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1. 04:34 AM - Re: Cortec 373 and airframe ground continuity (steveadams)
2. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: Cortec 373 and airframe ground continuity (Paul Mulwitz)
3. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: Cortec 373 and airframe ground continuity (Edward Moody II)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 (Brian Briggerman)
5. 07:32 AM - Rudder Needed (Rick Lach)
6. 07:41 AM - Re: Rudder Needed (Edward Moody II)
7. 07:56 AM - 701 rudder (Zed Smith)
8. 07:58 AM - Re: Corvair engine (Chris Lewis)
9. 08:06 AM - Re: Rudder Needed (Randy Bryant)
10. 08:19 AM - Re: Rudder Needed (Robert Schoenberger)
11. 08:44 AM - Notice for 690's (Gpjann@aol.com)
12. 08:53 AM - Re: Rudder Needed (ken smith)
13. 11:45 AM - Riveting oneself into a corner (Tommy Walker)
14. 11:48 AM - Re: Rudder Needed (Steve Hulland)
15. 04:28 PM - Re: Riveting oneself into a corner (Stanley Challgren)
16. 04:42 PM - Re: Air tools (Dave Thompson)
17. 06:31 PM - Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (Jerome Simons)
18. 07:14 PM - Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
19. 07:22 PM - Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (William Dominguez)
20. 07:28 PM - Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (LarryMcFarland)
21. 07:38 PM - Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (DICK WILBERS)
22. 07:51 PM - Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (Paul Mulwitz)
23. 08:23 PM - Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (jsimons2)
24. 08:23 PM - Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (Paul Mulwitz)
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec 373 and airframe ground continuity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
You will want to remove the primer and have bare metal wherever you connect a ground
directly to the airframe, but I wouldn't worry about lack of continuity
at the joints due to the primer. Even with some resistance due to the primer,
there is such a huge surface area that I don't think it is an issue with the currents
we are talking about. I am no expert, so you may want to search the aeroelectric
list to see what they have said about it.
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec 373 and airframe ground continuity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I think insulation in the joints could ruin the ground provided by
the airframe. Even though there is a lot of good conductor between
the joints something close to complete circuit isolation could take
place at the joints. If this happens there will be no ground
connection at all for the remote circuits.
The biggest problem (besides complete circuit failure) I would expect
would be interference with radio clarity generated by the strobes.
Fortunately, it is relatively easy to measure the impact of joint
isolation. Just measure the resistance from one end of the plane to
the other with a multimeter. I would be concerned with anything
over 100 milliohms. If the resistance is large the solution would be
to run separate ground wires from the remote devices to the battery
or common ground point.
Paul
XL wings
recovering circuit designer
At 04:25 AM 5/26/2006, you wrote:
>You will want to remove the primer and have bare metal wherever you
>connect a ground directly to the airframe, but I wouldn't worry
>about lack of continuity at the joints due to the primer. Even with
>some resistance due to the primer, there is such a huge surface area
>that I don't think it is an issue with the currents we are talking
>about. I am no expert, so you may want to search the aeroelectric
>list to see what they have said about it.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec 373 and airframe ground continuity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
The rivets should provide enough electrical continuity through the joints.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / wings
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cortec 373 and airframe ground continuity
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
>
> You will want to remove the primer and have bare metal wherever you
> connect a ground directly to the airframe, but I wouldn't worry about lack
> of continuity at the joints due to the primer. Even with some resistance
> due to the primer, there is such a huge surface area that I don't think it
> is an issue with the currents we are talking about.
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring around wing carry through on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" <blb7037@cox.net>
Chuck:
Thanks for your response. I am heading the same way you are. I did run =
my brake lines in Aluminum tubing and run them along the bottom longeron =
to get them forward of the wing carry through. That helped a lot but =
it's amazing how many wires show up in a Light Sport Airplane. I am =
using the external wire way as a backup plan that several listeners have =
suggested. I do have access to an AMD built 601 and they had a lot of =
the same problems we are having. They drilled two holes for a 1/2" ID =
grommet in the carry through three inches from the outboard end and =
three inches up from the bottom. They are running right along side the =
fuel lines which is against 43-13 guidelines. Anyway they got it =
certified that way.
Cheers!
Brian Briggerman
Fountain Hills, AZ
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Lach" <rick@ravengear.us>
I am repairing a damaged 701 and need a Rudder. The one I have is too
damaged to repair. Anyone that can help can reach me at rick@ravengear.us
Thanks
Rick Lach
Raven Aviation
P.O. Box 378
Kernville, Calif. 93238
Shop: 661-345-7755
Cell: 661-337-0575
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Needed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Check the archives. I remember someone wanting to sell a rudder built at a
rudder workshop. Don't recall if it was a 701 or a 601.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / wings
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Needed
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Lach" <rick@ravengear.us>
>
> I am repairing a damaged 701 and need a Rudder. The one I have is too
> damaged to repair. Anyone that can help can reach me at rick@ravengear.us
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
If all else fails Zenith has new rudder kits for about US$300.
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Zed/701/R912/etc
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Lewis" <christopherlewis@earthlink.net>
Steve - I'm good for now, thanks for keeping me in the loop.
cl
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Needed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
Check out http://www.barnstormers.com there are usually parts for sale there
like you are looking for...
Thanks,
Randy Bryant
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.N344RB.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Needed
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
>
> Check the archives. I remember someone wanting to sell a rudder built at a
> rudder workshop. Don't recall if it was a 701 or a 601.
>
> Ed Moody II
> Rayne, LA
> 601XL / wings
> Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Needed
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Lach" <rick@ravengear.us>
>>
>> I am repairing a damaged 701 and need a Rudder. The one I have is too
>> damaged to repair. Anyone that can help can reach me at rick@ravengear.us
>
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Needed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
I'd bet a dollar that ZAC in Mexico, MO has some rudders stored away that
people built in the workshop and which were going to be shipped along with
the rest of the tail kit which was never subsequently purchased. I know we
flew out and couldn't take the rudder home with us on the plane. If we
hadn't ordered the rest of the tail kit, they would still have our rudder.
A quick phone call to the owner would probably get you a rudder quite
inexpensively. The owner would get a few bucks, ZAC would free up some
space, and you'd have a rudder. A win - win - win. FWIW Robert
Schoenberger 701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Needed
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
>
> Check the archives. I remember someone wanting to sell a rudder built at a
> rudder workshop. Don't recall if it was a 701 or a 601.
>
> Ed Moody II
> Rayne, LA
> 601XL / wings
> Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Needed
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Lach" <rick@ravengear.us>
>>
>> I am repairing a damaged 701 and need a Rudder. The one I have is too
>> damaged to repair. Anyone that can help can reach me at rick@ravengear.us
>
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Notice for 690's |
CC: zenith-list@matronics.com
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gpjann@aol.com
Joel, please broadcast following message, if it's not too late...
Thanks, Greg
Project review Saturday, May 27
10-12 Noon
Zodiac 601XL
Jerry Fischer
722 Lincoln Dr.
Winder, Ga
678-425-0262
Take US 29, Winder Hwy east
In city of Carl,Turn left at stoplight onto Carl-Cedar Hill Rd.
After about 4 miles road changes name to Rockwell-Church Rd at SR211.
After crossing SR211, go about 1/2 mile and turn left onto Chicken Lyle Rd.
About 1 mile turm left into subdivision onto Lincoln Dr.
4th house on left.....
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Needed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ken smith <lrepilot@yahoo.com>
I was at the ZAC factory last Saturday for the Corvair
seesion, and I saw several assembled rudders on their
Mezzanine that lokked like they had been there for a
while, looking for a new home.
--- Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert
> Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>
> I'd bet a dollar that ZAC in Mexico, MO has some
> rudders stored away that
> people built in the workshop and which were going to
> be shipped along with
> the rest of the tail kit which was never
> subsequently purchased. I know we
> flew out and couldn't take the rudder home with us
> on the plane. If we
> hadn't ordered the rest of the tail kit, they would
> still have our rudder.
> A quick phone call to the owner would probably get
> you a rudder quite
> inexpensively. The owner would get a few bucks, ZAC
> would free up some
> space, and you'd have a rudder. A win - win - win.
> FWIW Robert
> Schoenberger 701
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Needed
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> >
> > Check the archives. I remember someone wanting to
> sell a rudder built at a
> > rudder workshop. Don't recall if it was a 701 or a
> 601.
> >
> > Ed Moody II
> > Rayne, LA
> > 601XL / wings
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Needed
> >
> >
> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Lach"
> <rick@ravengear.us>
> >>
> >> I am repairing a damaged 701 and need a Rudder.
> The one I have is too
> >> damaged to repair. Anyone that can help can reach
> me at rick@ravengear.us
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| Subject: | Riveting oneself into a corner |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
Like the proverbial painter, I've gotten myself into a corner and wondered if anyone
has a solution short of drilling all the rivets out and starting over correctly.
If you look at the attached picture, you can see where my problem is. I can't
get the two holes in the 7F12-4 Gusset riveted. The problem is caused by the
15 degree angle in the 7F5-2SP Side Channel. I should have set these two rivets
in the Gusset and tubes before I set it in place, but I didn't There's not
enough room for my manual or air powered rivet guns to set the rivet flush.
I tried grinding off the side of the nose on the rivet gun, but still can't get
the head to set flush.
Any ideas would be appreciated. I bought a cheap HF rivet gun with a swivel head
thinking I might be able to wiggle around and get it to work.... Alas, all
my wiggling has been for naught.
[Rolling Eyes]
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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Tommy Walker
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Needed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Hulland" <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Rick,
Forgot - Melissa and I think our rudder was one of the best made at the
workshop we attended. We were last done because we took lots of time. I
still have the wodden shipping box, so freight would not be bad from the
Tucson area to your home via Truck or if allowed UPS. If we agree on cost,
it will include me boxing up the rudder and taking it to the shipping place
for you. Freight cost and method will be included in selling cost. However,
if you decide on ours, be sure to get insurance for "completed airplane
parts" valued at $500.00 or so. Or have me purchase the insurance under you=
r
name so that you are the one who would get reimbursed. If I get the chance =
I
will check on freight today or Wednesday of next week. I work on Tuesday.
Steve
On 5/26/06, Rick Lach <rick@ravengear.us> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Lach" <rick@ravengear.us>
>
> I am repairing a damaged 701 and need a Rudder. The one I have is too
> damaged to repair. Anyone that can help can reach me at rick@ravengear.us
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Rick Lach
>
>
> Raven Aviation
>
> P.O. Box 378
>
> Kernville, Calif. 93238
>
> Shop: 661-345-7755
>
> Cell: 661-337-0575
>
>
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Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 701, Amado, AZ
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Cc: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
| Subject: | Re: Riveting oneself into a corner |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
On May 26, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Tommy Walker wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker"
> <twalker@cableone.net>
>
> Like the proverbial painter, I've gotten myself into a corner and
> wondered if anyone has a solution short of drilling all the rivets
> out and starting over correctly.
>
> If you look at the attached picture, you can see where my problem
> is. I can't get the two holes in the 7F12-4 Gusset riveted. The
> problem is caused by the 15 degree angle in the 7F5-2SP Side
> Channel. I should have set these two rivets in the Gusset and
> tubes before I set it in place, but I didn't There's not enough
> room for my manual or air powered rivet guns to set the rivet
> flush. I tried grinding off the side of the nose on the rivet gun,
> but still can't get the head to set flush.
>
> Tommy:
> If all else fails, would a bolt and nut work?
Stan
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Thompson" <dave.thompson@verizon.net>
Chris,
How do you like the HD compressor? Is it the Husky VT631562? That's # 2 on
my list under the Sears 19552. They are both about the same price and
configuration. The Sears claims 6 CFM @ 90 PSI where the Husky is 5.8 CFM @
90PSI. I know, not much difference.
To all the people that responded to my original compressor question, THANK
YOU!
Dave Thompson
dave.thompson@verizon.net
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jerome Simons" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
Ok, so I went to the Mid Atlantic Fly-In and came away with a decision and a
blessing. After seeing some of the other aircraft I had been looking at, I
wound up back with the 601 HDS. This will be the one I will attempt to
build. The blessing??? After a long conversation with a seminar spokesman,
my wife gave me her blessing to build an aircraft. (Thank you Mr. Speaker) I
have also been leaning strongly towards using a Corvair conversion (using
WW's bible of course) and would like some solid performance figures from
those of you who use this configuration. Also, any advantages /
disadvantages between using conventional gear and tri-gear. All answers and
opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Jerome Simons
Near future scrap builder
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Ya...Buy one already built...Mine of course...:)
The HDS is an excellent little airplane, but if were going to build one
I would build an XL unless the loss of the wing baggage was an absolute
show stopper. Its handling is a little twitchy but it is great fun to
fly.
If you are a low time pilot with nosewheel only experience I would keep
away from the taildragger...Nothing wrong with the TD its just easier to
get training in nosewheel irplanes these days and TD's can bite you as
they require you to always be on the ball during landing.
I can' comment on the Corvair, lots of people seem to like them.
Frank
601 HDS 400 hours, Stratus soob with Ram heads
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerome
Simons
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 6:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jerome Simons"
--> <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
Ok, so I went to the Mid Atlantic Fly-In and came away with a decision
and a blessing. After seeing some of the other aircraft I had been
looking at, I wound up back with the 601 HDS. This will be the one I
will attempt to build. The blessing??? After a long conversation with a
seminar spokesman, my wife gave me her blessing to build an aircraft.
(Thank you Mr. Speaker) I have also been leaning strongly towards using
a Corvair conversion (using WW's bible of course) and would like some
solid performance figures from those of you who use this configuration.
Also, any advantages / disadvantages between using conventional gear and
tri-gear. All answers and opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Jerome Simons
Near future scrap builder
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Welcome to the club. Have you considered the 601 XL?
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601 XL
--- Jerome Simons <jsimons4@triad.rr.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jerome Simons"
> <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
>
> Ok, so I went to the Mid Atlantic Fly-In and came
> away with a decision and a
> blessing. After seeing some of the other aircraft I
> had been looking at, I
> wound up back with the 601 HDS. This will be the one
> I will attempt to
> build. The blessing??? After a long conversation
> with a seminar spokesman,
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> (Thank you Mr. Speaker) I
> have also been leaning strongly towards using a
> Corvair conversion (using
> WW's bible of course) and would like some solid
> performance figures from
> those of you who use this configuration. Also, any
> advantages /
> disadvantages between using conventional gear and
> tri-gear. All answers and
> opinions will be greatly appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Jerome,
Congratulations. The HDS and the Corvair are an excellent combination
aircraft. Despite the passionate
opinions on choice of tail dragger or trigear, I've flown the tri-gear
for only 85 hours and find the ability to
drive the aircraft over some rather rough material and getting the 601
in and out of the hangar easily are the
best advantages over the tail dragger. I also feel the airframe is less
disturbed by landings on less than great
turf or gravel or concrete. Steering is definitely positive and
directed as easily as the little red wagon.
The HDS has a thicker wing than the XL, but the three piece construction
lends itself to a really strong design.
I believe the older gear design is a pain to install, but a better,
lighter design than the solid Cessna configuration.
If you need help with anything or advice, this Zenith group is the best.
I built a 601HDS and really enjoyed the process of building from plans.
You will too.
See link,
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/winter601four.gif
Best recent advice (paint before you fly and save about 100 hours of
cleanup) :-)
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com (now painting)
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jerome Simons" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
>
>Ok, so I went to the Mid Atlantic Fly-In and came away with a decision and a
>blessing. After seeing some of the other aircraft I had been looking at, I
>wound up back with the 601 HDS. This will be the one I will attempt to
>build. The blessing??? After a long conversation with a seminar spokesman,
>my wife gave me her blessing to build an aircraft. (Thank you Mr. Speaker) I
>have also been leaning strongly towards using a Corvair conversion (using
>WW's bible of course) and would like some solid performance figures from
>those of you who use this configuration. Also, any advantages /
>disadvantages between using conventional gear and tri-gear. All answers and
>opinions will be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>Jerome Simons
>
>Near future scrap builder
>
>
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "DICK WILBERS" <RWILBERS@TAMPABAY.RR.COM>
Jerome:
Welcome to the Zenith builders group. I believe I would consider a 601 XL
due to the fact that it is light sport compliant, and maybe a little faster
with the Corvair. Either way, you are bound to have a great time and
encounter many different mind boggling attitudes before you finish.
Conventional gear is prettier, so my spouse says.
Richard
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Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jerome Simons"
--> <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
Ok, so I went to the Mid Atlantic Fly-In and came away with a decision and a
blessing. After seeing some of the other aircraft I had been looking at, I
wound up back with the 601 HDS. This will be the one I will attempt to
build. The blessing??? After a long conversation with a seminar spokesman,
my wife gave me her blessing to build an aircraft. (Thank you Mr. Speaker) I
have also been leaning strongly towards using a Corvair conversion (using
WW's bible of course) and would like some solid performance figures from
those of you who use this configuration. Also, any advantages /
disadvantages between using conventional gear and tri-gear. All answers and
opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Jerome Simons
Near future scrap builder
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Huh? What loss of wing baggage?
Paul
XL wings (with baggage lockers)
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At 07:08 PM 5/26/2006, you wrote:
>I would build an XL unless the loss of the wing baggage was an absolute
>show stopper. Its handling is a little twitchy but it is great fun to
>fly.
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jsimons2" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
Maybe I should introduce myself first. I've been lurking around here since January
and have really learned a lot just by reading the forums every day. I'm a
52 (almost 53) year old electrical inspector who has had the flying bug since
about 1970, but real life got in the way of doing anything about it. I started
on this serious quest to get an aircraft and a ppl about 2 years ago (when it
finally hit me that my kids were grown, gone and I didn't have to "pay" for them
anymore). My brother in law is a commercial pilot working for LabCorp and
has taken me up a few times, mostly to make sure my dream has not died.
I have considered the XL and still am. I just like the looks of the slightly cantilevered
wings on the HDS. I want to build a plane that is comfortable, has
plenty of speed for cross country and economical to operate (hence, considering
the Corvair conversion). The wing baggage lockers was one of the main reasons
for considering the HDS over the XL, however, speed and handleing is of more
importance. I have yet to begin flight training but have been around aircraft
a good part of my life (Navy, VietNam vet working on flight deck of an aircraft
carrier in catapults and arresting gear). I have many construction skills from
being an electrician for over 28 years, so trying to build an aircraft and
reading blueprints doesn't scare me.
By the way, I won't need a sheet metal break to build my plane. I already have
3 heating and air shops offering me the use of their 8' commercial breaks just
to see an aircraft built. Lol, lucky me.
I've learned a lot here and hope to learn even more as my building progresses.
Thanks to all.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36763#36763
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Jerome,
Welcome aboard. I am impressed with your decision to scrap build a Zodiac.
I opted to use the kit approach. That gets the folks at Zenith to do
the legwork acquiring materials and parts and to use their large
scale equipment and know-how to make the big parts that would be
difficult for me to do. Their volume purchasing allows them to get
better prices than I ever could buying smaller quantities, but of
course they get paid for their efforts and make a profit too. I could
have just bought the difficult parts from them, but I chose to let
them do the whole kit.
I also chose a Zodiac, but the XL seemed a better choice to me than
the HDS. It is a newer design with more performance and it is
larger. I understand it is a lot more stable in flight than the HDS
too, but I am not sure of that. It is the performance that was the
deciding factor for me.
I don't see any reason to use conventional landing gear unless your
heart is set on that. Tricycle gear is much easier to handle on the
ground. Tail draggers were never really meant to handle cross winds
or paved runways, but they can do both when an excellent pilot is at
the controls. Insurance for tail draggers costs more and the
companies tend to require long checkouts before they will cover you
at all. This is all because ground loop accidents are very common
with tail draggers. They are not particularly dangerous to the
occupants, but tend to bend the airplanes pretty badly.
There is a small penalty in cruise speed paid for the nose gear in
tricycle configuration. I don't think this one or two miles per hour
is worth the risks and difficulties of handling conventional gear.
I have never seen any performance information on the Corvair engines,
but I suspect they don't do all that well. Their real benefit seems
to be low cost rather than high performance or reliability. If you
are looking for a minimum cost to reach your first flight then the
Corvair may be your best choice. If it is performance you are after
and price is not such a big deal then I suggest you look into the Jabiru 3300.
Good luck in your project. I am sure you will find it rewarding.
Paul
XL wings
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>This will be the one I will attempt to
>build. The blessing??? After a long conversation with a seminar spokesman,
>my wife gave me her blessing to build an aircraft. (Thank you Mr. Speaker) I
>have also been leaning strongly towards using a Corvair conversion (using
>WW's bible of course) and would like some solid performance figures from
>those of you who use this configuration. Also, any advantages /
>disadvantages between using conventional gear and tri-gear. All answers and
>opinions will be greatly appreciated.
>
>
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