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1. 04:28 AM - Re: first hand infomation (Phil Maxson)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: first hand infomation (Roger)
3. 06:14 AM - Memorial Day (Bill Naumuk)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: Memorial Day (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
5. 06:30 AM - Re: First Flight G CBDG (Al Young)
6. 06:35 AM - MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED (Bill Naumuk)
7. 06:44 AM - Re: Rudder Rib #7 and #8 Underfitting in Spar (Big Gee)
8. 06:53 AM - Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED (Clyde Barcus)
9. 07:01 AM - Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED (David Mikesell)
10. 07:14 AM - Rudder horn Question (Hudsonmusic1@aol.com)
11. 07:17 AM - Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED (Paul Mulwitz)
12. 07:27 AM - Re: Riveting oneself into a corner. (Peter Barthold)
13. 07:44 AM - MIG/TIG (Bill Naumuk)
14. 07:59 AM - Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (Peter Barthold)
15. 08:10 AM - Re: Rudder Rib #7 and #8 Underfitting in Spar (William Dominguez)
16. 08:30 AM - Re: HDS twitchy ?? (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
17. 08:39 AM - Re: this "twitchy" nonsense (JAPhillipsGA@AOL.COM)
18. 08:41 AM - Re: Memorial Day (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
19. 08:44 AM - Re: Rudder horn Question (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
20. 08:49 AM - Re: MIG/TIG (David Mikesell)
21. 09:02 AM - Welders ()
22. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (Bill Naumuk)
23. 09:27 AM - Re: MIG/TIG (Bill Naumuk)
24. 09:53 AM - Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED (LarryMcFarland)
25. 10:09 AM - Re: MIG/TIG (Clyde Barcus)
26. 10:49 AM - 601 XL Question: How bumpy is the ride? (Daniel Vandenberg)
27. 11:24 AM - Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (jsimons2)
28. 11:31 AM - Re: 601 XL Question: How bumpy is the ride? (Paul Mulwitz)
29. 12:14 PM - 601 XL g-loading (Ron Hoskins)
30. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (LarryMcFarland)
31. 01:17 PM - Re: AnywhereMap (William Mileski)
32. 01:18 PM - Re: 601 XL Question: How bumpy is the ride? (lgingell)
33. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: bumpy ride?/ autopilot (Big Gee)
34. 03:03 PM - Two New Email Lists at Matronics and Wiki Reminder! (Matt Dralle)
35. 05:04 PM - Re: Rudder horn Question ()
36. 05:14 PM - Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED (Bill Naumuk)
37. 05:36 PM - Re: 601 XL g-loading (Bryan Martin)
38. 05:58 PM - 801: Trimming the Windshield (Scott)
39. 06:38 PM - Wiring (Jaybannist@cs.com)
40. 07:02 PM - Drilling landing gear (Gdascomb@aol.com)
41. 07:02 PM - Re: 801: Trimming the Windshield (n801bh@netzero.com)
42. 07:25 PM - Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (jsimons2)
43. 07:28 PM - Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED (N5SL)
44. 07:41 PM - Re: Wiring (Craig Payne)
45. 08:01 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (Brandon Tucker)
46. 08:19 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine (Jeff)
47. 08:34 PM - Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED (David Mikesell)
48. 10:25 PM - Zenith list In Cowl Radiators (sales@steelframe)
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| Subject: | Zenith-List:first hand infomation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
The way we did it in William's shop is to cut a circular piece of plywood
that matches the circular "face"of the nose bowl. Then drill holes it in
that match the prop hub. This will simulate where the spinner will be
mounted. Then, screw the nose bowl to the plywood with some temporary
screws and mount the whole contraption to the prop hub. When this is done,
it will be held in perfect position, so you can mount the nose bowl with the
permanent hardware. If you call William (or Gus who works in his hangar),
they can give you more exact dimensions.
Does that help?
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
>From: Roger <rspritchard@earthlink.net>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List:first hand infomation
>
>
>Phil,
>
>I am looking for some of that first hand information about mounting the
>nosebowl. How far
>behind the front face of the prop hub should it be? I just received a WW
>nosebowl that
>will go around a WW type prop hub.
>
>Thank you for any help,
>Roger Pritchard
>601XL/Corvair
>
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| Subject: | Zenith-List:first hand infomation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Roger <rspritchard@earthlink.net>
Phil,
Yes it does help.
Thank you,
Roger
601XL/Corvair
Nashua, NH
KASH
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
All-
One thing about being a pilot on Memorial Day- it gives you the =
ability to truly understand the incredible performance of Air =
Corps/Force personnel. While I was bouncing a C-150 around the patch, =
kids the same age as me were bringing B-17s home 25 years earlier on two =
engines, with half their empennage gone, getting shot at all the time =
with cannon shells the size of a roll of quarters. Have you ever seen a =
30mm cannon shell up close and personal? How about 1000s of them!
Twitchy? How about being sent up to fight the Red Baron with 50 =
hours under your belt in a plane that was unstable in all axes and was =
happiest making left turns- including on takeoff! Who cared about a 20 =
hour TBO when the life expectancy of the entire airframe (And the pilot) =
was only 10?
If this makes you feel like a wimp, get in line behind me. Thanks to =
our fathers, uncles, and grandfathers, we have the priviledge of =
bitching to our heart's content about, let's face it, trivia. There, I =
said it.=20
Thanks, Dad. Thanks, Uncle Joe. Thanks, Uncle John. Thanks, Uncle =
Steve. Thanks to all the vets.
Bill
=20
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| Subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
<<<<<< One thing about being a pilot on Memorial Day.......
Thanks, Dad. Thanks, Uncle Joe. Thanks, Uncle John. Thanks, Uncle =
Steve. Thanks to all the vets.>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Amen
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G CBDG |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@mchsi.com>
Best wishes to you both!. Great to hear of another 601 flying.
Regards.
Al Young
601XL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clive Richards" <stephen@crichards.flyer.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight G CBDG
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards"
> <stephen@crichards.flyer.co.uk>
>
> After 8 years work Ray Lasniers 601HD took its first flight today Sunday =
> 28 May at1320 Hrs from Sleap airfield.
> 601HD Rolls Royce Continental 0 200 Empty Weight 720 lbs will publish =
> performance
> details later.=20
> The test pilot found a few minor problems for us =
> to attend to, we need a trim=20
> tab on the rudder as he had to hold right boot to balance at cruse, the =
> elevator trim is insufficient,
> we beleve this can be resolved by increasing travel.=20
> We need a longer breather tube to remove oil vapor from engine =
> compartment.
> Three 20 minuite test flights were carried out and further testing will =
> continue once we have attended
> to minor problems.=20
>
> do not archive
> Clive Richards for Ray Lasnier
>
>
>
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| Subject: | MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
All-
While some HF tools are a good deal, I haven't received any =
recommendations for their welders. Considering the Lincoln my uncle is =
lending me is 35 years old and still works fine, looks like I'll go with =
either Lincoln or Miller.
I'm very comfortable with a stick welder, but realize it's =
yesterday's technology. The more options, the more outlay.=20
To help me narrow my choices:
1. What are the specific advantages to MIG and TIG, and how often =
can I expect to have to use them? If I only need the features once or =
twice, I'd be money ahead to contract those welds out instead of buying =
more welder than I need.
2. Welding rods are expensive, and the last couple inches of each =
are unusable. It makes sense from this standpoint to have continuous =
feed, but what is the relative expense of a spool of flux wire?=20
All input appreciated.
=
Bill
=20
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Rib #7 and #8 Underfitting in Spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com>
William-- with the aft rudder ribs, I found it much easier to do the complete bend
on the bending brake as they have straight edges and not bother to build the
forming blocks. ( it might be necessary to "tweak" the narrow edge (10 mm)
with the hand seamer pliers.
Fritz-- Corvair
William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez
Thanks. My forming block is 88mm. But I used the
bending brake only to pre-bend the part, then I used
the mallet to complete the bend and the part came up
just a fraction of millimeter bigger than the forming
block.
Thanks. My forming block is 88mm. But I used the
bending brake only to pre-bend the part, then I used
the mallet to complete the bend and the part came up
just a fraction of millimeter bigger than the forming
block.
Right now Im leaning toward remaking the parts
completely using new forming blocks with the right
dimensions.
William Dominguez
Plansbuilt Zodiac 601XL
--- Tom and Bren Henderson
wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tom and Bren
> Henderson
>
> You must come from the same type of fabrication
> background I did William. I made the exact same
> mistake you did when I first began my project.
>
> The 88mm dimension on Rib #2 is NOT the width
> of the rib. It's the width of the rib's FORMING
> BLOCK. If you add two materials (roughly 0.8 mm)
> and account for spring-back during forming you will
> end up with a 91mm wide rib, or very nearly so. As
> I formed these on a CNC brake, the forming block
> dimension didn't even register in my head. I have
> since added 1.5 mm to each dimension when omitting
> the forming blocks. Everything has fit well since
> then.
>
> I sent an email to Zenith months ago regarding
> this very subject. I was informed that many of the
> dimensions are to the limits of the forming blocks,
> and not the parts themselves. I find this to be
> very in-exact and confusing at times, but
> manageable.
>
> It would pay DOUBLE my plans price to receive
> fully dimensioned prints from Zenith with the
> FINISHED dimensions depicted. When I began laying
> out the parts in Solidworks (3D CAD) to throw at the
> CNC punches and lasers, I had no end of compounding
> calculations to arrive at the finished product.
>
> I'm hoping one day that Chris at Zenith
> actually reads some of these posts and shells out
> the $ for a professional to re-work the drawings.
> Heck, I'd offer mine if I thought he'd take them.
> lol Anyway, I hope this helped you.
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> William Dominguez wrote: -->
> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez
>
> I have all my rudder parts built as per plans. I did
> a
> test fit clamping the ribs to the spar and rib #7
> and
> #8 (6T4-7 and 6T4-8) are narrower right where it
> meet
> the spar. My rudder spar is within .5 millimeter
> accurate from top to bottom. According to the plans,
> rib #2 is 340 mm and #3 is 590 mm from the
> beginning
> of the doublers, that are 30 mm extended from the
> bottom of the spar.
>
> The width of the spar at the point where rib #2
> should
> be located is 91 mm however, the plans call for rib
> #2
> to be 88 mm in its wide side (projected). Im getting
> exactly 1.5 mm difference in each side between the
> flange of rib #2 and the flange of the spar. For rib
> #3 the difference is 2 mm in each side. I presented
> a
> piece of .016 skin and this difference would be
> noticeable. My rudder spar flange has the correct
> angle. I even presented the ribs in a drawing
> template
> of the spar that is 100% accurate with the plans
> dimensions and still getting this difference.
>
> If I slide up the ribs to the point where they fit
> correctly, #2 would have moved 35 mm and #3 would
> have
> moved 80 mm.
>
> I searched the archives and no one has had this
> problem so I dont know what to do. It seems that I
> might misinterpreted the plans but I cant see where.
>
> I have measured my parts several times and they are
> accurate with the plans.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> William Dominguez
> Plansbuilt Zodiac 601XL
> Working on the rudder
>
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| Subject: | Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
First, I am not an expert at welding, just a back yard do-it- yourself guy
with no training in welding. That said, I have a Stick Welder, Acetylene and
a MIG. I don't have any experience with a TIG but I consider the MIG a great
all around welder for a guy like me. I have worked on cars, built and
repaired go carts, minibikes and I just finished building a utility trailer
with no difficulty. I have welded thin mower decks and heavy wall tube with
no difficulty.
Clyde Barcus
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 9:34 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
>
> All-
> While some HF tools are a good deal, I haven't received any =
> recommendations for their welders. Considering the Lincoln my uncle is =
> lending me is 35 years old and still works fine, looks like I'll go with =
> either Lincoln or Miller.
> I'm very comfortable with a stick welder, but realize it's =
> yesterday's technology. The more options, the more outlay.=20
> To help me narrow my choices:
> 1. What are the specific advantages to MIG and TIG, and how often =
> can I expect to have to use them? If I only need the features once or =
> twice, I'd be money ahead to contract those welds out instead of buying =
> more welder than I need.
> 2. Welding rods are expensive, and the last couple inches of each =
> are unusable. It makes sense from this standpoint to have continuous =
> feed, but what is the relative expense of a spool of flux wire?=20
> All input appreciated.
> =
> Bill
> =20
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Mikesell" <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
Me personally, I own a Miller Syncrowave Tig (which also does stick) and a
Miller Mig welder. I bought them several years ago at a place on the
internet at a really great deal and free shipping. Both units cost me around
$1800.00 and I have used both extensively since their purchase for welding
both aluminum and steel without a single problem. Infact I learned to weld
with these and all I can say about Miller is the price is right and the
quality is outstanding.
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-609-8774
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 6:34 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
>
> All-
> While some HF tools are a good deal, I haven't received any =
> recommendations for their welders. Considering the Lincoln my uncle is =
> lending me is 35 years old and still works fine, looks like I'll go with =
> either Lincoln or Miller.
> I'm very comfortable with a stick welder, but realize it's =
> yesterday's technology. The more options, the more outlay.=20
> To help me narrow my choices:
> 1. What are the specific advantages to MIG and TIG, and how often =
> can I expect to have to use them? If I only need the features once or =
> twice, I'd be money ahead to contract those welds out instead of buying =
> more welder than I need.
> 2. Welding rods are expensive, and the last couple inches of each =
> are unusable. It makes sense from this standpoint to have continuous =
> feed, but what is the relative expense of a spool of flux wire?=20
> All input appreciated.
> =
> Bill
> =20
>
>
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| Subject: | Rudder horn Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hudsonmusic1@aol.com
I am building my rudder on the 601 XL from the kit. I may be missing
something but the assembly manual does not mention the rudder horn installation.
Does
anyone have any inflo on this? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Jeff
Hudson
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| Subject: | Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Bill,
If you only want to use a welder for a short time, it might be
advisable to rent one. That way you get first class equipment and
don't even have to find a place to store it in your shop.
Paul
XL wings
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At 06:34 AM 5/29/2006, you wrote:
>All input appreciated.
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting oneself into a corner. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Barthold" <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
Hello Tommy,
the solution I have is just the slightly more elaborate version of Gary's approach.
I found it somewhere here on the list, I think.
You take a cylindrical piece of metal with a center hole big enough for the rivet
stem to go through. Length should not exeed 10mm or your rivet gun will not
grip any more.
You shape one end like the classic ZAC nose piece.
You file an angle on the other end that is tilted out of the rectangular plane
(10 to 15 degrees).
The stem is soft enough to bend the 10 degrees. So you put the device between your
rivet gun and the rivet and start squeezing. the angle will act as a miter.
Maybe one of you native speakers who know what I mean can explain that better :-)
Greetings from Germany
Peter
HDS TD VW
Tailkit done
Wing in progress
www.petersprojekt42.de
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37136#37136
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
All-
Gulp- $1800?=20
I'll rephrase my question- can I get into a reputable MIG/FLUX =
capable welder for around $500, or am I better off sticking with "The =
Stick" Lincoln for around $300? Do they offer a continuous feed Lincoln =
flux welder, and does anyone have a report?
Thanks.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Barthold" <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
Hi Jerome,
one of the main reasons I chose the HDS was the size of the parts. I am alone most
of the building time, so I figured that handling a 3piece wing would be way
easier for a single person than a 2 piece wing. A recent visit at a friends
XL workshop confirmed my opinion.
Second reason, a HDS is (in theoretical numbers) more rugged than a XL (+6g compared
to +4g or so) although very theoretical this will help with my heart frequency
in bumpy German weather ;-)
..took the taildrag just for cosmetic reasons. The one and only thing I hate about
601s is the look of the trigear undercarriage...too short coupled between
nose and mains. I never got to fly a 601TD yet but if it is even half as docile
as the trigear it is more than ok for me.
one more thing: if you consider building from scratch, get the DVD set from HomebuildHelp.com
. Very well invested money, no matter how experienced you are.....just
my opinion of course ;-)
Greetings from Germany
Peter
HDS TD VW
Tailkit done
Wing in progress
www.petersprojekt42.de
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37141#37141
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| Subject: | Rudder Rib #7 and #8 Underfitting in Spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Yes.
William Dominguez
Plansbuilt 601XL
--- Hewett Properties <hewettproperties@cox.net>
wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hewett
> Properties" <hewettproperties@cox.net>
>
> Did you build the spar closed 5.5 degrees?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of William
> Dominguez
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 4:30 PM
> To: Matronics List
> Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Rib #7 and #8
> Underfitting in Spar
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez
>
> --> <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
>
> I have all my rudder parts built as per plans. I did
> a
> test fit clamping the ribs to the spar and rib #7
> and
> #8 (6T4-7 and 6T4-8) are narrower right where it
> meet
> the spar. My rudder spar is within .5 millimeter
> accurate from top to bottom. According to the plans,
> rib #2 is 340 mm and #3 is 590 mm from the
> beginning
> of the doublers, that are 30 mm extended from the
> bottom of the spar.
>
> The width of the spar at the point where rib #2
> should
> be located is 91 mm however, the plans call for rib
> #2
> to be 88 mm in its wide side (projected). Im getting
> exactly 1.5 mm difference in each side between the
> flange of rib #2 and the flange of the spar. For rib
> #3 the difference is 2 mm in each side. I presented
> a
> piece of .016 skin and this difference would be
> noticeable. My rudder spar flange has the correct
> angle. I even presented the ribs in a drawing
> template
> of the spar that is 100% accurate with the plans
> dimensions and still getting this difference.
>
> If I slide up the ribs to the point where they fit
> correctly, #2 would have moved 35 mm and #3 would
> have
> moved 80 mm.
>
> I searched the archives and no one has had this
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| Subject: | Re: HDS twitchy ?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@comcast.net>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
> I have not flown an HDS, but I have seen comments by multiple owners
> suggesting you can't fly one cross country without an autopilot.
>
> In that case we have given you the wong impression...You can fly one
> cross country very easily, its just that it is more tuned to yanking and
> banking rather than flat and level cross coutry.
>
> Frank
+++++ FOR THE RECORD !!!
I totally disagree about "Yanking and Banking". My wife and I flew our HDS 2100
miles down to Sun n Fun and back (with a stop down in Arkansas to visit a friend)
in 2004. The flying characteristics of the HDS (at least this one) are wonderful!
My wife is a pilot as well. She flew our aircraft a considerable part of that trip
and commented several times about how flying our Zodiac was FAR more fun than
flying the Cessna 172 we used to own.
Fred 238 hours Jabiru 3300/ 601 HDS
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| Subject: | Re: this "twitchy" nonsense |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Thread Friends, my XL is twitchy, itchy, witchy, but not bitchy. We flew back
from Savannah yesterday in the early P.M. and though hot it was clear. As I
walked out I looked at the radar and not a cloud all the way to Alabama. I had
planned 4500 for the flight back and in less than 10 minutes after turning on
course big clouds formed right before my eyes. starting at about 5000. I
climbed over them to 6500 and that was okay for another 10 minutes then hugh clouds
formed ahead all the way up to forever. Nothing to do VFR but to get under
them and they were all the way to 3000 by now. So we bounced along dipping and
banging. I had to reduce power and speed to reduce the impact. Poor baby must
have known that this was the last flight before annual because she proved again
the strength of design as I felt like the weakest link in the flying
equation. My poor sweet Wife hung on and encouraged me every time I moaned when
we got
slammed. That was a very long 2.5 hours and I was real happy to bank into
final and touch down. Wet with sweat and numb from the beating, I took a while
to
exit. Joy on the other hand said, "We've flown through much worse weather"
and hopped right out and opened the hanger. Life, flying through it and my
wonderful Wife never stop amazing me. For you fellows who can't seem to get it
in
gear or your butt off the fence you are wasting precious time.
Best to you all, Bill of Georgia
N505WP
601XL-3300 w/ds 74 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
You welcome. Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder horn Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Jeff, You save mounting the horn until you have the fuselage done so you can
mate the two together perfectly. At least that is what Roger told me and that
is what I did. Best regards, Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Mikesell" <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
$1800 is what I paid for both machines, the Tig was the most expensive, I
got my Miller Mig for $200. Both units were reconditioned and had a
warranty. I remember the website it was www.weldingmart.com shop and see
what they have. You can get into a nice new Millermatic for around $500.
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-609-8774
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www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 7:43 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: MIG/TIG
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
>
> All-
> Gulp- $1800?=20
> I'll rephrase my question- can I get into a reputable MIG/FLUX =
> capable welder for around $500, or am I better off sticking with "The =
> Stick" Lincoln for around $300? Do they offer a continuous feed Lincoln =
> flux welder, and does anyone have a report?
> Thanks.
> Bill
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <paulrod36@msn.com>
The thread on welders raises a thought......... About a year ago I bou=
ght a Chinese wire welder from some gypsy tool show that came through.=
(I know, I know, but I did it anyway.) It welds reasonably well, but=
throws a lot of spatter. As a non-welder, and I can absolutely prove=
that statement, I think I've gone through all the possible adjustment=
s to cure the spatter. Anybody have thoughts on what causes and cures =
should be looked at? ............Besides buying a better welder =0D=
=0A=0D=0APaul Rodriguez=0D=0A601XL/Corvair=0D=0AWorking on the canopy=
=0D=0A=
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Ditto to the HBH video. Wish I'd had it earlier
Bill
> one more thing: if you consider building from scratch, get the DVD set
> from HomebuildHelp.com . >
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Dave-
Thank God! Wtih the costs of building my garanger, my bank account can't
take too much more. My son and I just got the 240V, lighting, and outlet
circuits on line- time to eat before the next typhoon. Things are looking
up, even if I do have to go back to work tomorrow to pay for everything!
Can I do everything with the MIG, or will I still need a plain old flux
welder?
Bill
do not
archive
> I
> got my Miller Mig for $200. >>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Bill,
I spent the last 8 years helping the Army decide the particulars you
describe and can recommend
Lincoln over any other weld machine because it's the Rolls of welders,
but it's _expensive_. The
Miller line is well represented and you could do as well with a used
machine like the Synchrowave
which does TIG. I don't think MIG has much going for it if you become
proficient with stick and
TIG. I still use OxyAcetylene for bending things and consider it
indispensable and cheap. The
personal weld machine need not be much above 125 to 150 amps, but a good
name brand will
be worth the cost new or used for obtaining parts. The TIG capability
provided with the big three
names is pretty much a draw in performance as you're never much above 90
amps. MIG is
cheap, but the wire feeder, spools, drive mechanisms, timers, and the
mix of changing parts like
these have become a pain for most who only use it to connect steel parts
and doesn't provide
neat welds unless you really get down with it for a protracted period of
time. By that time, you'll
find the MIG welder you need spools for or the special drivers are no
longer available as spares.
That's why I recommended the Miller EconoTIG or any equal from a good
brand name supplier
and good used machines are always available at 50-60% of new.
You were looking for a welder as a lifetime keeper, you start here. I
think I've used my welder
about 300% more than I'd planned over the past 20-years. I use
Oxyacetylene at least twice
what I'd have guessed over the last 40-years. Don't go too cheap because
it'll pay you back better
than the stock market.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Bill Naumuk wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
>
>All-
> While some HF tools are a good deal, I haven't received any =
>recommendations for their welders. Considering the Lincoln my uncle is =
>lending me is 35 years old and still works fine, looks like I'll go with =
>either Lincoln or Miller.
> I'm very comfortable with a stick welder, but realize it's =
>yesterday's technology. The more options, the more outlay.=20
>To help me narrow my choices:
> 1. What are the specific advantages to MIG and TIG, and how often =
>can I expect to have to use them? If I only need the features once or =
>twice, I'd be money ahead to contract those welds out instead of buying =
>more welder than I need.
> 2. Welding rods are expensive, and the last couple inches of each =
>are unusable. It makes sense from this standpoint to have continuous =
>feed, but what is the relative expense of a spool of flux wire?=20
> All input appreciated.
> =
>Bill
> =20
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
My paid under $500 for my MIG about three years ago, nothing special, I
bought from Sears.
Clyde Barcus
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:43 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: MIG/TIG
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
>
> All-
> Gulp- $1800?=20
> I'll rephrase my question- can I get into a reputable MIG/FLUX =
> capable welder for around $500, or am I better off sticking with "The =
> Stick" Lincoln for around $300? Do they offer a continuous feed Lincoln =
> flux welder, and does anyone have a report?
> Thanks.
> Bill
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | 601 XL Question: How bumpy is the ride? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg <djvdb63@yahoo.com>
Listers...
I have been an infrequent contributer on this list over the past few years. I
have yet to get started on my homebuilding dreams due to life circumstances.
But things are starting to line up for me, and I will have to decide on a project
soon (I am still on the 601XL vs. RV-9A fence, and I do not want to rehash
that whole issue again). Gorgeous summertime weather like we have this weekend
in the upper midwest reminds me, as did Bill Phillip's post, that time is precious
and I need to get going.
All that said, one thing that worries me about the XL is the low wing loading...approximately
9-10 lb/sq ft. at gross weight. I know, of course, that it contributes
to a nice, low stall and landing speed, and translates into relatively
short take-off and landing runs.
But how annoying is it in choppy air? I am interested in the XL as an all around
airplane...and I would probably take it frequently on 300 - 400 mile trips.
I have no interest in the Light Sport aspect of building, and I could opt for
a design with a higher wing loading and higher stall speed if it made it a more
usefull travelling machine. I frequently fly a friend's Beech Debonair.
We find, occasionally, even the Deb to have a choppy ride down low...and I believe
the Deb has a wind loading of 17 or 18 lb/squ ft.
I think I have now read two posts by Bill Phillips commenting on the choppy ride.
I have also read about WW & Guss's Zenvair XL trip to Oshkosh last summer
that was apparently quite unpleasant at times due to turbulence. I have seen
comments on this list from Dave Kubassek in the past regarding the same issue...that
the choppy ride was what he liked least about the XL.
So...could I request comments on this issue from the XL flyers out there? I don't
think a demo flight would solve this for me, since a demo ride would be unlikely
to occur in choppy air.
Thanks.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jsimons2" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
Hi guys,
Thanks for the advice about the 2 DVD set from homebuildhelp.com.
However......................................it should be here tomorrow. Hehe,
I ordered it last week. Figured it would be of use to study before I got in over
my head.
To Ron Butterfield,
Nice to know someone lives that close to me. I see in the phone book you live
on Cornwallis Ct.. We will deffinately have to share ideas once I start building.
I'm still in the prep stages right now, you know, gathering tools, getting
workshop ready, still have to purchase plans, ect.. I'm not too far away.
I live on Carolina Rd. close to Five Points store.
Does anyone know how much can be "stolen" from the XL and used on the HDS. I know
the canopy can be. What about the gear? The spring gear, I would think, would
be lighter and stronger than the traditional HD/HDS gear. Any ideas?
Jerome
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37175#37175
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Question: How bumpy is the ride? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Dan,
I have been studying a friend's RV-9A project and comparing it to my
XL. At 12 lbs/sq.ft. the wing loading on the 9A is only a little
higher than the XL. I suspect both would be impacted a lot by bumpy
air. With either one, I would suggest scheduling your flights for
early morning or night if you don't want any turbulence to mess up
your flight. For sure, any plane will be uncomfortable in the worst
of bumpy air.
I think both planes are fine choices for a home-built all metal
plane. The cost to complete an RV-9A seems to be around twice the
cost of the XL and it gives you 10 or 20 knots speed advantage for
that price. The biggest difference is in the engine choices with the
RV heavily favoring certified Lycoming choices that cost a lot more
than the typical Rotax, Jabiru, or auto conversion used in
Zodiacs. One local RV builder also told me he paid $10,000 just for
his C/S propeller.
The only negative thing I have learned about the RV-9A is its free
castoring nose wheel. That means you need to ride the differential
brakes to keep it pointing down the runway while taking off in a
crosswind. I guess this is not the end of the world, but I think
nose gear steering is a big advantage.
I wish you luck in your future plane building. I think either choice
would be better than sitting around waiting for the perfect decision.
Good luck,
Paul
XL wings
At 10:47 AM 5/29/2006, you wrote:
>I am still on the 601XL vs. RV-9A fence
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | 601 XL g-loading |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Hoskins" <r56c1@netzero.net>
On my 601 XL plans the g-load is rated at +/- 6 g's at 1320 gross weight=
. I mention this because of a earlier post that says it only 4 g's. Want=
to set the record straight.
Ron...
<html><P>On my 601 XL plans the g-load is rated at +/- 6 g's at 1320 gro=
ss weight. I mention this because of a earlier post that says it only 4 =
g's. Want to set the record straight.</P>
<P>Ron...</P></html>
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Jerome,
You have to see that hunk of aluminum to appreciate weight. It
simplifies gear installation, but
adds a lot of weight at the expense of strength to the structure. I
might add, several have done
the conversion, but even more weight is added doing it and you'd never
be able to comply with
Sport Pilot performance with all that extra. I think that the thinner
wing on the XL provides a
little gain in speed, but save the forward tilt canopy, the loss is
carrying capacity and ruggedness.
You should build the XL if you want that gear and speed. It is the
latest model in the Zenith
lineup.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
jsimons2 wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jsimons2" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
>
>Hi guys,
> Thanks for the advice about the 2 DVD set from homebuildhelp.com.
>However......................................it should be here tomorrow. Hehe,
I ordered it last week. Figured it would be of use to study before I got in over
my head.
>
>To Ron Butterfield,
> Nice to know someone lives that close to me. I see in the phone book you
live on Cornwallis Ct.. We will deffinately have to share ideas once I start building.
I'm still in the prep stages right now, you know, gathering tools, getting
workshop ready, still have to purchase plans, ect.. I'm not too far away.
I live on Carolina Rd. close to Five Points store.
>
>Does anyone know how much can be "stolen" from the XL and used on the HDS. I know
the canopy can be. What about the gear? The spring gear, I would think, would
be lighter and stronger than the traditional HD/HDS gear. Any ideas?
>
>Jerome
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37175#37175
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Mileski <mileski@sonalysts.com>
I just installed one in my 701. The wireless GPS with bluetooth Dell Ax=
im PDA are great. There are no more concerns with dead batteries and hav=
ing to reinstall the software with any Windows Mobile 5 PDA. The wirele=
ss operation is great, you can pull the unit out of the mount and hand i=
t to your copilot/passenger and they can check gas prices ahead. All so=
rts of convenience features in that software now, and as the software im=
proves, you upgrade for free as part of your annual subscription. Then t=
he PDAs improve every year or two, and then you upgrade, for a few hundr=
ed dollars, if you have to have the best. Harder to do that with a Garmi=
n. =20
=20
=20
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Question: How bumpy is the ride? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Good question....
I have an XL/Jab 3300. It can be pretty bumpy, particularly when lightly loaded
(i'm 120lbs) I think my XL is great, but I *would* prefer it to be less bumpy.
It yaws quite a bit in turbulence. Its a bumpier ride than the RV's around
here.
My trutrak digitrak autopilot does quite a good job of smoothing it out, but you
still feel it.
If you are concerned, and you have the extra money/time, go with the 9...(or a
7 - doesn't that have a higher wingloading still?).
cheers,
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
--------
Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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| Subject: | Re: bumpy ride?/ autopilot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com>
All---
There has been a lot of water over the dam since I've taken my flying lessons.
As a matter of fact I have only flown with autopilot one time. That was to
experience it only, than my instructor told me to turn it off.
It was a long time ago, but I recall being told to "turn the autopilot off in
turbulence." If I recall correctly it was because it was harder on the airframe.
Feedback please
Fritz ------ Corvair
lgingell <lgingell@matrix-logic.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lgingell"
Good question....
I have an XL/Jab 3300. It can be pretty bumpy, particularly when lightly loaded
(i'm 120lbs) I think my XL is great, but I *would* prefer it to be less bumpy.
It yaws quite a bit in turbulence. Its a bumpier ride than the RV's around here.
My trutrak digitrak autopilot does quite a good job of smoothing it out, but you
still feel it.
If you are concerned, and you have the extra money/time, go with the 9...(or a
7 - doesn't that have a higher wingloading still?).
cheers,
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
--------
Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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| Subject: | Two New Email Lists at Matronics and Wiki Reminder! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I have added two new email Lists to the Matronics Line up today. These include
a Continental engine List and a Lightning aircraft List:
===========
continental-list@matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List
Everything related to the Continental aircraft engine. Sky's the limit on discussions
here.
===========
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lightning-list@matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
This is an exciting new design from Arion Aircraft LLC in Shelbyville Tennessee. Pete Krotje has a very nice web site on the aircraft that can be found here: http://www.arionaircraft.com/
===========
Also, if you haven't checked out the new Matronics Aircraft Wiki, swing by and
have a look. Remember, a Wiki is only as good as the content that the members
put into it. Have a look over some of the sections, and if you've got some interesting
or useful, please add it to the Wiki! Its all about YOU! :-) The
URL for the Matronics Wiki is:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder horn Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <CLEONARD52@comcast.net>
THE RUDDER HORN IS NOT ATTACHED UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO HANG THE RUDDER ON
THE TAIL.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hudsonmusic1@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:12 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder horn Question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hudsonmusic1@aol.com
>
> I am building my rudder on the 601 XL from the kit. I may be missing
> something but the assembly manual does not mention the rudder horn
> installation. Does
> anyone have any inflo on this? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Jeff
> Hudson
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| Subject: | Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED
Hmm-
This is starting to get really interesting. It's easy for me to pass on
MIG for the accessory changeover hassle. The last remaining question is,
what can TIG do that a good stick welder can't? It's starting to look like a
Lincoln 240V AC/DC steel/aluminum stick welder might not be so retro after
all. You'd think someone once sold them door to door around here- every home
shop has one- except mine, unfortunately. Bet I could find a good used one
locally for $200. Unless someone can convince me there's something better
out there, I might even splurge and blow $500 on a new one!
> As far as gas goes, I've been welding with oxy-propane since I was 14.
> Hot enough for anything I've ever run into, and your checkbook doesn't
> scream with pain when the acetylene tank runs dry.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL g-loading |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
That's +/- 6 Gs ultimate load, that means +/- 4 Gs design load with a
1.5 X safety factor.
On May 29, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Ron Hoskins wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Hoskins" <r56c1@netzero.net>
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> On my 601 XL plans the g-load is rated at +/- 6 g's at 1320 gross
> weight=
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> Want=
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> Ron...
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N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | 801: Trimming the Windshield |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Scott <squiggles@yahoo.com>
Hello All...
I am finally getting around to installing the
windshield on my 801. The instructions(
http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/data/windows.pdf )
specify no trimming on the front is necessary.
However, when the front is position behind the
firewall rivet line, the top of the windshield in 1.5"
above the top of the cabin frame. Is this typically
where it starts out at? And by simply trimming around
the forward wind attachment pickup it magicallly falls
into place?
I would be appreciative to any photos other 801
builders might have when they were working on trimming
their windshields.
Thanx...
-Scott
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com
I am building an XL and am curious about wiring from the wings. I have seen
on various web sites, the use of terminal blocks in the fuselage. I have left
enough wire (I think) to reach the instrument panel. Is it better to run the
wiring unbroken from the "user" to the switch, or is it better to use
terminal blocks (and why)?
Thanks in advance - Jay in Dallas working on fuselage.
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| Subject: | Drilling landing gear |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gdascomb@aol.com
I just finished drilling the landing gear for the brakes & axles on my 701
and the job was a snap using the axle drill guide from Travis Kobush. If you
have yet to drill your 3/4" 6061-T6 gear...do yourself a favor and get this
tool. $15.00. Sure would be a shame to mess up that big ole piece of aluminum.
While you're at it get the bungee installation tool too. $49.95 and save
some shipping.
_travis@kobushweldingandmachining.com_
(mailto:travis@kobushweldingandmachining.com)
George
701 Controls to go
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| Subject: | Re: 801: Trimming the Windshield |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
If I remember correctly I had to take off about 13/16" along the bottom =
of the windshield to get it to fit perfectly. I saw where it said no tri=
mming required and I fought that for a day or so till I realized the win=
dshield would never fit right as it came from ZAC without cutting some o=
ff. One thing several us have done too was to fabricate a trim strip out=
of aluminum to fair in the leading edge of the windshield. The way Zeni=
th wanted was to lay a bead of silicone sealant and bed the thing. That=
sounded very bogus to me....
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Scott <squiggles@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Scott <squiggles@yahoo.com>
Hello All...
I am finally getting around to installing the
windshield on my 801. The instructions(
http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/data/windows.pdf )
specify no trimming on the front is necessary. =
However, when the front is position behind the
firewall rivet line, the top of the windshield in 1.5"
above the top of the cabin frame. Is this typically
where it starts out at? And by simply trimming around
the forward wind attachment pickup it magicallly falls
into place?
I would be appreciative to any photos other 801
builders might have when they were working on trimming
their windshields.
Thanx...
-Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jsimons2" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
Larry,
Don't really want the extra weight. I really thought that it would weigh less
that the standard HD/HDS gear. Maybe gear and wheel fairings would be better
in this instance. Just trying to think of ways to cut down on drag before I
get started actually building. Maybe I should get the plans first and then start
with the "what ifs" after I've reviewed them. [Embarassed] Appreciate your
point of view.
Jerome
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37316#37316
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| Subject: | Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Bill:
Perhaps my experience can be of use to you. I read
all the emails about the MIG/TIG/Oxy-Acet welding and
didn't see anything about welding thin 4130 (airplane
parts). I'm familiar with all three of these types of
welding and each has it's place. For all of the
welded items I have built for my 601XL, the MIG I
have is useless. I sold my stick welder long ago for
the same reason. I was able to use it to tack a few
parts, but for all of the other welding on my airplane
I used oxy/acet. TIG would have done the job but I
didn't want to spend the money at the time.(I will be
upgrading after this project). You can do a very good
job on all the parts for a Zenith aircraft with
gas-welding.
The problem with the low-end MIG welders is that they
don't have enough adjustment for thin 4130. A low-end
arc-welder (stick) would be useless as well for the
same reason.
If you want to build airplane parts, the gas-welder is
a great choice. Buy a MECO midget torch kit from
tinmantech.com for a good start. TIG is a good choice
but pricey. I just didn't want you to buy a $300 MIG
(wire feed) welder or arc welder and expect to weld
your engine mount or flap controls.
Today I welded up a flag pole holder in a few minutes
with my cheap MIG welder. If you want to build flag
pole holders, then go to Lowes or Harbor Freight and
buy a MIG or stick welder.
Have a good day,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Welding Exhaust Manifolds (with gas)
--- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Running the wires unbroken from the wings to the control panel would imply
that you do the final wiring behind the control panel when the wings are on
(presumably at the airport). And that you will cut the wiring (and add a
connector I guess) if you ever remove the wings. I agree that having no
connector is more reliable than a connector of any type. But I can't make
the assumptions above. So I'm putting in the connector pairs from the start.
BTW: a good quality pair of mating connectors would be better than a
terminal block. No screws to come loose and you can protect the whole joint
with large heat-shrink tubing.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Jerome,
As usual, Larry Mac is correct. The aluminum
spring gear is much heavier than the HDS bungee gear.
The XL gear comes in at 43 lbs. I built a slightly
smaller spring gear for my HDS that came in at under
28 lbs, but even that is heavier than the bungee gear
by a decent margin. It did, however, simplify the
installation, give me more prop clearance, eliminates
the future need for replacing bungees, and looks
better (Opinion). The difference between the Subaru
and the Corvair would just about absorb the weight
difference. I posted a few days ago about other
modifications I extracted directly from the XL plans.
R/
Brandon
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 HDS and Corvair engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff " <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Does anyone know how much can be "stolen" from the XL and used on the HDS. I
know the canopy can be. What about the gear? The spring gear, I would think,
would be lighter and stronger than the traditional HD/HDS gear. Any ideas?
Jerome
I built my firewall on the 601 HD using the heavier XL parts for the shelf,
center channel gussets, horizontal U channel on the back, etc. I have the
XL canopy too which means that my instrument panel is shaped like the XL
panel. It is a little less wide than the original HD/HDS panel.
Jeff Davidson
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| Subject: | Re: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Mikesell" <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
I think most Tig's also are stick, I know mine is. Mig starts cold and ends
cold. Tig starts hot and ends hot so the welds are nicer, more control than
a Mig. It is really like gas welding, I found it pretty easy to pick up.
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-609-8774
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED
> Hmm-
> This is starting to get really interesting. It's easy for me to pass
on
> MIG for the accessory changeover hassle. The last remaining question is,
> what can TIG do that a good stick welder can't? It's starting to look like
a
> Lincoln 240V AC/DC steel/aluminum stick welder might not be so retro after
> all. You'd think someone once sold them door to door around here- every
home
> shop has one- except mine, unfortunately. Bet I could find a good used one
> locally for $200. Unless someone can convince me there's something better
> out there, I might even splurge and blow $500 on a new one!
> > As far as gas goes, I've been welding with oxy-propane since I was 14.
> > Hot enough for anything I've ever run into, and your checkbook doesn't
> > scream with pain when the acetylene tank runs dry.
>
>
> Bill
> do not
> archive
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| From: | "sales@steelframe" <sales@steelframe.com.au> |
| Subject: | Zenith list In Cowl Radiators |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "sales@steelframe" <sales@steelframe.com.au>
Does anyone have Photos of in cowl radiators installed in a 601
with Subaru engine, any details would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Ron Saarinen
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