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1. 02:46 AM - Re: 1/4" hose to 3/8" (AN6) pipe (Martin Pohl)
2. 04:35 AM - Vs: Re: Re: Engine choices (Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com)
3. 04:50 AM - Have Plans, need Aluminium (martyn@flight.co.za)
4. 05:16 AM - Vs: Re: Engine choices (Mitch Hodges)
5. 05:59 AM - Re: Have Plans, need Aluminium (ROBERT SCEPPA)
6. 06:07 AM - Re: Have Plans, need Aluminium (Randy Bryant)
7. 07:17 AM - Turnbuckle question (Zed Smith)
8. 07:20 AM - Re: Engine Choices (Larry Martin)
9. 07:31 AM - Re: Have Plans, need Aluminium (n801bh@netzero.com)
10. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: Engine Choices (Michael Valentine)
11. 07:43 AM - Re: Turnbuckle question (n801bh@netzero.com)
12. 08:01 AM - Re: Have Plans, need Aluminium (martyn@flight.co.za)
13. 09:10 AM - Re: Question (Rick Lindstrom)
14. 10:01 AM - Corvair Day, Saturday May 20th at the Zenith factory in Mexico, MO (Craig Payne)
15. 10:29 AM - Re: Vs: Re: Engine choices (Thilo Kind)
16. 12:01 PM - Custom Sheet Metal Fabrication on a budget (Tom and Bren)
17. 12:53 PM - First flight N701MW (Bill Mileski)
18. 01:31 PM - Re: First flight N701MW (LarryMcFarland)
19. 01:31 PM - Re: First flight N701MW (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
20. 02:42 PM - source for oil filled nylon (ken smith)
21. 03:04 PM - Anyone know much about the upcoming CH 750? (Christopher Hazlitt)
22. 06:20 PM - Do I need controls and canopy yet? (Richard Vetterli)
23. 06:36 PM - Plans Revision Question (William Dominguez)
24. 06:54 PM - Re: First flight N701MW (John Maselli)
25. 07:24 PM - Re: Do I need controls and canopy yet? (Jaybannist@cs.com)
26. 07:35 PM - Hole/Fly Cutter (Randy Bryant)
27. 07:54 PM - Re: Anyone know much about the upcoming CH 750? (Ron Butterfield)
28. 08:03 PM - RE : Hole/Fly Cutter (Carlos Sa)
29. 08:24 PM - Re: Hole/Fly Cutter (Randy Bryant)
30. 09:07 PM - Re: Anyone know much about the upcoming CH 750? (Christopher Hazlitt)
31. 09:21 PM - Re: Plans Revision Question (kevinbonds)
32. 09:21 PM - Re: First flight N701MW (NYTerminat@aol.com)
33. 09:30 PM - Re: Custom non STOL Elevator for CH 701 (Gary Gower)
34. 10:16 PM - Re: Hole/Fly Cutter (Paul Mulwitz)
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| Subject: | Re: 1/4" hose to 3/8" (AN6) pipe |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" <mpohl@pohltec.ch>
Thank you, Frank!
Martin
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Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choices |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com
There is diesel engine for two seater Smart as well. At least Finnish
pages...
CDi, 69 kg, 699cm3, 100Nm/1800-2800, 30kw/4200rpm
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Roskind"
<frankroskind@hotmail.com>
I went to www.smart.com and there they have a diesel for the four seater,
but not for the other models. It is interesting that their otto cycle
engines have two spark plugs per cylinder.
Frank Roskind
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From: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Engine choices
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Jari,
I am located in Europe. Actually looking to find a good deal on a 60 kW
Smart Roadster at the moment. Unfortuantely, prices are still too high.
However, I haven't spent too much time on the Smart car at all, so it was
new to me, that they also make a Diesel.
For our American friends (since the Smart is not sold in the US): The Smart
is a 2 seater car made by a JV with Chrysler Daimler. It is tiny even for
European standards - you probably can load two of those things on the flat
bed of a Ford 250 pickup. Engine is a 3 cyclinder 4 stroke engine (various
hp versions available). A few guys came out with a Smart engine converted
or
airplane use . The engine is light weight, burns mogas, and produces around
100 hp.
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:06 AM
Subject: Vs: Re: Zenith-List: Engine choices
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com
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> > the Smart car engine is available in the Diesel version? Never heard
> about
> > that. Are you sure?
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> In here, in Europe, almost all vehicles has two or more engine choices.
> Gasoline, diesel, gas (butane)...
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> http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/pic05/diesel-fk9-smart-engine.jpg
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| Subject: | Have Plans, need Aluminium |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
Hello,
Anyone know somebody / company (States or Canada or Anywhere) apart from
aircraftspruce that can send / ship 6061 T6 Sheets to South Africa.
(Enough for a scratch built 701) I'm having a hell of a time trying to
find somebody a: Reliable, b: Willing to ship to South Africa :(
Regards
Martyn Ward, do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Vs: Re: Engine choices |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mitch Hodges" <n601mh@hodges.info>
The Diesel Smart 2 seater is also on the Canadian pages.
For those in the US that may be interested, there is one importer/"americanizer"
() but they are focused only on the gas model and availability is very limited.
The Canadian version cannot be registered in the US.
Daimler-Benz keeps threatening to bring it to the US, but they are losing about
$5,000 (US) on the ones they are selling in Europe so they're hesitant to do
so. Rumors continue that they will do it "next year" and sell them through Mercedes
dealers, but "next year" has been the last couple of model years.
Personally, I'd buy two tomorrow if they were available (one for me for my way
too long commute, one for my 17 year old). It fits both our "missions" when driving.
I think the US market is ripe for this type of auto introduction, similar
to the Civic introduction during the mid/late 70's gas crisis.
Mitch "Way off topic" Hodges
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=33783#33783
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| Subject: | Re: Have Plans, need Aluminium |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> You might try Yarde Metals in CT. They also have
> surplus discount.
--- martyn@flight.co.za wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
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> Hello,
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> Anyone know somebody / company (States or Canada or
> Anywhere) apart from
> aircraftspruce that can send / ship 6061 T6 Sheets
> to South Africa.
> (Enough for a scratch built 701) I'm having a hell
> of a time trying to
> find somebody a: Reliable, b: Willing to ship to
> South Africa :(
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| Subject: | Re: Have Plans, need Aluminium |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
You can try: http://www.yardemetals.com. They have been reliable...and very
reasonably priced. I've bought all of my raw materials from them. I'm not
sure about the shipping to South Africa though, but you can contact them and
see...
Thanks,
Randy
N344RB
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----- Original Message -----
From: <martyn@flight.co.za>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:43 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Have Plans, need Aluminium
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
>
> Hello,
>
> Anyone know somebody / company (States or Canada or Anywhere) apart from
> aircraftspruce that can send / ship 6061 T6 Sheets to South Africa.
> (Enough for a scratch built 701) I'm having a hell of a time trying to
> find somebody a: Reliable, b: Willing to ship to South Africa :(
>
> Regards
>
> Martyn Ward, do not archive
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| Subject: | Turnbuckle question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
List,
There are four turnbuckles used on the 701.
Any comments as to use of the MS Clip-Lock units instead of the AN- items shown
by ZAC?
Seems that if the rudder cable lengths are cut correctly then none might be needed
for the rudder. Comments?
Regards,
Zed/701/R912/90+%/golfball hailstorm about 6 A.M./do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choices |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Martin <redplanet@proofzone.com>
For photos of a Smart diesel installed in a CH601, go to:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo4.html.
Last three pix at the bottom of the page.
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| Subject: | Re: Have Plans, need Aluminium |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
Ya got to be kiddin??? South Africa has 40+ million people and no one se=
lls aluminum??
Do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- martyn@flight.co.za wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
Hello,
Anyone know somebody / company (States or Canada or Anywhere) apart from=
aircraftspruce that can send / ship 6061 T6 Sheets to South Africa.
(Enough for a scratch built 701) I'm having a hell of a time trying to
find somebody a: Reliable, b: Willing to ship to South Africa :(
Regards
Martyn Ward, do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choices |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
Does anyone know whose plane that is? It would be interesting to learn mor=
e
about.
Michael Valentine
On 5/10/06, Larry Martin <redplanet@proofzone.com> wrote:
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Martin <redplanet@proofzone.com>
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> For photos of a Smart diesel installed in a CH601, go to:
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> http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo4.html.
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| Subject: | Re: Turnbuckle question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
You will never get it cut the exact right length,,, I don't think
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
List,
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Any comments as to use of the MS Clip-Lock units instead of the AN- item=
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Seems that if the rudder cable lengths are cut correctly then none might=
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| Subject: | Re: Have Plans, need Aluminium |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
Not in the thickness's and small quantities I require! If I want to build
an Armour plated Flying Tank from 2mm plate and Up...... No problem!
And FYI the Majority of those 40 million are living below the breadline.
Regards, Do not Archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com"
> <n801bh@netzero.com>
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> Ya got to be kiddin??? South Africa has 40+ million people and no one se=
> lls aluminum??
> Do not archive
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> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
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> -- martyn@flight.co.za wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
>
> Hello,
>
> Anyone know somebody / company (States or Canada or Anywhere) apart from=
>
> aircraftspruce that can send / ship 6061 T6 Sheets to South Africa.
> (Enough for a scratch built 701) I'm having a hell of a time trying to
> find somebody a: Reliable, b: Willing to ship to South Africa :(
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>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Persistance.
And don't forget about the wildfires in the area. His whole crew was
unable to get in to the shop earlier this week due to the closure of
I95, so I'd wait until the smoke clears a bit.
Best,
Rick Lindstrom
Gpjann@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gpjann@aol.com
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>Does anyone know the key to being able to contact WW, the Corvair Authority?
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| Subject: | Corvair Day, Saturday May 20th at the Zenith factory in Mexico, |
MO
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
If you are at all interested in Corvair engines in aircraft, especially one
designed by Zenith then this should be of interest to you. Zenith will be
hosting an open house with William Wynne at their factory on the 20th. This
would allow you to get your facts first-hand about the planes, the engine
and the combination.
This open house is also significant for 701 builders. In the past the
Heintz's and William have debated whether the Corvair is a suitable engine
for the 701. They now believe that it is a feasible configuration. William
likes to build and fly designs before he offers them for sale. So part of
the reason for this trip is to pick up a complete 701 kit.
Although William's Corvair-powered 601XL will *not* be there they will have
two converted engines, conversion manuals and a selection of the other
products that William sells.
Details at www.flycorvair.com/hangar.html
I've visited both William and the Zenith factory. If you are evaluating the
Corvair engine and can make it to the factory on this day I think you would
find the day invaluable.
No, I don't work for William.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Vs: Re: Engine choices |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Mitch,
I believe, there is quite a market for the Smart in the US - just fit it
with a mower and sell it as an airconditioned lawn mower....
do not archive...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitch Hodges" <n601mh@HODGES.INFO>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Vs: Re: Engine choices
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mitch Hodges" <n601mh@hodges.info>
>
> The Diesel Smart 2 seater is also on the Canadian pages.
>
> For those in the US that may be interested, there is one
importer/"americanizer" () but they are focused only on the gas model and
availability is very limited. The Canadian version cannot be registered in
the US.
>
> Daimler-Benz keeps threatening to bring it to the US, but they are losing
about $5,000 (US) on the ones they are selling in Europe so they're hesitant
to do so. Rumors continue that they will do it "next year" and sell them
through Mercedes dealers, but "next year" has been the last couple of model
years.
>
> Personally, I'd buy two tomorrow if they were available (one for me for my
way too long commute, one for my 17 year old). It fits both our "missions"
when driving. I think the US market is ripe for this type of auto
introduction, similar to the Civic introduction during the mid/late 70's gas
crisis.
>
> Mitch "Way off topic" Hodges
> Do not archive
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=33783#33783
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| Subject: | Custom Sheet Metal Fabrication on a budget |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tom and Bren <tomandbren2003@yahoo.com>
(RE-POSTED from the Oregon-EAA Yahoo group)
Ok, I've been one of the quite ones so far. This will be my first post. I'm
in the middle of scratch building a Zenith 601 XL (It is TOO a real airplane!),
and have come to GREATLY appreciate the CNC punches, lasers, and brakes we
have at work.
I'd like to offer help to anyone looking for CNC fabrication, as long as it
pertains to their aircraft projects. I can deliver most anything you'll need
within 10 to 14 days, probably sooner. So to make this short, be it instument
cut-outs, a complete custom panel, or just replacement airframe parts, let me
know if I can help you out.
Pricing will be different for every project, but will almost always be cheaper
than a factory replacement or a standard job shop quote. Please, only aircraft
parts or fixtures. This is just to help out the other adventurous folks
who live with their heads in the clouds.
Oh, and check Zenith Aircraft first. They're good people with good pricing.
I can't supply their parts, but if you want something you can't get from them
or need custom programing or CAD work done, drop me a line.
Tom Henderson
McMinnville, OR 97128
971-241-5035
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Mileski <mileski@sonalysts.com>
Hello all,
Well, I know you guys haven't heard too much from me lately, but I
wanted to let you know that N701MW, a CH-701 from a year 2000 kit,
with a 912S, made its first flights last weekend. Calm wind, 7000
foot runway, early morning, clear skies, in southern Rhode Island (at
sea level). For the very interested, there is a slide show my wife
posted to a web site. The flight and day turned out perfectly.
Preliminary, uncalibrated data:
After a high-speed taxi test, takeoff with slow advance to full
throttle yielded surprising acceleration, and climb speed chosen was
60mph. Unverified instruments, but VSI indicated approximately 1300
fpm. Leveled off and reduced to 4800 rpm and saw approximately 85mph
indicated, which was more than the plan for first flight, so reduced
rpm and flew the traffic pattern several times at 75mph indicated
(pitot/static on left wing) at 4250rpm. Static rpm is 5300, prop is
three blade Woodcomp fixed pitch 68" diam. Felt much lighter on the
controls than the C152 I've been flying, stick displacements are
minimal during flight. Instruments are VFR steam type, with extras a
radio, transponder, a 4-channel EGT, and a combination digital fuel
pressure/ammeter/voltmeter.
Pitch and roll are light, very little stick displacement, but easy to
adjust to. Rudder requires a little breakout force from the nylon
self-centering blocks. Rudder is required for coordination, and
rudder feedback is lower than that of the C152. Rudder use seems to
call for small displacements to achieve plenty of yaw at cruise speeds.
Landing was 60mph indicated right to the flare, and no
flaps. Touchdown reminded me that our feet is linked to the nose
wheel directly with threaded rod, so you are well informed if the
rudder is not perfectly centered at nose gear touch. Handling seemed
intuitive. I had to adjust my elevator trim tab for more "up"
authority. Otherwise, no changes yet. I don't think I have a heavy
wing, but more flights will give me a better idea. I will use the
GPS and get a better idea of instrument accuracy soon.
Thanks for all the information over the years, and aside from all
that info above that I assumed you guys wanted to hear, it was a
BLAST! Much more fun than I ever anticipated.
Bill Mileski
http://francesmileski.typepad.com/francesmileski/files/maiden_voyage.wmv
(pretty large .wmv file, with goofy music to boot, only for the serious addict)
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N701MW |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Bill,
Congratulations! You've got a really nice craft there. Well done! Sure
enjoyed your
video too.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Bill Mileski wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Mileski <mileski@sonalysts.com>
>
>Hello all,
>
>Well, I know you guys haven't heard too much from me lately, but I
>wanted to let you know that N701MW, a CH-701 from a year 2000 kit,
>with a 912S, made its first flights last weekend. Calm wind, 7000
>foot runway, early morning, clear skies, in southern Rhode Island (at
>sea level). For the very interested, there is a slide show my wife
>posted to a web site. The flight and day turned out perfectly.
>
> I assumed you guys wanted to hear, it was a
>BLAST! Much more fun than I ever anticipated.
>
>Bill Mileski
>
>http://francesmileski.typepad.com/francesmileski/files/maiden_voyage.wmv
>(pretty large .wmv file, with goofy music to boot, only for the serious addict)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | First flight N701MW |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Good job Bill....That music is PAINFULL!...:)
One question...Did you do the paint job yourself?...if so whay did you
use and what was your experience in painting.
How were the graphics done?
Thanks
Frank
HDS 400 hours
RV7a nearly finished.
Bill Mileski
http://francesmileski.typepad.com/francesmileski/files/maiden_voyage.wmv
(pretty large .wmv file, with goofy music to boot, only for the serious
addict)
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| Subject: | source for oil filled nylon |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ken smith <lrepilot@yahoo.com>
Does anybody have a source for oil or mds filled cast nylon?. Mc Master has it
but only 12x12 sheet (I need 4x4x1.5)
thanks
Ken
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| Subject: | Anyone know much about the upcoming CH 750? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Christopher Hazlitt <chrishazlitt@yahoo.com>
Hello,
I have been looking very closely at the CH 701 as the STOL sport aircraft of
choice to get in and out of my little 300 X 600 foot property but from what little
I am able to find on the Zenith air web site the CH 750 is closer to what
I should have.
This is what I know so far:
2 foot wider wingspan
2 inches wider cabin
Longer fuselage (for what? luggage?)
Increased gross weight to Sport Aircraft limit.
Does anyone know anymore more than this? I can't seem to find more about it,
perhaps because Zenith air is being very tight lipped, for good reason.
Christopher Hazlitt, Palmer Alaska
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| Subject: | Do I need controls and canopy yet? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
As the work on my wings is progressing, I'm getting
ready to place my order for the fuselage and landing
gear kits. Is there any reason why I need to order
the canopy kit or the controls kit yet? Can they wait
until I'm well into the fuselage, or will I regret not
having them earlier?
Thanks for any advise.
Rich Vetterli
XL/Corvair
www.geocities.com/stixx5a
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| Subject: | Plans Revision Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
I would like to make my fuselage as described in the
most recent version of the plans, using .025 for the
rear bottom and side skins however, Ive already made
most of the tail part as described on a previous
version of the plans using .016 for the skin and most
ribs. Is there any problem if I install a rudder and
stabilizer made with the older plans to a fuselage
made with the newer plans.
Thanks
William Dominguez
Plansbuilt Zodiac 601XL
Back on building
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| Subject: | First flight N701MW |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Maselli <jfmasell@optonline.net>
CONGRATS, Great slides by the way!!! Life is beautiful!
John Maselli
A Computer Consulting
516-524-0420
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mileski
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: First flight N701MW
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Mileski <mileski@sonalysts.com>
Hello all,
Well, I know you guys haven't heard too much from me lately, but I wanted to
let you know that N701MW, a CH-701 from a year 2000 kit, with a 912S, made
its first flights last weekend. Calm wind, 7000 foot runway, early morning,
clear skies, in southern Rhode Island (at sea level). For the very
interested, there is a slide show my wife posted to a web site. The flight
and day turned out perfectly.
Preliminary, uncalibrated data:
After a high-speed taxi test, takeoff with slow advance to full throttle
yielded surprising acceleration, and climb speed chosen was 60mph.
Unverified instruments, but VSI indicated approximately 1300 fpm. Leveled
off and reduced to 4800 rpm and saw approximately 85mph indicated, which was
more than the plan for first flight, so reduced rpm and flew the traffic
pattern several times at 75mph indicated (pitot/static on left wing) at
4250rpm. Static rpm is 5300, prop is three blade Woodcomp fixed pitch 68"
diam. Felt much lighter on the controls than the C152 I've been flying,
stick displacements are minimal during flight. Instruments are VFR steam
type, with extras a radio, transponder, a 4-channel EGT, and a combination
digital fuel pressure/ammeter/voltmeter.
Pitch and roll are light, very little stick displacement, but easy to adjust
to. Rudder requires a little breakout force from the nylon self-centering
blocks. Rudder is required for coordination, and rudder feedback is lower
than that of the C152. Rudder use seems to call for small displacements to
achieve plenty of yaw at cruise speeds.
Landing was 60mph indicated right to the flare, and no flaps. Touchdown
reminded me that our feet is linked to the nose wheel directly with threaded
rod, so you are well informed if the rudder is not perfectly centered at
nose gear touch. Handling seemed intuitive. I had to adjust my elevator
trim tab for more "up"
authority. Otherwise, no changes yet. I don't think I have a heavy wing,
but more flights will give me a better idea. I will use the GPS and get a
better idea of instrument accuracy soon.
Thanks for all the information over the years, and aside from all that info
above that I assumed you guys wanted to hear, it was a BLAST! Much more fun
than I ever anticipated.
Bill Mileski
http://francesmileski.typepad.com/francesmileski/files/maiden_voyage.wmv
(pretty large .wmv file, with goofy music to boot, only for the serious
addict)
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| Subject: | Re: Do I need controls and canopy yet? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com
Rich, I ordered the controls kit right after the wings kit so that I could
get the aileron cables tied to the bellcranks before I closed the wings.
Jay do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
I made my first wing rib tonight! RR#1... It turned out great! =
Straight as an arrow, nice clean crimps...etc... THEN I went to cut the =
lightening holes and my hole/fly cutter is a piece of crap I bought off =
eBay, and it cut the hole to 120mm... I've had trouble with this hole =
cutter on the holes I've cut so far and have grown to hate it. That's =
OK for now, I'll just hang the scrap rib on the wall as a reminder... =
BUT, I'd like not make the same mistake again...
Can anyone point me to a good hole/fly cutter to do this job?
Thanks in advance,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.N344RB.com
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know much about the upcoming CH 750? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield <rbutterfield@mebtel.net>
At 06:02 PM 5/10/2006, Christopher Hazlitt wrote:
>
> I have been looking very closely at the CH 701 as the STOL sport
> aircraft of choice to get in and out of my little 300 X 600 foot
> property but from what little I am able to find on the Zenith air
> web site the CH 750 is closer to what I should have.
>
> Does anyone know anymore more than this? I can't seem to find
> more about it, perhaps because Zenith air is being very tight
> lipped, for good reason.
It's new, and has not yet flown. It is a good thing that they aren't
crowing about what it can do until they know for sure that it will do it ;-)
This page
http://www.zenithair.com//news/ch750.html
does say that the new plane will be sold only as a complete airplane,
not as kit or plans.
>
Regards,
RonB
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Randy, I've been using a "hardware store grade" one with decent results.
All (CH601-HD) rib and spar lightening holes done.
Good luck
Carlos
do not archive (after all, it's just 2 cents)
--- Randy Bryant <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com> a crit :
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
>
> I made my first wing rib tonight! RR#1... It turned out great! =
> Straight as an arrow, nice clean crimps...etc... THEN I went to cut the =
> lightening holes and my hole/fly cutter is a piece of crap I bought off =
> eBay, and it cut the hole to 120mm... I've had trouble with this hole =
> cutter on the holes I've cut so far and have grown to hate it. That's =
> OK for now, I'll just hang the scrap rib on the wall as a reminder... =
> BUT, I'd like not make the same mistake again...
>
> Can anyone point me to a good hole/fly cutter to do this job?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Randy
> XL Wings - Plans Only
> http://www.N344RB.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hole/Fly Cutter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
Thanks all,
I just purchased another one, this time what looks like a more sturdy built
one with carbide cutting blade... We'll see how this works out...
Thanks much,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.N344RB.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: RE : Zenith-List: Hole/Fly Cutter
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Randy, I've been using a "hardware store grade" one with decent results.
>
> All (CH601-HD) rib and spar lightening holes done.
>
> Good luck
>
> Carlos
> do not archive (after all, it's just 2 cents)
>
>
> --- Randy Bryant <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com> a crit :
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant"
>> <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
>>
>> I made my first wing rib tonight! RR#1... It turned out great! =
>> Straight as an arrow, nice clean crimps...etc... THEN I went to cut the
>> =
>> lightening holes and my hole/fly cutter is a piece of crap I bought off =
>> eBay, and it cut the hole to 120mm... I've had trouble with this hole =
>> cutter on the holes I've cut so far and have grown to hate it. That's =
>> OK for now, I'll just hang the scrap rib on the wall as a reminder... =
>> BUT, I'd like not make the same mistake again...
>>
>> Can anyone point me to a good hole/fly cutter to do this job?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Randy
>> XL Wings - Plans Only
>> http://www.N344RB.com
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know much about the upcoming CH 750? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Christopher Hazlitt <chrishazlitt@yahoo.com>
Dag nabbit! Only a production plane. Thanks, I missed that on their site.
Chris
Ron Butterfield <rbutterfield@mebtel.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield
At 06:02 PM 5/10/2006, Christopher Hazlitt wrote:
>
> I have been looking very closely at the CH 701 as the STOL sport
> aircraft of choice to get in and out of my little 300 X 600 foot
> property but from what little I am able to find on the Zenith air
> web site the CH 750 is closer to what I should have.
>
> Does anyone know anymore more than this? I can't seem to find
> more about it, perhaps because Zenith air is being very tight
> lipped, for good reason.
It's new, and has not yet flown. It is a good thing that they aren't
crowing about what it can do until they know for sure that it will do it ;-)
This page
http://www.zenithair.com//news/ch750.html
does say that the new plane will be sold only as a complete airplane,
not as kit or plans.
>
Regards,
RonB
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| Subject: | Plans Revision Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Yes, be aware that the location of the Front HT frame has been moved on the
new plans. I am using the old location and dimensions instead of the new.
Take a look at my website here:
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds/HT_frame_problem.htm
Should help.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Dominguez
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Plans Revision Question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
I would like to make my fuselage as described in the
most recent version of the plans, using .025 for the
rear bottom and side skins however, Ive already made
most of the tail part as described on a previous
version of the plans using .016 for the skin and most
ribs. Is there any problem if I install a rudder and
stabilizer made with the older plans to a fuselage
made with the newer plans.
Thanks
William Dominguez
Plansbuilt Zodiac 601XL
Back on building
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N701MW |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Bill
Congratulations
Sounds like you are getting faster speeds than I am. What pitch do you have
your prop set at?
In a message dated 5/10/2006 3:54:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mileski@sonalysts.com writes:
Leveled off and reduced to 4800 rpm and saw approximately 85mph
indicated, which was more than the plan for first flight, so reduced
rpm and flew the traffic pattern several times at 75mph indicated
(pitot/static on left wing) at 4250rpm. Static rpm is 5300, prop is
three blade Woodcomp fixed pitch 68" diam. Felt much lighter on the
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| Subject: | Re: Custom non STOL Elevator for CH 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Martyn,
Welcome to the list, Please NO!
I fly from 5,000 to 7,200 ft ASL strips here and the 701 flys PERFECT.
Please DONT MODIFY ANY airplane unless you are qualified to do it... Dont pay
atention to "hangar experts" dont get killed and damage the image of a great
airplane and the Sport just because one smart guy opinion.
I once heard: You want to make an airplane designer have a heart attack? Modify
his design :-) :-)
I will advice you: Before building ANY airplane, learn and read all possible
literature from "secure" source and if possible get a test flight and or some
videos of the airplane.
The 701 is just perfect as designed, for the intendend way to fly. No need
a STOL airplane?, or want a faster one? Or you have good landing strips?, then
chose another airplane.... the 601 for example.
Hope this helps, not mad at all, just frightened that you can get hurt...
No ofence intended.
And yes, all newbie builders (I was one of them 20 years and 3 projects ago).
think that they are smarter than any designer... Every modification for simple
as it looks can ADD about 100 hrs to the building time of the project...
been there done that...
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S
Flying from Chapala, Mexico
martyn@flight.co.za wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
Hello All,
We're waiting for our plans to arrive, and so as yet we have not started
building our plane. However, here in Johannesburg, South Africa, we are
about 6000 ft ASL. And the STOL performance figures quoted on the Zenith
site for the 701 will be very different up here.
I have heard from a 701 bulder here in South Africa, that the STOL
capabilities are a bit of an Overkill for South African flying conditions.
And that with the inverted elevator design, in a power off situation, the
nose tends to dip quite a lot.
So my question is this, Is it possible to Invert the inverted elevator?
What I mean to say, can we take the original elevator and invert it so
that the camber is on top! Thus making it a more traditional elevator?
Second question,
The leading edge slats are fixed, now, if i was to say, place the slats
flush with the wing, will that then give me the original NACA wing profile
that Chris Heintz used for this wing or is the NACA wing profile made up
of the Wing, the Slat and the Gap between the two?
Any comments and help will be greatly appreciated. I'm so looking forward
to starting on this plane. I've just gotta learn to be patient!
Kind Regards
Martyn Ward
www.Flight.co.za
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| Subject: | Re: Hole/Fly Cutter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Randy,
I had unpleasant fly cutter experiences too.
I found plain old tin snips to do a reasonable job. I start by
marking the finished hole line. Then I use a step drill to make a
hole big enough to start cutting with a nibbler. The nibbler cuts to
around 1/4 inch from the line. Then normal snips cut close to the
finished line and a combination of rat tail and half round file
finish the job. I takes longer to tell the procedure than to do
it. A final pass with file and/or emery cloth deburrs the hole.
Have fun,
Paul
XL wings
At 07:32 PM 5/10/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant"
><randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
>
>I made my first wing rib tonight! RR#1... It turned out great! =
>Straight as an arrow, nice clean crimps...etc... THEN I went to cut the =
>lightening holes and my hole/fly cutter is a piece of crap I bought off =
>eBay, and it cut the hole to 120mm... I've had trouble with this hole =
>cutter on the holes I've cut so far and have grown to hate it. That's =
>OK for now, I'll just hang the scrap rib on the wall as a reminder... =
>BUT, I'd like not make the same mistake again...
>
>Can anyone point me to a good hole/fly cutter to do this job?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Randy
>XL Wings - Plans Only
>http://www.N344RB.com
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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