---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/10/06: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:46 AM - Re: 1/4" hose to 3/8" (AN6) pipe (Martin Pohl) 2. 04:35 AM - Vs: Re: Re: Engine choices (Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com) 3. 04:50 AM - Have Plans, need Aluminium (martyn@flight.co.za) 4. 05:16 AM - Vs: Re: Engine choices (Mitch Hodges) 5. 05:59 AM - Re: Have Plans, need Aluminium (ROBERT SCEPPA) 6. 06:07 AM - Re: Have Plans, need Aluminium (Randy Bryant) 7. 07:17 AM - Turnbuckle question (Zed Smith) 8. 07:20 AM - Re: Engine Choices (Larry Martin) 9. 07:31 AM - Re: Have Plans, need Aluminium (n801bh@netzero.com) 10. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: Engine Choices (Michael Valentine) 11. 07:43 AM - Re: Turnbuckle question (n801bh@netzero.com) 12. 08:01 AM - Re: Have Plans, need Aluminium (martyn@flight.co.za) 13. 09:10 AM - Re: Question (Rick Lindstrom) 14. 10:01 AM - Corvair Day, Saturday May 20th at the Zenith factory in Mexico, MO (Craig Payne) 15. 10:29 AM - Re: Vs: Re: Engine choices (Thilo Kind) 16. 12:01 PM - Custom Sheet Metal Fabrication on a budget (Tom and Bren) 17. 12:53 PM - First flight N701MW (Bill Mileski) 18. 01:31 PM - Re: First flight N701MW (LarryMcFarland) 19. 01:31 PM - Re: First flight N701MW (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 20. 02:42 PM - source for oil filled nylon (ken smith) 21. 03:04 PM - Anyone know much about the upcoming CH 750? (Christopher Hazlitt) 22. 06:20 PM - Do I need controls and canopy yet? (Richard Vetterli) 23. 06:36 PM - Plans Revision Question (William Dominguez) 24. 06:54 PM - Re: First flight N701MW (John Maselli) 25. 07:24 PM - Re: Do I need controls and canopy yet? (Jaybannist@cs.com) 26. 07:35 PM - Hole/Fly Cutter (Randy Bryant) 27. 07:54 PM - Re: Anyone know much about the upcoming CH 750? (Ron Butterfield) 28. 08:03 PM - RE : Hole/Fly Cutter (Carlos Sa) 29. 08:24 PM - Re: Hole/Fly Cutter (Randy Bryant) 30. 09:07 PM - Re: Anyone know much about the upcoming CH 750? (Christopher Hazlitt) 31. 09:21 PM - Re: Plans Revision Question (kevinbonds) 32. 09:21 PM - Re: First flight N701MW (NYTerminat@aol.com) 33. 09:30 PM - Re: Custom non STOL Elevator for CH 701 (Gary Gower) 34. 10:16 PM - Re: Hole/Fly Cutter (Paul Mulwitz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:59 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 1/4" hose to 3/8" (AN6) pipe From: "Martin Pohl" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" Thank you, Frank! Martin -------- ________________________ Martin Pohl Zodiac XL QBK 8645 Jona, Switzerland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=33772#33772 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:10 AM PST US Subject: Vs: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Engine choices From: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com There is diesel engine for two seater Smart as well. At least Finnish pages... CDi, 69 kg, 699cm3, 100Nm/1800-2800, 30kw/4200rpm ------------------------------------------- "Frank Roskind" Vastaanottaja Lhettj: zenith-list@matronics.com owner-zenith-list Kopio -server@matronics .com Aihe Re: Re: Zenith-List: Engine choices 10.05.2006 00:46 Vastausta pyydetn kyttjlle zenith-list@matro nics.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Roskind" I went to www.smart.com and there they have a diesel for the four seater, but not for the other models. It is interesting that their otto cycle engines have two spark plugs per cylinder. Frank Roskind Do not archive From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Engine choices --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Hi Jari, I am located in Europe. Actually looking to find a good deal on a 60 kW Smart Roadster at the moment. Unfortuantely, prices are still too high. However, I haven't spent too much time on the Smart car at all, so it was new to me, that they also make a Diesel. For our American friends (since the Smart is not sold in the US): The Smart is a 2 seater car made by a JV with Chrysler Daimler. It is tiny even for European standards - you probably can load two of those things on the flat bed of a Ford 250 pickup. Engine is a 3 cyclinder 4 stroke engine (various hp versions available). A few guys came out with a Smart engine converted or airplane use . The engine is light weight, burns mogas, and produces around 100 hp. Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: Vs: Re: Zenith-List: Engine choices > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com > > > the Smart car engine is available in the Diesel version? Never heard > about > > that. Are you sure? > > In here, in Europe, almost all vehicles has two or more engine choices. > Gasoline, diesel, gas (butane)... > > http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/pic05/diesel-fk9-smart-engine.jpg > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > Jari Kaija > Electronic Designer > PKC Group Oyj > Vihikari 10 > FIN-90440 KEMPELE > FINLAND > Mobile: +358 (0)40 5200265 > Phone: +358 (0)201 752252 > TeleFax: +358 (0)201 752401 > jari.kaija@pkcgroup.com > http://www.pkcgroup.com > http://www.project-ch701.net > ------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:28 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Have Plans, need Aluminium From: martyn@flight.co.za --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za Hello, Anyone know somebody / company (States or Canada or Anywhere) apart from aircraftspruce that can send / ship 6061 T6 Sheets to South Africa. (Enough for a scratch built 701) I'm having a hell of a time trying to find somebody a: Reliable, b: Willing to ship to South Africa :( Regards Martyn Ward, do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:12 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Vs: Re: Engine choices From: "Mitch Hodges" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mitch Hodges" The Diesel Smart 2 seater is also on the Canadian pages. For those in the US that may be interested, there is one importer/"americanizer" () but they are focused only on the gas model and availability is very limited. The Canadian version cannot be registered in the US. Daimler-Benz keeps threatening to bring it to the US, but they are losing about $5,000 (US) on the ones they are selling in Europe so they're hesitant to do so. Rumors continue that they will do it "next year" and sell them through Mercedes dealers, but "next year" has been the last couple of model years. Personally, I'd buy two tomorrow if they were available (one for me for my way too long commute, one for my 17 year old). It fits both our "missions" when driving. I think the US market is ripe for this type of auto introduction, similar to the Civic introduction during the mid/late 70's gas crisis. Mitch "Way off topic" Hodges Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=33783#33783 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:35 AM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Have Plans, need Aluminium --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > You might try Yarde Metals in CT. They also have > surplus discount. --- martyn@flight.co.za wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > martyn@flight.co.za > > Hello, > > Anyone know somebody / company (States or Canada or > Anywhere) apart from > aircraftspruce that can send / ship 6061 T6 Sheets > to South Africa. > (Enough for a scratch built 701) I'm having a hell > of a time trying to > find somebody a: Reliable, b: Willing to ship to > South Africa :( > > Regards > > Martyn Ward, do not archive > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:07 AM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Have Plans, need Aluminium --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" You can try: http://www.yardemetals.com. They have been reliable...and very reasonably priced. I've bought all of my raw materials from them. I'm not sure about the shipping to South Africa though, but you can contact them and see... Thanks, Randy N344RB Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:43 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Have Plans, need Aluminium > --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za > > Hello, > > Anyone know somebody / company (States or Canada or Anywhere) apart from > aircraftspruce that can send / ship 6061 T6 Sheets to South Africa. > (Enough for a scratch built 701) I'm having a hell of a time trying to > find somebody a: Reliable, b: Willing to ship to South Africa :( > > Regards > > Martyn Ward, do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:24 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Turnbuckle question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith List, There are four turnbuckles used on the 701. Any comments as to use of the MS Clip-Lock units instead of the AN- items shown by ZAC? Seems that if the rudder cable lengths are cut correctly then none might be needed for the rudder. Comments? Regards, Zed/701/R912/90+%/golfball hailstorm about 6 A.M./do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:34 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Engine Choices From: Larry Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Martin For photos of a Smart diesel installed in a CH601, go to: http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo4.html. Last three pix at the bottom of the page. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:10 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Have Plans, need Aluminium --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" Ya got to be kiddin??? South Africa has 40+ million people and no one se= lls aluminum?? Do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- martyn@flight.co.za wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za Hello, Anyone know somebody / company (States or Canada or Anywhere) apart from= aircraftspruce that can send / ship 6061 T6 Sheets to South Africa. (Enough for a scratch built 701) I'm having a hell of a time trying to find somebody a: Reliable, b: Willing to ship to South Africa :( Regards Martyn Ward, do not archive = = = = = = =

Ya got to be kiddin??? South Africa has 40+ million people and = no one sells aluminum??

Do not archive


Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair= .com

-- martyn@flight.co.za wrote:
--> Zenit= h-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
Hello,

Anyone know somebody / company (= States or Canada or Anywhere) apart fromaircraftspruce that can send / ship 6061=  T6 Sheets to South Africa.
(Enough for=  a scratch built 701) I'm having a&nb= sp;hell of a time trying to
find somebo= dy a: Reliable, b: Willing to ship to=  South Africa :(

Regards

Martyn Ward,&= = =     - The Zenith-List Email Foru= ist utilities such as the Subscriptions pa= sp;           &nb= sp;           &nb= sp;           &nb= =


 
 
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:23 AM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Engine Choices --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine" Does anyone know whose plane that is? It would be interesting to learn mor= e about. Michael Valentine On 5/10/06, Larry Martin wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Martin > > For photos of a Smart diesel installed in a CH601, go to: > > http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo4.html. > > Last three pix at the bottom of the page. > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:18 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Turnbuckle question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" You will never get it cut the exact right length,,, I don't think do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Zed Smith wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith List, There are four turnbuckles used on the 701. Any comments as to use of the MS Clip-Lock units instead of the AN- item= s shown by ZAC? Seems that if the rudder cable lengths are cut correctly then none might= be needed for the rudder. Comments? Regards, Zed/701/R912/90+%/golfball hailstorm about 6 A.M./do not archive = = = = = = =

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N801BH
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________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Have Plans, need Aluminium From: martyn@flight.co.za --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za Not in the thickness's and small quantities I require! If I want to build an Armour plated Flying Tank from 2mm plate and Up...... No problem! And FYI the Majority of those 40 million are living below the breadline. Regards, Do not Archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" > > > Ya got to be kiddin??? South Africa has 40+ million people and no one se= > lls aluminum?? > Do not archive > > > Ben Haas > N801BH > www.haaspowerair.com > > -- martyn@flight.co.za wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za > > Hello, > > Anyone know somebody / company (States or Canada or Anywhere) apart from= > > aircraftspruce that can send / ship 6061 T6 Sheets to South Africa. > (Enough for a scratch built 701) I'm having a hell of a time trying to > find somebody a: Reliable, b: Willing to ship to South Africa :( > > Regards > > Martyn Ward, do not archive > > > = > > > = > > > = > > = > > > = > > = > > = > > >

Ya got to be kiddin??? South Africa has 40+ million people and = > no one sells aluminum??

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N801BH
www.haaspowerair= > .com

-- martyn@flight.co.za wrote:
--> Zenit= > h-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
>Hello,

Anyone know somebody / company (= > States or Canada or Anywhere) apart from R>aircraftspruce that can send / ship 6061= >  T6 Sheets to South Africa.
(Enough for= >  a scratch built 701) I'm having a&nb= > sp;hell of a time trying to
find somebo= > dy a: Reliable, b: Willing to ship to= >  South Africa :(

Regards

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> > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:50 AM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Lindstrom Persistance. And don't forget about the wildfires in the area. His whole crew was unable to get in to the shop earlier this week due to the closure of I95, so I'd wait until the smoke clears a bit. Best, Rick Lindstrom Gpjann@aol.com wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gpjann@aol.com > >Does anyone know the key to being able to contact WW, the Corvair Authority? > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:07 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair Day, Saturday May 20th at the Zenith factory in Mexico, MO --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" If you are at all interested in Corvair engines in aircraft, especially one designed by Zenith then this should be of interest to you. Zenith will be hosting an open house with William Wynne at their factory on the 20th. This would allow you to get your facts first-hand about the planes, the engine and the combination. This open house is also significant for 701 builders. In the past the Heintz's and William have debated whether the Corvair is a suitable engine for the 701. They now believe that it is a feasible configuration. William likes to build and fly designs before he offers them for sale. So part of the reason for this trip is to pick up a complete 701 kit. Although William's Corvair-powered 601XL will *not* be there they will have two converted engines, conversion manuals and a selection of the other products that William sells. Details at www.flycorvair.com/hangar.html I've visited both William and the Zenith factory. If you are evaluating the Corvair engine and can make it to the factory on this day I think you would find the day invaluable. No, I don't work for William. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:05 AM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vs: Re: Engine choices --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Hi Mitch, I believe, there is quite a market for the Smart in the US - just fit it with a mower and sell it as an airconditioned lawn mower.... do not archive... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitch Hodges" Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:13 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Vs: Re: Engine choices > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mitch Hodges" > > The Diesel Smart 2 seater is also on the Canadian pages. > > For those in the US that may be interested, there is one importer/"americanizer" () but they are focused only on the gas model and availability is very limited. The Canadian version cannot be registered in the US. > > Daimler-Benz keeps threatening to bring it to the US, but they are losing about $5,000 (US) on the ones they are selling in Europe so they're hesitant to do so. Rumors continue that they will do it "next year" and sell them through Mercedes dealers, but "next year" has been the last couple of model years. > > Personally, I'd buy two tomorrow if they were available (one for me for my way too long commute, one for my 17 year old). It fits both our "missions" when driving. I think the US market is ripe for this type of auto introduction, similar to the Civic introduction during the mid/late 70's gas crisis. > > Mitch "Way off topic" Hodges > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=33783#33783 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:26 PM PST US From: Tom and Bren Subject: Zenith-List: Custom Sheet Metal Fabrication on a budget --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tom and Bren (RE-POSTED from the Oregon-EAA Yahoo group) Ok, I've been one of the quite ones so far. This will be my first post. I'm in the middle of scratch building a Zenith 601 XL (It is TOO a real airplane!), and have come to GREATLY appreciate the CNC punches, lasers, and brakes we have at work. I'd like to offer help to anyone looking for CNC fabrication, as long as it pertains to their aircraft projects. I can deliver most anything you'll need within 10 to 14 days, probably sooner. So to make this short, be it instument cut-outs, a complete custom panel, or just replacement airframe parts, let me know if I can help you out. Pricing will be different for every project, but will almost always be cheaper than a factory replacement or a standard job shop quote. Please, only aircraft parts or fixtures. This is just to help out the other adventurous folks who live with their heads in the clouds. Oh, and check Zenith Aircraft first. They're good people with good pricing. I can't supply their parts, but if you want something you can't get from them or need custom programing or CAD work done, drop me a line. Tom Henderson McMinnville, OR 97128 971-241-5035 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:17 PM PST US From: Bill Mileski Subject: Zenith-List: First flight N701MW --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Mileski Hello all, Well, I know you guys haven't heard too much from me lately, but I wanted to let you know that N701MW, a CH-701 from a year 2000 kit, with a 912S, made its first flights last weekend. Calm wind, 7000 foot runway, early morning, clear skies, in southern Rhode Island (at sea level). For the very interested, there is a slide show my wife posted to a web site. The flight and day turned out perfectly. Preliminary, uncalibrated data: After a high-speed taxi test, takeoff with slow advance to full throttle yielded surprising acceleration, and climb speed chosen was 60mph. Unverified instruments, but VSI indicated approximately 1300 fpm. Leveled off and reduced to 4800 rpm and saw approximately 85mph indicated, which was more than the plan for first flight, so reduced rpm and flew the traffic pattern several times at 75mph indicated (pitot/static on left wing) at 4250rpm. Static rpm is 5300, prop is three blade Woodcomp fixed pitch 68" diam. Felt much lighter on the controls than the C152 I've been flying, stick displacements are minimal during flight. Instruments are VFR steam type, with extras a radio, transponder, a 4-channel EGT, and a combination digital fuel pressure/ammeter/voltmeter. Pitch and roll are light, very little stick displacement, but easy to adjust to. Rudder requires a little breakout force from the nylon self-centering blocks. Rudder is required for coordination, and rudder feedback is lower than that of the C152. Rudder use seems to call for small displacements to achieve plenty of yaw at cruise speeds. Landing was 60mph indicated right to the flare, and no flaps. Touchdown reminded me that our feet is linked to the nose wheel directly with threaded rod, so you are well informed if the rudder is not perfectly centered at nose gear touch. Handling seemed intuitive. I had to adjust my elevator trim tab for more "up" authority. Otherwise, no changes yet. I don't think I have a heavy wing, but more flights will give me a better idea. I will use the GPS and get a better idea of instrument accuracy soon. Thanks for all the information over the years, and aside from all that info above that I assumed you guys wanted to hear, it was a BLAST! Much more fun than I ever anticipated. Bill Mileski http://francesmileski.typepad.com/francesmileski/files/maiden_voyage.wmv (pretty large .wmv file, with goofy music to boot, only for the serious addict) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:35 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight N701MW --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Bill, Congratulations! You've got a really nice craft there. Well done! Sure enjoyed your video too. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Bill Mileski wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Mileski > >Hello all, > >Well, I know you guys haven't heard too much from me lately, but I >wanted to let you know that N701MW, a CH-701 from a year 2000 kit, >with a 912S, made its first flights last weekend. Calm wind, 7000 >foot runway, early morning, clear skies, in southern Rhode Island (at >sea level). For the very interested, there is a slide show my wife >posted to a web site. The flight and day turned out perfectly. > > I assumed you guys wanted to hear, it was a >BLAST! Much more fun than I ever anticipated. > >Bill Mileski > >http://francesmileski.typepad.com/francesmileski/files/maiden_voyage.wmv >(pretty large .wmv file, with goofy music to boot, only for the serious addict) > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:35 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First flight N701MW From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Good job Bill....That music is PAINFULL!...:) One question...Did you do the paint job yourself?...if so whay did you use and what was your experience in painting. How were the graphics done? Thanks Frank HDS 400 hours RV7a nearly finished. Bill Mileski http://francesmileski.typepad.com/francesmileski/files/maiden_voyage.wmv (pretty large .wmv file, with goofy music to boot, only for the serious addict) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:27 PM PST US From: ken smith Subject: Zenith-List: source for oil filled nylon --> Zenith-List message posted by: ken smith Does anybody have a source for oil or mds filled cast nylon?. Mc Master has it but only 12x12 sheet (I need 4x4x1.5) thanks Ken --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:40 PM PST US From: Christopher Hazlitt Subject: Zenith-List: Anyone know much about the upcoming CH 750? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Christopher Hazlitt Hello, I have been looking very closely at the CH 701 as the STOL sport aircraft of choice to get in and out of my little 300 X 600 foot property but from what little I am able to find on the Zenith air web site the CH 750 is closer to what I should have. This is what I know so far: 2 foot wider wingspan 2 inches wider cabin Longer fuselage (for what? luggage?) Increased gross weight to Sport Aircraft limit. Does anyone know anymore more than this? I can't seem to find more about it, perhaps because Zenith air is being very tight lipped, for good reason. Christopher Hazlitt, Palmer Alaska --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:45 PM PST US From: Richard Vetterli Subject: Zenith-List: Do I need controls and canopy yet? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli As the work on my wings is progressing, I'm getting ready to place my order for the fuselage and landing gear kits. Is there any reason why I need to order the canopy kit or the controls kit yet? Can they wait until I'm well into the fuselage, or will I regret not having them earlier? Thanks for any advise. Rich Vetterli XL/Corvair www.geocities.com/stixx5a __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:25 PM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Zenith-List: Plans Revision Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez I would like to make my fuselage as described in the most recent version of the plans, using .025 for the rear bottom and side skins however, Ive already made most of the tail part as described on a previous version of the plans using .016 for the skin and most ribs. Is there any problem if I install a rudder and stabilizer made with the older plans to a fuselage made with the newer plans. Thanks William Dominguez Plansbuilt Zodiac 601XL Back on building __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:58 PM PST US From: John Maselli Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First flight N701MW --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Maselli CONGRATS, Great slides by the way!!! Life is beautiful! John Maselli A Computer Consulting 516-524-0420 _____ I've stopped 1,014 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at www.cloudmark.com Cloudmark SpamNet - Join the fight against spam! -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mileski Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: First flight N701MW --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Mileski Hello all, Well, I know you guys haven't heard too much from me lately, but I wanted to let you know that N701MW, a CH-701 from a year 2000 kit, with a 912S, made its first flights last weekend. Calm wind, 7000 foot runway, early morning, clear skies, in southern Rhode Island (at sea level). For the very interested, there is a slide show my wife posted to a web site. The flight and day turned out perfectly. Preliminary, uncalibrated data: After a high-speed taxi test, takeoff with slow advance to full throttle yielded surprising acceleration, and climb speed chosen was 60mph. Unverified instruments, but VSI indicated approximately 1300 fpm. Leveled off and reduced to 4800 rpm and saw approximately 85mph indicated, which was more than the plan for first flight, so reduced rpm and flew the traffic pattern several times at 75mph indicated (pitot/static on left wing) at 4250rpm. Static rpm is 5300, prop is three blade Woodcomp fixed pitch 68" diam. Felt much lighter on the controls than the C152 I've been flying, stick displacements are minimal during flight. Instruments are VFR steam type, with extras a radio, transponder, a 4-channel EGT, and a combination digital fuel pressure/ammeter/voltmeter. Pitch and roll are light, very little stick displacement, but easy to adjust to. Rudder requires a little breakout force from the nylon self-centering blocks. Rudder is required for coordination, and rudder feedback is lower than that of the C152. Rudder use seems to call for small displacements to achieve plenty of yaw at cruise speeds. Landing was 60mph indicated right to the flare, and no flaps. Touchdown reminded me that our feet is linked to the nose wheel directly with threaded rod, so you are well informed if the rudder is not perfectly centered at nose gear touch. Handling seemed intuitive. I had to adjust my elevator trim tab for more "up" authority. Otherwise, no changes yet. I don't think I have a heavy wing, but more flights will give me a better idea. I will use the GPS and get a better idea of instrument accuracy soon. Thanks for all the information over the years, and aside from all that info above that I assumed you guys wanted to hear, it was a BLAST! Much more fun than I ever anticipated. Bill Mileski http://francesmileski.typepad.com/francesmileski/files/maiden_voyage.wmv (pretty large .wmv file, with goofy music to boot, only for the serious addict) ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:46 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Do I need controls and canopy yet? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com Rich, I ordered the controls kit right after the wings kit so that I could get the aileron cables tied to the bellcranks before I closed the wings. Jay do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:11 PM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Zenith-List: Hole/Fly Cutter --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" I made my first wing rib tonight! RR#1... It turned out great! = Straight as an arrow, nice clean crimps...etc... THEN I went to cut the = lightening holes and my hole/fly cutter is a piece of crap I bought off = eBay, and it cut the hole to 120mm... I've had trouble with this hole = cutter on the holes I've cut so far and have grown to hate it. That's = OK for now, I'll just hang the scrap rib on the wall as a reminder... = BUT, I'd like not make the same mistake again... Can anyone point me to a good hole/fly cutter to do this job? Thanks in advance, Randy XL Wings - Plans Only http://www.N344RB.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:23 PM PST US From: Ron Butterfield Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Anyone know much about the upcoming CH 750? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield At 06:02 PM 5/10/2006, Christopher Hazlitt wrote: > > I have been looking very closely at the CH 701 as the STOL sport > aircraft of choice to get in and out of my little 300 X 600 foot > property but from what little I am able to find on the Zenith air > web site the CH 750 is closer to what I should have. > > Does anyone know anymore more than this? I can't seem to find > more about it, perhaps because Zenith air is being very tight > lipped, for good reason. It's new, and has not yet flown. It is a good thing that they aren't crowing about what it can do until they know for sure that it will do it ;-) This page http://www.zenithair.com//news/ch750.html does say that the new plane will be sold only as a complete airplane, not as kit or plans. > Regards, RonB ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:06 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: RE : Zenith-List: Hole/Fly Cutter --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Randy, I've been using a "hardware store grade" one with decent results. All (CH601-HD) rib and spar lightening holes done. Good luck Carlos do not archive (after all, it's just 2 cents) --- Randy Bryant a crit : > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" > > I made my first wing rib tonight! RR#1... It turned out great! = > Straight as an arrow, nice clean crimps...etc... THEN I went to cut the = > lightening holes and my hole/fly cutter is a piece of crap I bought off = > eBay, and it cut the hole to 120mm... I've had trouble with this hole = > cutter on the holes I've cut so far and have grown to hate it. That's = > OK for now, I'll just hang the scrap rib on the wall as a reminder... = > BUT, I'd like not make the same mistake again... > > Can anyone point me to a good hole/fly cutter to do this job? > > Thanks in advance, > > Randy > XL Wings - Plans Only > http://www.N344RB.com __________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:59 PM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hole/Fly Cutter --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" Thanks all, I just purchased another one, this time what looks like a more sturdy built one with carbide cutting blade... We'll see how this works out... Thanks much, Randy XL Wings - Plans Only http://www.N344RB.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Sa" Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: RE : Zenith-List: Hole/Fly Cutter > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa > > Randy, I've been using a "hardware store grade" one with decent results. > > All (CH601-HD) rib and spar lightening holes done. > > Good luck > > Carlos > do not archive (after all, it's just 2 cents) > > > --- Randy Bryant a crit : > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" >> >> >> I made my first wing rib tonight! RR#1... It turned out great! = >> Straight as an arrow, nice clean crimps...etc... THEN I went to cut the >> = >> lightening holes and my hole/fly cutter is a piece of crap I bought off = >> eBay, and it cut the hole to 120mm... I've had trouble with this hole = >> cutter on the holes I've cut so far and have grown to hate it. That's = >> OK for now, I'll just hang the scrap rib on the wall as a reminder... = >> BUT, I'd like not make the same mistake again... >> >> Can anyone point me to a good hole/fly cutter to do this job? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Randy >> XL Wings - Plans Only >> http://www.N344RB.com > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:22 PM PST US From: Christopher Hazlitt Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Anyone know much about the upcoming CH 750? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Christopher Hazlitt Dag nabbit! Only a production plane. Thanks, I missed that on their site. Chris Ron Butterfield wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield At 06:02 PM 5/10/2006, Christopher Hazlitt wrote: > > I have been looking very closely at the CH 701 as the STOL sport > aircraft of choice to get in and out of my little 300 X 600 foot > property but from what little I am able to find on the Zenith air > web site the CH 750 is closer to what I should have. > > Does anyone know anymore more than this? I can't seem to find > more about it, perhaps because Zenith air is being very tight > lipped, for good reason. It's new, and has not yet flown. It is a good thing that they aren't crowing about what it can do until they know for sure that it will do it ;-) This page http://www.zenithair.com//news/ch750.html does say that the new plane will be sold only as a complete airplane, not as kit or plans. > Regards, RonB --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:53 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Plans Revision Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Yes, be aware that the location of the Front HT frame has been moved on the new plans. I am using the old location and dimensions instead of the new. Take a look at my website here: http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds/HT_frame_problem.htm Should help. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Dominguez Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Plans Revision Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez I would like to make my fuselage as described in the most recent version of the plans, using .025 for the rear bottom and side skins however, Ive already made most of the tail part as described on a previous version of the plans using .016 for the skin and most ribs. Is there any problem if I install a rudder and stabilizer made with the older plans to a fuselage made with the newer plans. Thanks William Dominguez Plansbuilt Zodiac 601XL Back on building __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:53 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight N701MW --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com Bill Congratulations Sounds like you are getting faster speeds than I am. What pitch do you have your prop set at? In a message dated 5/10/2006 3:54:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mileski@sonalysts.com writes: Leveled off and reduced to 4800 rpm and saw approximately 85mph indicated, which was more than the plan for first flight, so reduced rpm and flew the traffic pattern several times at 75mph indicated (pitot/static on left wing) at 4250rpm. Static rpm is 5300, prop is three blade Woodcomp fixed pitch 68" diam. Felt much lighter on the ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:55 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Custom non STOL Elevator for CH 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Martyn, Welcome to the list, Please NO! I fly from 5,000 to 7,200 ft ASL strips here and the 701 flys PERFECT. Please DONT MODIFY ANY airplane unless you are qualified to do it... Dont pay atention to "hangar experts" dont get killed and damage the image of a great airplane and the Sport just because one smart guy opinion. I once heard: You want to make an airplane designer have a heart attack? Modify his design :-) :-) I will advice you: Before building ANY airplane, learn and read all possible literature from "secure" source and if possible get a test flight and or some videos of the airplane. The 701 is just perfect as designed, for the intendend way to fly. No need a STOL airplane?, or want a faster one? Or you have good landing strips?, then chose another airplane.... the 601 for example. Hope this helps, not mad at all, just frightened that you can get hurt... No ofence intended. And yes, all newbie builders (I was one of them 20 years and 3 projects ago). think that they are smarter than any designer... Every modification for simple as it looks can ADD about 100 hrs to the building time of the project... been there done that... Saludos Gary Gower 701 912S Flying from Chapala, Mexico martyn@flight.co.za wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za Hello All, We're waiting for our plans to arrive, and so as yet we have not started building our plane. However, here in Johannesburg, South Africa, we are about 6000 ft ASL. And the STOL performance figures quoted on the Zenith site for the 701 will be very different up here. I have heard from a 701 bulder here in South Africa, that the STOL capabilities are a bit of an Overkill for South African flying conditions. And that with the inverted elevator design, in a power off situation, the nose tends to dip quite a lot. So my question is this, Is it possible to Invert the inverted elevator? What I mean to say, can we take the original elevator and invert it so that the camber is on top! Thus making it a more traditional elevator? Second question, The leading edge slats are fixed, now, if i was to say, place the slats flush with the wing, will that then give me the original NACA wing profile that Chris Heintz used for this wing or is the NACA wing profile made up of the Wing, the Slat and the Gap between the two? Any comments and help will be greatly appreciated. I'm so looking forward to starting on this plane. I've just gotta learn to be patient! Kind Regards Martyn Ward www.Flight.co.za --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:06 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hole/Fly Cutter --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Randy, I had unpleasant fly cutter experiences too. I found plain old tin snips to do a reasonable job. I start by marking the finished hole line. Then I use a step drill to make a hole big enough to start cutting with a nibbler. The nibbler cuts to around 1/4 inch from the line. Then normal snips cut close to the finished line and a combination of rat tail and half round file finish the job. I takes longer to tell the procedure than to do it. A final pass with file and/or emery cloth deburrs the hole. Have fun, Paul XL wings At 07:32 PM 5/10/2006, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" > > >I made my first wing rib tonight! RR#1... It turned out great! = >Straight as an arrow, nice clean crimps...etc... THEN I went to cut the = >lightening holes and my hole/fly cutter is a piece of crap I bought off = >eBay, and it cut the hole to 120mm... I've had trouble with this hole = >cutter on the holes I've cut so far and have grown to hate it. That's = >OK for now, I'll just hang the scrap rib on the wall as a reminder... = >BUT, I'd like not make the same mistake again... > >Can anyone point me to a good hole/fly cutter to do this job? > >Thanks in advance, > >Randy >XL Wings - Plans Only >http://www.N344RB.com > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 ---------------------------------------------