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1. 03:33 AM - Re: Custom non STOL Elevator for CH 701 (Jean-Paul Roy)
2. 05:21 AM - Re: First flight N701MW (Tommy Walker)
3. 05:53 AM - Re: First flight N701MW (Al Young)
4. 08:25 AM - First flight N701MW (Rick R)
5. 08:36 AM - Re: First flight N701MW (Bill Mileski)
6. 09:34 AM - Re: First flight N701MW (Bill Mileski)
7. 09:43 AM - Re: Hole/Fly Cutter (ROBERT SCEPPA)
8. 09:53 AM - 601 FWF (John Anderson)
9. 10:09 AM - FWF $3000 (John Anderson)
10. 10:21 AM - Using GPS for TAS. (Paul Mulwitz)
11. 10:21 AM - Harbor Freight Riveter - Stem ejection. (Paul Mulwitz)
12. 11:13 AM - Best landing of my life! (Jack Russell)
13. 11:24 AM - Re: Fly Cutter /Drill-Nibble-Snip-File (sorry this is long) (N5SL)
14. 12:39 PM - Re: Fly Cutter /Drill-Nibble-Snip-File (sorry this is long) (Geoff Heap)
15. 01:08 PM - Re: Engine choices (Gig Giacona)
16. 01:12 PM - Re: Do I need controls and canopy yet? (Gig Giacona)
17. 01:54 PM - Re: Engine choices (Martin Pohl)
18. 01:55 PM - Re: Using GPS for TAS. (Bill Steer)
19. 02:46 PM - kit bill of materials (ken smith)
20. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Engine choices (Craig Payne)
21. 03:50 PM - Re: kit bill of materials (Paul Mulwitz)
22. 05:32 PM - Corvair engine (Gpjann@aol.com)
23. 06:27 PM - Re: Corvair engine (Craig Payne)
24. 06:39 PM - Re: Harbor Freight Riveter - Stem ejection. (Dave)
25. 07:15 PM - Re: Harbor Freight Riveter - Stem ejection. (Ron Lendon)
26. 07:18 PM - Re: kit bill of materials (Ron Lendon)
27. 07:23 PM - Re: Harbor Freight Riveter - Stem ejection. (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
28. 07:31 PM - Re: First flight N701MW (RURUNY@aol.com)
29. 09:55 PM - Re: source for oil filled nylon (JohnDRead@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Custom non STOL Elevator for CH 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
Very wise advise here
Jean-Paul Roy
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Custom non STOL Elevator for CH 701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello Martyn,
>
> Welcome to the list, Please NO!
>
> I fly from 5,000 to 7,200 ft ASL strips here and the 701 flys PERFECT.
>
> Please DONT MODIFY ANY airplane unless you are qualified to do it...
Dont pay atention to "hangar experts" dont get killed and damage the image
of a great airplane and the Sport just because one smart guy opinion.
>
> I once heard: You want to make an airplane designer have a heart
attack? Modify his design :-) :-)
>
> I will advice you: Before building ANY airplane, learn and read all
possible literature from "secure" source and if possible get a test flight
and or some videos of the airplane.
>
> The 701 is just perfect as designed, for the intendend way to fly. No
need a STOL airplane?, or want a faster one? Or you have good landing
strips?, then chose another airplane.... the 601 for example.
>
> Hope this helps, not mad at all, just frightened that you can get
hurt... No ofence intended.
>
> And yes, all newbie builders (I was one of them 20 years and 3 projects
ago). think that they are smarter than any designer... Every modification
for simple as it looks can ADD about 100 hrs to the building time of the
project... been there done that...
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
> 701 912S
> Flying from Chapala, Mexico
>
>
> martyn@flight.co.za wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
>
> Hello All,
>
> We're waiting for our plans to arrive, and so as yet we have not started
> building our plane. However, here in Johannesburg, South Africa, we are
> about 6000 ft ASL. And the STOL performance figures quoted on the Zenith
> site for the 701 will be very different up here.
>
> I have heard from a 701 bulder here in South Africa, that the STOL
> capabilities are a bit of an Overkill for South African flying conditions.
> And that with the inverted elevator design, in a power off situation, the
> nose tends to dip quite a lot.
>
> So my question is this, Is it possible to Invert the inverted elevator?
> What I mean to say, can we take the original elevator and invert it so
> that the camber is on top! Thus making it a more traditional elevator?
>
> Second question,
>
> The leading edge slats are fixed, now, if i was to say, place the slats
> flush with the wing, will that then give me the original NACA wing profile
> that Chris Heintz used for this wing or is the NACA wing profile made up
> of the Wing, the Slat and the Gap between the two?
>
> Any comments and help will be greatly appreciated. I'm so looking forward
> to starting on this plane. I've just gotta learn to be patient!
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Martyn Ward
> www.Flight.co.za
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N701MW |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
Congratulations Bill!!
I appreciate the information your first flight. Please keep us informed.
As I wrote you several months ago, I plan to use the same color scheme as
you if I can find someone down here in nowhere land to design the graphics.
Again, Congrats!!
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N701MW |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@mchsi.com>
Bill- Congratulations! Great flight. Thanks for the pics. You've got a
hansome co-pilot there also. Many more safe and happy flights to you.
Al Young
601xl
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From: "Bill Mileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:49 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: First flight N701MW
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Mileski <mileski@sonalysts.com>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Well, I know you guys haven't heard too much from me lately, but I
> wanted to let you know that N701MW, a CH-701 from a year 2000 kit,
> with a 912S, made its first flights last weekend. Calm wind, 7000
> foot runway, early morning, clear skies, in southern Rhode Island (at
> sea level). For the very interested, there is a slide show my wife
> posted to a web site. The flight and day turned out perfectly.
>
> Preliminary, uncalibrated data:
> After a high-speed taxi test, takeoff with slow advance to full
> throttle yielded surprising acceleration, and climb speed chosen was
> 60mph. Unverified instruments, but VSI indicated approximately 1300
> fpm. Leveled off and reduced to 4800 rpm and saw approximately 85mph
> indicated, which was more than the plan for first flight, so reduced
> rpm and flew the traffic pattern several times at 75mph indicated
> (pitot/static on left wing) at 4250rpm. Static rpm is 5300, prop is
> three blade Woodcomp fixed pitch 68" diam. Felt much lighter on the
> controls than the C152 I've been flying, stick displacements are
> minimal during flight. Instruments are VFR steam type, with extras a
> radio, transponder, a 4-channel EGT, and a combination digital fuel
> pressure/ammeter/voltmeter.
>
> Pitch and roll are light, very little stick displacement, but easy to
> adjust to. Rudder requires a little breakout force from the nylon
> self-centering blocks. Rudder is required for coordination, and
> rudder feedback is lower than that of the C152. Rudder use seems to
> call for small displacements to achieve plenty of yaw at cruise speeds.
>
> Landing was 60mph indicated right to the flare, and no
> flaps. Touchdown reminded me that our feet is linked to the nose
> wheel directly with threaded rod, so you are well informed if the
> rudder is not perfectly centered at nose gear touch. Handling seemed
> intuitive. I had to adjust my elevator trim tab for more "up"
> authority. Otherwise, no changes yet. I don't think I have a heavy
> wing, but more flights will give me a better idea. I will use the
> GPS and get a better idea of instrument accuracy soon.
>
> Thanks for all the information over the years, and aside from all
> that info above that I assumed you guys wanted to hear, it was a
> BLAST! Much more fun than I ever anticipated.
>
> Bill Mileski
>
> http://francesmileski.typepad.com/francesmileski/files/maiden_voyage.wmv
> (pretty large .wmv file, with goofy music to boot, only for the serious
> addict)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | First flight N701MW |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R <rick@n701rr.com>
Boo-Yah Bill. Love the graphics. Hook us up !
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| Subject: | RE: First flight N701MW |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Mileski <mileski@sonalysts.com>
Frank,
Heh heh. Yes, apparently my wife wanted to add kind of a light humor
to the video when she added that music. I hear it in my sleep now..
The paint is a Dupont system: Variprime etching primer, followed by
a light coat of Dupont Corlar Epoxy Primer/Sealer, and the color coat
is Dupont Imron. I called Dupont awhile back and they recommended
this as the preferred process for aluminum. That said, not sure I'd
do it again, I'd maybe skip the Corlar sealer (the Variprime is kind
of porous, and they wanted a sealer before the Imron), and maybe use
a less expensive polyurethane. I think I paid top dollar, and the
result is probably pretty heavy. I primed all pieces of the skeleton
with Variprime, as I thought I might consider amphibious floats someday.
I sprayed the primers, but left the color coat to an autobody shop
close to my home, owned by an airplane owner, who made me a pretty
good deal on the labor. Imron is cured with isocyanates which can
literally be lethal to breathe, as well as cause lifelong health
effects at reduced exposure. They spray it with a Scott airpack on.
The Variprime is not risk free by any means, either. And my shop was
below my master bedroom.
My paint experience is not extensive, I've painted motorcycle gas
tanks and such with moderate success, and I was actually looking
forward to doing the Imron myself, for good or bad, until I chose to
avoid the health risk. I did spray the struts and fairings, and it
seemed pretty easy to get it wet enough to flow glossy, without too many sags.
The graphics are computer generated vinyl self-adhesive. I have a
friend that owns a business that sells mobile graphic design trailers
to people who want to do on-site graphics. It was very convenient,
and getting the design I envisioned was pretty easy and quick. It
was all done right at the hangar.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N701MW |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Mileski <mileski@sonalysts.com>
Regarding the speeds.. I will be using the WAAS-capable GPS to get a
handle on ASI accuracy.. On first flight with about 5 kts wind on the
ground, on an upwind leg I held 75mph on the ASI and saw 62mph ground
speed on the GPS at 1300' AGL.. And on the second flight with
10-15kts on the ground, on a downwind leg, I held 75mph on the ASI
and saw 89mph ground speed on the GPS also at 1300'. I need to do
some work to get a better handle on the ASI..
Regarding the prop pitch, I can't remember right now what the actual
pitch number was.. the Woodcomp I put a Warp Drive protractor at the
tip, with the outboard edge of the protractor against the inboard
edge of the red tip paint (but vertical), and I want to say it was
almost 18 degrees, but I will try and confirm. The static RPM was
5300 at sea level, and during climb at 60mph I don't think I saw more
than 5450 or so. Better information to come.
Bill
>
>
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>
>Bill
>
>
>Congratulations
>
>
>Sounds like you are getting faster speeds than I am. What pitch do you have
>
>your prop set at?
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| Subject: | Re: Hole/Fly Cutter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> I have a fly/cutter that I bought in a hardware
store
> and its a heavy duty one. I cut all the holes in my
> spar web and the tip spar. I haven't done it on the
> ribs yet, but I am sure I won't have a problem.
> Make sure you clamp the piece securely. My latest
> desire now is to flange the holes. I am working on
> a tool to do such a job using a drill press. I have
> 2 sets of nylon wheels spinning around in the press
> and as you apply pressure it should bend the flange
> evenly around the edged of the hole. Haven't tried
> out yet, still tweaking the tool to get it working.
> Bob S.
--- Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Randy,
>
> I had unpleasant fly cutter experiences too.
>
> I found plain old tin snips to do a reasonable job.
> I start by
> marking the finished hole line. Then I use a step
> drill to make a
> hole big enough to start cutting with a nibbler.
> The nibbler cuts to
> around 1/4 inch from the line. Then normal snips
> cut close to the
> finished line and a combination of rat tail and half
> round file
> finish the job. I takes longer to tell the
> procedure than to do
> it. A final pass with file and/or emery cloth
> deburrs the hole.
>
> Have fun,
>
> Paul
> XL wings
>
>
> At 07:32 PM 5/10/2006, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant"
> ><randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
> >
> >I made my first wing rib tonight! RR#1... It
> turned out great! =
> >Straight as an arrow, nice clean crimps...etc...
> THEN I went to cut the =
> >lightening holes and my hole/fly cutter is a piece
> of crap I bought off =
> >eBay, and it cut the hole to 120mm... I've had
> trouble with this hole =
> >cutter on the holes I've cut so far and have grown
> to hate it. That's =
> >OK for now, I'll just hang the scrap rib on the
> wall as a reminder... =
> >BUT, I'd like not make the same mistake again...
> >
> >Can anyone point me to a good hole/fly cutter to do
> this job?
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >Randy
> >XL Wings - Plans Only
> >http://www.N344RB.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> ---------------------------------------------
> Paul Mulwitz
> 32013 NE Dial Road
> Camas, WA 98607
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <ande437@bellsouth.net>
601 Firewall forward. Mount, cowling, exhaust, prop and Revmaster 2100 =
DQ with 42 hours since back from factory. New crank, cam, etc. Revmaster =
will verify. Engine has dual mags, 20 amp alternator, oil cooler, oil =
filter and fuel injection.
John
ande437@bellsouth
205.672.7152
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <ande437@bellsouth.net>
Sorry, I forgot the price and do not archive on the previous post
601 Firewall forward. Mount, cowling, exhaust, prop and Revmaster 2100DQ =
with 42 hours since back from factory. New cam, crank, etc.. Revmaster =
will verify. Engine has dual mags, oil cooler, oil filter, 20 amp =
alternator and fuel injection.
John
205.672.7152
ande437@bellsouth.net
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| Subject: | Using GPS for TAS. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Bill,
There are a number of true airspeed calculators on the net which you
can use to calculate your actual speed. I found many of them by
searching with the string "GPS airspeed calculator" on google.
One of the first ones found was
http://www.csgnetwork.com/tasgpscalc.html which looks like it might
be helpful. Most of the good ones require you fly three legs with 90
degree turns and record the indicated airspeed for both your steam
gauge and GPS. The calculators solve the geometry and tell you what
the wind was and your actual true airspeed.
Good luck,
Paul
XL wings
>Regarding the speeds.. I will be using the WAAS-capable GPS to get a
>handle on ASI accuracy.. On first flight with about 5 kts wind on the
>ground, on an upwind leg I held 75mph on the ASI and saw 62mph ground
>speed on the GPS at 1300' AGL.. And on the second flight with
>10-15kts on the ground, on a downwind leg, I held 75mph on the ASI
>and saw 89mph ground speed on the GPS also at 1300'. I need to do
>some work to get a better handle on the ASI..
-
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| Subject: | Harbor Freight Riveter - Stem ejection. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
After all the discussion last week about removing the broken rivet
stem from the riveter, I discovered a new way to do it. After the
stem is broken and the trigger is released the stem is just held in
the riveter by gravity. If you tip the nose up the stem will fall in
the little plastic cup in the rear of the riveter.
Paul
XL wings
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| Subject: | Best landing of my life! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Ok, maybe not but today I took 8830C up for its second,third and fourth flight
and it flew nice and the landings were great. The CHt issue is much better with
the hottest being #4 now at about 350. On the first flight # 6 was almost 400
and a little baffle on the back has now made it the coldest. We did about 5
mods to the cowling to get the warning light to stop, Jabiru Jim at Chandler airport
has been great.
I do have the problem with not having enough up trim with flaps. With only 10deg
of flaps I have to have full up trim. I remember some of you others having
this problem. I will check the archives for the fix.
Thanks guys.
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: Fly Cutter /Drill-Nibble-Snip-File (sorry this is long) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
There are 45 flanged holes in the 601XL project - 19
in each wing, one in the middle spar, one in the rear
seat panel, two in the instrument panel support, one
in the aft fuselage bulkhead and two in the middle
bulkhead. I probably missed a few.
Randy is a plans-builder. All seriousness aside,
cutting 45+ holes with a nibbler, snips and file would
put him finishing some time in early 2016 not to
mention carpel tunnel syndrome infliction. I suggest
taking another look at the fly cutter approach unless
you are a kit builder only putting a few holes in your
wings for inspection holes.
To date I've cut all 45 of my permanent holes and
several practice holes with one of two fly cutters.
Of all the holes I cut, only one was was a reject
because I got too aggressive with the flanger which
caused a small crack (notice the rib hanging on my
pegboard). I've used the weighted fly cutter and the
double-knife el cheapo with good results. The key is
to go slow, clamp everything down before starting and
keep the blades sharp and clean.
Here's the weighted one after making a hole:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/6_8_03_Flycutter.jpg
If you keep it sharp and keep the shavings off the
blade it works fast and makes a nice hole. The real
problem is the limited reach of a drill press. On the
rear ribs, my drill press didn't have enough room
between the post and the drill bit center. Luckily I
decided early in the project to buy a small mill/drill
that has a much longer reach and acts as a drill press
with the drill chuck mounted.
In all honesty, I can't see how I could have come this
far without the little mill/lathe/drill machine so I
recommend to all plans-builders that you get one
sooner than later. I use it all the time when I least
expect to. For example - I had some slop in my yoke
from side to side. I've heard of some factory torque
tubes with this problem but I had built mine from
plans. I removed the bushing that was called out in
the plans (a piece of 1/4" X .028" tubing). I turned
down a bolt to the proper size that fits snug inside
the hole, then bore-drilled it with the drill chuck
mounted in the tail stock of my little machine. Now
there's no slop and my ailerons won't have any slack
in them. I could mention several other instances of
this machine making great parts for the airplane.
I've never used a metal lathe or mill before this
project, so anybody could do it.
Back on subject - once you get it set up, drilling
holes in the ribs with a fly cutter is easy with the
right setup. You can do all of your rib holes in one
evening instead of six months.
Happy Building,
Scott Laughlin
Installing a BRS on my Corvair-powered 601XL
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
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--- Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> I found plain old tin snips to do a reasonable job.
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| Subject: | Re: Fly Cutter /Drill-Nibble-Snip-File (sorry this is long) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Right on Scott. I'm going to repeat something you said. CLAMP THE PART and cut
slowly. Thats how I did the two holes that I made with a flycutter. When I plans
made my ribs however I used my C.N.C. Mill. Sorry.......Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choices |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
That link doesn't work.
redplanet(at)proofzone.co wrote:
> For photos of a Smart diesel installed in a CH601, go to:
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo4.html.
>
> Last three pix at the bottom of the page.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Do I need controls and canopy yet? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
You definitely need the controls kit as you build the fuselage. I wish I had hat
the control cables when I built the wings. I'm quite sure it will be real fun
installing the cables with the wings closed up.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choices |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" <mpohl@pohltec.ch>
Pictures at the bottom of the page...
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Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
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| Subject: | Re: Using GPS for TAS. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <steerr@bellsouth.net>
I have one here that I pulled down off the net. As I recall, somebody's son
write it. It's a web page, with the calculations done in JavaScript, so
it's easy to run in just about any browser. Let me know if you want it.
Bill
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From: "Paul Mulwitz" <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:18 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Using GPS for TAS.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Bill,
>
> There are a number of true airspeed calculators on the net which you
> can use to calculate your actual speed. I found many of them by
> searching with the string "GPS airspeed calculator" on google.
>
> One of the first ones found was
> http://www.csgnetwork.com/tasgpscalc.html which looks like it might
> be helpful. Most of the good ones require you fly three legs with 90
> degree turns and record the indicated airspeed for both your steam
> gauge and GPS. The calculators solve the geometry and tell you what
> the wind was and your actual true airspeed.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Paul
> XL wings
>
>
>>Regarding the speeds.. I will be using the WAAS-capable GPS to get a
>>handle on ASI accuracy.. On first flight with about 5 kts wind on the
>>ground, on an upwind leg I held 75mph on the ASI and saw 62mph ground
>>speed on the GPS at 1300' AGL.. And on the second flight with
>>10-15kts on the ground, on a downwind leg, I held 75mph on the ASI
>>and saw 89mph ground speed on the GPS also at 1300'. I need to do
>>some work to get a better handle on the ASI..
>
> -
>
>
>
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| Subject: | kit bill of materials |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ken smith <lrepilot@yahoo.com>
does anyone know how to find the bill of materials for the kits used in the 601XL?
I am planning to scratch build most of the fuselage, and need to know whether
it makes sense to buy a kit for parts that are not worth the cost in terms of
time to make the items. I have finished the tail section which I built from a
kit, and the packing list gave the complete BOM for the assembly.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choices |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Double check - it continues to work fine for me.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Engine choices
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
That link doesn't work.
redplanet(at)proofzone.co wrote:
> For photos of a Smart diesel installed in a CH601, go to:
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo4.html.
>
> Last three pix at the bottom of the page.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: kit bill of materials |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I think ZAC will sell any parts you wish to buy. You don't need to
buy the whole kit unless that is what you want.
Paul
XL wings
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At 02:40 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: ken smith <lrepilot@yahoo.com>
>
>does anyone know how to find the bill of materials for the kits used
>in the 601XL?
> I am planning to scratch build most of the fuselage, and need to
> know whether it makes sense to buy a kit for parts that are not
> worth the cost in terms of time to make the items. I have finished
> the tail section which I built from a kit, and the packing list
> gave the complete BOM for the assembly.
>
>
>----
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gpjann@aol.com
Anyone interested in a Corvair engine, flying on a 601HDS with 40+ hours?
770-277-1637
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Not specifically but why is it available?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Harbor Freight Riveter - Stem ejection. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
If you allow too many stems to accumulate in the cup they will fall back
into the riveter and jam the thing up. Don't ask how I know.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:21 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Harbor Freight Riveter - Stem ejection.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
After all the discussion last week about removing the broken rivet
stem from the riveter, I discovered a new way to do it. After the
stem is broken and the trigger is released the stem is just held in
the riveter by gravity. If you tip the nose up the stem will fall in
the little plastic cup in the rear of the riveter.
Paul
XL wings
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| Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Riveter - Stem ejection. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
I try to pull the rivets, move rivet gun to the bench (or catch bucket) then release
the trigger with the nose pointing down. The stem just falls out. They
sweep up just fine from the floor also. [Wink]
Enjoy the building
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
You have to make your own bill of materials. You can get a real good head start by going to www.ch601.org
Try this link to get started:
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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| Subject: | Harbor Freight Riveter - Stem ejection. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Can you not take the cup off...Never had one on mine and it worked
perfectly right throughout the build...Rivet tails fall on floor
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Harbor Freight Riveter - Stem ejection.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
If you allow too many stems to accumulate in the cup they will fall back
into the riveter and jam the thing up. Don't ask how I know.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:21 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Harbor Freight Riveter - Stem ejection.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
--> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
After all the discussion last week about removing the broken rivet stem
from the riveter, I discovered a new way to do it. After the stem is
broken and the trigger is released the stem is just held in the riveter
by gravity. If you tip the nose up the stem will fall in the little
plastic cup in the rear of the riveter.
Paul
XL wings
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N701MW |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Bill,
Congratulations on the first flight of your 701, she looks great.
Brian
Long Island
701
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| Subject: | Re: source for oil filled nylon |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JohnDRead@aol.com
Try a company called Cadillac Plastics.
John Read
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