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1. 04:46 AM - Re: AnywhereMap (Geoff Heap)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: AnywhereMap (John Bolding)
3. 05:04 AM - I did not get the 5/24 list (Larry Whitlow)
4. 05:30 AM - Re: Cortec 373 and airframe ground continuity (Ken Lilja)
5. 06:21 AM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (LarryMcFarland)
6. 06:50 AM - Re: Air tools & Compressor (Chris Lewis)
7. 07:14 AM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (Chuck & Lana Maggart)
8. 07:52 AM - Anywhere Map (Paul Hartl)
9. 08:11 AM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (N5SL)
10. 09:28 AM - Re: Dual Control Stick Option (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
11. 09:29 AM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (Brian Briggerman)
12. 11:16 AM - Zodiac Forced Landing / Corvair Engine / Warp Drive (Condon, Philip M.)
13. 11:34 AM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing / Corvair Engine / Warp Drive (Michael Valentine)
14. 11:40 AM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing / Corvair Engine / Warp Drive (Craig Payne)
15. 12:24 PM - Re: Filliform Corrosion (Ken Lilja)
16. 03:10 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Chuck Deiterich)
17. 04:35 PM - Re: Re: Corvair engine (Steve Hulland)
18. 04:42 PM - Re: Cortec 373 and airframe ground continuity (george may)
19. 05:24 PM - Re: Zodiac Forced Landing (Randy Stout)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
I used anywhere map with an Ipaq untill about 18 months ago. When my 701 is finished
I'll put a dedicated unit in it. Probably a Garmin 296. The AW map on my
Ipaq worked just fine. I liked it a lot. It does all they claimed. Refresh was
a litttle slow but the Ipaq was a 2002 model. What turned me off was that it
was installed in volatile memory and if I let it sit for a month the batterry
would die and lose the AW map. Soooo I had to keep reinstalling it. You can move
it to a non volatile area of memory but the installation has to be just right.
I personally think it was too much trouble. I have an older black and white
unit that I havn't used for years and I know that I can turn it on tomorrow
and it will pick up 3 satellites and give my location within 2 minutes. Maybe
the pocket PC's they make today are better in this respect, probably. Cut a long
story short. The software is great.......Geoff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36346#36346
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Bolding" <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
I have used the Anywhere Map for several years and have found ways to =
work around the couple of things that give me problems.
Their customer support is VERY good. At Oshkosh and Sun Fun they update =
any Controlvision unit for free.
The display and its operation keep me using it.
The thing that gave me trouble at first was the fact that I'm not =
computer literate and downloading updates always hit a snag. Solved it =
by having the program loaded to a flash card and keeping it with the =
unit.
If the battery on the pda runs down it dumps the program and must be =
reloaded, big problem for me if doing it on the computer ,no problem if =
using the flash card. Takes about 5 min.
For a nominal charge I got Control Vision to burn a card for my wife's =
PDA as well so I can carry a backup for less than $50.
I use an Ipac PDA, a larger screen on a tablet computer would be worth =
the money. John
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| Subject: | I did not get the 5/24 list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Whitlow" <ldwhitlow@comcast.net>
Is there a problem or do I have to take it up with Comcast??
Enquiring minds.......
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec 373 and airframe ground continuity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
Rory Davis wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rory Davis <n7cr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Has anyone using Cortec 373 primer had any problems with high airframe ground
> resistance or intermittent grounding?
>
> Cortec being a plastic (insulator), doesn't it electrically isolate each side
of
> the metal joint if applied between the two halves, with ground continuity
> relying on the rivets and scratches/imperfections in the primer?
>
> I'm getting ready to close up the first wing on my 701 kit and in the process
of
> installing the strobe box and fuel tank grounding got to thinking about this.
I
> scraped away the layer of primer at the grounding points but then realized all
> the ribs and channels may be electrically isolated from each other. This could
> make for noisy radio comms or odd electrical faults in the future.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Rory
> Lacombe, LA
> CH701 Working on wings
Also, an anodized surface is high resistance. I don't know about
alodine. Allot of airframes are bonded (glued sheet metal)
construction. I wonder if they have any problems.
Ken Lilja
601XL rudder done.
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Craig,
I wanted a simple way to charge both batteries separately using Battery
Tenders that can be left on during the winter.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/electrical/full/chargeportassy2.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/electrical/full/chargeplugs.gif
I also have a Dzus cover for when it's not being used.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
Craig Payne wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
>I've got to ask: why are there what look like two cigarette lighter outlets
>opening out the bottom of your fuselage?
>
>-- Craig
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air tools & Compressor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Lewis" <christopherlewis@earthlink.net>
You can also use a Filter Silencer like th eone shown in the attachment. I got
mine at Grainger and it helped quiet down my Home Depot 30 gallon unit.
Chris in Seattle
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701 Scratch Builder
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck & Lana Maggart" <cmaggart@sprintmail.com>
Brian, I have the same problem. Nick at ZAC didn't like the idea of =
drilling holes in the spar web. I am running as much as possible =
beneath the canopy sills. I am running the hydraulic lines and flap =
wiring through the holes in the forward, outboard seat bottoms ( in =
separate conduits). I was able to get the elevator trim and tail light =
wires under the l/h canopy sill. I ran the comm and GPS antenna cables =
under the r/h canopy sill. I used spiral wrap or clear plastic tubing =
to protect the cables and hoses. I have not run the pitot/static lines =
yet, but plan to bring them through the same hole (in the seat bottom) =
as the brake line uses. Hopefully the upholstery will cover most of =
this up.
I seriously considered making a tunnel under the floor to run the large =
amount of wires and tubes, It would have been nice if ZAC provided some =
means of penetrating the spar. I wonder how they ran the wiring on the =
demonstrator?
Chuck Maggart
XL, structure done, installations nearly done
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
Hi Danny,
I have an Anywhere Map, using the cheaper "MIO" PDA option. I really
like the Anywhere Map program and the capabilities of the PDA - the MIO
even has a built-in street map GPS that comes with it free - but it is
not a very bright screen, and is less than optimal in bright daylight.
You can still see it, but it's not nearly as bright as I want it to be.
I was also given an "AvMap GeoPilot" (Sporty's exclusive) that is much
brighter, but has fewer cool options, no street map, and is not a PDA.
I use the GeoPilot for flying and keep the MIO/AnywhereMap in my flight
bag as a backup and as a street map GPS. (The MIO PDA also does Excel
spreadsheets, Word documents, and hooks in to other computers for email
and web-browsing).
I have thought about selling the MIO a few times, and might be
persuaded to sell it at a reduced price - but I kind of like having a
backup and the street map, too. I've had it for a year and have
subscription updates through September.
Paul
Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 45 hrs, 56 landings
Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl
Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Brian:
I used split loom and ran it through the center hole
in the spar near the bottom. It runs under the
control parts for the center yoke and rudder cables.
I was able to use the round, split-loom clamps to hold
it out of the way of the controls. I plan to tie-wrap
the tubing to this also to hold it out of the way of
the controls. I have a lot of wires in my yoke for
PTT, trim tabs, and frequency switch that are
contained in split loom also and tie-wrapped to the
yoke.
I'll try to take a photo of the loom, etc. this
afternoon and post it.
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
Finished BRS Harness installation,
working on Canopy
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/index.html
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian
> Briggerman" <blb7037@cox.net>
>
> Has anyone got any good ideas on how to get wiring
> and the pitot tubes =
> from the rear fuselage to the front cabin area .
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Control Stick Option |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Tom, I purchased the duel kit from ZAC (maybe the 1st or 2nd built) and
installed when the side skins of the fuselage were still removable. Made it a ton
easier. You have to fish a special wrench inside the center spar to hold the
nuts for the bolts that attach the stick brackets. Also, the rear bracket that
holds the center control tube is different from the center yoke tube and has to
be bolted on. So easy from the sides, a difficult event from the top I
suppose. On the fuselage I recommend you hold off as long as possible before
riveting skins as the ability to get in and under for instruments, wiring, cables
and
plumbing is greatly limited once all is nailed down. Best regards, Bill of
Georgia
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" <blb7037@cox.net>
Tony:
That looks like the best way to honor Zenith's request not to drill the =
carry through. I wondered if I could get by with running a ribbed =
conduit along the inboard edge of the seat cushions and let the seat =
cushion hide the conduits? I did see an AMD built 601 here in Arizona =
yesterday and they drill two holes three inches from the outboard end of =
the carry through midway between top and bottom for their stuff and it =
got certified "Light Sport" with that.=20
I appreciate everyone's response to the problem.
Brian Briggerman
601XL builder=20
Fountain Hills, AZ
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| Subject: | Zodiac Forced Landing / Corvair Engine / Warp Drive |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
I have seen three VW conversions that fractured the crank just back of
the prop that all had the Warp Drive prop. I have also read many
stories on other engine applications and Warp Drive props (but have not
personally witnessed them). I have followed many e-mail threads on the
combo of the Warp Drive carbon fiber blade props and crank damage too.
Can this instance of Corvair crank breakage be a artifact of the Warp
Drive Prop and not so much the crank being nitrated ?? Does anyone
know if Mr.. Langford's Corvair crank failure had a Warp Drive prop ??
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac Forced Landing / Corvair Engine / Warp Drive |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
Nope. Sensenich 54x54
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/flexplate/problem.html
Michael Valentine
On 5/25/06, Condon, Philip M. <pcondon@mitre.org> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org=
>
>
> I have seen three VW conversions that fractured the crank just back of
> the prop that all had the Warp Drive prop. I have also read many
> stories on other engine applications and Warp Drive props (but have not
> personally witnessed them). I have followed many e-mail threads on the
> combo of the Warp Drive carbon fiber blade props and crank damage too.
> Can this instance of Corvair crank breakage be a artifact of the Warp
> Drive Prop and not so much the crank being nitrated ?? Does anyone
> know if Mr.. Langford's Corvair crank failure had a Warp Drive prop ??
>
>
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| Subject: | Zodiac Forced Landing / Corvair Engine / Warp Drive |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Of the four original breaks only one had run a (modified) Warp Drive. Look a
little more than half-way down http://flycorvair.com/crankissues.html for a
description of the four engines and their installations.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Filliform Corrosion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
Use ACF50 or Corrosion X about 6 months after painting and every 2 years
after that. It is an interior corrosion treatment that works itself
between all parts. Alodine will "kill" corrosion. Mechanically clean
the area first, apply the cleaner, wash, apply the Alodine and wash.
Repaint as required.
Ken Lilja
Instructor, Aviation Institute of Maintenance
Dave Ruddiman wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
>
> Michael,
>
> It's interesting that you posted this question. I just sent a similar one to
> the Aeronca group, of which I am also a member. I left my slat and flaperon
> kit for my 801 unopened and outside. Although covered up, it drew enough
> dampness to be wet on the metal and the paper that it was wrapped in. This
> happened in only a month. The metal is grayish and not shinny where the
> pieces were touching. I thought maybe scotchbrite and either primer or ACF
> 50 or Corrosion X. I to am interested in other ideas for a solution.
>
> Dave in Salem
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:25 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Filliform Corrosion
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine"
>><mgvalentine@gmail.com>
>>
>>Listers,
>>
>>A few months back, there was a mention of filliform corrosion. I have
>>wing skins that have sat for a couple years and now have light
>>corrosion. When I heavily scuff them up with scotchbrite (green, btw)
>>it takes off the whitish, obvious corrosion. But, when I wipe it down
>>you can still see the shadow of the corrosion.
>>
>>You can see filliform corrosion here
>>http://homepage.mac.com/csteiner/PhotoAlbum9.html and similar pictures
>>posted by Dan Morehouse at
>><http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/messydeer@yahoo.com.02.11.2006/>
>>Dan's pictures show the shadows in the "Blendex Only" photo.
>>
>>I don't recall from that discussion whether people believed the
>>corrosion was "dead" at that point, or whether one should do more.
>>Dan obviously did more. I don't have Alumiprep or ACF50 (discussed in
>>a post by Jim Weston), though I could obviously pick some up
>>somewhere. I plan on applying Cortec after the preparation, though I
>>was only going to do contact surfaces, not the complete skin. Will
>>the Cortec be sufficient to stop the spread?
>>
>>Note - I am not a perfectionist, I am a builder! If it means the skin
>>needs to be replaced in 20 years instead of 40, and the steps
>>necessary to truly kill the corrosion involves lots of time and
>>chemicals, then I would opt for 20.
>>
>>Any suggestions?
>>
>>Thanks, Michael Valentine
>>
>>BTW, thanks all for the advice on the pneumatic riveter - a few drops
>>of oil did the trick.
>>
>>do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac Forced Landing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cffd@pgrb.com>
Randy,
How long did the engine run after the vibration started, and was it running
with a broken crank?
Chuck D.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac Forced Landing
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Yes. it was my plane.
>
> I was planning on flying to the factory Friday, but decided to go to
Dallas to visit my family instead. Saturday, on the way back, the engine
developed a vibration that got worse very quickly. I ended up shutting down
the engine and landing in a oat field about 20 miles east of Temple TX. Good
thing it happened where it did as I would have been over the Texas Hill
country in about 20-30 more minutes. Not many landing spots there. If I had
of gone to the factory, it probably would have happened over the Ozark
Mountains.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Hulland" <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Chris,
Please email me if you still have any interest. There are several folks who
have serious interest - since you were one of the first to inquire, I
thought you should have a bit of priority.
Please advise if you are not interested.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec 373 and airframe ground continuity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Ken--
I used cortec throughout, however, I cleaned all electrical contact area.
I'm running an all electrical panel using Dynon EFIS and Dynon FlightDeck
along with autopilot, com ,nav, and transponder and have had no problems so
far in my electrical checkout. No noise on radio and the Dynons are working
ok so far.
George May
601XL 912s
>From: Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cortec 373 and airframe ground continuity
>Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:29:09 -0400
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
>
>Rory Davis wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rory Davis <n7cr@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Has anyone using Cortec 373 primer had any problems with high airframe
>ground
> > resistance or intermittent grounding?
> >
> > Cortec being a plastic (insulator), doesn't it electrically isolate each
>side of
> > the metal joint if applied between the two halves, with ground
>continuity
> > relying on the rivets and scratches/imperfections in the primer?
> >
> > I'm getting ready to close up the first wing on my 701 kit and in the
>process of
> > installing the strobe box and fuel tank grounding got to thinking about
>this. I
> > scraped away the layer of primer at the grounding points but then
>realized all
> > the ribs and channels may be electrically isolated from each other. This
>could
> > make for noisy radio comms or odd electrical faults in the future.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Rory
> > Lacombe, LA
> > CH701 Working on wings
>
>Also, an anodized surface is high resistance. I don't know about
>alodine. Allot of airframes are bonded (glued sheet metal)
>construction. I wonder if they have any problems.
>Ken Lilja
>601XL rudder done.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac Forced Landing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
I assume the vibration was the result of a broken crank, so yes it was
running while the crank was broken. Maybe 2 minutes tops while the
vibration was light. As soon as it became severe, I shut off the engine.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: Chuck Deiterich <cffd@pgrb.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/25/2006 5:17:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac Forced Landing
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cffd@pgrb.com>
>
> Randy,
> How long did the engine run after the vibration started, and was it
running
> with a broken crank?
> Chuck D.
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