---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/24/06: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:46 AM - Re: Wing Incidence (george may) 2. 05:45 AM - Re: DL (Russell J.) 3. 06:28 AM - Re: paint prop tips? (n801bh@netzero.com) 4. 06:31 AM - Re: DL (Big Gee) 5. 07:35 AM - Re: DL forget my reply (Big Gee) 6. 07:35 AM - Re: Notations on scratch build plans (lnk@iowatelecom.net) 7. 08:33 AM - Re: paint prop tips? (Trevor Page) 8. 12:10 PM - Re: paint prop tips? (Jari Kaija) 9. 12:18 PM - Zodiac Forced Landing (Craig Moore) 10. 12:37 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Michael Valentine) 11. 12:41 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Craig Payne) 12. 12:50 PM - Re: paint prop tips? () 13. 03:31 PM - Re: Air tools & Compressor (Dave VanLanen) 14. 04:00 PM - Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (Brian Briggerman) 15. 04:08 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Gary Gower) 16. 04:39 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Gary Gower) 17. 04:55 PM - OLFA Knife Use (Dave VanLanen) 18. 05:17 PM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (LarryMcFarland) 19. 05:47 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 20. 05:47 PM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 21. 05:48 PM - Re: OLFA Knife Use (Jon Croke) 22. 07:49 PM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (Craig Payne) 23. 07:49 PM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 24. 08:37 PM - Dual Control Stick Option (Tom and Bren Henderson) 25. 08:42 PM - AnywhereMap (Danny Offill) 26. 09:15 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Randy Stout) 27. 09:15 PM - Re: Dual Control Stick Option (Craig Payne) 28. 09:16 PM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (T. Graziano) 29. 09:54 PM - Zodiac wheel pants (Paul Hartl) 30. 10:24 PM - Essential instruments (Paul Hartl) 31. 11:39 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Gary Gower) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:03 AM PST US From: "george may" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wing Incidence --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" >The leading edge is 400 mm down from the longeron, the spar web 245 mm and >the aft edge of the top skin 325 mm. It shows the plane of the spar at 9 >degrees from a line perpendicular to the longeron. > Craig-- Thanks for the info. I currently have three sets of plans covering 2000, 2001 and 2004. I was hoping I could finish without buying another set! George May 601XL 912s do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:37 AM PST US From: "Russell J." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: DL --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Russell J." > David Mikesell asks "...what is DL? Does it refer to a part that is to > be bent up? If so, it may be developed length, the length of the flat > pattern, taking into account the bend allowance. Give us more > information, Dave. ++++++++++++++++++++ "DL" means developed length, the length of the part before bending. Russell Johnson Engineering Technologies 100 Military Plaza, Suite 106 Dodge City, Kansas 67801 620-227-2097 Fax 620-227-5290 e-mail entecrj@sbcglobal.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:43 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: paint prop tips? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" I have had good luck with mine,,,,,,, so far do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Larry" wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" I'm thinking about ordering an IVOPROP, any advise? Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: paint prop tips? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" > > > I can say on my Ivo props they have a leading edge protection made fro m > stainless. That surface shows up REAL well while the prop is spinning. F > WIW, the DAR that blessed my plane didn't mention I needed to paint my t > ips. > > > do not archive > > > Ben Haas > N801BH > www.haaspowerair.com > > -- "Larry" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" > > BlankWhat's the deal about painting prop tips? I thought it was > > required. It is on the EAA check list. I asked IVOPROP about it and > > they said not to do it, it would affect the balance. I can't find a F AR > > > about it. When I had my gyro inspected, the DAR told me to paint them .. > > "Are the propeller tips painted for visibility?" That's off the EAA > > check list. > > Do we or don't we? Anyone know for sure? > > > Larry Martin, www.skyhawg.com > > > ===================== > ======== > > ===================== > ======== > > ===================== > ======== > ===================== > ======== > > >

I can say on my Ivo props they have a leading edge protection m > ade from stainless. That surface shows up REAL well while the prop is sp > inning. FWIW, the DAR that blessed my plane didn't mention I needed to p > aint my tips.

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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowera ir > .com

-- "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net> wro te > :
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BlankWhat's the  ;d > eal about painting prop tips?  I th ou > ght it was 
required.  It is on& nb > sp;the EAA check list.  I asked IVO PR > OP about it and 
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Do we or don't we?  Anyone  ;k > now for sure?

 
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I have had good luck with mine,,,,,,, so far

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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair .com

-- "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net> wrote :
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lar ry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>

I'm thinking abou t ordering an IVOPROP, any advise?
Larry,&nb sp;N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
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< /html> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:28 AM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Re: Zenith-List: DL --> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee dl = AFTER bending Fritz Corvair "Russell J." wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Russell J." > David Mikesell asks "...what is DL? Does it refer to a part that is to > be bent up? If so, it may be developed length, the length of the flat > pattern, taking into account the bend allowance. Give us more > information, Dave. ++++++++++++++++++++ "DL" means developed length, the length of the part before bending. Russell Johnson Engineering Technologies 100 Military Plaza, Suite 106 Dodge City, Kansas 67801 620-227-2097 Fax 620-227-5290 e-mail entecrj@sbcglobal.net __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:39 AM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Re: Zenith-List: DL forget my reply --> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee Sorry, I was thinking in reverse this morning-- dl + bend allowance= finished size---- Fritz-- Corvair Big Gee wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee dl = AFTER bending Fritz Corvair "Russell J." wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Russell J." > David Mikesell asks "...what is DL? Does it refer to a part that is to > be bent up? If so, it may be developed length, the length of the flat > pattern, taking into account the bend allowance. Give us more > information, Dave. ++++++++++++++++++++ "DL" means developed length, the length of the part before bending. Russell Johnson Engineering Technologies 100 Military Plaza, Suite 106 Dodge City, Kansas 67801 620-227-2097 Fax 620-227-5290 e-mail entecrj@sbcglobal.net __________________________________________________ --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Notations on scratch build plans From: lnk@iowatelecom.net --> Zenith-List message posted by: lnk@iowatelecom.net > --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za > > Hi, it means the determined length! That is to say, the length of the > piece in question before it is bent to the shape required. > > > Now to those who have not fallen asleep by now :)My Questionis is this? > > However that said, on the drawings, the standard L angle's dimensions are > given as: > > On the CH 701 drawings L = 19 mm X A = 19 mm and T = 0.025", with a Dl of > 36 mm. Now if you take the L and A and add them (that gives you the flat > length), I get 38 mm ?? But on the drawings the DL for the L angle 36mm. > > Any answers would be appreciated! > > Regards, DO NOT ARCHIVE > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Mikesell" >> >> >> I worked on a CH601 kit before, but the scratch building plans have a >> notation I can't figure out. I am probably just having a "stupid" >> attack. I know T is thickness, L is length but what is DL? >> >> David Mikesell >> 23597 N. Hwy 99 >> Acampo, CA 95220 >> 209-609-8774 >> skyguynca@skyguynca.com >> www.skyguynca.com The developed length is a function of the bend radius, a smaller radius requires more material than a large radius plus factors like how hard the material is and the method used to form it. Its a bit difficult to explain without sketches but this link has a good set of pictures and more detail than you will ever need. http://www.sheetmetaldesign.com/WhitePapers/BendAllowance/SheetMetal-BendAllowance.pdf When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return. - Leonardo da Vinci ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:17 AM PST US From: Trevor Page Subject: Re: Zenith-List: paint prop tips? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page I painted the tips on my Warp drive without any trouble. Just make sure you don't over do it (make it thick). All you need is a very light coat. Trev Page C-IDUS 601HD R912 On May 22, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Larry wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" > > BlankWhat's the deal about painting prop tips? I thought it was > required. It is on the EAA check list. I asked IVOPROP about it and > they said not to do it, it would affect the balance. I can't find > a FAR > about it. When I had my gyro inspected, the DAR told me to paint > them. > > "Are the propeller tips painted for visibility?" That's off the EAA > check list. > > Do we or don't we? Anyone know for sure? > > > Larry Martin, www.skyhawg.com > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:14 PM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: paint prop tips? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > I painted the tips on my Warp drive without any trouble. Just make > sure you don't over do it (make it thick). Hmmm. How about your ears. Can't you hear, when engine near by you is running? And if not! How you can talk with tower? :-) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:41 PM PST US From: Craig Moore Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac Forced Landing --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Moore All, Found this recent forced landing on Safetydata.com I believe this aircraft is equipped with a Corvair. Thankfully, no injuries. IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 282RS Make/Model: EXP Description: ZENITH ZODIAC Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: LOTT State: TX Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT FORCED LANDED IN A FIELD DUE TO INCREASING VIBRATION AND THE RPM DROPPED, 5 MILES SOUTH OF LOTT, TX INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: TPL 1615Z 19015G20 10SM CLR 27/17 A2992 OTHER DATA Departed: ROCKWALL, TX Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: SAN ANTONIO, TX Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: SAN ANTONIO, TX (SW17) Entry date: 05/22/2006 __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:48 PM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac Forced Landing --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine" Yes, that is true. These were posted on the Corvair list (of course, the analysis/investigation continues): Message: 4 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: CorvAircraft> another broken crank-? Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed Sometime just after noon today (Saturday, May 20), my hangar mate Randy Stout's 601 ZenVair went down in an oat field near Temple, TX. Everyone is OK and only minor damage to the plane. Randy was on his way to the Zenith open house in Mexico, MO with his wife and dog. At cruise, Randy began to notice a vibration from the engine. He spotted a good field and set up for it, the engine began to vibrate a bit more so he shut everything off and secured the engine. Everything went normally but a bit too much float in the flare started to worry him about running out of oat field so he dropped the nose and put the airplane down. That bit of diving, rather than holding the nose off a bit longer, caused the nosewheel pant to crack but it was not the final version of wheelpant that he wanted anyway. Just minutes ago, Randy and his wife and dog were picked up from the sheriff's office by his brother in law and they are on their way back home. Early tomorrow morning a retrieval party from EAA Chapter 35 is headed up with a trailer and tools to pull the wings off the airplane and bring it back to San Geronimo. Randy had not nitrided his crank. He had bought a spare crank from me a fe= w weeks ago and it is at the machine shop right now, being prepared (it passe= d magnaflux and was being polished and cleaned). Once it was ready and the machine work was done, he was going to send it off to Nitron, then when he got it back he was going to do the crank swap all in one work session. Looks like he'll be accelerating the process. Hope there isn't any damage to the cases. Teardown to follow, including a determination of whether or not it was indeed a crank break but it sounds a lot like what Langford experienced and described. Randy had put quite a few hours on his 601. News as it becomes available... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Message: 8 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: CorvAircraft> Randy's ZenVair Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed Just talked with Randy, who is at the hangar with the airplane. The retrieval from the oat field went very well yesterday... the farmer had a four-wheeler and that's all it took to pull the plane out of the field to the road, then the retrieval party had the wings off and the airplane on th= e trailer in less than 2 hours. Pulling the top cover, Randy says that the crank is definitely cracked... o= n the throw between #5 and #6. I haven't seen it so don't know exactly where he's talking about, but he did say it definitely is not near the journal like Mark Langford's was and it sounds like it's on the rough-cast crank throw. Regardless, it seems to be the same syndrome. He runs a 2-blade Warp Drive prop, it's a 2700cc engine, and has about 148 hours since build. Nitrided crank is in process. BTW- his wife is ready to go flying with him again. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:14 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zodiac Forced Landing --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Yep, happen on Saturday - ironically as he, his wife and dog were flying to Corvair Day at the Zenith plant. There has been a little info on the Corvair list but not a lot. What we do know is that the crank was not nitrided, that he has a nitrided crank in process and that his wife is still willing to fly with him :-) Randy's web site: http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/ -- Craig ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:59 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: paint prop tips? From: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari, at least during floatplane operations paint on the propeller tips have probably saved lives, so even if one never should run the engine with people around, my propeller tips are certain to become painted... rgrds Max >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >ext Jari Kaija sent: 24 May, 2006 22:05 >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: paint prop tips? > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > >> I painted the tips on my Warp drive without any trouble. Just make >> sure you don't over do it (make it thick). > >Hmmm. How about your ears. Can't you hear, when engine near by >you is running? And if not! How you can talk with tower? > >:-) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:26 PM PST US From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air tools & Compressor --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" Or if you don't have a separate room, or putting the compressor outside means you need to leave the door open in the winter months, you can build a sound deadening box around it. I built a box with 3/4" plywood, and lined it with Homosote on the inside. I included intake and exhaust openings facing away from the work area. It is amazing the reduction in noise level. I can now work with the compressor running, and have no problem with noise level. Dave Van Lanen Madison, WI 601XL - Stabilizer Time: 05:40:52 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air tools & Compressor From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I have the sears 6hp oil free direct drive....... ............for lasting thru a zodiac project. The machine is noisy and you would be well advised to put it in a separate room. Frank ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:40 PM PST US From: "Brian Briggerman" Subject: Zenith-List: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" Has anyone got any good ideas on how to get wiring and the pitot tubes = from the rear fuselage to the front cabin area . Getting around the wing = carry through has given me fits. Zenith says they don't want me to drill = holes in it for grommets even though AMD did. AMD says they are working = on a way to go along the top rail. I don't see a good way to do that . I = have the center stick and it and the rudder cable take up the only = lightning hole. I am thinking about running them along the inside edge of both seats in = plastic conduits and hoping the upholstery will be thick enough to = conceal and protect the conduits and not be objectionable. There are a = lot of wires and tubes to go through there on my installation. Brian Briggerman Fountain Hills, AZ=20 90% done and 190% to go ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:31 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac Forced Landing --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Is Randy Stout's HD, Just met him in Easter Week in my vacation trip. Glad he is OK. and landed safetly, Hope I was there to help him get the plane out of the field (retrive?)... Will Call him tonight. Saludos Gary Gower Craig Moore wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Moore All, Found this recent forced landing on Safetydata.com I believe this aircraft is equipped with a Corvair. Thankfully, no injuries. IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 282RS Make/Model: EXP Description: ZENITH ZODIAC Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: LOTT State: TX Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT FORCED LANDED IN A FIELD DUE TO INCREASING VIBRATION AND THE RPM DROPPED, 5 MILES SOUTH OF LOTT, TX INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: TPL 1615Z 19015G20 10SM CLR 27/17 A2992 OTHER DATA Departed: ROCKWALL, TX Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: SAN ANTONIO, TX Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: SAN ANTONIO, TX (SW17) Entry date: 05/22/2006 __________________________________________________ --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:05 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zodiac Forced Landing --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower I am really glad the 3 of them are OK. Randy is a great guy, I meet him in San Antonio, while my family vacation trip to Houston. this last Easter Week, (mayor holiday here). He was very kind and even offered me a flight in his plane, I accept it and I really enjoy it. Thanks again Randy. His great HD has everything needed to fly, in a simple way. I like very much this type of projects, He had lots of fun building and has lots of fun flying. without instrument luxurys. Has a well planed intrument panel, including a wired hand held radio and a hiking GPS with a special program installed for airplane use! I also meet that day Bill Bartlet, didnt had the chance to see his airplane (a 601 XL), happened that was in another place in painting process, Bill shares hangar with Alex Roca. I Had the chance to take a good look to Alex beautifull airplane. Alex was in a bussiness trip that day. Both gave me the chance to have a great aviation day and saved me from a shopping day :-) Is realy a great thing to have aviation friends in internet, then have the chance meet them in person. Also is great that Randy's wife flys with him. My wife never has flown with me and says never will... I accept it, nothing to do, Saludos Gary Gower. 701 Flying from Chapala. XL on process. Craig Payne wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Yep, happen on Saturday - ironically as he, his wife and dog were flying to Corvair Day at the Zenith plant. There has been a little info on the Corvair list but not a lot. What we do know is that the crank was not nitrided, that he has a nitrided crank in process and that his wife is still willing to fly with him :-) Randy's web site: http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/ -- Craig --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:22 PM PST US From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith-List: OLFA Knife Use --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" I just received my OLFA knife today. A question for the lister(s) who recommended, and have used, this knife to cut aluminum - the cutting edge of the blade is at a 45 degree angle to the handle - when using it, are we supposed to set the cutting edge flat on the surface of the sheet, or do we use the bottom "corner" to do the scoring / cutting? Thanks, Dave Van Lanen Madison, WI 601XL - Stablizer ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:34 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Brian, You're right, there's few options in that area, but you might consider putting the bundled wires thru the hole just above the pivot plate using the same lightening hole. A split rubber hose on the edge and a plastic bundle wrap will protect it all. See the links below that show the problems you describe and it does include brake lines, fuel lines, pitot lines, all wiring from tail, wings, and battery cables. It can be done by adding supporting carry-throughs where needed, but you need to start early in the planning. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/brakelines.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/consolecleco.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/consolecutaway.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/batterycableroute.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/bundlbus.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/bundlsupts.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/pitobracket.gif Hope some of this is helpful, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Brian Briggerman wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" > >Has anyone got any good ideas on how to get wiring and the pitot tubes = >from the rear fuselage to the front cabin area . Getting around the wing = >carry through has given me fits. Zenith says they don't want me to drill = >holes in it for grommets even though AMD did. AMD says they are working = >on a way to go along the top rail. I don't see a good way to do that . I = >have the center stick and it and the rudder cable take up the only = >lightning hole. > >I am thinking about running them along the inside edge of both seats in = >plastic conduits and hoping the upholstery will be thick enough to = >conceal and protect the conduits and not be objectionable. There are a = >lot of wires and tubes to go through there on my installation. > >Brian Briggerman >Fountain Hills, AZ=20 >90% done and 190% to go > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:22 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac Forced Landing --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Gary, maybe get a new wife, Huh ? Got to be a lot of fine looking ladies looking for a pilot that owns his own airplane, Best to you, Bill ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:22 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Brian, I drilled two holes near the left seatbelt connector and ran the tubes under the seat area to the center spar. Then I drilled two holes in the spar and grommeted both sides and they exited about mid calf. Connected to two "L"s and routed both up into the instrument panel. I know ZAC does not want us to drill holes in the spar, but they have not designed an alternate method. Also, I installed the duel sticks and you have to drill four holes (?) for that to attach to the spar so what is two more. Lastly, if you have ever looked at the center spar for a Piper Warrior you will see holes you can run your hand through and really if our XL's are so fragile (I personally know mine is not) that the wings fall off because of two little holes in the spar, we shouldn't be flying them. FWIW, best regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 70 hours ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:27 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: OLFA Knife Use --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Just the corner! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave VanLanen" > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" > > > I just received my OLFA knife today. A question for the lister(s) who > recommended, and have used, this knife to cut aluminum - the cutting edge > of > the blade is at a 45 degree angle to the handle - when using it, are we > supposed to set the cutting edge flat on the surface of the sheet, or do > we > use the bottom "corner" to do the scoring / cutting? > > Thanks, > Dave Van Lanen > Madison, WI > 601XL - Stablizer > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:36 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" I've got to ask: why are there what look like two cigarette lighter outlets opening out the bottom of your fuselage? -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryMcFarland Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland --> Brian, You're right, there's few options in that area, but you might consider putting the bundled wires thru the hole just above the pivot plate using the same lightening hole. A split rubber hose on the edge and a plastic bundle wrap will protect it all. See the links below that show the problems you describe and it does include brake lines, fuel lines, pitot lines, all wiring from tail, wings, and battery cables. It can be done by adding supporting carry-throughs where needed, but you need to start early in the planning. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/brakelines.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/consolecleco.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/consolecutaway.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/batterycableroute.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/bundlbus.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/bundlsupts.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/pitobracket.gif Hope some of this is helpful, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Brian Briggerman wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" > >Has anyone got any good ideas on how to get wiring and the pitot tubes >= from the rear fuselage to the front cabin area . Getting around the >wing = carry through has given me fits. Zenith says they don't want me >to drill = holes in it for grommets even though AMD did. AMD says they >are working = on a way to go along the top rail. I don't see a good way >to do that . I = have the center stick and it and the rudder cable take >up the only = lightning hole. > >I am thinking about running them along the inside edge of both seats in >= plastic conduits and hoping the upholstery will be thick enough to = >conceal and protect the conduits and not be objectionable. There are a >= lot of wires and tubes to go through there on my installation. > >Brian Briggerman >Fountain Hills, AZ=20 >90% done and 190% to go > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:36 PM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com The 601XL has only one hole in the spar inside the cabin. And it already has rudder cables and the the torque tube running through it. I looked long and hard at different ways to route pitot tubes and wires and brake lines over that spar. A buddy of mine said to me, "Why don't you run them underneath the spar? It looks like there's a channel under there." And indeed, there is an exterior reinforcing channel running the length of the cockpit....right underneath the spar. It's a simple matter of enclosing that channel, and putting holes through the cabin floor in front of and and behind the spar. I am running my brake lines, my battery cables and pitot tubes from behind the seat, through a hole in the floor of the fuselage, through the newly enclosed channel (of course, you wait to enclose the channel until all the lines are routed properly) and back into the cabin through a hole in the floor up by the rudder pedals. It's clean...keeps a lot of clutter off the side walls, and it's very easy to do. I'll try to post some pictures. Dave Harms 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:06 PM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Zenith-List: Dual Control Stick Option --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tom and Bren Henderson Three months of building, and it's finally time to finish up the forward fusealge. I have yet to order the plans for "Dual Control Sticks", and I don't want to rivet myself into a corner. Can anyone tell me what parts, if any, within the fuse are modified to accept the control change? What I want to avoid is completing a larger assembly, say the Center Wing Spar, only to find that it has changed enough to necessitate re-building it. Drilling out rivets has become a cardinal sin around our shop. :) Any helpful hints would be greatly appreciated. Tom and Brenda Henderson 601XL Scratch Building from Plans ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:28 PM PST US From: "Danny Offill" Subject: Zenith-List: AnywhereMap --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Danny Offill" Does anyone use the AnywhereMap software with a PDA while flying. If so please provide a pirep. I'm trying to decide to between the AnywhereMap with the Dell PDA or the Lorance 600c GPS. Thanks, Danny ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:17 PM PST US From: Randy Stout Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac Forced Landing --> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout Yes. it was my plane. I was planning on flying to the factory Friday, but decided to go to Dallas to visit my family instead. Saturday, on the way back, the engine developed a vibration that got worse very quickly. I ended up shutting down the engine and landing in a oat field about 20 miles east of Temple TX. Good thing it happened where it did as I would have been over the Texas Hill country in about 20-30 more minutes. Not many landing spots there. If I had of gone to the factory, it probably would have happened over the Ozark Mountains. The EAA chapter here arranged a retrieval party and we got the plane back to my hangar Sunday evening. So far I have pulled the top cover off the top cover on the engine and verified that the crank had broken. It broke on the 5th and 6th connecting rod throw. The flywheel also had a crack in it. Apparantly that has happened to a couple of others and may be a clue to a cracked crank. I'll post some pictures when I get the engine disassembled. Answers to a few questions that have come up: The prop was indexed The prop is a Warp Drive The engine is the 100 hp version, not a Big Boy. The crank had not been nitrided. I was in the process of getting a nitrided crank. I have the front starter. My wife still claims she is willing to fly with me again, and my dog would follow me if I were to jump off a cliff. Randy Stout www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:17 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dual Control Stick Option --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Do you have access to the builders area of Zenith's web site? These photo guides are a good start: http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/ds-1of3.pdf http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/ds-2of3.pdf http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/ds-3of3.pdf Also the plans list what parts from the option replace the standard parts. All I see are parts of the torque tube: 6B17-2 is replaced by 6DS1-3 (bellcrank), 6B17-4 (the torque tube itself) by 6DS1-5. 6B17-5 gets welded on to 6DS1-5 (the DS torque tube). 6B17-3 gets slid onto the torque tube before welding the stop ring to the front. In general the new DS torque tube is supported on exactly the same bearings as the standard center stick's tube. There is a linkage rod which passes over the spar which gets covered by a cover (6DS1-2) which extends the normal center console cover 6B18-2. The biggest addition is the supports for the tube which links the two sticks. These two angle brackets (6DS2-3) bolt to the front of the spar, each 288 mm from the centerline. The DS option was designed to work easily as a retro-fit. I'm probably missing something but I don't see any rivets you would have to remove. Just don't rivet on the center console's top cover :-) -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom and Bren Henderson Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Dual Control Stick Option --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tom and Bren Henderson --> Three months of building, and it's finally time to finish up the forward fusealge. I have yet to order the plans for "Dual Control Sticks", and I don't want to rivet myself into a corner. Can anyone tell me what parts, if any, within the fuse are modified to accept the control change? What I want to avoid is completing a larger assembly, say the Center Wing Spar, only to find that it has changed enough to necessitate re-building it. Drilling out rivets has become a cardinal sin around our shop. :) Any helpful hints would be greatly appreciated. Tom and Brenda Henderson 601XL Scratch Building from Plans ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:01 PM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "T. Graziano" I also agonized over this, but found that the brake lines and the pitot = and static tubes do in fact fit. I also had previously askedZenith if I = could drill some access holes at the center of the center spar webs as = this is where the lowest loads occur (neutral axis) but the reply was = "not recommended".I enclosed the brake and pitot/static lines in ribed = wire conduit and used adel type clamps on both sides of the spar to hold = them close to the bottom edge of the center spar webs' lightening holes = and to prevent movement. I have dual sticks and there is absolutely no = contact with any moving parts.For electrical wiring, I used both sides = of the cockpit rail channel. I have wiring for the flaps, autopilot, = ELT (phone line), cabin lights, tail light, EFIS magnetometer and coax = for comm and transponder tucked underneath the cockpit rails. and = exiting with ribbed conduit at the end near the seats and then going = aft, down to the area behind the seats or in the case for the cabin = lights and magnetometer up around the cargo compartment bow. Somehow it = all fit. I was very careful that there was absolutely no chafing, or = proved chafing protection where possibly required.Tony = GrazianoN493TG601XL/Jab3300A; 99.8 hrsWiring around wing carry through = on 601Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" = Has anyone got any good ideas on how to get wiring and the pitot tubes = =3D from the rear fuselage to the front cabin area . Getting around the wing = =3D carry through has given me fits. Zenith says they don't want me to drill = =3D holes in it for grommets even though AMD did. AMD says they are working = =3D on a way to go along the top rail. I don't see a good way to do that . I = =3D have the center stick and it and the rudder cable take up the only =3D lightning hole. I am thinking about running them along the inside edge of both seats in = =3D plastic conduits and hoping the upholstery will be thick enough to =3D conceal and protect the conduits and not be objectionable. There are a = =3D lot of wires and tubes to go through there on my installation. Brian Briggerman Fountain Hills, AZ=3D20 90% done and 190% to go ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:47 PM PST US From: "Paul Hartl" Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac wheel pants --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" To those nattering nabobs of negativism ...... I got my ZAC-supplied wheel pants on my HDS last weekend, and finally got a quiet enough night to go up and do some runs to determine if they were good for anything. Surprise! - after spending almost an hour of running upwind and then downwind (and up and down, and up and down...)at a pressure altitude of 7100', temp of 20 degrees C, a fuel burn of 4.2 gph @ RPM of 2650, I was getting a TAS of close to 122 mph - which is about 6 mph better than I was getting two weeks ago without the pants at very similar conditions. Granted, it is not easy to get these measurements, but after several careful runs upwind and downwind, I'm pretty convinced that my HDS is now a 105 kt cruiser at 4.2 gph - up from its old 100 kt status at the same fuel burn. Now, you say, "how do you know you were running exactly upwind and downwind"? It's not really that difficult, actually. First, check what the winds aloft are supposed to be doing, then get up there and point your airplane in that direction (or 180 degrees to it), find a landmark to line up on, then putt along to see if you're drifting, and if you are, make a correction so that you aren't drifting anymore. At the same time, carefully watch your GPS and see if it agrees by noting if these directions correspond with maximum and minimum ground speeds. After a few minutes of playing around with these variables, you'll have a pretty good idea of wind direction. Then just make a series of upwind and downwind runs, recording your IAS and GS, holding altitude, RPM and fuel burn constant. After a while, you'll see that your data is pretty re-producible. Then, all you need to do is average your upwind GS with your downwind GS and you'll have TAS. Compare with IAS to get CAS (see last month's "Sport Aviation" for equation). The only major variable with this method is changing wind conditions - which may occur - so it's best to pick as quiet of night (or morning) as possible. You also want to make sure you're keeping an eye out for traffic, as you can get pretty busy watching all these items and then writing them down. One more thing - the wheel pants make for a much better, and yes, even faster looking airplane. Tower noticed them immediately as I taxied past him tonight and complimented me on the improved look, and I had to agree! One negative - they're a pain-in-the-arse to fit properly. Just my two cents, of course, and worth the paper it's written on .... Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 45 hrs, 56 landings Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:13 PM PST US From: "Paul Hartl" Subject: Zenith-List: Essential instruments --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" Just a note to those considering what instruments to put in your panel .... Fuel flow meter ? I debated putting a fuel flow meter in my panel, as they are expensive, but I am very, very happy I did. Fuel burn is extremely variable, and just a few mph change can greatly effect it. In my Jab-powered HDS, I can cruise @ 4.2 gph @122 mph (RPM 2650), or I can do about 135 mph @ 8 gph (RPM 2900). That's a huge penalty to pay for a mere 13 mph increase, but it would be much, much harder to see if I couldn't constantly monitor flow. With a fuel flow meter, you can tweak your burn as you fly; without it, you're guessing and can only estimate what has happened when you fill up. BTW, I bought the cheapest one I could find - an Aussie-made "MiZer" - and it works very well. Voltmeter versus ammeter? Emphatically both! A voltmeter tells you the status of your battery (and backup battery on the Dynon, as well as the Dynon's own internal backup). But the ammeter tells you what is going on in your electrical system at each moment in time. This is especially important for Jab-powered aircraft, as the Jabs have pretty pathetic 15-amp alternators. Tonight, I was running both strobes and nav lights, and I could take comfort that my batteries were maintaining charge by watching the ammeter stay in the positive (until throttling down for landing), and comparing with the voltmeter. To me the ammeter is a lot like the fuel flow mater, you just know a lot less about what your systems are doing without it. Is the Dynon overkill in an HDS? Frank makes a very good point about getting a Tru-Track AP for the same money, but I gotta say that I love my Dynon. I mean, it takes the place of about 10 instruments in a tiny, easy-to-read display (requiring no scan, BTW), it costs less than those instruments would separately, and it means that my little Zodiac too is part of the "glass age". It even calculates density altitude for goodness sake! Maybe Frank is right, but you better not try and get between me and my Dynon - it makes a little airplane like a Zodiac seem so much more sophisticated! Digital tach versus analogue? Digital - it's much easier to keep a steady RPM. Of course, digital is not cheap. CHT meter on each cylinder. Yes. If you want a good idea of what's going on where, oil temp is just not enough. Just my 2 cents again. Hope I didn't bore anyone..... Paul Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 45 hrs, 56 landings Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:01 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac Forced Landing --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower No way! I will not make the same mistake twice :-) :-) An old man here used to say: With so many great ladies all over, why marry ONE? Never own a single seater airplane, best side by side :-) :-) Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive PLEASE (Or IL be Dead! :-) :-) JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Gary, maybe get a new wife, Huh ? Got to be a lot of fine looking ladies looking for a pilot that owns his own airplane, Best to you, Bill --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.