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1. 03:54 AM - ASI Markings and Manual (Jonathan Starke)
2. 06:50 AM - Re: Ecofly Engines (Thilo Kind)
3. 08:58 AM - Re: Looking for 601XL (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
4. 09:31 AM - Drills and wiring (Bill Naumuk)
5. 09:46 AM - Re: Drills and wiring (CH701)
6. 10:10 AM - Test new picture format (Tommy Walker)
7. 10:28 AM - Re: Test new picture format (kevinbonds)
8. 02:33 PM - Re: Test new picture format (Bill Naumuk)
9. 02:33 PM - Re: Drills and wiring (Bill Naumuk)
10. 03:03 PM - Re: Drills and wiring (Bryan Martin)
11. 05:39 PM - Re: 801: Trimming the Windshield (Scott)
12. 08:11 PM - 601XL Back and Gut Saving Device (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
13. 09:15 PM - Re: 601XL Back and Gut Saving Device (Jack Russell)
14. 09:41 PM - Re: 601XL Back and Gut Saving Device (john H)
15. 09:43 PM - Once, a bad spring; now: this year's spring brings flight! (Jon Croke)
16. 11:41 PM - Re: {Spam?} Once, a bad spring; now: this year's spring brings flight! ()
17. 11:41 PM - Re: Once, a bad spring; now: this year's spring brings flight! ()
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| Subject: | ASI Markings and Manual |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke" <jonathan@entry.co.za>
Hi All Listers,
Does anyone have the standard markings (Numbers) for Zodiac XL including max
flap ext speed etc. I have a new ASI and would like to mark it accurately. (in
mph), white green yellow and red arcs.
Second question, does anyone have a complete flight manual for the XL, with a
912S installed? It would save me a lot of hassle compiling my own.
Thnx all,
Jonathan Starke
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| Subject: | Re: Ecofly Engines |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Folks,
I just read the operation manual as well. The English version indeed states
'no stalls'. Since I'm fluent in German, I checked their German version,
too. The German version states ' no repeated stalls': Interesting to note,
that even in the German version they use the English word 'stall' and not
the equivalent German word.
Otherwise looks like a very interesting engine for the Zodiac.
Best regards
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ecofly Engines
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine"
<mgvalentine@gmail.com>
>
> I saw that too - very curious. I would agree that it can't mean an
> aerodynamic stall as that should virtually no effect on the engine.
> It is probably not suitable for aerobatics, but are any of the engines
> commonly used in a 601?
>
> Michael
>
> do not archive
>
> On 6/3/06, Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
<craig@craigandjean.com>
> >
> > I was reading through the Ecofly/Smart engine's manual and found this:
> >
> > <quote>
> > 3. Operating limits"
> > ...
> > Note that the engine in completely unsuited for aerobatic manoeuvres! Do
not
> > conduct stall exercises!
> > <end quote>
> >
> > Surely they mean "spin exercises"? Otherwise isn't that a rather severe
> > restriction?
> >
> > -- Craig
> >
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| Subject: | Looking for 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Gee...Makes my 601 HDS (Sport pilot compliant) look like qite a bargain
at 24k then....:)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Pizer
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 10:00 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Looking for 601XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Pizer" <rjp@pizer.org>
Hi Doug, I have a Czech built CH601XL one for sale in Sacramento CA. 150
hours fully loaded and fly's good. The owner could not get a sport pilot
license because he lost his medical. $ 59,500 Ron 775-240-5378 do not
archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug
Moellering
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Looking for 601XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Moellering"
<dfmoeller@austin.rr.com>
Hello everybody. Great list. First time poster here. I am looking to
buy a low time 601XL that has already been through its flight test
program. I want to use it to obtain my sport pilot ticket. If you have
one, or know of
one, for sale, clue me in.
thanks,
Doug Moellering
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| Subject: | Drills and wiring |
All-
The second battery pack was no good from the get-go. Wouldn't
charge.
So, another trip to Home Depot to exchange for a new drill. I told
them I'd give the Ridgid one more chance, but even if I did have a
lifetime warranty, I couldn't keep blowing half my weekend returning
drills instead of using them. Any more problems and I'm still in the
market for something reliable.
I did get to install a couple of shop light circuits with the good
battery, and the drill performance (Compared to my old Craftsman) is
awesome. Hope there are no more problems. Update- both packs charged
this time.
Incidentally, I looked for the models recommended by listers, but
there are no local stores that handle them. As always, thanks for the
input.
Question for the electricians out there- My big power tools are a
drill press, metal band saw, table saw, and belt/disc sander. I plan on
adding a wood band saw and Lincoln 240V stick welder down the line.
I installed a sub breaker panel from the main and have a 30A 240V
circuit for the welder, 2-20A GFCI protected outlet circuits, and a 20A
lighting circuit all connected with 12/2 w/ground. Outlets are double
gang every 4', and 4' shop lights are every 6'. Can I quit now? I have
space in the main box left for 1-30A 240 or 2-15A 120 breakers if need
be.
Please say I'm done! The price of Romex has gone up .30/ft in the
past two weeks!!!!
Bill
do not archive
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| Subject: | Drills and wiring |
Bill,
30A for the welder sounds kind of light - I have a 50A circuit for mine...
Todd
Do Not Archive
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:30 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Drills and wiring
All-
The second battery pack was no good from the get-go. Wouldn't charge.
So, another trip to Home Depot to exchange for a new drill. I told them
I'd give the Ridgid one more chance, but even if I did have a lifetime
warranty, I couldn't keep blowing half my weekend returning drills instead
of using them. Any more problems and I'm still in the market for something
reliable.
I did get to install a couple of shop light circuits with the good
battery, and the drill performance (Compared to my old Craftsman) is
awesome. Hope there are no more problems. Update- both packs charged this
time.
Incidentally, I looked for the models recommended by listers, but there
are no local stores that handle them. As always, thanks for the input.
Question for the electricians out there- My big power tools are a drill
press, metal band saw, table saw, and belt/disc sander. I plan on adding a
wood band saw and Lincoln 240V stick welder down the line.
I installed a sub breaker panel from the main and have a 30A 240V
circuit for the welder, 2-20A GFCI protected outlet circuits, and a 20A
lighting circuit all connected with 12/2 w/ground. Outlets are double gang
every 4', and 4' shop lights are every 6'. Can I quit now? I have space in
the main box left for 1-30A 240 or 2-15A 120 breakers if need be.
Please say I'm done! The price of Romex has gone up .30/ft in the past
two weeks!!!!
Bill
do not archive
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| Subject: | Test new picture format |
Just testing....
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| Subject: | Test new picture format |
Got it. I suggest everyone use a web browser if prompted to "select a
program to open this file".
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Walker
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:08 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Test new picture format
Just testing....
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Test new picture format |
No problem opening with IE6 and XP.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Tommy Walker
To: Zenith-List@Matronics. Com
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Test new picture format
Just testing....
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Drills and wiring |
Todd-
Depends on the welder. Just talked to my uncle, who owns the same
basic model as I'm considering. He does it on a 20A circuit.
New drill doesn't seem as fast as the last on the first battery.
I'll swap them and see if there's a difference.
Don't you love the price of Romex!? Should have bought copper
futures!
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: CH701
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Drills and wiring
Bill,
30A for the welder sounds kind of light - I have a 50A circuit for
mine...
Todd
Do Not Archive
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:30 AM
To: zenith list
Subject: Zenith-List: Drills and wiring
All-
The second battery pack was no good from the get-go. Wouldn't
charge.
So, another trip to Home Depot to exchange for a new drill. I told
them I'd give the Ridgid one more chance, but even if I did have a
lifetime warranty, I couldn't keep blowing half my weekend returning
drills instead of using them. Any more problems and I'm still in the
market for something reliable.
I did get to install a couple of shop light circuits with the good
battery, and the drill performance (Compared to my old Craftsman) is
awesome. Hope there are no more problems. Update- both packs charged
this time.
Incidentally, I looked for the models recommended by listers, but
there are no local stores that handle them. As always, thanks for the
input.
Question for the electricians out there- My big power tools are a
drill press, metal band saw, table saw, and belt/disc sander. I plan on
adding a wood band saw and Lincoln 240V stick welder down the line.
I installed a sub breaker panel from the main and have a 30A 240V
circuit for the welder, 2-20A GFCI protected outlet circuits, and a 20A
lighting circuit all connected with 12/2 w/ground. Outlets are double
gang every 4', and 4' shop lights are every 6'. Can I quit now? I have
space in the main box left for 1-30A 240 or 2-15A 120 breakers if need
be.
Please say I'm done! The price of Romex has gone up .30/ft in the
past two weeks!!!!
Bill
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Drills and wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
You don't have that 30A welder circuit wired with 12 gauge wire do
you? It should be wired with 10 gauge wire. Other than that your
setup looks good as long as you're not going to be running multiple
loads simultaneously on the same circuit.
On Jun 4, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
> I installed a sub breaker panel from the main and have a 30A
> 240V circuit for the welder, 2-20A GFCI protected outlet circuits,
> and a 20A lighting circuit all connected with 12/2 w/ground.
> Outlets are double gang every 4', and 4' shop lights are every 6'.
> Can I quit now? I have space in the main box left for 1-30A 240 or
> 2-15A 120 breakers if need be.
> Please say I'm done! The price of Romex has gone up .30/ft in
> the past two weeks!!!!
>
> Bill
> do not archive
>
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: 801: Trimming the Windshield |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Scott <squiggles@yahoo.com>
Thx for the info Ben and Gary...
Well, I carved out by the forward wing mounts. But,
of course I am still 1/8" hanging over the firwall at
the top centerline.
When you trimmed the front of your windshields. How
far left/right of the centerline did you trim? It
looks like 330mm or so left and right of the
centerline will produce the desired results?
Any help is appreciated...
Thx...
-Scott
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| Subject: | 601XL Back and Gut Saving Device |
Dear Thread Friends, I am in the process of removing the rudder peddles and
master cylinders to retro fit right side brake peddles and a parking brake. For
all you full grown fellows, meaning 200 pounds plus, if you have not yet
tried to get something accomplished behind the instrument panel or down near the
back of the firewall, you don't know the contortion and pain of standing on you
head, face up or down that I've been going through. Not any more! I built two
plywood covers, hooked front and rear that cover the seats and your can lay
on them to get under the dash. Works great and I can't believe how much more
effective my work is when I can breath and not constantly groan in pain. I may
even add a cup (bottle) holder. Anybody want a photo let me know.
Best to you all, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Back and Gut Saving Device |
Anybody want a photo let me know.
Best to you all, Bill of Georgia
sure would bill. thanks Jack
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| Subject: | 601XL Back and Gut Saving Device |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
Hi Bill
How about attaching the pic to the message and send to the list. If you
can't I'd like a pic
John
>From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Back and Gut Saving Device
>Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:07:27 EDT
>
>Dear Thread Friends, I am in the process of removing the rudder peddles and
>master cylinders to retro fit right side brake peddles and a parking brake.
>For
>all you full grown fellows, meaning 200 pounds plus, if you have not yet
>tried to get something accomplished behind the instrument panel or down
>near the
>back of the firewall, you don't know the contortion and pain of standing on
>you
>head, face up or down that I've been going through. Not any more! I built
>two
>plywood covers, hooked front and rear that cover the seats and your can lay
>on them to get under the dash. Works great and I can't believe how much
>more
>effective my work is when I can breath and not constantly groan in pain. I
>may
>even add a cup (bottle) holder. Anybody want a photo let me know.
>Best to you all, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Once, a bad spring; now: this year's spring brings flight! |
It finally flew!
N701US, in its second incarnation (a weak, unauthorized Rotax Carb
spring brought down the original 701 of this N number) made its maiden
voyage after about 2.5 years of building. This was a mostly scratch
built 701, built on an economy budget (the first plane and engine were a
total financial loss).
I have a 1000' grass runway on my propery... with trees at both ends....
so I had but one chance to apply full power and hope that this metal
contraption would leave the earth, climb over the trees and actually
FLY... such faith we put in ourselves, the designer, and the hope that
we attached all the components properly (right side up).... that our
workbenches were flat enough... that rivet edge distances were more or
less adhered to.....
I have 2 hours of flight and many touch and goes to attest that a rather
average builder - with a simple workbench that was never leveled to the
perfection explained by many of our readers here... can in fact build a
plane that flies the first time... straight and level.... and can be
landed easily with no special training... and it IS a BLAST to fly! I
swear this plane leaps off the ground at about 25mph indicated... even
tho that is not accurate, it still is relatively close enough to say
that this is STOL!
Due to my economic restrictions, I also learned that there are a few
things that do NOT affect the ability to have a safe, fun plane.... No
PAINT... it still flies great without paint! I notice no difference in
its performance or handling without paint...saved a bundle in $$ (just
didnt have it to spend) AND saved me a lot of time! No DOORS.... open
cockpit... GREAT view... a little windy... but it will be summer.... I
will build some doors but they are not needed to fly! No fancy
gauges... just the basics...for the type of flying I do they are just
fine!
My first 701 was a kit (the one that died in the trees...) The second
was mostly scratch (a few components purchased to save time)... My
observations on kit vs scratch: ... because I have just shade tree
mechanical skills, many of my own fabricated parts were not of the
precision of those that come with the kit... hard to to get the size
tolerances just right when you do it yourself the first time.... so it
is not a 'show' plane... but it is mechanically safe (I hope!) and it
flies just fine even with all of the little innacuracies and edge
ripples, etc, etc... and it took a LOT longer to build when you have to
make the parts..... and BTW... I used .020 for all the skins instead of
.016 and it ended up weighing about 30lbs more...(but I lost 15 lbs over
the last year)...
Truly could not have accomplished this feet w/o the aid of this
Zenith-List.... (thank you!)
Now if I can keep this thing in the sky and out of the trees..
Jon
the aluminum butcher of Brussels (Brussels, Wisconsin)
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| Subject: | Re: Once, a bad spring; now: this year's spring |
brings flight!
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <joeing701@internet.is>
Hello John.
Congratulations on your completion and first flight of 701 #2. It is a major
accomplishment to have the patient to finish two planes, like you have done.
Regarding the rough engine, I would start with the spark plugs and wires if
they are ok, then do the
sincronising (spelling) of the carbs.
Have fun with your new plane.
Best wishes,
Johann G.
Iceland.
Z701. Joeing701
> It finally flew!
> N701US, in its second incarnation (a weak, unauthorized Rotax Carb spring
> brought down the original 701 of this N number) made its maiden voyage after
> about 2.5 years of building. This was a mostly scratch built 701, built on
> an economy budget (the first plane and engine were a total financial loss).
>
> I have a 1000' grass runway on my propery... with trees at both ends.... so I
> had but one chance to apply full power and hope that this metal contraption
> would leave the earth, climb over the trees and actually FLY... such faith we
> put in ourselves, the designer, and the hope that we attached all the
> components properly (right side up).... that our workbenches were flat
> enough... that rivet edge distances were more or less adhered to.....
>
> I have 2 hours of flight and many touch and goes to attest that a rather
> average builder - with a simple workbench that was never leveled to the
> perfection explained by many of our readers here... can in fact build a plane
> that flies the first time... straight and level.... and can be landed easily
> with no special training... and it IS a BLAST to fly! I swear this plane
> leaps off the ground at about 25mph indicated... even tho that is not
> accurate, it still is relatively close enough to say that this is STOL!
>
> Due to my economic restrictions, I also learned that there are a few things
> that do NOT affect the ability to have a safe, fun plane.... No PAINT... it
> still flies great without paint! I notice no difference in its performance
> or handling without paint...saved a bundle in $$ (just didnt have it to
> spend) AND saved me a lot of time! No DOORS.... open cockpit... GREAT
> view... a little windy... but it will be summer.... I will build some doors
> but they are not needed to fly! No fancy gauges... just the basics...for the
> type of flying I do they are just fine!
>
> My first 701 was a kit (the one that died in the trees...) The second was
> mostly scratch (a few components purchased to save time)... My observations
> on kit vs scratch: ... because I have just shade tree mechanical skills, many
> of my own fabricated parts were not of the precision of those that come with
> the kit... hard to to get the size tolerances just right when you do it
> yourself the first time.... so it is not a 'show' plane... but it is
> mechanically safe (I hope!) and it flies just fine even with all of the
> little innacuracies and edge ripples, etc, etc... and it took a LOT longer to
> build when you have to make the parts..... and BTW... I used .020 for all the
> skins instead of .016 and it ended up weighing about 30lbs more...(but I lost
> 15 lbs over the last year)...
>
> Truly could not have accomplished this feet w/o the aid of this
> Zenith-List.... (thank you!)
>
> Now if I can keep this thing in the sky and out of the trees..
>
>
> Jon
> the aluminum butcher of Brussels (Brussels, Wisconsin)
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| Subject: | Once, a bad spring; now: this year's spring brings flight! |
Jon
Heartfelt congratulations and a message at least for me = keep it
simple
and my 701 will eventually fly !
best regards
Max
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ext Jon
Croke
Sent: 05 June, 2006 07:43
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Once, a bad spring; now: this year's
spring brings flight!
It finally flew!
N701US, in its second incarnation (a weak, unauthorized Rotax
Carb spring brought down the original 701 of this N number) made its
maiden voyage after about 2.5 years of building. This was a mostly
scratch built 701, built on an economy budget (the first plane and
engine were a total financial loss).
I have a 1000' grass runway on my propery... with trees at both
ends.... so I had but one chance to apply full power and hope that this
metal contraption would leave the earth, climb over the trees and
actually FLY... such faith we put in ourselves, the designer, and the
hope that we attached all the components properly (right side up)....
that our workbenches were flat enough... that rivet edge distances were
more or less adhered to.....
I have 2 hours of flight and many touch and goes to attest that
a rather average builder - with a simple workbench that was never
leveled to the perfection explained by many of our readers here... can
in fact build a plane that flies the first time... straight and
level.... and can be landed easily with no special training... and it IS
a BLAST to fly! I swear this plane leaps off the ground at about 25mph
indicated... even tho that is not accurate, it still is relatively close
enough to say that this is STOL!
Due to my economic restrictions, I also learned that there are a
few things that do NOT affect the ability to have a safe, fun plane....
No PAINT... it still flies great without paint! I notice no difference
in its performance or handling without paint...saved a bundle in $$
(just didnt have it to spend) AND saved me a lot of time! No DOORS....
open cockpit... GREAT view... a little windy... but it will be
summer.... I will build some doors but they are not needed to fly! No
fancy gauges... just the basics...for the type of flying I do they are
just fine!
My first 701 was a kit (the one that died in the trees...) The
second was mostly scratch (a few components purchased to save time)...
My observations on kit vs scratch: ... because I have just shade tree
mechanical skills, many of my own fabricated parts were not of the
precision of those that come with the kit... hard to to get the size
tolerances just right when you do it yourself the first time.... so it
is not a 'show' plane... but it is mechanically safe (I hope!) and it
flies just fine even with all of the little innacuracies and edge
ripples, etc, etc... and it took a LOT longer to build when you have to
make the parts..... and BTW... I used .020 for all the skins instead of
.016 and it ended up weighing about 30lbs more...(but I lost 15 lbs over
the last year)...
Truly could not have accomplished this feet w/o the aid of this
Zenith-List.... (thank you!)
Now if I can keep this thing in the sky and out of the trees..
Jon
the aluminum butcher of Brussels (Brussels, Wisconsin)
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