diesel. For our American friends (since the Smart is not sold in the US): The Smart is a 2 seater car made by a JV with Chrysler Daimler. It is tiny even for European standards - you probably can load two of those things on the flat bed of a Ford 250 pickup. Engine is a 3 cyclinder 4 stroke engine (various hp versions available). A few guys came out with a Smart engine converted or airplane use . The engine is light weight, burns mogas, and produces around 100 hp. Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: Vs: Re: Zenith-List: Engine choices > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com > > > the Smart car engine is available in the Diesel version? Never heard > about > > that. Are you sure? > > In here, in Europe, almost all vehicles has two or more engine choices. > Gasoline, diesel, gas (butane)... > > http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/pic05/diesel-fk9-smart-engine.jpg > > > ------------------------------------------- > Jari Kaija > Electronic Designer > PKC Group Oyj > Vihikari 10 > FIN-90440 KEMPELE > FINLAND > Mobile: +358 (0)40 5200265 > Phone: +358 (0)201 752252 > TeleFax: +358 (0)201 752401 > jari.kaija@pkcgroup.com > http://www.pkcgroup.com > http://www.project-ch701.net > ------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:26 PM PST US From: Christopher Hazlitt Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith air CH 701 vs. skykits.com Savannah (knock off). --> Zenith-List message posted by: Christopher Hazlitt Hello everyone, Just joined the list. I am in Alaska and looking for a kit plane project to start on. I have over 2000 hours in various aircraft from the age of 16 (now 48) and am looking for something I can fly in and out of my 300 X 600 foot piece of property I now live on. From what I have found so far the Zenith air CH 701 will do what I want but I ran across the Savannah knock off of this aircraft on the web last night which appears to be a better choice for me, although more expensive. Any opinions pro or con between the two here? Christopher Hazlitt, Palmer AK. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:12 PM PST US From: "Frank Roskind" Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Engine choices --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Roskind" I went to www.smart.com and there they have a diesel for the four seater, but not for the other models. It is interesting that their otto cycle engines have two spark plugs per cylinder. Frank Roskind Do not archive From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Engine choices --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Hi Jari, I am located in Europe. Actually looking to find a good deal on a 60 kW Smart Roadster at the moment. Unfortuantely, prices are still too high. However, I haven't spent too much time on the Smart car at all, so it was new to me, that they also make a Diesel. For our American friends (since the Smart is not sold in the US): The Smart is a 2 seater car made by a JV with Chrysler Daimler. It is tiny even for European standards - you probably can load two of those things on the flat bed of a Ford 250 pickup. Engine is a 3 cyclinder 4 stroke engine (various hp versions available). A few guys came out with a Smart engine converted or airplane use . The engine is light weight, burns mogas, and produces around 100 hp. Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: Vs: Re: Zenith-List: Engine choices > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com > > > the Smart car engine is available in the Diesel version? Never heard > about > > that. Are you sure? > > In here, in Europe, almost all vehicles has two or more engine choices. > Gasoline, diesel, gas (butane)... > > http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/pic05/diesel-fk9-smart-engine.jpg > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > Jari Kaija > Electronic Designer > PKC Group Oyj > Vihikari 10 > FIN-90440 KEMPELE > FINLAND > Mobile: +358 (0)40 5200265 > Phone: +358 (0)201 752252 > TeleFax: +358 (0)201 752401 > jari.kaija@pkcgroup.com > http://www.pkcgroup.com > http://www.project-ch701.net > ------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:44 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith air CH 701 vs. skykits.com Savannah (knock off). --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Christopher, You might add the 801 to that list because Alaska is a place that the 801 would seem most suitable. Easy to access your place as well. Recently there was an 801 partially done for sale, but you'll only have to search a bit for it. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Christopher Hazlitt wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Christopher Hazlitt > >Hello everyone, > > Just joined the list. I am in Alaska and looking for a kit plane project to start on. I have over 2000 hours in various aircraft from the age of 16 (now 48) and am looking for something I can fly in and out of my 300 X 600 foot piece of property I now live on. > > From what I have found so far the Zenith air CH 701 will do what I want but I ran across the Savannah knock off of this aircraft on the web last night which appears to be a better choice for me, although more expensive. > > Any opinions pro or con between the two here? > > Christopher Hazlitt, Palmer AK. > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:46 PM PST US From: "Allen Ricks" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zenith air CH 701 vs. skykits.com Savannah (knock off). --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" Hi Chris, I was looking at the Savannah last year. I went to the Arlington airshow to look at the 701 and the Savannah. Shortly before the Arlington airshow, a Savannah aircraft had a structural failure, A wing collapsed, and the aircraft crashed killing the pilot, and I believe a passenger (this occured in one of the Scandanavian countries if I recall correctly). At the Arlington airshow, I asked the Savannah guy about a ride and he stated that they "could not easily take the aircaft out of the tent" and he therefore could not give me a ride. After that I asked him about the accident and he said "you heard about that huh? I'm not trying to hide anything from you". I believe at the time his aircraft was grounded due to the aforementioned structural failure, but he was never really clear on that. I know that accidents happen, and it had been postulated that the aircraft in question had not been properly cared for, not properly inspected, yadda, yadda, yadda. I also heard there were sturctural and inspection related changes that were made after the accident. I just didn't get a good feeling from the dealer. Your mileage may vary. I then went over to the Zenith display. I looked at the 601 and 701. I talked Nick in to a ride in the 601. I then told Michael that I wish they had a quick build 601. That was a VERY expensive wish, as he showed me the 601 quickbuild that would be released at Oshkosh. He was willing to sell me one at Arlington though :) I'm not sure when (or if) the 750 is supposed to be released, but you might ask about that. It's a completed version of the 701 with a higher gross for the LSA market. You also may ask about what the new CNC machine has changed in the 701. If many of the holes get drilled, it may be a good option. Like I say, the Savannah may be a perfectly good aircraft, but I didn't have a good feeling after talking with the dealer. There are also a whole lot less people (like all those on this list) that would be able to help you if you run in to issue building the plane. Allen Ricks Beaverton OR - Behalf Of Christopher Hazlitt S --> Zenith-List message posted by: Christopher Hazlitt Hello everyone, Just joined the list. I am in Alaska and looking for a kit plane project to start on. I have over 2000 hours in various aircraft from the age of 16 (now 48) and am looking for something I can fly in and out of my 300 X 600 foot piece of property I now live on. From what I have found so far the Zenith air CH 701 will do what I want but I ran across the Savannah knock off of this aircraft on the web last night which appears to be a better choice for me, although more expensive. Any opinions pro or con between the two here? Christopher Hazlitt, Palmer AK. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:36 PM PST US From: Gpjann@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gpjann@aol.com Does anyone know the key to being able to contact WW, the Corvair Authority? ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:36 PM PST US From: Christopher Hazlitt Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith air CH 701 vs. skykits.com Savannah (knock off). Thanks for responses. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Christopher Hazlitt Thanks for your responses everyone, some in private. I have much to consider now and am also looking at the 801 too. I am going to an EAA meeting near here tonight where I hope to meet Jim Frisby and will probably be able to get an in person look-see at his 801 sometime soon. I like the 801 more but have concerns if it will be able to get in and out of my 300 X 600 foot piece of property. In the short direction I have a run 300 feet long which is clear of fenses with long open stretches of clear land on the departure end (prevailing winds come from that direction). The other end has some 25-50 foot tall cotten wood trees and brush which I can probably get permission to clear. The long way across the property clear but also slanted down until it gets to a 100 foot tall hill on the north end which rises fairly quickly beginning at about 700 feet from the end of my property. The opposite direction, the uphill slant is fairly flat for the first 300 feet and then begins a gradual upslope for the remaining 300 feet of the run with a 35 foot tall building near the south end. I believe the downhill 600 foot run is no problem and may actually help me get off quicker without the hill on the end becoming a factor at all for the Ch 701 and that the cross direction 300 foot run is enough for the CH 701 but I have doubts a gross weight 801 can use that run without a fairly stiff headwind. Of course, my opinions are based on little information and impressions I am getting from things gound on the net. I'd sure appreciate feedback from people who have flown either the 701 or the 801 to understand if the 801 is just too big for safe in and outs of my place. I don't mind pushing it up to within 20 percent of maximum performance on an occasional basis but don't like doing that. I'd be happier if I don't have to use more than 60% or less of what the aircraft is capable of on a regular basis. I used to fly a PA-12 with a 150 HP engine into and out of a place where I had 15 percent or less length of a run left over for fudge factoring but didn't like to do that too often. How wide an area should I clear of trees for a good solid short field with this aircraft? Chris Palmer, AK LarryMcFarland wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Christopher, You might add the 801 to that list because Alaska is a place that the 801 would seem most suitable. Easy to access your place as well. Recently there was an 801 partially done for sale, but you'll only have to search a bit for it. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Christopher Hazlitt wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Christopher Hazlitt > >Hello everyone, > > Just joined the list. I am in Alaska and looking for a kit plane project to start on. I have over 2000 hours in various aircraft from the age of 16 (now 48) and am looking for something I can fly in and out of my 300 X 600 foot piece of property I now live on. > > From what I have found so far the Zenith air CH 701 will do what I want but I ran across the Savannah knock off of this aircraft on the web last night which appears to be a better choice for me, although more expensive. > > Any opinions pro or con between the two here? > > Christopher Hazlitt, Palmer AK. > > > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:35 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> The old fashoned way - key 386-478-0396 into a telephne. Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Question > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gpjann@aol.com > > Does anyone know the key to being able to contact WW, the Corvair > Authority? > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:23 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Reaching William is hit and miss. Best way these days is to call the hanger: (386) 478-0396. In my experience repeated calls are more effective than leaving a message but it depends on the situation. Currently he is busier than usual between the summer air shows, a road trip to Canada and some (good) things happening in his personal life. I suspect that if you are posting your question on this list then you may not know about the Corvair-aircraft-specific list. That is certainly a great place to ask questions that don't require a answer directly from William: Search the CorvAircraft archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp Other CorvAircraft list info is at http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html The correct etiquette is to search the archives before asking a question. You can also search William's extensive web site for answers to general questions. Try: http://www.davemorris.com/SearchFlyCorvair.cfm Or try the Google box at the bottom of William's home page: www.flycorvair.com. For general questions the first thing to do is look for the answer in Williams conversion manual. He is also more receptive to answering questions from people who have purchased the manual. This is undoubtedly more than you wanted to know - hopefully some of it will be helpful. -- Craig, 601XL/Corvair