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1. 03:43 AM - Re: XL spring gearXL spring gear (norman)
2. 04:28 AM - Re: XL spring gear. (Noel Loveys)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: XL spring gearXL spring gear (cgalley)
4. 08:25 AM - Re: Cordless Drill (Edward Moody II)
5. 09:45 AM - Re: Ecofly Engines (Michael Valentine)
6. 10:01 AM - test chet (Randy)
7. 10:02 AM - Cordless drill outcome (Bill Naumuk)
8. 10:15 AM - Lycoming O-235 firewall forward (chetkru@aol.com)
9. 03:54 PM - Fw: Cordless Drill (cgalley)
10. 04:55 PM - List Enclosure Support (Matt Dralle)
11. 10:04 PM - Re: Looking for 601XL (Ron Pizer)
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| Subject: | Re: XL spring gearXL spring gear |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "norman" <normskiroo@ukonline.co.uk>
Cy, not strictly true, my XL was the first on the PFA register last year =
and although the test pilot was selected by the PFA there was no charge =
to me.
Any XL's being registered afterwards do not have to have the PFA test =
pilot but a test pilot the owner can select, the test pilot however has =
fill in a few forms and gain PFA approval.
Hope this clears things up.
Norman Butcher CH601 XL G-DONT England
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
It's also possible the mechanic wanted to go to make sure all repairs and
service were adequately addressed.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary Gower
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 4:19 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL spring gear.
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Here is a little bit more simple:
>
> You build it? ..... You fly it! :-) or get a test pilot.
>
> There was a bush pilot here (some years ago), a good friend
> of my father. That went a little farther.
> He had a real beautiful Cessna 195. Everytime he had his
> plane serviced. He always flew with the mechanic the test
> flights... I think his best waranty of a well made repair :-)
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
> Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
>
> cgalley <cgalley@qcbc.org> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley"
>
> It is even more restrictive than the message below indicates.
> After plane
> is finished, it is inspected by the PFA, and then you must
> pay a PFA test
> pilot to do the test flying it before you can begin to fly it. Any
> structural repairs must be approved by the PFA. There are
> probably more, but
> we are blessed (or cursed) with less restrictive regulations.
>
> Cy Galley
> EAA Safety Programs Editor
> Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hunt Malcolm"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 6:13 AM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XL spring gear
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm"
> >
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Firstly all homebuilt aircraft in the UK must be to an
> approved design
> > by the Popular Flying Association (PFA) who act for the
> Civil Aviation
> > Authority (CAA) and will ultimately issue a Permit to Fly.
> >
> > No changes to the certified design can be made without PFA
> approval and
> > the design certified by the PFA is for the CH601XL model is
> with CZAW
> > modifications which includes the composite main gear.
> >
> > This gear is two composite legs housed in 4130n steel
> chambers and with
> > modified part 6B11-4; there are also small changes to the transverse
> > gear channel.
> >
> > I suspect the change in weight is close to the mid-range of
> the c of g
> > but obviously no problems in this direction as aircraft
> certified and
> > flying.
> >
> > Sorry if this is a bit long winded!
> >
> > Malcolm
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> > Mulwitz
> > Sent: 02 June 2006 11:37
> > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XL spring gear
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> >
>
> >
> > Malcolm,
> >
> > First let me apologize for answering a question with a
> > question. Alas, I don't have any answers on this one.
> >
> > My question is: How does changing from a heavy piece of metal to a
> > (presumably) lighter piece of fiberglass impact the weight and
> > balance of the airplane? Is it necessary to position the landing
> > gear in a different location?
> >
> > Also, do you know why you must use the composite gear in the UK?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Paul
> > XL wings
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >>I have just ordered the composite legs (mandatory in UK)
> from CZAW and
> >>these cost 867 USD including shipping and tax (19%) which
> is just for
> >>the legs with no fittings whatsoever.
> >>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL spring gearXL spring gear |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Guess I was misinformed. Thanks for clearing that up.
How about structural repairs? How are they handled?
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "norman" <normskiroo@ukonline.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL spring gearXL spring gear
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "norman" <normskiroo@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Cy, not strictly true, my XL was the first on the PFA register last year =
> and although the test pilot was selected by the PFA there was no charge =
> to me.
> Any XL's being registered afterwards do not have to have the PFA test =
> pilot but a test pilot the owner can select, the test pilot however has =
> fill in a few forms and gain PFA approval.
>
> Hope this clears things up.
>
> Norman Butcher CH601 XL G-DONT England
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cordless Drill |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
My humble and widely ignored opinion only......
I got tired of the rip off of paying more for a replacement batterey than
the entire drill, charger and two batteries cost originally. I decided to
get some commonality working in my favor. I bought a Dewalt 1/2" 18 volt
drill with 2 batteries and a charger. Then I saw a package deal on six
Dewalt tools plus 2 more batteries and another charger that included a mail
in offer for one more tool of my choice. Then I picked up a couple more
tools individually later on, all of which use the same 18 volt extended life
batteries. I now have virtually all the cordless tools I want, plus six
batteries and two chargers so that I'm never down, even on a big project.
The batteries are pricey but not robbery and are perpetually available
online on Ebay and elsewhwere. Cordless drills offer slow speed ranges that
are nice for some airplane building operations, the 1/2" drills have plenty
enough torque and they don't gobble up a lot of SCFM fom a small air
compressor that runs the chip blower and rivet gun satisfactorily.
If you believe that you will continue to be able to buy batteries for the
Chinese tools, go for it. I like the Dewalt tools.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / wings
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
>
> All-
> The cordless drill that my wife paid way too much for a Christmas =
> present many years ago died tonight. Miserable POS only drilled around =
> 3000 holes and drove around 500 screws.
> No one has a replacement on sale other than HF. 18v with 2 batteries =
> for less than $30. Didn't want to buy Chinese, then I looked at the =
> labels on my Sears. You guessed it.
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| Subject: | Re: Ecofly Engines |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
I saw that too - very curious. I would agree that it can't mean an
aerodynamic stall as that should virtually no effect on the engine.
It is probably not suitable for aerobatics, but are any of the engines
commonly used in a 601?
Michael
do not archive
On 6/3/06, Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> I was reading through the Ecofly/Smart engine's manual and found this:
>
> <quote>
> 3. Operating limits"
> ...
> Note that the engine in completely unsuited for aerobatic manoeuvres! Do not
> conduct stall exercises!
> <end quote>
>
> Surely they mean "spin exercises"? Otherwise isn't that a rather severe
> restriction?
>
> -- Craig
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy <n4546v@mindspring.com>
test chet
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| Subject: | Cordless drill outcome |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
All-
It's sad when my cynical tongue in cheek observations turn out to be =
right on the money. I just returned from 3 hours of shopping for what I =
consider to be the best deal available in our area. This is long, but =
it's worth reading because you can probably empathize-
1. I couldn't find one CORDLESS drill made in the states. Plenty of =
corded, but no cordless. The only drill offered that wasn't made in =
China was the DeWalt, which is made in Mexico. Considering the DeWalt =
came from the home of craftsmen like Gary Gower, I would now own a =
DeWalt if it weren't for the fact that it had a lower torque spec, twice =
the charging time, and nowhere near the warranty.
2. If the US is morphing into a service economy, we're in big =
trouble. I originally picked out a different model from a different =
vendor and placed my choice on the (Unattended) checkout line. I waited =
for a good 5 minutes, coughing frequently, pulling my credit card out =
and throwing it on the counter, etc. Several sales people glanced my =
way, then turned around and continued talking to whoever it was they =
were talking to.=20
Finally, a salesman came out of the back room to the register and =
wanted to know what I wanted. I told him I'd made my choice- run my card =
and I'm out of here.=20
His reply was that they were busy, he'd only come up to look up a =
price for someone else and I'd have to wait.=20
I figured that if that was the type of treatment I get trying to =
SPEND my money, imagine what kind of treatment I'd get trying to get =
service! Needless to say, I went elsewhere.
3. My final decision was based on specs and warranty rather than (As =
you will soon find out) price.=20
After comparing Ryobi, Craftsman, Makita, B+D, Skil, DeWalt, and =
Milwaukee, (Among a half dozen no-name brands) I came across Ridgid. The =
hook is they're offering a lifetime warranty on everything including =
batteries as part of the original purchase price. In addition, they have =
the fastest recharge time of any brand I looked at (20-30 minutes) and =
the highest torque. The salesman said that I had to have two sales slips =
made out and pick up a registration form from the cashier.
Refer to (2). I get to the checkout, and they try to sell me an =
extended warranty. I told them what the salesman said about the lifetime =
warranty and they were clueless. I told them that if I didn't get the =
lifetime warranty, I didn't want the drill. We don't know what you're =
talking about, yada, yada, yada. When the cash register opened after the =
guy BEHIND me makes his transaction, guess what's in the till!
On the way home it occured to me that the drill I just bought had a =
1/2" chuck and probably wouldn't take drills less than 1/8". I'm driving =
through the gamelands and spook up a couple of eagles- I think they were =
Ospreys. I have a superstition that seeing big birds is a good luck =
omen.=20
Got home and the 1/2" chuck will accept bits down to 1/32. =20
Ridgid model R840011 1/2" chuck cordless drill w/2 batteries, 1/2 =
hour charger, carrying bag, 3 year regular and lifetime limited =
warranty, including batteries- $189.95 at Bone Depot.=20
Wow, my battery's already charged! Back to work on the garanger. =
Good building!
Bill
do not archive?
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| Subject: | Lycoming O-235 firewall forward |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: chetkru@aol.com
Dear List:
I would like to find information regarding installing a Lycoming O-235 firewall
forward on my 601XL. If anyone could steer me to information and sources of
the necessary parts, less engine & accessories, I would appreciate the info.
Chet Kruleski, Las Vegas, NV N929RS
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> If you believe that you will continue to be able to buy batteries for the
> Chinese tools, go for it. I like the Dewalt tools.
>
> Ed Moody II
> Rayne, LA
> 601XL / wings
Think you'd better open up your DeWalt Batteries. Most of the cells will be
Pansonic or some other battery cell from the eastern rim... probably China.
One can either go to a place like Batteries Plus and have them replaced or
Harbor Freight where they are currently $9.95. Your DeWalt will probably
bounce better than the HF models. That is their big advantage.
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| Subject: | List Enclosure Support |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Over the years, I have resisted the urge to enable enclosure support on the Matronics
Lists for a number of reasons relating to performance, capacity, capability,
and security. However, its now 2006 and most everyone using email these
days is on an email client that, at some level, supports the viewing and handling
of enclosures. I get a fair amount of email each month from people on the
various Lists asking why their posts of this or that picture didn't go through.
Back quite a while ago by popular request, I enabled enclosure support for a few
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my fears, there really hasn't been any significant issues on these Lists relating
to the advent of enclosure support and for the most part, members have policed
themselves well with respect to the size of things they have posted.
Having enclosures enabled on some Lists and not others has given me a fair amount
of headaches with respect to filtering messages and content since the formats
are often quite different between a typical MIME encoded message and a generic
plain-text message. The spammers are getting more cleaver all the time and
are constantly trying to thwart my best efforts at keeping them from posting
to the Lists.
So, for these reasons, I've have decided to go ahead and enable limited enclosure
posting on all of the email Lists at Matronics. This will not only increase
the utility of the Lists, but will afford me a better opportunity to filter
out the chaff.
Here are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists:
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| Subject: | Looking for 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Pizer" <rjp@pizer.org>
Hi Doug, I have a Czech built CH601XL one for sale in Sacramento CA. 150
hours fully loaded and fly's good. The owner could not get a sport pilot
license because he lost his medical. $ 59,500 Ron 775-240-5378 do not
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Moellering
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Looking for 601XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Moellering"
<dfmoeller@austin.rr.com>
Hello everybody. Great list. First time poster here. I am looking to buy
a low time 601XL that has already been through its flight test program. I
want to use it to obtain my sport pilot ticket. If you have one, or know of
one, for sale, clue me in.
thanks,
Doug Moellering
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