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1. 04:46 AM - Re: Wing Incidence (george may)
2. 05:45 AM - Re: DL (Russell J.)
3. 06:28 AM - Re: paint prop tips? (n801bh@netzero.com)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: DL (Big Gee)
5. 07:35 AM - Re: DL forget my reply (Big Gee)
6. 07:35 AM - Re: Notations on scratch build plans (lnk@iowatelecom.net)
7. 08:33 AM - Re: paint prop tips? (Trevor Page)
8. 12:10 PM - Re: paint prop tips? (Jari Kaija)
9. 12:18 PM - Zodiac Forced Landing (Craig Moore)
10. 12:37 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Michael Valentine)
11. 12:41 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Craig Payne)
12. 12:50 PM - Re: paint prop tips? ()
13. 03:31 PM - Re: Air tools & Compressor (Dave VanLanen)
14. 04:00 PM - Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (Brian Briggerman)
15. 04:08 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Gary Gower)
16. 04:39 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Gary Gower)
17. 04:55 PM - OLFA Knife Use (Dave VanLanen)
18. 05:17 PM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (LarryMcFarland)
19. 05:47 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
20. 05:47 PM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
21. 05:48 PM - Re: OLFA Knife Use (Jon Croke)
22. 07:49 PM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (Craig Payne)
23. 07:49 PM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
24. 08:37 PM - Dual Control Stick Option (Tom and Bren Henderson)
25. 08:42 PM - AnywhereMap (Danny Offill)
26. 09:15 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Randy Stout)
27. 09:15 PM - Re: Dual Control Stick Option (Craig Payne)
28. 09:16 PM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (T. Graziano)
29. 09:54 PM - Zodiac wheel pants (Paul Hartl)
30. 10:24 PM - Essential instruments (Paul Hartl)
31. 11:39 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Gary Gower)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
>The leading edge is 400 mm down from the longeron, the spar web 245 mm and
>the aft edge of the top skin 325 mm. It shows the plane of the spar at 9
>degrees from a line perpendicular to the longeron.
>
Craig--
Thanks for the info. I currently have three sets of plans covering 2000,
2001 and 2004. I was hoping I could finish without buying another set!
George May
601XL 912s
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Russell J." <entecrj@sbcglobal.net>
> David Mikesell asks "...what is DL? Does it refer to a part that is to
> be bent up? If so, it may be developed length, the length of the flat
> pattern, taking into account the bend allowance. Give us more
> information, Dave.
++++++++++++++++++++
"DL" means developed length, the length of the part before bending.
Russell Johnson
Engineering Technologies
100 Military Plaza, Suite 106
Dodge City, Kansas 67801
620-227-2097
Fax 620-227-5290
e-mail entecrj@sbcglobal.net
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| Subject: | Re: paint prop tips? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
I have had good luck with mine,,,,,,, so far
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
I'm thinking about ordering an IVOPROP, any advise?
Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <n801bh@netzero.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: paint prop tips?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com"
> <n801bh@netzero.com>
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> I can say on my Ivo props they have a leading edge protection made fro
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> stainless. That surface shows up REAL well while the prop is spinning.
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> Ben Haas
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> -- "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net> wrote:
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> BlankWhat's the deal about painting prop tips? I thought it was
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> "Are the propeller tips painted for visibility?" That's off the EAA
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> Do we or don't we? Anyone know for sure?
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> Larry Martin, www.skyhawg.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com>
dl = AFTER bending
Fritz Corvair
"Russell J." <entecrj@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Russell J."
> David Mikesell asks "...what is DL? Does it refer to a part that is to
> be bent up? If so, it may be developed length, the length of the flat
> pattern, taking into account the bend allowance. Give us more
> information, Dave.
++++++++++++++++++++
"DL" means developed length, the length of the part before bending.
Russell Johnson
Engineering Technologies
100 Military Plaza, Suite 106
Dodge City, Kansas 67801
620-227-2097
Fax 620-227-5290
e-mail entecrj@sbcglobal.net
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| Subject: | Re: DL forget my reply |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com>
Sorry, I was thinking in reverse this morning-- dl + bend allowance= finished size----
Fritz-- Corvair
Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee
dl = AFTER bending
Fritz Corvair
"Russell J." wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Russell J."
> David Mikesell asks "...what is DL? Does it refer to a part that is to
> be bent up? If so, it may be developed length, the length of the flat
> pattern, taking into account the bend allowance. Give us more
> information, Dave.
++++++++++++++++++++
"DL" means developed length, the length of the part before bending.
Russell Johnson
Engineering Technologies
100 Military Plaza, Suite 106
Dodge City, Kansas 67801
620-227-2097
Fax 620-227-5290
e-mail entecrj@sbcglobal.net
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| Subject: | Re: Notations on scratch build plans |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: lnk@iowatelecom.net
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
>
> Hi, it means the determined length! That is to say, the length of the
> piece in question before it is bent to the shape required.
>
>
> Now to those who have not fallen asleep by now :)My Questionis is this?
>
> However that said, on the drawings, the standard L angle's dimensions are
> given as:
>
> On the CH 701 drawings L = 19 mm X A = 19 mm and T = 0.025", with a Dl of
> 36 mm. Now if you take the L and A and add them (that gives you the flat
> length), I get 38 mm ?? But on the drawings the DL for the L angle 36mm.
>
> Any answers would be appreciated!
>
> Regards, DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Mikesell"
>> <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
>>
>> I worked on a CH601 kit before, but the scratch building plans have a
>> notation I can't figure out. I am probably just having a "stupid"
>> attack. I know T is thickness, L is length but what is DL?
>>
>> David Mikesell
>> 23597 N. Hwy 99
>> Acampo, CA 95220
>> 209-609-8774
>> skyguynca@skyguynca.com
>> www.skyguynca.com
The developed length is a function of the bend radius, a smaller radius
requires more material than a large radius plus factors like how hard the
material is and the method used to form it. Its a bit difficult to
explain without sketches but this link has a good set of pictures and
more detail than you will ever need.
http://www.sheetmetaldesign.com/WhitePapers/BendAllowance/SheetMetal-BendAllowance.pdf
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your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will
always long to return.
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| Subject: | Re: paint prop tips? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
I painted the tips on my Warp drive without any trouble. Just make
sure you don't over do it (make it thick). All you need is a very
light coat.
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
On May 22, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Larry wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
>
> BlankWhat's the deal about painting prop tips? I thought it was
> required. It is on the EAA check list. I asked IVOPROP about it and
> they said not to do it, it would affect the balance. I can't find
> a FAR
> about it. When I had my gyro inspected, the DAR told me to paint
> them.
>
> "Are the propeller tips painted for visibility?" That's off the EAA
> check list.
>
> Do we or don't we? Anyone know for sure?
>
>
> Larry Martin, www.skyhawg.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: paint prop tips? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
> I painted the tips on my Warp drive without any trouble. Just make
> sure you don't over do it (make it thick).
Hmmm. How about your ears. Can't you hear, when engine near
by you is running? And if not! How you can talk with tower?
:-)
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| Subject: | Zodiac Forced Landing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Moore <moorecomp@yahoo.com>
All,
Found this recent forced landing on Safetydata.com
I believe this aircraft is equipped with a Corvair.
Thankfully, no injuries.
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 282RS Make/Model: EXP
Description: ZENITH ZODIAC
Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None
Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Minor
LOCATION
City: LOTT State: TX Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT FORCED LANDED IN A FIELD DUE TO INCREASING
VIBRATION AND THE RPM DROPPED, 5 MILES SOUTH OF LOTT,
TX
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
WEATHER: TPL 1615Z 19015G20 10SM CLR 27/17 A2992
OTHER DATA
Departed: ROCKWALL, TX Dep Date:
Dep. Time:
Destination: SAN ANTONIO, TX Flt Plan:
Wx Briefing:
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:
FAA FSDO: SAN ANTONIO, TX (SW17)
Entry date: 05/22/2006
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac Forced Landing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
Yes, that is true. These were posted on the Corvair list (of course, the
analysis/investigation continues):
Message: 4
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: CorvAircraft> another broken crank-?
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Sometime just after noon today (Saturday, May 20), my hangar mate Randy
Stout's 601 ZenVair went down in an oat field near Temple, TX. Everyone is
OK and only minor damage to the plane. Randy was on his way to the Zenith
open house in Mexico, MO with his wife and dog.
At cruise, Randy began to notice a vibration from the engine. He spotted a
good field and set up for it, the engine began to vibrate a bit more so he
shut everything off and secured the engine. Everything went normally but a
bit too much float in the flare started to worry him about running out of
oat field so he dropped the nose and put the airplane down. That bit of
diving, rather than holding the nose off a bit longer, caused the nosewheel
pant to crack but it was not the final version of wheelpant that he wanted
anyway.
Just minutes ago, Randy and his wife and dog were picked up from the
sheriff's office by his brother in law and they are on their way back home.
Early tomorrow morning a retrieval party from EAA Chapter 35 is headed up
with a trailer and tools to pull the wings off the airplane and bring it
back to San Geronimo.
Randy had not nitrided his crank. He had bought a spare crank from me a fe=
w
weeks ago and it is at the machine shop right now, being prepared (it passe=
d
magnaflux and was being polished and cleaned). Once it was ready and the
machine work was done, he was going to send it off to Nitron, then when he
got it back he was going to do the crank swap all in one work session.
Looks like he'll be accelerating the process. Hope there isn't any damage
to the cases. Teardown to follow, including a determination of whether or
not it was indeed a crank break but it sounds a lot like what Langford
experienced and described. Randy had put quite a few hours on his 601.
News as it becomes available...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Message: 8
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: CorvAircraft> Randy's ZenVair
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Just talked with Randy, who is at the hangar with the airplane. The
retrieval from the oat field went very well yesterday... the farmer had a
four-wheeler and that's all it took to pull the plane out of the field to
the road, then the retrieval party had the wings off and the airplane on th=
e
trailer in less than 2 hours.
Pulling the top cover, Randy says that the crank is definitely cracked... o=
n
the throw between #5 and #6. I haven't seen it so don't know exactly where
he's talking about, but he did say it definitely is not near the journal
like Mark Langford's was and it sounds like it's on the rough-cast crank
throw. Regardless, it seems to be the same syndrome. He runs a 2-blade
Warp Drive prop, it's a 2700cc engine, and has about 148 hours since build.
Nitrided crank is in process.
BTW- his wife is ready to go flying with him again.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Zodiac Forced Landing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Yep, happen on Saturday - ironically as he, his wife and dog were flying to
Corvair Day at the Zenith plant. There has been a little info on the Corvair
list but not a lot. What we do know is that the crank was not nitrided, that
he has a nitrided crank in process and that his wife is still willing to fly
with him :-)
Randy's web site:
http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/
-- Craig
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| Subject: | paint prop tips? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <max.johansson@nokia.com>
Jari, at least during floatplane operations paint on the propeller tips
have probably saved lives, so even if one never should run the engine
with people around, my propeller tips are certain to become painted...
rgrds
Max
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>ext Jari Kaija sent: 24 May, 2006 22:05
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: paint prop tips?
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
>
>> I painted the tips on my Warp drive without any trouble. Just make
>> sure you don't over do it (make it thick).
>
>Hmmm. How about your ears. Can't you hear, when engine near by
>you is running? And if not! How you can talk with tower?
>
>:-)
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| Subject: | Air tools & Compressor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
Or if you don't have a separate room, or putting the compressor outside
means you need to leave the door open in the winter months, you can build a
sound deadening box around it. I built a box with 3/4" plywood, and lined
it with Homosote on the inside. I included intake and exhaust openings
facing away from the work area. It is amazing the reduction in noise level.
I can now work with the compressor running, and have no problem with noise
level.
Dave Van Lanen
Madison, WI
601XL - Stabilizer
Time: 05:40:52 PM PST US
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air tools & Compressor
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
I have the sears 6hp oil free direct drive.......
............for lasting thru a zodiac project. The machine is noisy and you
would be
well advised to put it in a separate room.
Frank
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| Subject: | Wiring around wing carry through on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" <blb7037@cox.net>
Has anyone got any good ideas on how to get wiring and the pitot tubes =
from the rear fuselage to the front cabin area . Getting around the wing =
carry through has given me fits. Zenith says they don't want me to drill =
holes in it for grommets even though AMD did. AMD says they are working =
on a way to go along the top rail. I don't see a good way to do that . I =
have the center stick and it and the rudder cable take up the only =
lightning hole.
I am thinking about running them along the inside edge of both seats in =
plastic conduits and hoping the upholstery will be thick enough to =
conceal and protect the conduits and not be objectionable. There are a =
lot of wires and tubes to go through there on my installation.
Brian Briggerman
Fountain Hills, AZ=20
90% done and 190% to go
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac Forced Landing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Is Randy Stout's HD, Just met him in Easter Week in my vacation trip.
Glad he is OK. and landed safetly,
Hope I was there to help him get the plane out of the field (retrive?)...
Will Call him tonight.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Craig Moore <moorecomp@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Moore
All,
Found this recent forced landing on Safetydata.com
I believe this aircraft is equipped with a Corvair.
Thankfully, no injuries.
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 282RS Make/Model: EXP
Description: ZENITH ZODIAC
Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None
Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Minor
LOCATION
City: LOTT State: TX Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT FORCED LANDED IN A FIELD DUE TO INCREASING
VIBRATION AND THE RPM DROPPED, 5 MILES SOUTH OF LOTT,
TX
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
WEATHER: TPL 1615Z 19015G20 10SM CLR 27/17 A2992
OTHER DATA
Departed: ROCKWALL, TX Dep Date:
Dep. Time:
Destination: SAN ANTONIO, TX Flt Plan:
Wx Briefing:
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:
FAA FSDO: SAN ANTONIO, TX (SW17)
Entry date: 05/22/2006
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| Subject: | Zodiac Forced Landing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I am really glad the 3 of them are OK.
Randy is a great guy, I meet him in San Antonio, while my family vacation trip
to Houston. this last Easter Week, (mayor holiday here).
He was very kind and even offered me a flight in his plane, I accept it and
I really enjoy it. Thanks again Randy.
His great HD has everything needed to fly, in a simple way. I like very much
this type of projects, He had lots of fun building and has lots of fun flying.
without instrument luxurys.
Has a well planed intrument panel, including a wired hand held radio and a hiking
GPS with a special program installed for airplane use!
I also meet that day Bill Bartlet, didnt had the chance to see his airplane (a
601 XL), happened that was in another place in painting process,
Bill shares hangar with Alex Roca. I Had the chance to take a good look to Alex
beautifull airplane. Alex was in a bussiness trip that day.
Both gave me the chance to have a great aviation day and saved me from a shopping
day :-)
Is realy a great thing to have aviation friends in internet, then have the chance
meet them in person.
Also is great that Randy's wife flys with him.
My wife never has flown with me and says never will... I accept it, nothing
to do,
Saludos
Gary Gower.
701 Flying from Chapala.
XL on process.
Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
Yep, happen on Saturday - ironically as he, his wife and dog were flying to
Corvair Day at the Zenith plant. There has been a little info on the Corvair
list but not a lot. What we do know is that the crank was not nitrided, that
he has a nitrided crank in process and that his wife is still willing to fly
with him :-)
Randy's web site:
http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/
-- Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
I just received my OLFA knife today. A question for the lister(s) who
recommended, and have used, this knife to cut aluminum - the cutting edge of
the blade is at a 45 degree angle to the handle - when using it, are we
supposed to set the cutting edge flat on the surface of the sheet, or do we
use the bottom "corner" to do the scoring / cutting?
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
Madison, WI
601XL - Stablizer
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Brian,
You're right, there's few options in that area, but you might consider
putting the bundled wires thru the hole just above the pivot plate
using the same lightening hole. A split rubber hose on the edge and a
plastic bundle wrap will protect it all. See the links below
that show the problems you describe and it does include brake lines,
fuel lines, pitot lines, all wiring from tail, wings, and battery
cables. It can be done by adding supporting carry-throughs where needed,
but you need to start early in the planning.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/brakelines.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/consolecleco.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/consolecutaway.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/batterycableroute.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/bundlbus.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/bundlsupts.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/pitobracket.gif
Hope some of this is helpful,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Brian Briggerman wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" <blb7037@cox.net>
>
>Has anyone got any good ideas on how to get wiring and the pitot tubes =
>from the rear fuselage to the front cabin area . Getting around the wing =
>carry through has given me fits. Zenith says they don't want me to drill =
>holes in it for grommets even though AMD did. AMD says they are working =
>on a way to go along the top rail. I don't see a good way to do that . I =
>have the center stick and it and the rudder cable take up the only =
>lightning hole.
>
>I am thinking about running them along the inside edge of both seats in =
>plastic conduits and hoping the upholstery will be thick enough to =
>conceal and protect the conduits and not be objectionable. There are a =
>lot of wires and tubes to go through there on my installation.
>
>Brian Briggerman
>Fountain Hills, AZ=20
>90% done and 190% to go
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac Forced Landing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Gary, maybe get a new wife, Huh ? Got to be a lot of fine looking ladies
looking for a pilot that owns his own airplane, Best to you, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Brian, I drilled two holes near the left seatbelt connector and ran the tubes
under the seat area to the center spar. Then I drilled two holes in the spar
and grommeted both sides and they exited about mid calf. Connected to two "L"s
and routed both up into the instrument panel. I know ZAC does not want us to
drill holes in the spar, but they have not designed an alternate method. Also,
I installed the duel sticks and you have to drill four holes (?) for that to
attach to the spar so what is two more. Lastly, if you have ever looked at the
center spar for a Piper Warrior you will see holes you can run your hand
through and really if our XL's are so fragile (I personally know mine is not) that
the wings fall off because of two little holes in the spar, we shouldn't be
flying them. FWIW, best regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 70 hours
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| Subject: | Re: OLFA Knife Use |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Just the corner!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
> <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I just received my OLFA knife today. A question for the lister(s) who
> recommended, and have used, this knife to cut aluminum - the cutting edge
> of
> the blade is at a 45 degree angle to the handle - when using it, are we
> supposed to set the cutting edge flat on the surface of the sheet, or do
> we
> use the bottom "corner" to do the scoring / cutting?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Van Lanen
> Madison, WI
> 601XL - Stablizer
>
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| Subject: | Wiring around wing carry through on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
I've got to ask: why are there what look like two cigarette lighter outlets
opening out the bottom of your fuselage?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryMcFarland
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wiring around wing carry through on 601
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland
--> <larry@macsmachine.com>
Brian,
You're right, there's few options in that area, but you might consider
putting the bundled wires thru the hole just above the pivot plate using the
same lightening hole. A split rubber hose on the edge and a plastic bundle
wrap will protect it all. See the links below that show the problems you
describe and it does include brake lines, fuel lines, pitot lines, all
wiring from tail, wings, and battery cables. It can be done by adding
supporting carry-throughs where needed, but you need to start early in the
planning.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/brakelines.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/consolecleco.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/consolecutaway.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/batterycableroute.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/bundlbus.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/bundlsupts.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/pitobracket.gif
Hope some of this is helpful,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive
Brian Briggerman wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" <blb7037@cox.net>
>
>Has anyone got any good ideas on how to get wiring and the pitot tubes
>= from the rear fuselage to the front cabin area . Getting around the
>wing = carry through has given me fits. Zenith says they don't want me
>to drill = holes in it for grommets even though AMD did. AMD says they
>are working = on a way to go along the top rail. I don't see a good way
>to do that . I = have the center stick and it and the rudder cable take
>up the only = lightning hole.
>
>I am thinking about running them along the inside edge of both seats in
>= plastic conduits and hoping the upholstery will be thick enough to =
>conceal and protect the conduits and not be objectionable. There are a
>= lot of wires and tubes to go through there on my installation.
>
>Brian Briggerman
>Fountain Hills, AZ=20
>90% done and 190% to go
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
The 601XL has only one hole in the spar inside the cabin. And it already has
rudder cables and the the torque tube running through it. I looked long and
hard at different ways to route pitot tubes and wires and brake lines over
that spar. A buddy of mine said to me, "Why don't you run them underneath the
spar? It looks like there's a channel under there." And indeed, there is an
exterior reinforcing channel running the length of the cockpit....right
underneath the spar. It's a simple matter of enclosing that channel, and putting
holes through the cabin floor in front of and and behind the spar. I am running
my brake lines, my battery cables and pitot tubes from behind the seat, through
a hole in the floor of the fuselage, through the newly enclosed channel (of
course, you wait to enclose the channel until all the lines are routed
properly) and back into the cabin through a hole in the floor up by the rudder
pedals.
It's clean...keeps a lot of clutter off the side walls, and it's very easy
to do. I'll try to post some pictures.
Dave Harms
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Dual Control Stick Option |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tom and Bren Henderson <admin@arachnidrobotics.com>
Three months of building, and it's finally time to finish up the forward fusealge.
I have yet to order the plans for "Dual Control Sticks", and I don't want
to rivet myself into a corner. Can anyone tell me what parts, if any, within
the fuse are modified to accept the control change? What I want to avoid is
completing a larger assembly, say the Center Wing Spar, only to find that it has
changed enough to necessitate re-building it. Drilling out rivets has become
a cardinal sin around our shop. :)
Any helpful hints would be greatly appreciated.
Tom and Brenda Henderson
601XL Scratch Building from Plans
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Danny Offill" <doffill@cableone.net>
Does anyone use the AnywhereMap software with a PDA while flying. If so
please provide a pirep. I'm trying to decide to between the AnywhereMap
with the Dell PDA or the Lorance 600c GPS.
Thanks,
Danny
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac Forced Landing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Yes. it was my plane.
I was planning on flying to the factory Friday, but decided to go to Dallas to
visit my family instead. Saturday, on the way back, the engine developed a vibration
that got worse very quickly. I ended up shutting down the engine and landing
in a oat field about 20 miles east of Temple TX. Good thing it happened
where it did as I would have been over the Texas Hill country in about 20-30 more
minutes. Not many landing spots there. If I had of gone to the factory, it
probably would have happened over the Ozark Mountains.
The EAA chapter here arranged a retrieval party and we got the plane back to my
hangar Sunday evening.
So far I have pulled the top cover off the top cover on the engine and verified
that the crank had broken. It broke on the 5th and 6th connecting rod throw.
The flywheel also had a crack in it. Apparantly that has happened to a couple
of others and may be a clue to a cracked crank. I'll post some pictures when I
get the engine disassembled.
Answers to a few questions that have come up:
The prop was indexed
The prop is a Warp Drive
The engine is the 100 hp version, not a Big Boy.
The crank had not been nitrided. I was in the process of getting a nitrided crank.
I have the front starter.
My wife still claims she is willing to fly with me again, and my dog would follow
me if I were to jump off a cliff.
Randy Stout
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
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| Subject: | Dual Control Stick Option |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Do you have access to the builders area of Zenith's web site? These photo
guides are a good start:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/ds-1of3.pdf
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/ds-2of3.pdf
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/ds-3of3.pdf
Also the plans list what parts from the option replace the standard parts.
All I see are parts of the torque tube: 6B17-2 is replaced by 6DS1-3
(bellcrank), 6B17-4 (the torque tube itself) by 6DS1-5. 6B17-5 gets welded
on to 6DS1-5 (the DS torque tube). 6B17-3 gets slid onto the torque tube
before welding the stop ring to the front. In general the new DS torque tube
is supported on exactly the same bearings as the standard center stick's
tube. There is a linkage rod which passes over the spar which gets covered
by a cover (6DS1-2) which extends the normal center console cover 6B18-2.
The biggest addition is the supports for the tube which links the two
sticks. These two angle brackets (6DS2-3) bolt to the front of the spar,
each 288 mm from the centerline.
The DS option was designed to work easily as a retro-fit. I'm probably
missing something but I don't see any rivets you would have to remove. Just
don't rivet on the center console's top cover :-)
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom and Bren
Henderson
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:35 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Dual Control Stick Option
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tom and Bren Henderson
--> <admin@arachnidrobotics.com>
Three months of building, and it's finally time to finish up the forward
fusealge. I have yet to order the plans for "Dual Control Sticks", and I
don't want to rivet myself into a corner. Can anyone tell me what parts, if
any, within the fuse are modified to accept the control change? What I want
to avoid is completing a larger assembly, say the Center Wing Spar, only to
find that it has changed enough to necessitate re-building it. Drilling out
rivets has become a cardinal sin around our shop. :)
Any helpful hints would be greatly appreciated.
Tom and Brenda Henderson
601XL Scratch Building from Plans
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
I also agonized over this, but found that the brake lines and the pitot =
and static tubes do in fact fit. I also had previously askedZenith if I =
could drill some access holes at the center of the center spar webs as =
this is where the lowest loads occur (neutral axis) but the reply was =
"not recommended".I enclosed the brake and pitot/static lines in ribed =
wire conduit and used adel type clamps on both sides of the spar to hold =
them close to the bottom edge of the center spar webs' lightening holes =
and to prevent movement. I have dual sticks and there is absolutely no =
contact with any moving parts.For electrical wiring, I used both sides =
of the cockpit rail channel. I have wiring for the flaps, autopilot, =
ELT (phone line), cabin lights, tail light, EFIS magnetometer and coax =
for comm and transponder tucked underneath the cockpit rails. and =
exiting with ribbed conduit at the end near the seats and then going =
aft, down to the area behind the seats or in the case for the cabin =
lights and magnetometer up around the cargo compartment bow. Somehow it =
all fit. I was very careful that there was absolutely no chafing, or =
proved chafing protection where possibly required.Tony =
GrazianoN493TG601XL/Jab3300A; 99.8 hrsWiring around wing carry through =
on 601Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" =
<blb7037@cox.net>
Has anyone got any good ideas on how to get wiring and the pitot tubes =
=3D
from the rear fuselage to the front cabin area . Getting around the wing =
=3D
carry through has given me fits. Zenith says they don't want me to drill =
=3D
holes in it for grommets even though AMD did. AMD says they are working =
=3D
on a way to go along the top rail. I don't see a good way to do that . I =
=3D
have the center stick and it and the rudder cable take up the only =3D
lightning hole.
I am thinking about running them along the inside edge of both seats in =
=3D
plastic conduits and hoping the upholstery will be thick enough to =3D
conceal and protect the conduits and not be objectionable. There are a =
=3D
lot of wires and tubes to go through there on my installation.
Brian Briggerman
Fountain Hills, AZ=3D20
90% done and 190% to go
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| Subject: | Zodiac wheel pants |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
To those nattering nabobs of negativism ......
I got my ZAC-supplied wheel pants on my HDS last weekend, and finally
got a quiet enough night to go up and do some runs to determine if they
were good for anything. Surprise! - after spending almost an hour of
running upwind and then downwind (and up and down, and up and
down...)at a pressure altitude of 7100', temp of 20 degrees C, a fuel
burn of 4.2 gph @ RPM of 2650, I was getting a TAS of close to 122 mph -
which is about 6 mph better than I was getting two weeks ago without the
pants at very similar conditions. Granted, it is not easy to get these
measurements, but after several careful runs upwind and downwind, I'm
pretty convinced that my HDS is now a 105 kt cruiser at 4.2 gph - up
from its old 100 kt status at the same fuel burn.
Now, you say, "how do you know you were running exactly upwind and
downwind"? It's not really that difficult, actually. First, check what
the winds aloft are supposed to be doing, then get up there and point
your airplane in that direction (or 180 degrees to it), find a landmark
to line up on, then putt along to see if you're drifting, and if you
are, make a correction so that you aren't drifting anymore. At the same
time, carefully watch your GPS and see if it agrees by noting if these
directions correspond with maximum and minimum ground speeds. After a
few minutes of playing around with these variables, you'll have a pretty
good idea of wind direction. Then just make a series of upwind and
downwind runs, recording your IAS and GS, holding altitude, RPM and fuel
burn constant. After a while, you'll see that your data is pretty
re-producible. Then, all you need to do is average your upwind GS with
your downwind GS and you'll have TAS. Compare with IAS to get CAS (see
last month's "Sport Aviation" for equation). The only major variable
with this method is changing wind conditions - which may occur - so it's
best to pick as quiet of night (or morning) as possible. You also want
to make sure you're keeping an eye out for traffic, as you can get
pretty busy watching all these items and then writing them down.
One more thing - the wheel pants make for a much better, and yes, even
faster looking airplane. Tower noticed them immediately as I taxied
past him tonight and complimented me on the improved look, and I had to
agree! One negative - they're a pain-in-the-arse to fit properly.
Just my two cents, of course, and worth the paper it's written on ....
Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 45 hrs, 56 landings
Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl
Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147
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| Subject: | Essential instruments |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
Just a note to those considering what instruments to put in your panel
....
Fuel flow meter ? I debated putting a fuel flow meter in my panel, as
they are expensive, but I am very, very happy I did. Fuel burn is
extremely variable, and just a few mph change can greatly effect it. In
my Jab-powered HDS, I can cruise @ 4.2 gph @122 mph (RPM 2650), or I can
do about 135 mph @ 8 gph (RPM 2900). That's a huge penalty to pay for a
mere 13 mph increase, but it would be much, much harder to see if I
couldn't constantly monitor flow. With a fuel flow meter, you can tweak
your burn as you fly; without it, you're guessing and can only estimate
what has happened when you fill up. BTW, I bought the cheapest one I
could find - an Aussie-made "MiZer" - and it works very well.
Voltmeter versus ammeter? Emphatically both! A voltmeter tells you the
status of your battery (and backup battery on the Dynon, as well as the
Dynon's own internal backup). But the ammeter tells you what is going
on in your electrical system at each moment in time. This is especially
important for Jab-powered aircraft, as the Jabs have pretty pathetic
15-amp alternators. Tonight, I was running both strobes and nav lights,
and I could take comfort that my batteries were maintaining charge by
watching the ammeter stay in the positive (until throttling down for
landing), and comparing with the voltmeter. To me the ammeter is a lot
like the fuel flow mater, you just know a lot less about what your
systems are doing without it.
Is the Dynon overkill in an HDS? Frank makes a very good point about
getting a Tru-Track AP for the same money, but I gotta say that I love
my Dynon. I mean, it takes the place of about 10 instruments in a tiny,
easy-to-read display (requiring no scan, BTW), it costs less than those
instruments would separately, and it means that my little Zodiac too is
part of the "glass age". It even calculates density altitude for
goodness sake! Maybe Frank is right, but you better not try and get
between me and my Dynon - it makes a little airplane like a Zodiac seem
so much more sophisticated!
Digital tach versus analogue? Digital - it's much easier to keep a
steady RPM. Of course, digital is not cheap.
CHT meter on each cylinder. Yes. If you want a good idea of what's
going on where, oil temp is just not enough.
Just my 2 cents again. Hope I didn't bore anyone.....
Paul
Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 45 hrs, 56 landings
Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl
Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac Forced Landing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
No way! I will not make the same mistake twice :-) :-)
An old man here used to say: With so many great ladies all over, why marry ONE?
Never own a single seater airplane, best side by side :-) :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive PLEASE (Or IL be Dead! :-) :-)
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Gary, maybe get a new wife, Huh ? Got to be a lot of fine looking ladies
looking for a pilot that owns his own airplane, Best to you, Bill
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